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The regular season
I don't go by regular season, I go by match ups...
Let me break it down so even you can understand... Take S.A. top offensive threats Parker, Duncan and Lenard, now ask who of those three, or any other player on the floor, would the Heat have to double up on? Parker has a hard time with Cole, Duncan and Bosh is a wash and Lenard is not going to get the best of James...
Now take the Heat top scorers and tell me who is going to guard them one on one... James, Wade, Bosh... James has a big advantage over Lenard {in size as well as skill) Wade would have more freedom with Green than he had vs Indiana and the Bulls, and Bosh and Duncan is a wash...
Next you go to the bench where the Heat players are >> over the Spurs..
So based on match ups, the Heat should have a easier time with the Spurs than Indiana just like they had a easier time with the Thunder than Boston, last year..
There is a certain type of style that bothers the Heat team, however the Spurs don't have the personal to play that style.. While the HEat style is perfect for giving a team like the Spurs problems..
Your bragging about shit that has not even happened..
Now top this...
I predicted the Heat would beat the Knicks, Indiana and Boston, last year
The Heat to sweep Mil, lose one game to both the Bulls and Indiana (lets see if Indiana pans out) this year..
Predicted the Spurs would beat the Lakers
Predicted S.A. would beat G.S.
Prdicted OKC to beat the Rockets, and have a hard time with Memphis
Memphis would lose to S.A.
Knicks would lose to the Pacers
Nets would lose to the Bulls
G.S. to beat the Nuggets (after game two, because I was not that familiar with either side playing style.)..
All of this based how these teams match ups against each other.
So one regular season game & now Cole can lock up Tony Parker? Pop style is to not double, he does...but he doesn't sacrifice the defense. Splitter will guard Bosh & is athletic enough to go out the paint to cover him. They can throw Duncan in there as needed, but he'll handle Haslem. No one has an answer for Lebron, he's the only true advantage. Green will chase Wade around enough to disrupt him.
You're giving the Heat's bench a lot of credit...I like the Spurs
combination of guards more than the Heat's, they can go 4 deep at the point & play many of them together. Manu this post season has been better than Ray. Diaw/Bonner will be tested energy wise, but can spread the floor. The Spurs can do everything the Pacers are doing only they have better shooters.
Parker gonna cook Cole.
A player like Parker you need quick feet to keep him in front of you, last game Cole started and played 43 mins and held Parker to 4-14 shooting. Even if he doesn't shut him down like that, to expect Parker to run through Cole the way he ran through the slow footed Memphis defense is just not to realistic..
Yet you gloss over the other game where Parker was 7-12 on his ass...you keep referring to ONE regular season game. One where the Spurs didn't have Duncan or Ginobili as proof this dude can handle TP
In what world is Norris Cole a better defender than Mike Conley???
The problem all starts with LeBron.... Matter fact if they get past Indiana LeBron would feel like a sprinter who had to run his races with 20 pounds weights only to have it lifted... Because if the Spurs plan is to play Lenard one on one vs James, they will get destroyed, especially when they are going to have problems scoring on the other end of the floor..
I expect Lenard to get a ton of fouls, causing them to sub often, i also expect Ducan to get worn out (like he has the past few years) vs Bosh, Anderson and Haslem... As far as the HEat bench, remember they beat their starters with their bench in a meaningful game in S.A..
The Spurs are a worse match up than either OKC last year or this years Pacers and I would be surprised if they win more than one game, if they play the HEat..
Yet you gloss over the other game where Parker was 7-12 on his ass...you keep referring to ONE regular season game. One where the Spurs didn't have Duncan or Ginobili as proof this dude can handle TP
In what world is Norris Cole a better defender than Mike Conley???
Cole is a different defender than Conley, he has better speed, while Conley has more power, so against certain defenders I would prefer Conley.. This is also why Cole is not that big of a weapon vs Indiana, as opposed to what Rio brings to the table... For Parker, Cole would be a key, as he was vs Nate and other quicker guards...
Some of you guys have to look at the game from the point of view of players and match ups, not who you think is a better player...
Duncan has been injured, not worn out the last few years. You keep referring to the regular season...bro my Mavs beat the Spurs one year 3-1 in regular season, BLEW them out the game for the division (a meaningful game) and we all thought we were finally over the Spurs hump, played in them in the postseason & they kicked our ass 4-1. Quit referring to the regular season, it don't mean shit in June.
The Spurs were the only team in the West that could beat the Heat. I don't know if it will happen (Heat have to advance...), but I'm not going to act like the Heat will sweep them. The Spurs are too good for that.
So...the Heat are gonna get to the Finals & flip their lineup to counter the Spurs??? I'm looking at from matchups & you sound as ridiculous as Rocket's fans who love talking about how Mad Max was gone shut down Jordan in the Finals
Also, the Spurs are averaging 102ppg this post season...you keep saying "struggle to score", they can score the basket.
All players have off-games. Sometimes people just miss shots (like Miami did in games 1 and 2) and it's not really the defense. Cole would not nearly be the best defender that Parker will have faced and they couldn't stop Parker. Parker is much quicker than Cole. I know you're a homer but stop the bullshit. Parker is going to eat against Miami. They'll just need to stop the other role player.
The Spurs didn't even have all of their starters so they could also send more help on Parker. Stop using one game as a sample set.
I think Miami will win but it's not because of no damn Norris Cole defending Parker. You're smoking that real good Miami shiit.
Hear are my list of problems S.A. would have vs the Heat..
1- Pick and roll does not work on fast defenses who know how to rotate well.
(sure they had a field day with Memphis, but they are a big slow sedentary team, who has problem with ball motion and switching up defenders.)
2- Personal match ups, the Heat can comfortably play their players one on one, while the Spurs will have some real big problems matching up with some of their players.
3- Bench, the Spurs will have a big disadvantage with substitution, while the Heat can wear their players down, and sub with out losing that much scoring and talent.. Battier and Allen should have much better spacing and huge games.
4- Rebounding, The Spurs may be forced to play smaller, especially with Bosh and Battier in the lineup or risk having Splitter being on a island having to guard the perimeter.. Remember they will not be playing against Gasol and the Heat have big men who can move their feet. If they go small, like I do suspect Ducan is going to have to be the main rebounding guy and at his age and with the mins he is going to have to play, its going to be a tall order... NOte if the Heat are able to rebound, they become virtually unbeatable..
5- Making Parker a high volume shooter, sure he feasted with the pic and roll and against a slower Memphis team, but let see him score 30 plus vs a defender who has the speed to keep up with him, not only that they can switch up with Rio and even James just in order to wear him down.. If he can't constantly score in the 30's they are going to have a hard time scoring enough points to stay close with Miami..
1- Pick and roll does not work on fast defenses who know how to rotate well.
(sure they had a field day with Memphis, but they are a big slow sedentary team, who has problem with ball motion and switching up defenders.)
2- Personal match ups, the Heat can comfortably play their players one on one, while the Spurs will have some real big problems matching up with some of their players.
3- Bench, the Spurs will have a big disadvantage with substitution, while the Heat can wear their players down, and sub with out losing that much scoring and talent.. Battier and Allen should have much better spacing and huge games.
4- Rebounding, The Spurs may be forced to play smaller, especially with Bosh and Battier in the lineup or risk having Splitter being on a island having to guard the perimeter.. Remember they will not be playing against Gasol and the Heat have big men who can move their feet. If they go small, like I do suspect Ducan is going to have to be the main rebounding guy and at his age and with the mins he is going to have to play, its going to be a tall order... NOte if the Heat are able to rebound, they become virtually unbeatable..
5- Making Parker a high volume shooter, sure he feasted with the pic and roll and against a slower Memphis team, but let see him score 30 plus vs a defender who has the speed to keep up with him, not only that they can switch up with Rio and even James just in order to wear him down.. If he can't constantly score in the 30's they are going to have a hard time scoring enough points to stay close with Miami..
Im not looking at one game... I am looking at the type of player you need to contain Parker... That is one with speed on a team that can defend the pick and roll well...
So...the Heat are gonna get to the Finals & flip their lineup to counter the Spurs??? I'm looking at from matchups & you sound as ridiculous as Rocket's fans who love talking about how Mad Max was gone shut down Jordan in the Finals
Also, the Spurs are averaging 102ppg this post season...you keep saying "struggle to score", they can score the basket.
The Heat approach to the Pacers is way different to that vs the Bulls... Good team make the proper adjustment according to their opponents.
Yep. You need a big man, a good-fast scoring PG, and some shooters to beat the Heat. Spurs have the personnel. However, Miami is just the more talented and faster team and I think that will win out over the course of a 7 games series. But the Spurs are obviously the team that match up best against Miami considering the available teams. The Spurs gave Miami a run when they rested damn near their entire starting lineup.
Norris Cole is not the type of player to stop Parker. Stop that dumb shit. Cole is an average defender at best.
Exactly, its the regular season so you have to account for travel, back to backs, etc...the Spurs were finishing a 6 game east coast road trip, coming off a back to back with the Magic the night Parker went 4-14 without 2 starters & their 6th man. That's not enough to say dude can guard TP.
with an extra side of french fries
at roadrage thinking Cole is a better defensive player than Conley or Tony AllenI'm not saying the Spurs are gonna win because Lebron is a one man army but to think that the answer for the Heat is Cole stopping Parker
He is a very good defender at keeping fast guys in front of him, something you need to do vs Parker, he can be posted by bigger guards and is not that strong... But Heat fans will tell you that Norris is their 2nd best one on one defender..
with an extra side of french fries
I'm not saying the Spurs are gonna win because Lebron is a one man army but to think that the answer for the Heat is Cole stopping Parker
Cole is a better specialized defender than those two... If they were defending someone like Kobe or Wade, I'd choose Allen and Conley all day, but against a player like Parker, Westbrook or Nate, I'd choose Cole.
If you don't understand this, you will never get the sport of basketball.
What are you talking about
Mike Conley is a little, quick guard. Parker, Westbrook, Nate are all in his wheelhouse. That's who he guards. He's second team all defensive team because he's a damn good on ball defender. He just got smoked by the best PG in the NBA, like Cole will if they play next round.
Ok is Curry a better defender than Conley, hells no, however Curry speed bothered Parker and held him in check most of those games as opposed to Conley who got carved like swizz cheese..What are you talking about
Mike Conley is a little, quick guard. Parker, Westbrook, Nate are all in his wheelhouse. That's who he guards. He's second team all defensive team because he's a damn good on ball defender. He just got smoked by the best PG in the NBA, like Cole will if they play next round.
Against small fast guards the best weapon is a small guard with quick feet... Against a physical strong guard the best defender is a stronger bigger guard..
Been waiting for two years now, and I will match my track record vs anyone...all right then, let's wait and see who gets the sport of basketball
Parker averaged 22.5 ppg against Curry, what are you talking bout dawg??? He went for 13, 25, 17, 32, 20, & 28. That's not holding him in check bro.
Parker averaged 22.5 ppg against Curry, what are you talking bout dawg??? He went for 13, 25, 17, 32, 20, & 28. That's not holding him in check bro.
22.5 will not cut it vs the Heat... Do the math, the Heat will score in the 100's vs the Spurs, easily, now tell how you figure the Spurs are going to get to 100 with Parker scoring 22.5.
I wonder how many screens Conley got hit with over a course of 4 games from guarding Parker?
They're averaging 102 ppg now, they can & will score as needed. They haven't had a game not in the 90s all post season
They're averaging 102 ppg now, they can & will score as needed. They haven't had a game not in the 90s all post season
Sure they are averaging 102 but my question is how are they supposed to get those points vs the Heat, a team that specializes on defending the pick and roll, and a team that has a PF with the speed and height of Duncan.. Break it down where you expect the points to come from.. Do you really expect Parker to average 30 points and Duncan 27..
Next look on the Heat side and tell me how you realistically expect to hold them under 110 remember this is not the Bulls and Pacers defense and while it appeared that the Heat would have problems vs OKC who ran away with the west, at the end it was similar match up problems that gave done them in.
He's a pesky defender not a good defender. He's actually not very good with keeping guards in front of him. He just moves his feet a lot and it "looks" like good defense. I've watched enough Norris Cole to know what he is.
You're smoking Crack. Curry got cooked by Parker. He couldn't do shit with Parker as Curry is not a good one on one defenser...better than Thompson but still not a good defender.
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