I said there are plenty of PF's in the league who can play his role. All they have to do is pop the occasion jumper, rebound a little and play decant defense...
I will take LEBRON JAMES over in his PRIME over
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I said there are plenty of PF's in the league who can play his role. All they have to do is pop the occasion jumper, rebound a little and play decant defense...
and that right there is why spo is a horrible coach
the role bosh has on this team is criminal and not because he lacks in talent or skill.
Trust me Bosh isn't mentally capable of doing more than what he does.. I've watched and studied his game, trust me he isn't and if any team has to really on Bosh to win
well you saw how that worked out for the Raptors.
Trust me Bosh isn't mentally capable of doing more than what he does.. I've watched and studied his game, trust me he isn't and if any team has to really on Bosh to win
it worked out well with them what you talking about? they were making the playoffs with bosh there and nobody else. bosh was an all star
nobody is saying rely.
usage of a top 3 pf shouldn't be too much to ask. and if you've studied his game then you'd see that spo is an idiot and that he isn't using bosh right and hasn't since day 1
Bullshit
Im a biger Jordan fan than a LeBron fan so if anyone could be non-biased on the subject is me....
Jordan was much more spectacular, much better in the clutch, had a thing for theatrics and constantly won on the big stage... LeBron is much more versatile especially on defense, is on par with Magic on making his teammates better, is stronger than Jordan (imagine James being able to hand check
), would have benefited playing in Jordan's non zone era, where he could use his physical much more.. But playing in this jump shot era, is causing him to step up his outside game... Right now LeBron is actually shooting better from the 3pt line than Kobe (.331 vs .421) and for their career identical .336But when everything is said and done, I would not be suprised if they are G.O.A.T A and B....
Im a biger Jordan fan than a LeBron fan so if anyone could be non-biased on the subject is me....
Jordan was much more spectacular, much better in the clutch, had a thing for theatrics and constantly won on the big stage... LeBron is much more versatile especially on defense, is on par with Magic on making his teammates better, is stronger than Jordan (imagine James being able to hand check
But when everything is said and done, I would not be suprised if they are G.O.A.T A and B....
Lebron does more than hand check they let him play aggressive as hell on defense! I never seen so many people lie to themselves just to make another man look good. Let me show you how ESPN has convinced you LBJ fans that this guy has good defense. He can spend a whole game getting his ass busted and ESPN won't show that but he'll get a block or a steal and they'll show that all day. The game against the Clippers LBJ was checking some skinny dude coming off of the bench and he was busting jumpers in LBJ face but did they show that? It not 1 good defender in Basketball at this moment bc the NBA took the defense out. Most of LBJ assist is coming from Ray Allen and other players coming off of screen and Lebron just happen to be the guy passing them the ball and like I said b4 assist do not just show how good you are it shows how good your teammates are also. It's funny how when the Heat is losing it's always Bosh fault but the 3 games LBJ and Wade miss last year the heat won all 3 easy with Bosh leading them but these LBJ divas don't mention it bc they need back up excuses for when the Heat lose.
this is how you can tell who is young and/or didn't watch basketball in the 80s (or maybe even 90s)
EVERY NBA team played zone D at some point in EVERY game before and during michael jordan's career. only difference between then and now is that some types of zone D are legal now.
when Bosh gets touches and is a legitimate part of the offensive, Miami goes to the next level. He's too good of an offensive player to be an afterthought.
From Jemele Hill this morning on her facebook "This LeBron vs. Jordan argument is fascinating. Why? Because its quite clear people can't EMOTIONALLY let Jordan go. Why is it most people REFUSE to allow for the fact that whether it's LeBron or someone else, someone can and will eventually be better than Jordan?"
I agree. Not only is Lebron a better player than Jordan to me but also Kobe. There is something to be said about the high level Kobe is still playing at in his what 16th 17th year.
I agree. Not only is Lebron a better player than Jordan to me but also Kobe. There is something to be said about the high level Kobe is still playing at in his what 16th 17th year.
It's already past your bedtime. Kobe absolutely does nothing better than Jordan and certainly doesn't have the stats or career accomplishments either. This is stupid.
No it's not but as it states above, people are too emotional to even consider it
Fellas, I'm not saying it's not the SMART THING to do...
...but you guys DO realize Lebron is shooting like this because of he's a great player shooting close to the basket, right?
Hell, the other week when Kobe started passing the ball, he posted up damn near every play, and for two straight games, he shot very similar percentages. Hell, the other day when he shot 11 for 19, it was because he took similar 'easy' shots.
Great players taking GREAT shots are going to shoot abnormally high percentages.
Lebron is also shooting significantly less threes than he did earlier in his career, and it allowed his shooting percentage to go up. He is shooting 42 percent this year, but Jordan had a VERY similar spike year, despite being a career low-30s 3 point-shooter, just like Lebron.
I'm just sayin'...
...when it comes to great players, there is a correlation between degree of difficulty on shot and shooting percentage. Lebron is taking closer range shots, HE'S GREAT, and he's scoring efficiently. Jordan was a 50 percent shooter, but when he started taking more jumpers, instead of attacking the basket as much, he dropped below 50 percent never to return. Kobe, a GREAT player, has arguably the worst shot selection of any superstar and shoots 45 percent for the career.
This has a lot more to do with Lebron's shot selection - WHICH IS SMART - than him tossing up anything from anywhere and it's going on.
...but you guys DO realize Lebron is shooting like this because of he's a great player shooting close to the basket, right?
Hell, the other week when Kobe started passing the ball, he posted up damn near every play, and for two straight games, he shot very similar percentages. Hell, the other day when he shot 11 for 19, it was because he took similar 'easy' shots.
Great players taking GREAT shots are going to shoot abnormally high percentages.
Lebron is also shooting significantly less threes than he did earlier in his career, and it allowed his shooting percentage to go up. He is shooting 42 percent this year, but Jordan had a VERY similar spike year, despite being a career low-30s 3 point-shooter, just like Lebron.
I'm just sayin'...
...when it comes to great players, there is a correlation between degree of difficulty on shot and shooting percentage. Lebron is taking closer range shots, HE'S GREAT, and he's scoring efficiently. Jordan was a 50 percent shooter, but when he started taking more jumpers, instead of attacking the basket as much, he dropped below 50 percent never to return. Kobe, a GREAT player, has arguably the worst shot selection of any superstar and shoots 45 percent for the career.
This has a lot more to do with Lebron's shot selection - WHICH IS SMART - than him tossing up anything from anywhere and it's going on.
Lebron is much more worthy of a discussion than Kobe. Kobe has tried to mimic Jordan's playing style and they play the same position. So it's very easy to "compare" the two against each other. Jordan was a better offensive player, better defender, better leader, better big-game player, owns Kobe statistically and has way more hardware overall. So it is stupid to say that Kobe is better than Jordan. In every imaginable way Jordan wins that argument.
Lebron is a different animal because there are things that he does do better than Jordan. However, it is just too early to make the argument and unfair to Lebron to even do so at this point considering he is only now entering his prime.
Dawg. Lebron is shooting 43 percent from 3 this season!! practically the same percentage as KD man
I saw the rest of your post though about his "career" shooting percentage and this being a spike season. We'll need to see... Lebron has consistently improved various parts of his game so it will definitely be interesting to see if he keeps this up.
But it's a combination of two important things
1. improved mechanics on his shot
2. taking better 3 point shots (more important)
Dawg. Lebron is shooting 43 percent from 3 this season!! practically the same percentage as KD man
I'm not saying it's not impressive, but it's not unprecedented...
...Jordan did a 42.7 for a season, but fell back to earth the following season. This is unprecedented for Lebron. I mean, he's a 33 percent shooter from 3 point-line for the career.
He's just having an extraordinary year.
However, really, can we expect a guy whose shot in the low-30s on average to suddenly turn into Steve Kerr in season 10?
I tell you what: If he continues to shoot at this level, on near it for the rest of his career, then maybe dude is the GOAT.
That would be unprecedented improvement.
Yeah man. It's pretty unprecedented. If there were PEDs for improving shooting accuracy, I would say that muthafucka needs to be tested
Seriously though, the 3 point shooting is the most interesting to me because long-term it will be the easiest to test relative to everything else.
It's pretty damn amazing that he's gone from an average to top 3 point shooter this season. It didn't even smack me in the face until there was speculation that he would enter the 3 point contest during all-star weekend.
who is jalen rose?
Well, most accomplished?
Gotta toss Kareem in there. His ring and MVP count is very close to Jordan's if not identical. He is all time in points, while Jordan is all time in PPG.
However, once you toss in college and HS Kareem is God and Jordan is Big Baby Jesus, at best.
Was it Russell? That would be my guess.
This was a good article here
http://espn.go.com/nba/story/_/id/8939726/coast-coast-comparing-lebron-james-michael-jordan
" Jordan was never motivated by the abstract. Michael was always about annihilating the people in front of him. He said he was driven to separate himself from would-be peers such as Clyde Drexler and Reggie Miller, or the legends whose times overlapped with him, including Magic Johnson and Larry Bird. If Jordan wanted to go after Bill Russell's ring count or Kareem Abdul-Jabbar's scoring record, he wouldn't have taken a baseball hiatus or retired a second time at age 35."
Shit.. wasn't career running up state titles in high school too? Muthafuckas banned dunking because of Kareem
Shit.. wasn't career running up state titles in high school too? Muthafuckas banned dunking because of Kareem
Yeah, I included high school.
Dude was on some whole other shit in HS and College. Mike is great, but Kareem bodied him outside of the pros.
In Jordan's defense, while obviously extremely talented, he didn't get the 'work ethic revelation' until a coach told him working as hard as everyone else wouldn't be enough if he wanted to be the best. He did work hard in HS, but having North Carolina's legendary coaching staff school you is going to take an extremely talented player to a whole other level, especially if they are mentally able to grasp what's being taught, and have the work ethic to maximize what they're being taught...
...which clearly was the case for Jordan.
Jordan just didnt have the haters King does. Kobe fans, Team Jordan fans, fans of the teams he didnt go to. Michael never experienced that as a player. Michael was never asked to follow Wilt or Dr. Js path to a tee or he was a bitch. His haters didnt come until his forray into ownership. We shielded him from that. We protected him from that. When he came up short we blamed Pippen, we blamed the things that happened off the court Mike couldnt walk in these $300 shoes. Its like Wilt said, nobody roots for Goliath erybody rooted for Jordan.
gotdamn, april. always good for a few laughs. He never came up short tho. 6-0 in the Finals.
Makes sense to me.
This is the only dude left in L.A. chanting MVP every time Kobe makes a free throw.
Apparently most moved to New Jersey because they were all chanting MVP for Kobe when he yacked on Wallace and Humphries.
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...and I have to say this, too:
To me, numbers are very ambiguous. They only give you an idea of the caliber player you're dealing with, but numbers, for the most part, are based on circumstances...
...some outside of a players control, some within a players control.
Let's take Lebron and Kobe, for instance(Admittedly, caught Jordan in the 90s. Didn't know what the fuck was going on in the 80s):
Lebron: Instead of Lebron shooting as many threes, how about he use his size and strength to play in and pass out of the post?
I'll guarantee you his numbers look different than they do now. He's probably a close to 60 percent shooter for the career, and if he shoots the same number of shots, his PPG is higher. You add in his open court play, and dude is looking pretty ridiculous, even compared to what we've seen throughout his career.
Kobe: Keep him within 15 feet for the career, for the most part. Perimeter jumpers and post play, with his skill and footwork, and dude shooting percentages go up drastically.
Give him the passing mentality he has now, and he's undoubtedly not a 5ast dude for the career. You have to honor his offensive ability, so players will get open shots playing.
Now, these are all feasible changes for two great players that would alter their statistics significantly.
All I suggested is that they play to their strengths. Not a crazy concept.
To me, numbers are very ambiguous. They only give you an idea of the caliber player you're dealing with, but numbers, for the most part, are based on circumstances...
...some outside of a players control, some within a players control.
Let's take Lebron and Kobe, for instance(Admittedly, caught Jordan in the 90s. Didn't know what the fuck was going on in the 80s):
Lebron: Instead of Lebron shooting as many threes, how about he use his size and strength to play in and pass out of the post?
I'll guarantee you his numbers look different than they do now. He's probably a close to 60 percent shooter for the career, and if he shoots the same number of shots, his PPG is higher. You add in his open court play, and dude is looking pretty ridiculous, even compared to what we've seen throughout his career.
Kobe: Keep him within 15 feet for the career, for the most part. Perimeter jumpers and post play, with his skill and footwork, and dude shooting percentages go up drastically.
Give him the passing mentality he has now, and he's undoubtedly not a 5ast dude for the career. You have to honor his offensive ability, so players will get open shots playing.
Now, these are all feasible changes for two great players that would alter their statistics significantly.
All I suggested is that they play to their strengths. Not a crazy concept.
12 pages and still going....wow.
Time to end this....
Question,how many big games or moments can anyone say Jordan disappeared in?
As great as Lebron is...some of you guys have forgotten his play-off record before last year.
Time to end this....
Question,how many big games or moments can anyone say Jordan disappeared in?
As great as Lebron is...some of you guys have forgotten his play-off record before last year.
Yeah. Lebron had some pretty historically horrible numbers in his first two NBA Finals appearances. I will give him a pass on the first one because he was a 22 year old kid who took a really suspect team there (which was an accomplishment in itself).
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