Marvel Boss Talks 'Black Panther' Movie, Says It's Difficult To Create World, Setting

[geechiedan]

Re: Marvel Boss Talks 'Black Panther' Movie, Says It's Difficult To Create World, Set

Thats perfectly fine, But you didn't answer my questions. To answer the second part of what you wrote...



IMO any plan that seeks to EXCLUDE white people is likely to be LIMITED and is Short-Sighted. Call me naive, But my thinking is simply this:

If the product is GOOD most people will buy it.

1) Of-course initially we need to start establishing GOOD products....NOT THE MEDEA SHIT EITHER!!!
2) It shouldn't be marketed as "Black" anything.
3) EXPAND beyond the typical SOCIAL black movies(boyz in the hood, medea, baber-shop etc)

Just some quick thought as a matter of fact heres a movie I promoted on the board and would have seen IF it was playing in a movie theater...

Here's another example think about the movie "THE MATRIX" how many Blacks were in that movie compared to whites? Not only that but Blacks in POWER positions? Guess what? Nobody cared because overall it was a GOOD MOVIE....

the answer to your question is you are NOT required to support ANY movie that you don't want to based on what the film is...

the problem faced by nonwhite films ISN'T so much the quality as people making a decision not to see them because theres too many black faces on the screen.

Also I never said exclude white people I said we need to offset lack of white support with other people of color.

 

[Darth Furious]

Re: Marvel Boss Talks 'Black Panther' Movie, Says It's Difficult To Create World, Set

What he meant to say is. It is difficult to create wakanda on the little ass budget they would be sure to get for working on a black movie.

marvel doesn't want to spend money on a black action movie because it won't make money internationally. its going to cost at least 100 million to produce and another 50 mill to promote. do you think disney going to take that kind of risk after john carter?

CO SIGN





We like to do a lot of racial shit when it comes to the genre and the star but the reality is based on money. Money is the key to everything. Nothing else. Nothing more. The "we hate the niggs" campaign is more of a side bar than anything else.

They see black as urban and urban as black - as if there is no other way in or around a script that doesnt promote that - then the door is harder to open. I dunno why but it is what it is. Read any screenplay and the shit will be evident when the main characters that are white arent labeled and the ones that are non-white are described as such. Some try to be proper and tag us as African American - personally, I cant stand that shit for some reason. I am black. Period. But anyway, its in every screenplay, Ive ever read except for those written by blacks who describe whites as Italian or German or Jewish or whatever.

The trouble with BP starts right there and then in the writing.

Blacks, non americans, royalty in Africa and science fiction wrapped up together in one flick in a damn hard sell for ANYONE.




I want to see Wakanda on screen too but it has to start somewhere else first and then BP can ride in his own flick.


oNE

 

[water]

Re: Marvel Boss Talks 'Black Panther' Movie, Says It's Difficult To Create World, Set

1. black support alone isn't going to make a black cast film do 100 mil BO... thats ridiculous.

2. all black folks don't have the same tastes and interest in the subject matter NOR SHOULD WE..

its a HUGE mistake to market and niche black cast films for just a black audience. White cast films have NEVER been marketed as "for white people" even when the laws segregated the theaters.
YOU don't even consider a movie like The Avengers or Ted as "white" films.. even tho those films have NOTHING BUT WHITE PEOPLE IN THEM.

You don't have to consider how you can "relate" to shit or any other obstacles and criteria thats applied to black cast films..

you see a film thats all white cast and as long as it has all the elements you like in it (including the white people) you'll plop down your cash at the BO and support that shit with no question.

But the majority of white people (and others) don't see a black cast film in the same way...they see a bunch of black faces on the screen and immediately think "this isn't my story" or "I can't relate to this.." which is a load of BULLSHIT.

So what your talking about is load of BULLSHIT too

please stop it.

This post displays a couple of things:

1. YOU don't even consider a movie like The Avengers or Ted as "white" films.. even tho those films have NOTHING BUT WHITE PEOPLE IN THEM.

This is a consequence of our brainwashing.
I don't watch much movies because I have very little interest in most movies. They don't represent me, don't identify with me and part of this is that I grew up watching "local" TV containing black theatre productions, black musicals etc....

The reason black people don't see movies like they way whites sees movies is a result of racism i.e. it is intrinsic for all people, both conqueror & conquered to related to the conqueror.
Stockholm Syndrome is full effect.

It's the reason why Malcolm X said "Massa we sick"


2. But the majority of white people (and others) don't see a black cast film in the same way...they see a bunch of black faces on the screen and immediately think "this isn't my story" or "I can't relate to this.." which is a load of BULLSHIT.

it means that white people still operate within a racist paradigm when it comes to the film industry.

As a result, no solution can be created with white people as pillars of support.
The existing systems CANNOT be used.

We have to build from the ground up.

From production, promotion & distribution.

For the 1st time in history we have vehicles to do it.

The internet, social media we free us.

If it could organize and overthrow a government then we could harness its power also.



Thoughts?

 

[tical]

Re: Marvel Boss Talks 'Black Panther' Movie, Says It's Difficult To Create World, Set

This post displays a couple of things:

1. YOU don't even consider a movie like The Avengers or Ted as "white" films.. even tho those films have NOTHING BUT WHITE PEOPLE IN THEM.

This is a consequence of our brainwashing.
I don't watch much movies because I have very little interest in most movies. They don't represent me, don't identify with me and part of this is that I grew up watching "local" TV containing black theatre productions, black musicals etc....

The reason black people don't see movies like they way whites sees movies is a result of racism i.e. it is intrinsic for all people, both conqueror & conquered to related to the conqueror.
Stockholm Syndrome is full effect.

It's the reason why Malcolm X said "Massa we sick"


2. But the majority of white people (and others) don't see a black cast film in the same way...they see a bunch of black faces on the screen and immediately think "this isn't my story" or "I can't relate to this.." which is a load of BULLSHIT.

it means that white people still operate within a racist paradigm when it comes to the film industry.

As a result, no solution can be created with white people as pillars of support.
The existing systems CANNOT be used.

We have to build from the ground up.

From production, promotion & distribution.

For the 1st time in history we have vehicles to do it.

The internet, social media we free us.

If it could organize and overthrow a government then we could harness its power also.



Thoughts?

I don't disagree with anything you said! Whats highlighted in TEAL echos what I was trying to articulate in the previous post. My only concern and previous point of contention I've had with you in other threads is this: I don't believe it's in the best interest of blacks, white, hispanic, asians etc to be exclusive to each other.

Call me naive but i think the world is far too small for that type of thinking..I have no problems and fully believe we need to organize and establish ourselves to the highest levels in society Business, Sciences, Education etc BUT as Humans playing the EXCLUSIVE game ultimately dehumanizes us all!

 

[water]

Re: Marvel Boss Talks 'Black Panther' Movie, Says It's Difficult To Create World, Set

I don't disagree with anything you said! Whats highlighted in TEAL echos what I was trying to articulate in the previous post. My only concern and previous point of contention I've had with you in other threads is this: I don't believe it's in the best interest of blacks, white, hispanic, asians etc to be exclusive to each other.

Call me naive but i think the world is far too small for that type of thinking..I have no problems and fully believe we need to organize and establish ourselves to the highest levels in society Business, Sciences, Education etc BUT as Humans playing the EXCLUSIVE game ultimately dehumanizes us all!

I have no responsibility to take the high road if there is a boot on my neck.

Release the foot and then we can talk.

Until then I am not in a position to reason with someone whose boot is on my neck. Negotiations are done from a position of strength.

My first goal is survival, then growth then respect.

Talking peace, love and unity does NOT help me get that boot from my neck


Am I wrong?

 

[tical]

Re: Marvel Boss Talks 'Black Panther' Movie, Says It's Difficult To Create World, Set

I have no responsibility to take the high road if there is a boot on my neck.

Release the foot and then we can talk.

Until then I am not in a position to reason with someone whose boot is on my neck. Negotiations are done from a position of strength.

My first goal is survival, then growth then respect.

Talking peace, love and unity does NOT help me get that boot from my neck


Am I wrong?

Seemed to help us out to some degree. I'm sure he agrees as part of it's chief architect:

No doubt in the immediate future that type of thinking can feed our stomachs, But I hate to think what it would do to our humanity in the long run. Sadly, history has enough lessons of a group of people that set-out to be better than everyone else..the outcome is rarely pretty!!!

 

[water]

Re: Marvel Boss Talks 'Black Panther' Movie, Says It's Difficult To Create World, Set

Seemed to help us out to some degree. I'm sure he agrees as part of it's chief architect:

No doubt in the immediate future that type of thinking can feed our stomachs, But I hate to think what it would do to our humanity in the long run. Sadly, history has enough lessons of a group of people that set-out to be better than everyone else..the outcome is rarely pretty!!!

MLK Jr was gangst Bro.

You must have been listening to the white washed version.

This is the MLK Jr & Cosby I know (check out at 0:55 mark if u don't want to listen to the whole clip even though i recommend that u do):

 

[reignmaker]

Re: Marvel Boss Talks 'Black Panther' Movie, Says It's Difficult To Create World, Set

peace

The only benefit of the doubt I'll throw to these CACs is that their simple ass aren't willing to depict certain civilizations in the Motherland as more advanced than anything the Stark family has ever created.

They'd have to build an entire secret kingdom fully of advanced technology. thinking with skilled scholars & superbly gifted Black folk controlling & ruling their own destinies in a place where they SUCCESSFULLY PROTECT ALL of their most precious resources, THEN sell it as an Int'l brand & product, going into worldwide markets & making sure it translates successfully.

They may be hesitant to try & do this on a worldwide scale thinking that they will lose money by not selling the blond blue eyed hero which always translate into successful ventures.

Some ole BruceLee shit b4 he went home & got the love from his people when the US was giving him shit & when him & his family were dead broke.

BottomLine


peace

100

 

[FIVEFIVE]

Re: Marvel Boss Talks 'Black Panther' Movie, Says It's Difficult To Create World, Set

I Cosign Kaya. All day.

 

[Lions]

Re: Marvel Boss Talks 'Black Panther' Movie, Says It's Difficult To Create World, Set

blade 1 and 2 were action movies with a black star in it. they were promoted as action films. blade didn't cost alot of money to produce and made a crapload of money. good enough to make two sequels.

The DVD commentary on the Blade films also talks about how the studio wanted to make Blade white.

 

[shaddyvillethug]

Re: Marvel Boss Talks 'Black Panther' Movie, Says It's Difficult To Create World, Set

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[tre2k4]

Re: Marvel Boss Talks 'Black Panther' Movie, Says It's Difficult To Create World, Set

Black Panther will be in one of the upcoming films hopefully

 

[tre2k4]

Re: Marvel Boss Talks 'Black Panther' Movie, Says It's Difficult To Create World, Set

bro who dis

and does she get naked

 

[shaddyvillethug]

Re: Marvel Boss Talks 'Black Panther' Movie, Says It's Difficult To Create World, Set

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[tre2k4]

Re: Marvel Boss Talks 'Black Panther' Movie, Says It's Difficult To Create World, Set

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[shaddyvillethug]

Re: Marvel Boss Talks 'Black Panther' Movie, Says It's Difficult To Create World, Set

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im bumpin dis chronic 2001

 

[water]

Re: Marvel Boss Talks 'Black Panther' Movie, Says It's Difficult To Create World, Set

I Cosign Kaya. All day.

Thanks Bro


Peep the thread:

http://www.bgol.us/board/showthread.php?t=679057

 

[shaddyvillethug]

Re: Marvel Boss Talks 'Black Panther' Movie, Says It's Difficult To Create World, Set

i don't like that nigga kaya

think he better than everybody else and shit.

 

[chilibrick]

Re: Marvel Boss Talks 'Black Panther' Movie, Says It's Difficult To Create World, Set

The DVD commentary on the Blade films also talks about how the studio wanted to make Blade white.

i'm not shocked. no knows who he was when the movie came out. blade was a minor character in tomb of dracula. you could have done it and only hard core comic heads would have notice.

 

[the flash]

Re: Marvel Boss Talks 'Black Panther' Movie, Says It's Difficult To Create World, Set

Fuck that bullshit excuse! Disney can provide them with billions of dollars and this is the lie they are telling?

 

[keone]

Re: Marvel Boss Talks 'Black Panther' Movie, Says It's Difficult To Create World, Set

i don't like that nigga kaya

think he better than everybody else and shit.

damn its like that?

 

[water]

Re: Marvel Boss Talks 'Black Panther' Movie, Says It's Difficult To Create World, Set

i don't like that nigga kaya

think he better than everybody else and shit.

The lion does not turn around when a small dog barks
-Africa proverb

 

[tical]

Re: Marvel Boss Talks 'Black Panther' Movie, Says It's Difficult To Create World, Set

The lion does not turn around when a small dog barks
-Africa proverb

I see you making friends...

 

[water]

Re: Marvel Boss Talks 'Black Panther' Movie, Says It's Difficult To Create World, Set

I see you making friends...

It's the same reason he dropped out of high school, allergic to knowledge


They should make drugs out of books


Mofos would be squeaky clean!

 

[heavyhand]

Re: Marvel Boss Talks 'Black Panther' Movie, Says It's Difficult To Create World, Set

I wonder how stan lee feels about the shit goin down at marvel

 

[shaddyvillethug]

Re: Marvel Boss Talks 'Black Panther' Movie, Says It's Difficult To Create World, Set

The lion does not turn around when a small dog barks
-Africa proverb

oh u a lion now?

word?

 

[WhenTheGoingGetsTtuff]

Re: Marvel Boss Talks 'Black Panther' Movie, Says It's Difficult To Create World, Set

Being self sufficient....in what sense? If you are advocating not to work in their workplace, where will we get our resources, income to maintain our communities?

At least for the time being, we have to deal with White people one way or the other. We either have to battle them in the workplace or do any of you have a better to improve our per capita income.

We work, together. Hold on. I know it sounds crazy but hear me out! We actually come together. Pool our abilities and resources. Talents, knowledge. And build our own businesses.

VOILA! MAAAGIC.

Own a couple businesses? Hire black people and keep the wheel going. Get them to open their own, or branch out from yours. And replace them with other black people. See how that works?

 

[WhenTheGoingGetsTtuff]

Re: Marvel Boss Talks 'Black Panther' Movie, Says It's Difficult To Create World, Set

White people don't love Black people, they never will... But we continue to wait for their love and validation like good little children... We want their Oscars, their acceptance in the workplace, their acceptance in their neighborhoods, their women, their money...

...If we are not self sufficient, or if we continue to wait for our white godfathers to endow us with means we will have nothing...

Approve this post. Exactly how i feel.

 

[tical]

Re: Marvel Boss Talks 'Black Panther' Movie, Says It's Difficult To Create World, Set

We work, together. Hold on. I know it sounds crazy but hear me out! We actually come together. Pool our abilities and resources. Talents, knowledge. And build our own businesses.

VOILA! MAAAGIC.

Own a couple businesses? Hire black people and keep the wheel going. Get them to open their own, or branch out from yours. And replace them with other black people. See how that works?

On the surface thoughts like this sounds nice..However, and this is typically the case with most things, very few people look or even can see the deeper implications of actions...especially extreme ones.

Some of us, by our vocation at the very least, don't have the luxury of SURFACE actions we MUST consider deep and longterm consequences, if any!

The path that you suggest in agreement with Knation, Kefta etc IF undertaken by this design that you all seem to have advocated for will cost us tremendously, no doubt! A danger like no other! There's no turning back once that route is taken.

If you think we will ...."transformation" as a people and STILL come out on the otherside the same, you are sadly mistaken. As I have mentioned to Knation and I doubt he got the gravitas of my statement, "Our stomachs maybe full, But our humanity will be empty."

It is our HUMANITY that defines us, all people really!......YOUR SUBSCRIBED WAY is not the PROPER way and STILL maintain our unique identity..

One thing Begets another!!!!

 

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[The Plutonian]

You think they serious or they bullshittin'?



You can Create Asgard for Thor
You can go film in Europe for Captain America
You can Create The Cosmos for Guardians of the Galaxy

But you can't create AFRICA?


Whole Article - http://blogs.indiewire.com/shadowandact/marvel-boss-talks-b

Right. Stsu and shit the movie son! Fuck him for that fucked up idea he put in the fans heads

 

[playahaitian]

‘Black Panther’ Helmer Ryan Coogler Stakes His Proximity Media Banner To 5-Year Exclusive Disney Television Deal; Wakanda Series In Works For Disney+
By Mike Fleming Jr
Mike Fleming Jr
Co-Editor-in-Chief, Film
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February 1, 2021 12:00pm
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EXCLUSIVE: The Walt Disney Company has extended its relationship with Black Panther director and co-writer Ryan Coogler. Disney has made a five-year overall exclusive television deal with Coogler’s Proximity Media, which he runs with principals Zinzi Coogler, Sev Ohanian, Ludwig Göransson, Archie Davis and Peter Nicks. Coogler, who is working on the Black Panther feature sequel he will direct this year, will develop new television series for the studio. The first one will delight Black Panther fans: a drama based in the Kingdom of Wakanda for Disney+. The deal also enables Proximity to develop television for other divisions of the Company.



“Ryan Coogler is a singular storyteller whose vision and range have made him one of the standout filmmakers of his generation,” said Bob Iger, Executive Chairman, The Walt Disney Company. “With Black Panther, Ryan brought a groundbreaking story and iconic characters to life in a real, meaningful and memorable way, creating a watershed cultural moment. We’re thrilled to strengthen our relationship and look forward to telling more great stories with Ryan and his team.”


Said Coogler: “It’s an honor to be partnering with The Walt Disney Company. Working with them on Black Panther was a dream come true. As avid consumers of television, we couldn’t be happier to be launching our television business with Bob Iger, Dana Walden and all the amazing studios under the Disney umbrella. We look forward to learning, growing, and building a relationship with audiences all over the world through the Disney platforms. We are especially excited that we will be taking our first leap with Kevin Feige, Louis D’Esposito, Victoria Alonso and their partners at Marvel Studios where we will be working closely with them on select MCU shows for Disney+. We’re already in the mix on some projects that we can’t wait to share,” stated Ryan Coogler on behalf of Proximity Media.”

Coogler founded the multi-media company Proximity with Zinzi Coogler, Ohanian, Göransson, Davis and Nicks with a mission to create event-driven feature films, television, soundtracks and podcasts that look to bring audiences closer together through stories involving often-overlooked subject matters. Proximity intends to generate a wide variety of projects across all budget levels.



Coogler’s rise to the Hollywood A-list has been meteoric. His debut came on the lauded Fruitvale Station, and he reunited with Michael B Jordan on Creed, after persuading Sylvester Stallone to allow him to revive his Rocky Balboa character and franchise. Creed has turned into a franchise of its own. Coogler then followed with Black Panther, a film that grossed north of $1.3 billion globally, the most for a film by a Black filmmaker. It created a global zeitgeist groundswell and became the first superhero film to get a Best Picture Oscar nomination. Star Chadwick Boseman died last year, and Coogler and Disney are moving forward with a sequel he has written, one that will not recast another actor in that role.

The deal was negotiated on behalf of Proximity Media by WME, Charles King of M88 and Jonathan Gardner, Esq. of Cohen & Gardner.

 

[doug777]