Game Of Thrones: The Sopranos with swords or Dynasty in chainmail?

[shanebp1978]

edit: Damn, you got me really thinking about this now I suppose Jon Snow could be half Targaryan if he was the product of Lyanna Stark being raped by Rhaegar Targaryen.​

Think of all those years the great and honorable Ed Stark had to let his wife believe he cheated on her.

But how could he let King Robert murder his nephew?​

 

[WhenTheGoingGetsTtuff]

^ ^ ^ ^ this makes some sense. contrary to popular belief, decisions arent good or bad based on the outcome - its based on the information you have at the time. Thats why Robb was dumb to marry that broad but not so dumb to trust Theon. Karstark had to go cuz he would be worse and worse to deal with as time go on - specially since he basically spat in Robs face with the "you aint gon do shit" speech. Better to have the Karstarks leave than sabotage you from the inside.

The whole Stark family is burdened by honor actually, cept for Rickon (seems semi retarded so far) and Sansa (head in the fucking clouds). Bran and Sansa are less burdended cuz they havent been too much influenced by family (theyre too young), but they do follow their own form of what they believe to be honor.

I say this in ignorance of the books cuz I havent read them, but it looks like this game can come down to Khaleesi vs Jon, with them both surviving. Bran + Aria restore Winterfell's glory and the dragons back on the throne with Danerys ruling with a tough but fair hand.

Mr. Lengthy

lol ya'll do realize Rickon is just a baby right? lol He's only like 5, and has had an incredible amount of stress on a 5 yr old child's mind. In basically over a night, his family is completely GONE. Everything he knows is completely GONE and at 5 he can't process the things that're happening. All he has is Shaggydog.

 

[BlkStrength]

My guess is, people sleeping on Sansa.
Yeah she is naive and believing in fairytales right now but she is still young. Also, she is in Kings Landing where she is observing and being affected directly by all the chess moves being made.

Arya, Robb, Bran...etc out in the world doing what it takes to survive, but they are out in the world, Sansa is in OCS school.

If you take a step back, I could say the whole series could be based around Sansa and her growing up, surviving and MAYBE eventual rise to power. At this rate, I wouldn't be surprised if she ends up on the throne in the end.


No spoilers, I'm guessing..so for what its worth, she could lose her head next week and I'm completely wrong.

 

[Simply Sickenin']

Think of all those years the great and honorable Ed Stark had to let his wife believe he cheated on her.

But how could he let King Robert murder his nephew?

This is what pisses me off about Eddark. I mean honor is honor in all, but damn. Would it hurt to just pull Cat to the side one day and whisper the truth in her ear. If you can't share something like that with your wife because of honor then I say FUCK HONOR. It's your wife !!!! Besides, Cat was basically held up WAY in the north for the last 18 or so years .... who the fuck was she going to tell?

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[ansatsusha_gouki]

Think of all those years the great and honorable Ed Stark had to let his wife believe he cheated on her.

But how could he let King Robert murder his nephew?

c/s

This is what pisses me off about Eddark. I mean honor is honor in all, but damn. Would it hurt to just pull Cat to the side one day and whisper the truth in her ear. If you can't share something like that with your wife because of honor then I say FUCK HONOR. It's your wife !!!! Besides, Cat was basically held up WAY in the north for the last 18 or so years .... who the fuck was she going to tell?

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c/s

Ned played the game all wrong and for him to say to Jon Snow,he will tell him who is mother is,after he comes back from Kings Landing was fucking stupid....

I really hope Jon's mother is reveal...I know the creators of the show,know the answer....

 

[crossovernegro]

No real hate, more so justified criticism of some of his actions which ill advised and counterproductive to his goal. I can understand not killing his mom, because I think anyone would at least let their mother live (even Joffrey gave Cersi a warning in season 2 when she bitch slapped him in the throne room in front of people).... but pissing off the Freys and killing old dude knowing full well that he'd lose half his army... bad decisions.
Warrior code or not, he's supposed to be King of the north now, and his obvious bad decisions are reflecting poorly on his leadership skills.

Think about the decisions Arya and Jon have had to make. Jon had to kill a fellow crow and pretend to be a wilding convert. Arya has pretended to be a boy; let prisoners escape, then used the magic of one of the escapees to keep herself alive and further her goals. Rob probably would have done things differently if he was put in their spots, differently and probably wrongly, and he wouldn't be surviving like them.

I don't get all the hate for Rob. Wtf was he supposed to do old boy committed treason and basically said what you gonna do about it. Fuck that I don't care who you are you don't call out a king like that. Dude had to be delt with asap.

 

[stretchwallz]

Cersei said when you play the game of thrones you win or die!

The Starks are at a disadvantage idealistically and politically. The North is as big as the other 7 kingdoms and they don't interact with the southerners much. Ned wasn't the heir so he wasn't prepared to lead, he took it out of responsibility when the Mad King killed his brother due to Rhaegar and Lyanna. His kids are the same way...Jon, Arya, and Bran have mentors to help them. Rickon is a baby 4 yrs old, Sansa is a political prisoner and Robb has been put in a position of power and responsibility no one his age can handle.

Jon is in the best position to restore their house...he's learning to adapt and play the political game, Arya is becoming a warrior (she's be like Blackfish Tully) Bran is going in a spiritual direction. Sansa I think will be able to gain wealth and power through her name and pussy(Marriage) and will become ruthless in her 30's. Rickon who knows? Robb just has no time to learn, grow and evolve...everything is on him now.

 

[3 Times]

Yo this thread had gotten DEEP

 

[W.M.D.]

Speaking on John, I haven't read the books. But this dude has been in three different camps and in all three taken under the leaders wing and schooled. He is being prepped for something epic.

 

[Count23]

This is what pisses me off about Eddark. I mean honor is honor in all, but damn. Would it hurt to just pull Cat to the side one day and whisper the truth in her ear. If you can't share something like that with your wife because of honor then I say FUCK HONOR. It's your wife !!!! Besides, Cat was basically held up WAY in the north for the last 18 or so years .... who the fuck was she going to tell?

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it's fucked up, but IF it turns out that jon is eddard's nephew, then I can see why he wouldn't tell cat. if he did that, eventually the rest of the kids would find out, then the rest of the house, then his bannerman, eventually reaching king's landing, and robert's ears. and you see how quick he was to have danerys killed .

 

[J.A.]

it's fucked up, but IF it turns out that jon is eddard's nephew, then I can see why he wouldn't tell cat. if he did that, eventually the rest of the kids would find out, then the rest of the house, then his bannerman, eventually reaching king's landing, and robert's ears. and you see how quick he was to have danerys killed .

Wtf what did I miss? Why/how would Jon stark be needs nephew? And what would than mean in the bigger picture?

 

[Winslow Wong]

This is what pisses me off about Eddark. I mean honor is honor in all, but damn. Would it hurt to just pull Cat to the side one day and whisper the truth in her ear. If you can't share something like that with your wife because of honor then I say FUCK HONOR. It's your wife !!!! Besides, Cat was basically held up WAY in the north for the last 18 or so years .... who the fuck was she going to tell?

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The expression goes the best way to spill a secret is to tell another parson - Ned knew that secret means life or death for Jon because if Robert would have found out - it would have meant instant death or war with his best friend. This is one secret he couldnt chance on anyone even wifey.

My guess is, people sleeping on Sansa.
Yeah she is naive and believing in fairytales right now but she is still young. Also, she is in Kings Landing where she is observing and being affected directly by all the chess moves being made.

Arya, Robb, Bran...etc out in the world doing what it takes to survive, but they are out in the world, Sansa is in OCS school.

If you take a step back, I could say the whole series could be based around Sansa and her growing up, surviving and MAYBE eventual rise to power. At this rate, I wouldn't be surprised if she ends up on the throne in the end.

I agree with you - she is a young girl who has to walk very softly and not piss anyone off if she wants to survive - she is of a different temperment than Arya - Sansa from a child as the oldest girl was being groomed to marry the Prince - Robert's Son lol and Ned's Daughter was destined from birth. Her mother taught her in the ways of a high born lady - Arya the little tomboy was allowed to do whatever since she was focused on Sansa -

The Game of Thrones is fought in the battlefield and in the Halls of power - so she will be ok especially if she marries Tyrion and he schools her.

HAve not read the books so all this is based on the show (btw nothing on the show hints at Jon being the son of Ned sister ) - the book readers are leaking over to the show thread and getting spoiler-y

 

[Count23]

Wtf what did I miss? Why/how would Jon stark be needs nephew? And what would than mean in the bigger picture?

well the thing about jon being ned's nephew is fan speculation at this point. by the end of book 5 the subject has not even been discussed or implicitly hinted at, much less revealed amongst the characters, so this isn't a spoiler or anything. it may also be completely wrong.


a few years before the main story starts, ned's sister lyanna was betrothed to robert baratheon. prince rhaegar targaryen kidnapped her for himself. ned's father and older brother went to king's landing to protest mad king aery's and both were killed. this was the spark that started the rebellion that toppled the mad king. robert killed rhaegar on the battle of the trident, while ned and some companions rode to the tower of joy in dorne, to rescue lyanna. they had to fight their way through. the details are murky, but ned finds lyanna inside the tower, dying in a "bed of blood". the important thing to note is that before she died, she made ned promise something to her. it hasn't been revealed what that promise is, but, ned recounts that the "fear went out of her eyes" when he swore to keep his word, and she then died.

think about it.

which makes more sense, that the poster child for honor eddark stark found time during a war to save his sister, to get some chick he never mentioned to anyone, not even robert, preggars and took the baby home...

or

the baby was lyanna and rhaegar's and she made him promise to take care of it as his own. ned isn't dumb. he knows that robert has an intense hatred of the targaryen's and would not hesitate to have the baby killed, since it would be a reminder of the woman he lost and the man who stole her. which is why ned tells nobody, not even jon, or cat, cuz word would eventually get out and reach robert which would probably shatter their friendship. you saw how stained their relationship became when ned refused to go along with the plan to kill danerys (come to think of it maybe he was so against it cuz he really knew that it was jon's sister).

how is this relevant to the larger story? i don't know. you may or may not know that game of thrones was only the title of the first book, and the series is called "a song of ice and fire". maybe it alludes to a future showdown between jon (ice) and danerys (fire) and or an alliance between those two against the white walkers?

 

[Count23]

HAve not read the books so all this is based on the show (btw nothing on the show hints at Jon being the son of Ned sister ) - the book readers are leaking over to the show thread and getting spoiler-y

everything i mentioned in my previous post was talked about on the show. the books go into a lil more detail but that's it.

 

[dawilleyone]

HAve not read the books so all this is based on the show (btw nothing on the show hints at Jon being the son of Ned sister ) - the book readers are leaking over to the show thread and getting spoiler-y

Not quite true. Peep the clip below



It could mean he's either Ned's son or his nephew.

 

[Simply Sickenin']

Yo this thread had gotten DEEP

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The expression goes the best way to spill a secret is to tell another parson - Ned knew that secret means life or death for Jon because if Robert would have found out - it would have meant instant death or war with his best friend. This is one secret he couldn't chance on anyone, even wifey.

I could see that bring the case. It must have fucked Ned up everyday though. Seeing his wife treat a little boy like shit. Knowing that she thinks you went off and got some random chick pregnant. I wonder how many times he came close to telling her. ​

HAve not read the books so all this is based on the show (btw nothing on the show hints at Jon being the son of Ned sister ) - the book readers are leaking over to the show thread and getting spoiler-y

I haven't read the book either. I was thinking about it, but I love this show so much right now, that I'd rather keep the mystery of not knowing what coming next. My guess of Jon being Ned nephew was based entirely on the animated shorts about the history of Westero, which are released as a part of the show. Someone posted a bunch of them a couple pages back.​

Speaking on John, I haven't read the books. But this dude has been in three different camps and in all three taken under the leaders wing and schooled. He is being prepped for something epic.

The two major guesses I've seen in this thread is that Jon is either Robert's or Rhaegar's son. Either way, Jon would have a legit claim to the throne. If he is Robert's son, then he would probably be the eldest living son. Especially since Joffrey had most, if not all of Robert's other bastards killed last season. If Jon is Rhaegar's son, then following he death of Daenerys' brother, Jon would be the eldest living Targareyen son/prince.

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[Africanama]

Slightly off topic: would you use any of the more unique names from the show to name your kids? I wouldnt mind naming my kid Khalessi.

 

[moblack]

Targareons have blonde hair. Jon Snow does not. I want to believe he is Ned's nephew but its a reason he has Black hair.

 

[moblack]

Slightly off topic: would you use any of the more unique names from the show to name your kids? I wouldnt mind naming my kid Khalessi.

I hope the child is at least a girl with that silly shit.

Only names that seem normal are Eddard, Bran,etc. Danerys would be a nice name for a girl.

 

[Simply Sickenin']

Slightly off topic: would you use any of the more unique names from the show to name your kids? I wouldnt mind naming my kid Khalessi.

I kinda like Khaleesi or Daenerys for a girl's name.

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[Count23]

I could see that bring the case. It must have fucked Ned up everyday though. Seeing his wife treat a little boy like shit. Knowing that she thinks you went off and got some random chick pregnant. I wonder how many times he came close to telling her.




I haven't read the book either. I was thinking about it, but I love this show so much right now, that I'd rather keep the mystery of not knowing what coming next. My guess of Jon being Ned nephew was based entirely on the animated shorts about the history of Westero, which are released as a part of the show. Someone posted a bunch of them a couple pages back.



The two major guesses I've seen in this thread is that Jon is either Robert's or Rhaegar's son. Either way, Jon would have a legit claim to the throne. If he is Robert's son, then he would probably be the eldest living son. Especially since Joffrey had most, if not all of Robert's other bastards killed last season. If Jon is Rhaegar's son, then following he death of Daenerys' brother, Jon would be the eldest living Targareyen son/prince.

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I dunno about jon being robert's son. If that was the case, why would ned keep it a secret from him?

Targareons have blonde hair. Jon Snow does not. I want to believe he is Ned's nephew but its a reason he has Black hair.

True they have whitish/blonde hair, but remember, they've married brother and sister for centuries, no telling how one would turn out with some 'new' blood (stark) in them.

 

[Rocky Miavia]

The expression goes the best way to spill a secret is to tell another parson - Ned knew that secret means life or death for Jon because if Robert would have found out - it would have meant instant death or war with his best friend. This is one secret he couldnt chance on anyone even wifey.



I agree with you - she is a young girl who has to walk very softly and not piss anyone off if she wants to survive - she is of a different temperment than Arya - Sansa from a child as the oldest girl was being groomed to marry the Prince - Robert's Son lol and Ned's Daughter was destined from birth. Her mother taught her in the ways of a high born lady - Arya the little tomboy was allowed to do whatever since she was focused on Sansa -

The Game of Thrones is fought in the battlefield and in the Halls of power - so she will be ok especially if she marries Tyrion and he schools her.

HAve not read the books so all this is based on the show (btw nothing on the show hints at Jon being the son of Ned sister ) - the book readers are leaking over to the show thread and getting spoiler-y

Seriously, I don't know where the hell all this bullshit about Jon being Ned's nephew is coming from. It makes no sense to me. Why tell everyone he's a bastard if he isn't. You know how hated bastards were in those times? Ned wouldn't put a child through all that for nothing.

 

[stretchwallz]

I kinda like Khaleesi or Daenerys for a girl's name.

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I listened to the Freakonomics podcast and they talked about how the name Daenerys was gaining momentum in hospitals

Targareons have blonde hair. Jon Snow does not. I want to believe he is Ned's nephew but its a reason he has Black hair.

Dominant and recessive genetics...Ned's sister Lyanna had black hair Rhaeghar had Targs blone hair, black wins

Speaking on John, I haven't read the books. But this dude has been in three different camps and in all three taken under the leaders wing and schooled. He is being prepped for something epic.

Agreed, Jon is getting crash courses in leadership from various sources

I AM THE SWORD IN THE DARKNESS - JON SNOW

 

[TheBigOne]

Jon Snow, Daenyris and Arya will team up and rule. They all have magic in common

 

[ansatsusha_gouki]

NO GAME OF THRONES ON MAY 26th
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[J.A.]

Targareons have blonde hair. Jon Snow does not. I want to believe he is Ned's nephew but its a reason he has Black hair.

Exactly . But that would make him robs son.... And isn't gendry Roberts son as well.

 

[geist]

Since its already out there. Hair color has nothing to do with it. Lyanna stark had black hair. The reason most targyrens have silver hair is because of inbreeding. Don't forget that raegar kidnapped lyanna for a long time it's one of the many reasons Roberts rebellion happend.

Why keep it a secret? If he's raegars son, Robert would want any heirs dead. With Jon also being Lyannas son of course Ned would protect him. It fits Ned's character to do that. It would also be wa reason why he made Jon take the black. He can't be king in the nights watch, so he's also protecting his best friends rule. I think had he lived he would've told Jon.

But at this point it's just speculation.

 

[smokedacane]

The targeryans hair is more silver than blonde



Also remember Catelyn Stark admitted back in season 1 i believe that one reason why she hated Jon so much was because he looked more like Eddard than any of her sons did.

 

[dawilleyone]

Seriously, I don't know where the hell all this bullshit about Jon being Ned's nephew is coming from. It makes no sense to me. Why tell everyone he's a bastard if he isn't. You know how hated bastards were in those times? Ned wouldn't put a child through all that for nothing.

He'd still be a bastard because his mother and father were not married (no matter what noble house they came from). In fact that's the reason why is name is John Snow. Snow was the name for all the by blows (i.e. bastards) from the Stark line.

It's fairly clear that Ned took him in and let people (including his wife) think that it was his bastard, but it's not clear why he did it.

He's undeniably a bastard. The question still remains as to who his true parents are.

 

[shanebp1978]

c/s on the night's watch.

Seriously, I don't know where the hell all this bullshit about Jon being Ned's nephew is coming from. It makes no sense to me. Why tell everyone he's a bastard if he isn't. You know how hated bastards were in those times? Ned wouldn't put a child through all that for nothing.

Lyanna stark was betrothed to Robert, Rhaegar kidnaps and, " Rapes ", ( Who knows the real ).

Robert starts the rebellion, kills Rhaegar and any other Targaryen he can get his hands on.

Lyanna stark dies, likely in childbirth, and makes Ned make her a promise.

Now how would Robert feel if the love of his life died birthing the seed of his sworn enemy.

 

[TheBigOne]

I like Robb as an individual, but he's pretty fucked as a leader. I'm going to be sorry to see him die. Hope he doesn't have to suffer like Jaime the sister fucker

 

[dawilleyone]

Jon Snow, Daenyris and Arya will team up and rule. They all have magic in common

What magic does Arya have?

 

[smokedacane]

What magic does Arya have?

I would tell you but people may complain about spoilers. The show has not emphasized it like it is hinted in the books.

 

[silentking]

I could see that bring the case. It must have fucked Ned up everyday though. Seeing his wife treat a little boy like shit. Knowing that she thinks you went off and got some random chick pregnant. I wonder how many times he came close to telling her.




I haven't read the book either. I was thinking about it, but I love this show so much right now, that I'd rather keep the mystery of not knowing what coming next. My guess of Jon being Ned nephew was based entirely on the animated shorts about the history of Westero, which are released as a part of the show. Someone posted a bunch of them a couple pages back.



The two major guesses I've seen in this thread is that Jon is either Robert's or Rhaegar's son. Either way, Jon would have a legit claim to the throne. If he is Robert's son, then he would probably be the eldest living son. Especially since Joffrey had most, if not all of Robert's other bastards killed last season. If Jon is Rhaegar's son, then following he death of Daenerys' brother, Jon would be the eldest living Targareyen son/prince.

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If Jon is indeed a Targareyan, then he would be Daenarys' nephew, not her brother.

 

[TheBigOne]

I would tell you but people may complain about spoilers. The show has not emphasized it like it is hinted in the books.

What's her dude that did three bodies at her order? I need that muhfuhkah. Think I'd test him on Boehners punk ass