I will take LEBRON JAMES over in his PRIME over

First Bron isn't the score first player that Jordan and Kobe were/are

Lets put that into perspective

Bron is a more inclusive player of his teammates than both those guys were/are.

What was Jordan shooting percentage when he avg 40pts ?

BDR. That is the very point. KingTaharqa is asking erroneous questions so I threw some right back at him to show how easy it is to ask "loaded-questions".

I don't even think using statistics is the way to make the case for Lebron. When you make a statistical based argument, you are already loading the case damn near against everyone going against Jordan.

The key for Lebron is his VERSATILITY.

Lebron needs to win titles and keep evolving his game. That is what is going to seperate him from all the other greats and especially Jordan....especially if he keeps evolving as a defensive player.

For instance, Jordan was a better defensive player than Lebron.

However, Lebron is becoming one of the most defensive versatile players we've seen. IF he keeps doing that, he will make a holistic case...not a statistical one.

That's what he needs to keep doing...evolving his game and that's what he's doing.

On the offensive end, I've long argued he had two things holding him down( besides playing for Coach Brown in Cleveland)

a. shot selection
b. lack of low post game

Dude is doing a full assault on those defiencies.

Miami needs to get a big man to take pressure off of Lebron on the defensive end and :itsawrap:

I'm actually more concerned with his coaches at this point because he cant afford to lose another winable title because of coach Spo.

Miami has to get 2 out of the next 3.
 
Eeww I chop it up with u all the time and u give bron massive props

I do t agree with the Lebron and Jordan comparison two totally different players

With that

First Bron isn't the score first player that Jordan and Kobe were/are

Lets put that into perspective

Bron is a more inclusive player of his teammates than both those guys were/are.

What was Jordan shooting percentage when he avg 40pts ?

see

you try to group jordan with kobe and that's just not gonna fly

jordan was score first because that's what his team NEEDED him to do.

who else was going to put up major points and score the basketball night in and night out?

and he PROVED that when asked to distribute and run the show as an all around player he proved he could do that too with EASE.

lebron isn't more inclusive than jordan was because jordan couldn't or wouldn't do it.

he's more inclusive because that's what this team NEEDS him to do.

and jordan was scoring at a higher clip not for selfish reasons but that's what the teams NEEDED him to do they NEEDED him to carry them offensively and defensively which he did.
 
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you try to group jordan with kobe and that's just not gonna fly

jordan was score first because that's what his team NEEDED him to do.

who else was going to put up major points and score the basketball night in and night out?

and he PROVED that when asked to distribute and run the show as an all around player he proved he could do that too with EASE.

lebron isn't more inclusive than jordan was because jordan couldn't or wouldn't do it.

he's more inclusive because that's what this team NEEDS him to do.

and jordan was scoring at a higher clip not for selfish reasons but that's what the teams NEEDED him to do they NEEDED him to carry them offensively and defensively which he did.

Well if Jordan is being mentioned you have to mention Kobe correct? He is the current player closet to MJ in the ring argument correct?

Bron is a pass first PF come on bruh how is Jordan more inclusive that Bron when that wasn't Mike mentality?
 
Eeww I chop it up with u all the time and u give bron massive props

I swear I was the first person on bgol to say that Lebron was the only player I've seen that had a legitimate chance to match Jordan.

I said it after he murdered my Pistons in the playoffs a few years back. That was one of the best performances I had every seen and that is when I knew Lebron was going to be up there once he fully figured out how much better he really was than everyone else.
 
he is a super stan, and that's ok to me because he keeps us posted on all things happening with "king"

You guys are much bigger "stans" of Jordan. I live in NC, I get to see his REAL warts up close and personal. You guys are still dreaming bout Space Jam and hollaring this "he never lost" shit.

its when he keeps moving his focus to hella other shit that's irritating. he came with a long ass post talking bout jordan quit cause he couldn't handle criticism excluding the fact he was coming off of a 3 peat and he had gambling problems and they had just murdered his father...

So you believe the lie that Jordan's 'dream' was to play double A ball for the Birmingham Barons? How did that go? How did Jordan do in the 95 playoffs? How far did they go? I can at least admit LeBron has lost before.

then he gone say he couldn't handle someone talking slick about his mom leaving out they murdered jordans father his hero the man he wanted to be like :lol:

like lebron is the champion of the people or something.
and like if he was the champion of the people that somehow has anything to do with the argument.

I can tell you Jordan don't give a fuck about you and your cape. Thats what makes it so laughable to see how hard dudes like you and ewwlll cape so hard for him. Dude would spit in your face.

like i said earlier jordan is better and that's fine. at this point lebron is carving his own lane so he can be one of the people that scouts try to compare and project talent wise.. like they do a magic and jordan...



he picks a stat and asks if jordan has ever done this

And ewwll totally deflects from it because he's too emotionally fragile to believe someone could actually do something better than Jordan. Stan shit.

then you come back with 4 of them and he's mush mouth.

then if we go to other shit like finals record and all that then its a silly argument cause rings don't mean anything
meanwhile 6 games of excellence in the regular season puts him over the hump as the goat

Says the guy who told me last year, LeBron cant be compared to Kobe & KG til he wins a ring. Now anytime Bron is mentioned he's sure to lump ringless KD in there with him.
 
Well if Jordan is being mentioned you have to mention Kobe correct? He is the current player closet to MJ in the ring argument correct?

but i don't do the ring argument though. cause up until last year the case would have been closed on lebron and that's not fair because of the caliber of player we're talking about.

kobe is compared to jordan because he can score and is skilled and has a desire to be great.

kobe loses to jordan in his commitment to excellence regarding overall team success

kobe saw that taking less shots, passing the ball around and playing good defense they were on a tear.

did he try to keep that up for the rest of the season? sure didn't

kobe is like jordan because he tries to be like jordan. thing is he only tried to be the scorer jordan not the all around game jordan. if kobe gets other stats sure good but that ain't what he's after. we all know it
 
I swear I was the first person on bgol to say that Lebron was the only player I've seen that had a legitimate chance to match Jordan.

I said it after he murdered my Pistons in the playoffs a few years back. That was one of the best performances I had every seen and that is when I knew Lebron was going to be up there once he fully figured out how much better he really was than everyone else.

And you called Bron a bitch for losing to the Mavs in the Finals, then rode him for it half the season last year. No matter what he did. J gets swept by his rival Bird twice, and nothing, no he had to get better, no he wasnt there yet. Its all this "he never lost", infalliable shit.
 
bunch of stannig vomit

I've been giving props on bgol to Lebron before you were even entering basketball discussions on here.

Stans do what you do...you're even wearing a stan's uniform with your avi and sig. Be a fan of basketball for once in your life. You're a worshipper. Stop being "Lebron's April69".
 
I've been giving props on bgol to Lebron before you were even entering basketball discussions on here.

Stans do what you do...you're even wearing a stan's uniform with your avi and sig. Be a fan of basketball for once in your life. You're a worshipper. Stop being "Lebron's April69".

dont entertain him
next he's gonna say we hated him for leaving the cavs :lol:
 
I've been giving props on bgol to Lebron before you were even entering basketball discussions on here.

Stans do what you do...you're even wearing a stan's uniform with your avi and sig. Be a fan of basketball for once in your life. You're a worshipper. Stop being "Lebron's April69".

And I've given props to J many of times as well. You're a Jordan stan, you're obsessed with him as the end all be all, because he represents an "era" you want to romanticize. That "era" is the past, and this game is bigger than 1 man.
 
And you called Bron a bitch for losing to the Mavs in the Finals, then rode him for it half the season last year.

Because I'm a fan of basketball not a stan like you. Yeah I rode Lebron hard for bitching up in the Finals just like I gave him props for rising to the occasion in the past. I don't ride him for "losing". I rode him for the WAY his lost (by not showing up and proving he was the best). And that's probably a good thing that it happened to him as that is what he needed to get him to the next level. That's what fans of basketball do. We change our opinion of athletes based on performance. We don't stan like you do.

You sound butt-hurt.
 
bullshit
and you know it.
nobody is trying to hurt your king fam.

Its the truth. You was one of the dudes getting mad because I called him his nickname "King" and told me how can he be a king or the best if he doesnt win a ring? KD dont even gotta win an MVP award and you lumping him in with Bron every time homie. I just wish you dudes would hold everyone to the same standard.
 
Its the truth. You was one of the dudes getting mad because I called him his nickname "King" and told me how can he be a king or the best if he doesnt win a ring? KD dont even gotta win an MVP award and you lumping him in with Bron every time homie. I just wish you dudes would hold everyone to the same standard.

dude please
mad at you calling him king?
i was SHOCKED that you would call him king nothing you do upsets me. irritates a little but upset or be mad or emotional over you? no.

you are the one who tried to get all tough and call me out on some bullshit during the playoffs while i was giving unbiased opinion.

and then i responded to you.

i don't do the ring argument PERIOD.


and nobody is lumping kd with anybody
lebron does that HIS DAMN SELF

I know there is someone, somewhere, trying to take my spot ... And I know where he is too. He’s in Oklahoma. He’s my inspiration because I see the direction he’s headed, and it’s the same direction I’m headed. I know his mind-set, and he knows mine. It’s a collision course. We’re driving one another.

word from your king
 
Because I'm a fan of basketball not a stan like you. Yeah I rode Lebron hard for bitching up in the Finals just like I gave him props for rising to the occasion in the past. I don't ride him for "losing". I rode him for the WAY his lost (by not showing up and proving he was the best). And that's probably a good thing that it happened to him as that is what he needed to get him to the next level. That's what fans of basketball do. We change our opinion of athletes based on performance. We don't stan like you do.

You sound butt-hurt.

A fan of basketball who's too proud to speak on the things MJ couldnt do. You're emotional attachment to a player who aint been on the court in over 10 years is legendary. You should work for the Bobcats, Mike got a lot of "fans of basketball" like yourself surrounding him telling him he's God everyday. Telling him his 'killer instinct' is greater than Mickey Arisons, and Buss'. Those same ducktales you believe.
 
And I've given props to J many of times as well. You're a Jordan stan, you're obsessed with him as the end all be all, because he represents an "era" you want to romanticize. That "era" is the past, and this game is bigger than 1 man.

I'm willing to bet that you've typed the name Jordan on this board over the last year than I have. Most "stans" become obsessed with "the" obstacle. I love "sports" not athletes.

I don't "romanticize" sports. I never have and never will and I don't give emotional-based arguments like you have.

As someone who has probably watched more live basketball than you've seen on TV, I understand that it's too early to make the argument yet. However, I can see the argument happening if Lebron keeps evolving his game and he wins 2-3 more titles because he's just entering his prime.

However, right now it's not a legitimate argument and it's not even fair to Lebron to make the argument before he's even put his prime work on the table.
 
A fan of basketball who's too proud to speak on the things MJ couldnt do. .

I've already made the argument in a relevant thread.

The problem is that you're using illogical argument to support a weak point. If you want to list a few accomplishments that Lebron has that Jordan doesn't in your argument about who is the better player, you better be prepared to get the list regarding the opposing player. You're just mad that I didn't play your illogical game and I turned it on you.
 
dont entertain him
next he's gonna say we hated him for leaving the cavs :lol:

I'm used to him. I remember he got into a similar argument with someone over Cam Newton. He "loves" his idols more than the sport. Stans (as with anyone who argues emotionally over a subject) do more disservice than good in regards to the object they claim to support. His mind is too twisted for him to even see it though.

The irony is that I'm sure love Lebron's "game" more than he does. It's the difference between love and infatuation that some simple-minded people just can't seem to grasp.
 
I'm willing to bet that you've typed the name Jordan on this board over the last year than I have. Most "stans" become obsessed with "the" obstacle. I love "sports" not athletes.

I don't "romanticize" sports. I never have and never will and I don't give emotional-based arguments like you have.

As someone who has probably watched more live basketball than you've seen on TV, I understand that it's too early to make the argument yet. However, I can see the argument happening if Lebron keeps evolving his game and he wins 2-3 more titles because he's just entering his prime.

However, right now it's not a legitimate argument and it's not even fair to Lebron to make the argument before he's even put his prime work on the table.

Right now it is very fair to say LeBron has already accomplished things and had performances that Jordan never did. Its very fair to say he's a better all around player than Jordan ever was. Its very fair to say Jordan never went thru a season like LeBron did last year in his formative years before he won a title. Those were my initial arguments. And a few Jordan groupies got emotional 1 starred the thread made emotional 1 liners all in it because they cant argue against that. You labeled me a "super stan" because I asked you a legit question that you were too emotional and proud to answer. I'm not the one emotionally attached to a 50 year old dude who no longer plays.
 
I'm used to him. I remember he got into a similar argument with someone over Cam Newton. He "loves" his idols more than the sport. Stans (as with anyone who argues emotionally over a subject) do more disservice than good in regards to the object they claim to support. His mind is too twisted for him to even see it though.

The irony is that I'm sure love Lebron's "game" more than he does. It's the difference between love and infatuation that some simple-minded people just can't seem to grasp.

Im used to you, you're a Pistons fan who lashes out at people who say bad things about Michael Jordan. I'm telling you, the Bobcats need you in the front office.
 
Right now it is very fair to say LeBron has already accomplished things and had performances that Jordan never did.

It's more fair to say that Michael Jordan has way more accomplishment than Lebron has had and playing the game of statistics leads up to accept that most likely, even after Lebron's career is over, Michael Jordan will have accomplished more as an individual and team player than Lebron James.
Michael Jordan just has THAT type of body of work.


Its very fair to say he's a better all around player than Jordan ever was.

This is wildly speculative. I think Lebron is a more "versatile" player and that is what adds to his greatness. At the same time, Jordan was a better offensive and defensive player and the stats and awards prove that.


Its very fair to say Jordan never went thru a season like LeBron did last year in his formative years before he won a title.

Speculative statement at best.

You labeled me a "super stan" .

You've been a super stan long before this thread homie.

because I asked you a legit question that you were too emotional and proud to answer.

You're question wasn't legitimate. I then asked you similarly-loaded questions that you also ignored.

Was it because you were too emotion and proud?

see how easy that was dummy :cool:

I'm not the one emotionally attached to a 50 year old dude who no longer plays.

Everything in this thread leads back to the fact that you are indeed the one emotionally-attached to a 50 year old who longer plays because all of your arguments about said 50 year old player are emotionally-charged in nature.
 
Im used to you, you're a Pistons fan who lashes out at people who say bad things about Michael Jordan. I'm telling you, the Bobcats need you in the front office.

I don't give a fuck about Michael Jordan the person. Michael Jordan is a narcissistic, egomaniac that's never cared about anyone or anything besides "winning". Michael Jordan the person could get hit by a car tomorrow and I wouldn't lose a second of sleep. I would go as far as saying that Lebron James has probably done more for people in an altruistic way in his career already that Jordan will ever do in the first of his life.

But I do not any of these muthafuckas "personally". You silly ass stan. You think I give two shits about any of these players as "people". We are discussing their athletic accomplishments. Other than that, I don't give a damn about these names.

We are discussing their basketball careers and at this point, Lebron's doesn't match up and that's to be expected as he's only half way through it.
 
It's more fair to say that Michael Jordan has way more accomplishment than Lebron has had and playing the game of statistics leads up to accept that most likely, even after Lebron's career is over, Michael Jordan will have accomplished more as an individual and team player than Lebron James.
Michael Jordan just has THAT type of body of work.

The last part of your paragraph is subjective. I think when LeBron's career is over people will only identify Jordan with his shoes and not his playing career. There's only so far retro shoes, youtube clips, and the nostalgia of 40-50 year olds will go with the youth. I can see LeBron surpassing him in FG%, points, rebounds, assists, triple doubles, double doubles. I see LeBron with more MVP awards as well. How do we prove who is wrong? Its also fair to say that Jordan was not as good as LeBron was at the age he entered the league.

This is wildly speculative. I think Lebron is a more "versatile" player and that is what adds to his greatness. At the same time, Jordan was a better offensive and defensive player and the stats and awards prove that.

Jordan was a better scorer, he is not a better offensive player. Do I need to quote Jordan's teammate Scottie Pippen to further illustrate my point?


Speculative statement at best.

As was your first paragaph.

You've been a super stan long before this thread homie.

You threw the first insult at me sir. Your history of emotion and lashing out at people who dare dont fall at the feet of Michael Jordan is well documented. No matter how many times you came with the "J beat my Pistons, he's from my era so he's the best no matter what" stuff, I never resulted to the insults towards you. I can only imagine you're tone if people were coming at J with the cracks about his mom, his physical appearance, and his losses the way they do Bron. You, much like him, would not be able to handle it.



You're question wasn't legitimate. I then asked you similarly-loaded questions that you also ignored.

You deflected. I can admit LeBron has lost before. Jordan groupies such as yourself, have a hard time with that.

Was it because you were too emotion and proud?

Everything in this thread leads back to the fact that you are indeed the one emotionally-attached to a 50 year old who longer plays because all of your arguments about said 50 year old player are emotionally-charged in nature.

I didnt 1 star this thread out of anger though. Im not the one hurling insults because someone criticized my idol. :lol:
 
. I think when LeBron's career is over people will only identify Jordan with his shoes and not his playing career. There's only so far retro shoes, youtube clips, and the nostalgia of 40-50 year olds will go with the youth.

This is going to be my last response to you. The problem here is that you don't understand how to make an argument.

None of the above has anything to do with the argument at hand. It's not a rare thing for you to do. The trouble with most people is that they simply just don't know how to put an argument together thus you get dragged into emotional-enraged illogical assertions void of substantial, relevant supportive references.


I can see LeBron surpassing him in FG%, points, rebounds, assists, triple doubles, double doubles. I see LeBron with more MVP awards as well. How do we prove who is wrong?

This is not the cusp of the argument. At best, you can crunch data and see where the trajectory leads you. But even giving you that, I'm willing to bet that Jordan will end up holding more statistical records than Lebron.

However, the more important criteria that players like Lebron will ultimately be judged against when judged against Jordan

NBA Championships
NBA Finals MVPs
etc

the trajectory is not looking good for Lebron. He will need to make up considerable ground because it's going to boil down to titles having considerable weight in the argument. Lebron has 1 title at the midway point. So he'll need to make a run.

Statistically, he'll make a huge dent just on the fact that he'll probably play a lot more games than Michael Jordan.

Its also fair to say that Jordan was not as good as LeBron was at the age he entered the league.

Jordan as a rookie statically was better than Lebron at the same age.



Jordan was a better scorer, he is not a better offensive player. Do I need to quote Jordan's teammate Scottie Pippen to further illustrate my point?

You mean the same Scottie Pippen that walked back that argument.

Also, that is a fallacious argument anyway: false appeal to authority

I am sure I could list more people who would argue for Jordan but I dont appeal to fallacious argumentation.

You have a history of sonning people with illogical arguments.

Guilty as charged.


You deflected. I can admit LeBron has lost before.

So you deflected by not answering as well?

I'm too smart to fall for illogical "loaded" questions. I don't let people argue like that. I'll pull the carpet from under your feet every time.



I didnt 1 star this thread out of anger though.

You probably 5 starred it. The title statement doesn't matter enough for me to even star it. I don't even have a problem with the statement.

The only problem is your unabashed stanning...which is almost trolling. and you'll notice that people are arguing against your faulty logic moreso than even the original subject matter now.

Im not the one hurling insults because someone criticized my idol. :lol:

That's exactly what you are doing but you're hurling insults at basic logic :smh:

Now go tuck yourself into bed and drink so warm milk. I'm done with you at this point.
 
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However, the more important criteria that players like Lebron will ultimately be judged against when judged against Jordan

NBA Championships
NBA Finals MVPs
etc

There are several players with with almost double the amount of championships than Jordan, with as many MVPs to boot. Hell, the Finals MVPs you bragging about are named after Bill Russell. Kobe Bryant has more championships and Finals MVPs than Wilt, is he automatically better? Again, your critieria is based on "opinion" and is subjective. Why does this argument only apply to Jordan, and no other great? If I did this, you'd call me a stan.

the trajectory is not looking good for Lebron. He will need to make up considerable ground because it's going to boil down to titles having considerable weight in the argument. Lebron has 1 title at the midway point. So he'll need to make a run.

Again, Kobe has more than 2 times the "titles" as Wilt and more Finals MVP. Ask cranrab if that makes him the better player and more impactful. Jordan groupies like yourself didnt wait til J got 5 rings before you proclaimed him better than Magic. You didnt wait til 97 to do that. LeBron does not have to MIMICK Jordan's career to be perceived as better than him. Thats an argument solely constructed by Jordanites.

Statistically, he'll make a huge dent just on the fact that he'll probably play a lot more games than Michael Jordan.

The reason he'll play a lot more games than Jordan is he came in better than Jordan. Don't see why thats a strike against him. It's not LeBron's fault Jordan wasnt good enough to come in at 18.

Jordan as a rookie statically was better than Lebron at the same age.

LeBron came into the league at age 18 DOMINATING with a national spotlight on him. Im pretty positive when MJ was 18, you didnt know who the hell he was. Never heard of him. You was on Kelly Tripucka then, not no 18 year old scrawny kid from Wilmington. At age 22 MJ was getting bounced out the first round in 4 games by the Milwaukee Bucks. At 22, LeBron was leading his team to the Finals. There is no comparison.

You mean the same Scottie Pippen that walked back that argument.

"Michael Jordan is probably the greatest scorer to ever play in the game, but I may go as far as to say LeBron James may be the greatest player to ever play the game.

"He's so potent offensively. Not only can he score at will, but he keeps everybody involved. You have to be on your Ps and Qs on defense because no guy on the basketball court is not a threat to score when LeBron James is out there. Not only that, but LeBron James will dominate the game from the offensive end as well, but he also doing it on the defensive end, which really makes him a complete package. He gets in those passing lanes and shoots those gaps and creates transition opportunities where he's pretty much unstoppable."

How is that walking back? It was funny seeing all the Team Jordan stans lash out at Scottie and tell him he dont know what he's talking bout because he's not in "awe" of another man the way they are.

Also, that is a fallacious argument anyway: false appeal to authority

I am sure I could list more people who would argue for Jordan but I dont appeal to fallacious argumentation.

I'll take Scottie's word (who Jordan never won anything without) over a message board poster living in the past and bragging about being in the Palace 25 years ago.

You probably 5 starred it. The title statement doesn't matter enough for me to even star it. I don't even have a problem with the statement.

Didnt vote, didnt even respond til I seen some dudes in here with the ducktales and coming with "Jordan has done everything LeBron does" arguments.

The only problem is your unabashed stanning...which is almost trolling. and you'll notice that people are arguing against your faulty logic moreso than even the original subject matter now.

Unabashed stanning would be going into "mutha fucka this, mutha fucka that" tirades the second I see someone not putting MJ on the pedestal I always put him on. I bet you snap your fingers and roll your neck when you be posting that shit. :lol:

That's exactly what you are doing but you're hurling insults at basic logic :smh:

Now go tuck yourself into bed and drink so warm milk. I'm done with you at this point.

Stop living in the past. Your "era" is over and Jordan been retired. This game is bigger than 1 man. And believe it or not, it began before the 80s and when you started going to Pistons games to watch
 
But it's a combination of two important things

1. improved mechanics on his shot
2. taking better 3 point shots (more important)

don't buy into that stupid shit about the distance of lebron james' resulting a higher FG%.

that's some of the dumbest box score reading bullshit you'll ever see on BGOL.

check the games and you'll see that lebron james is taking a couple extra beats to READ the D. at first i thought he needed the time because he was confused, but you can actually see the moment he decides what the correct play is.

he's understanding his options better, and what the D is giving him.

although BGOL is loathe to do it, someone will have to give coach spoelstra some credit for putting lebron james in those situations that make it easier for him to read, and also putting players in positions that make it easier for lebron james to work with.
 


Now these videos are swaying too far in the other direction, but its interesting to see how much of what is said about LeBron was said back on Jordan...
Again being a fan of both I've heard the same arguments I am hearing on James today, back then said about Jordan. ..

As far as this being Kobemania all over again, Kobe was always looked upon as a MJ knock off, ball hogging, stat padder who thrived off of playing on loaded teams...
LeBron on the other hand did it the old fashion way, similar to Jordan, he had to earn his knocks on some bad clubs before smelling the sweet aroma of success.. Not only that, LeBron has always been his own man, redefining the game rather trying to imitate past players..
If this current streak that LeBron is on, is what he's truely elevated to, and he remains healthy, well then perhaps Jordan is the only player left to compare him to..
 
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