Still trippin over the chicken vs beef thing.
Harvard has a course on the wire now.
Harvard has a course on the wire now.
** The HBO Series "The Wire" Question & Answer Thread **
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I don't know if he was STILL, but Bubs did share needles with the whiteboy and as per the commentary, the REAL Bubbles died of AIDS, so it wouldn't really matter if he continued to share needles, the damage was done already.
Michael K. Williams is one helluva actor, this is true. You will get no argument against on this board.
Thanks for the replies. i knew something was wrong because she looked young in that scene then came back the next season brolic in comparison I guess. At least I found something to watch today. Thanks again!!!
So I just go the entire 5 seasons of The Wire and started watching it for the first time. I know I know Im late but I ran out of stuff to watch besides The Walking Dead, Spartacus & Californication. So the funny thing I realized about The Wire is that a lot of gifs on BGOL came from The Wire. Is this gif from the show? 
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I'm watching Southland Season 2 and Wood Harris (aka Avon Barksdale) is on here and he was talking to the cops and said, "Money be green"
I was wondering whether that was done on purpose as his nephew said it when Bubbles got the boys with fake money in season 1 of the wire.
I was wondering whether that was done on purpose as his nephew said it when Bubbles got the boys with fake money in season 1 of the wire.
I know I'm late but I just finished season 1. I'm on season 2 now. Best Buy was having a sale on The Wire so I got a few seasons.
This is where I got mine and a copy for my mom and sister. Cost me %3.99 free shipping for the whole series
http://dvdsalez.com/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=1&products_id=1
I'm bored so I'm watching the wire again.
Marlo was a genius
I'll go over connecting story lines from 1 to 5
but right now.....Marlo is the man.
Season 5 episode 1 31:10 mark, Marlo planted the seeds for the betrayal of Prop Joe, I peeped it but never peeped it until now. New territory was coming and he mentioned that it should be 1st come 1st serve...
backed off of that
then suggested that Joe promote Charles to a new spot give him some shine...charles being the soldier declined... and Marlo let it go.... the camera pans to Cheese...who we know is hungry as hell looking for some shine
Genius
Marlo was a genius
I'll go over connecting story lines from 1 to 5
but right now.....Marlo is the man.
Season 5 episode 1 31:10 mark, Marlo planted the seeds for the betrayal of Prop Joe, I peeped it but never peeped it until now. New territory was coming and he mentioned that it should be 1st come 1st serve...
backed off of that
then suggested that Joe promote Charles to a new spot give him some shine...charles being the soldier declined... and Marlo let it go.... the camera pans to Cheese...who we know is hungry as hell looking for some shine
Genius
Stringer got to do what he pleased because he was friends with Avon, on the strength of Avon's family name he was allowed to operate and move... string had no name by himself, he carried the barksdale name with him. i saw this rewatching all of the seasons.
Hey, dickhead. If you watch the show then you saw the scene I posted below which I mentioned in a previous post which you never answered. Anyway, watch this scene and know that this all happened while Avon was in jail.
i understand what you're saying.. i don't think he was saying stringer was unintelligent.
i believe stringer to be very intelligent.
but in most cases he was really out of his element. he did things he thought were for the best when they weren't
i agree with stringer making the deal with prop joe but stringer wasn't a man about it. he was scared of avon whether yall would like to believe it or not. Avon been checking String since the buy bust ordeal with Orlando went sour.
He should have went to Avon told him what was up and told him to send the brother home that he wasn't needed and that this was the only way to keep it going while he was in jail.. and if he felt different once he got out then they could go from there.
Instead he tries to be a mastermind and puts Omar against the brother to try and eliminate the brother and make shit even with Omar... when that shit wasn't even necessary and directly ended up being his demise...
Like you kill dangelo when you didn't have to but you did it behind your "brother's back" and didn't fess up to it until you were upset cause he called you out for not listening to him in the first place about some of the moves and money he was putting into the properties and getting took by clay davis...
Come on man, you didn't see that D was weak? Avon wanted Wallace dead because he thought he MIGHT snitch but D snitch on the whole family, if he wasn't kin to Avon he would have ordered that shyt himself.
Avon himself talking to Weebay said that D has always been weak and that he always tried to bring him along. So it wasn't a matter of whether he was weak or not. It was how he played it.
You're gonna do it, man up and do it. Don't hide it from Avon for years having him thinking it was on him....You remember how hard Avon took it? He was damn near depressed about it and Stringer let that shit be. I'm not even gonna mention how Avon sent him to D's baby mama house to get her to go visit D and he was too busy trying to smash her to even get the point across..
And if he would've never gotten taken by Clay
he would've NEVER told avon that he had D killed.
see what i mean? Even when mcnulty was asking he was playing the dude is just a cop card... he didn't come clean until He wanted clay hit and Avon called him on his softness, rightfully so
and you're right he did tell him and avon said no which goes to my point of ranking...
but STILL he should have told avon or convinced avon on it and told him this is what it is.
we have no product no line to it no other way if we want the towers we take this package give up 3 when you get out we take all 6 back and we take the connect... avon would've went for that.
You need to go back and read cranrab's posts, HE IS SAYING THAT STRINGER WAS STUPID, FROM THE BEGINNING!!!
That's why he's saying that there was never ANY proof that String er was nothing more than a hanger on, MY point of contention is that Stringer started out smart and his dream of becoming "the bank" made him make stupid moves, but having "D" killed WAS NOT one of them!
D'angelo's talking to the police ALREADY HAD Wee-Bay picked up in Philly, he was acting out of pocket with Avon in prison, and had already blown up @ Stringer (WHERE'S WALLACE STRING, WHERE'S WALLACE?!?!?"
Stringer himself made no mistakes in Season 1.
You're also giving Avon a little too much credit, of course NONE of it goes down w/o Avon, but the same way Stringer's judgement was clouded by his dream, so was Avon's in keeping his name on the street.
He even said so himself when he was arested @ the safehouse.
Stringer went to Avon several times telling him that their product was ABSOLUTE GARBAGE, that they needed to make a deal with Prop Joe, but Avon stubbornly refused, they wouldn't have been making ANY MONEY AT ALL if Stringer didn't make that move himself.
The writers showed that throughout the series EVERYTHING always remains in flux, and that each and every character had their flaws.
Including Avon.
He would have NEVER given the go ahead to take out D'angelo for 2 reasons, he was his nephew AND he felt responsible since it was him who told D to pick up that shipment.
Also, you need to look closer @ the whole Brother/Omar situation, quiet as kept it actually looked to me as if Prop Joe set THE WHOLE THING UP, using Stringer!
Remember when Brother shot Cheese, Cheese immediately went to Prop Joe at which time Joe said something like "We've got a problem, unless..." and then the next scene is Stringer meeting up with Omar for the second time and telling him about Brother!
Oh, and Avon was STRICTLY about GIVING UP NOTHING!!!
Giving up ANYTHING shows that you're weak in Avon's eyes, that was what Stringer was trying to convince him of when he was in prison, but Avon wasn't trying to hear that!!!
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cranrab is good.
very convincing but very wrong bout stringer bell.
very convincing but very wrong bout stringer bell.
I think stringer was intelligent but not as intelligent in either world as he thought he was. I don't agree with him having d killed.. i don't think it was stupid but how he carried it made it weak.
He took the years though.
That's a lie. When the whole Orlando thing came about he gave the ok for weebay and little man to rob and kill Orlando in the drug trade situation. That was a huge mistake and Avon called him on it questioning where would Orlando get $30,000, to which Stringer admitted that it was his bad for giving the ok to do the shit.
That's the difference, Avon's concerns were real, Stringer was dreaming. Avon's family was involved in the game full force, if he didn't have that then he had nothing. He couldn't wait on everything else to go through, he needed to protect everything he worked for now. If/when the buildings and everything else came through, I doubt Avon would've had any problem falling back. He was a soldier and protector of the only thing he had which was those corners.
Every time Stringer went to Avon he went to him saying the product was bad....so Avon being a problem solver tried to reach to different connections to get good dope, none of them worked out but not for lack of trying. He came with the deal with prop joe AFTER D was killed...prop joe didn't even come into the mix until the funeral for D. Before that the product was garbage and he was trying to find a good supply.
Stringer never got to the real point he was too busy being scared to say something...He should have just flat out said that Joe got raw, all our connects are gone, we need this product to make money. Instead he always played it on some I'll try and plant a bug in your ear and then he'll come around.
As soon as he played it from an angle of well weebay and them locked up so we can't hold it down....Avon reached out for the brother. If he had just simply said they can hold the towers, we have no product no connect but joe got raw i think things would have played differently.
Of course Avon had his flaws He cared about family to the point of ignoring things. He was obsessed with keeping his corners and didn't really want to make a transition.
Avon was a fighter in a fighting drug game and he knew what time it was. The thing I don't understand that some of you (not you personally) don't get is the only people that played the game how its supposed to be played in all aspects...at least survived.
Dudes so busy trying to make it something that its not, they don't even see their own demise coming. Stringer and Joe both.
Stringer should have made the decision and then came to Avon with everything he tried to come at Avon with after he called him out. Avon understood when Stringer told him about it in season 4 didn't he? Didn't tell his sister right?
If Stringer would've never gotten taken by Clay
He would've never fessed up to having D'angelo killed, ever.
Nah that was Stringer. Prop was the buffer on Stringer's orders. Prop came to butchie to set it up remember? From the jump prop joe wanted nothing to do with Brother, nothing and he didn't want omar on him either. He told string flat out that was his problem he had the dope so it was up to him to make everything else go away.
Joe spoke on the options, cheese wanted to go after him he said many tried all died then he wanted the put a bounty on him he said he might as well shoot himself. He had the idea for Omar to help out but it was Stringer who went through with it trying to put those two to take each other out.
Thats why i laugh when people try to make prop joe somehow cool and straight up when he was nothing of the sort he got dirt on him like everyone else.
Yea but somehow he magically came around once brother wasn't in the mix anymore?
i saw this was bumped back to the first page, so i took a look.
of course, my name is popping up. no problem.
yes, stringer was stupid from DAY ONE. avon barksdale carried stringer bell.
you and others cling to romantic notions, not substance. i get that. and it's ok.
the proof is in your objection. you earlier claimed that i singled out stringer bell. if you believe that to be true, then it is obvious you hold a myopic and distorted view, unable to read my comments objectively. i have acknowledged that many other characters, including avon barksdale and prop joe were flawed. but you have made it very clear that you desire to stridently defend stringer bell. why? because you are emotionally invested in that character for whatever reason.
as for the struggling comedian in our midst (not a diss, his actual stated profession), he is sadly trapped in a world of illusion. apparently, a fictional character enrolling in (community) college courses MUST mean that the character is intelligent. maybe in his world. not in mine. but that's ok. the wire is a good show for different reasons to all levels of viewers.
no need to address people as dickhead. especially when your own post makes it clear that YOU are the dickhead.
this video is a testament to how monumentally stupid stringer bell is. begin with the rules of conduct he has imposed on the meeting. oh, but i forgot. you're very impressed by the fancy protocol. carry on with that admiration.
for actual business heads, we know that a superior product without plentiful distribution channels to meet demand is worthless. real world example: apple doesn't limit sales to apple store retail locations. you can also purchase at retail from target or best buy. sadly, a young BGOL member listening to an inexperienced buffoon such as yourself (or stringer bell) might mistakenly believe that product trumps distribution.
second, you claimed i never responded to the video. i did several times. it was you who never responded to my question of GROSS v. NET. because you don't know what those terms reference?
and since you're going to have to google anyway, respond to: how was stringer bell's ROI on the specific arrangement referenced in your video. additionally, what were the long term dividends?
edit: had to add, thanks for posting the video. it clearly points to the vast paradigm shift string bell underwent. just like other sheep.
stringer bell isn't stupid, just doesn't know the business rules of the game, which is why he is taking econ101 at community college.
that apple analogy is a false dichotomy.
taking a weeder course at a community college does not prove not stupid.
taking a weeder course at a community college does not prove intelligent.
taking a weeder course at a community college does not prove the ability to synthesize knowledge proffered.
tighten up your knowledge of fallacies. the real world apple example is not a false dichotomy when speaking about DISTRIBUTION CHANNELS.
low blow.
i like how u at least try to support the points that you make but the bottom line is that david simon and them gave every major character strengths and weaknesses to show that everybody is flawed yet everybody has some redeeming value. for u to just act like stringer is this 1 bumbling retarded fuckup in every sense doesnt even make sense if based on nothing other than how we all know they developed characters on the series.
i think it pissed u off that cats werent accepting ur original analysis of stringer so u just doubled down on the hate bro.
low blow.
sincerely wasn't mean as an insult. merely stating fact.
i've said as much myself, so no disagreement.
couldn't be further from the truth.
stringer bell was a bumbling stooge. fans that somehow identify with stringer bell dislike it when their favorite character's actions are considered stupid. just the way things work. not a phenomenon limited to THE WIRE. so the fanboys get incensed, or enraged and they lash out with ad hominem like petulant children. understood.
television shows like to have dumb characters in the cast: joey in friends, kelso in that 70's show, stringer bell in the wire.
according to the fanboy logic, it is REASONABLE to say that prop joe's organization was successful due in large part to the contributions of drac and cheese.
comparing character development in friends and that 70's show to the wire = fail bro.
i apologize if i was not clear before.
i was in NO WAY referring to character development. most certainly, i was not comparing character development across shows.
i was referring, rather, to character as foil used in plot development.
Im sorry but Stringer was an idiot
he forgot what was most important....The Corners
Avon knew this
Marlo knew this
Stringer just gave them away
Although the Barkdales had an inferior product, it didnt matter....the junkies were going to buy it regardless.. (we learned that season 1)
but those corners were everything
whoever ruled the corners, ruled the game
Stringer was a failure
he forgot what was most important....The Corners
Avon knew this
Marlo knew this
Stringer just gave them away
Although the Barkdales had an inferior product, it didnt matter....the junkies were going to buy it regardless.. (we learned that season 1)
but those corners were everything
whoever ruled the corners, ruled the game
Stringer was a failure
you fucking hater.
you're just singling stringer bell out. don't you know everyone was flawed, and that nobody on the show was perfect?
"territory ain't shit" - stringer bell
i apologize if i was not clear before.
i was in NO WAY referring to character development. most certainly, i was not comparing character development across shows.
i was referring, rather, to character as foil used in plot development.
all i can say is in all the interviews i've seen, heard and read i've never gotten the feeling that david simon wrote the character as ur describing him.
im not even totally convinced that u believe what ur selling here. i think u might just be doing what u do cuz u can do it.
1 of my favorite all time stringer bell quotes. especially when just seconds prior he had alluded to "japanese and german" cars in the united states!
stringer bell was brilliant(ly garbed).
another real world example: kia motors.
do americans have to import them from korea? no.
do californians have to import them from georgia? no.
why? because there are several HUNDRED kia dealerships in the united states.
http://find.mapmuse.com/brand/kia-dealers
"territory ain't shit" - stringer bell
man stringer had some good qualities too
but in that game he just gave away way too much and got hustled way too easily
what did Avon tell him, he was playing at too many away games or some shit
and thats why he was a failure...he lost the corners and his mind, trying to integrate with the real thugs
hell Marlo only rose to power because of Stringers failures
let me be clear. fans of THE SHOW should not be upset by stringer bell being discussed as an incompetent fool. after all, it was clearly his acts of pure stupidity that propelled the show along for many episodes.
as stated before, fans of THE FICTIONAL CHARACTER vehemently object to the truth based off of their irrational emotional attachment.
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