You wanna talk "Tangibles" House Democrats to Pass Their Own Stimulus Bill Despite Ongoing Talks with Mnuchin

[geechiedan]

Do you even understand that with 18/hr minimum wage people will not be able to keep up with the money created the last 18 months? Do you understand that how fucked people are goes past blue and red at this point? I mean it always has, but now it is crazy as hell.

People are fucked now more than ever before. Wealth gap is about to get even fucking crazier. The folks who can least afford to are being distracted the most by crumbs.

its all numbers in a ledger they make up and move arbitrarily. The same billions described as "crumbs" that go to poor people are the same billions fortune 500 companies get when they fuck up and they fuck up ALOT. How many recessions we have and how many times have tax payers had to bail out banks and airlines in the last 30 years?? Seems like a crisis every ten years with them and BILLIONS go out the fuckin the door and into their pockets. Never seems to draw as much anger for some reason.

 

[Soul On Ice]

Thread been inactive since November.

 

[KingTaharqa]

Watch how much posting his CAC ass does tomorrow over a Diamond League track meet. He gon get the Caribbean's hype in their anti-Blackness

 

[geechiedan]

Watch how much posting his CAC ass does tomorrow over a Diamond League track meet. He gon get the Caribbean's hype in their anti-Blackness

still haven't contributed...

 

[Supersav]

an increase in the child tax credit.. something intended to reduce childhood poverty dramatically. Since the black community is largely negatively impacted by poverty we should be positively impacted by the measure.

now considering the fact that SOMEBODY was gonna take that office....who did you want in 2020?? NAME ANYONE OTHER THAN BIDEN OR TRUMP. Just toss out a name of a candidate you liked...

Let's start with facts. The child tax credit won't reduce childhood poverty dramatically. Jobs and actual capital will reduce poverty.

 

[geechiedan]

Let's start with facts. The child tax credit won't reduce childhood poverty dramatically. Jobs and actual capital will reduce poverty.

duly noted...and the 2nd part of that question...

 

[Supersav]

duly noted...and the 2nd part of that question...

I don't like any of them because their political wants and needs don't align with my people's struggle. For our success would mean the end to theirs. Capitalism needs the ultra poor to thrive

 

[geechiedan]

I don't like any of them because their political wants and needs don't align with my people's struggle. For our success would mean the end to theirs. Capitalism needs the ultra poor to thrive

I understand that but short of a bloody revolution (and thats not an exaggeration) how would that be achieved? Its all progressives like AOC can do to just stay in the fight.

 

[gene cisco]

its all numbers in a ledger they make up and move arbitrarily. The same billions described as "crumbs" that go to poor people are the same billions fortune 500 companies get when they fuck up and they fuck up ALOT. How many recessions we have and how many times have tax payers had to bail out banks and airlines in the last 30 years?? Seems like a crisis every ten years with them and BILLIONS go out the fuckin the door and into their pockets. Never seems to draw as much anger for some reason.

Man. Taxpayers ain't saving shit. This country is creating the fucking money out of debt to fight these recessions you're referring to. You do realize banks create the fucking money that helps to keep this shitshow going, right? You do realize that the 'experts' folks listening to on CNN/FOX didn't even know what a taper fucking was just over a decade ago, right?

Another recession? More debt that inflates the fuck out of everything and slowcooks the people worrying about blue vs red, Trump, Biden, or any other political bullshit. Don't believe me? Check real estate prices and rents. Think they about to let that crash? No, so that means wagie better wage harder. Go vote. Get your pin. Wait until 75, retire, crawl in the box.

What is going to draw attention? Tell me. You think the average creature is going to catch on that any fucking idiot can vote but that they need to be accredited investors to do the cool voting with their money? You know, because poor people need to be protected from wealth.

The biggest transfer of wealth is happening and folks arguing about learning fucking history, pronoun fuckery, and other dumb shit instead of finance. If folks knew that they were in a big FED experiment, I bet all this blue/red shit would be pushed to the side.

If ever was a time for the black community to stand up to democrats, it's now. Because everyone who ain't in the 1 percent is so close to being fucked it ain't even funny.

 

[Supersav]

Man. Taxpayers ain't saving shit. This country is creating the fucking money out of debt to fight these recessions you're referring to. You do realize banks create the fucking money that helps to keep this shitshow going, right? You do realize that the 'experts' folks listening to on CNN/FOX didn't even know what a taper fucking was just over a decade ago, right?

Another recession? More debt that inflates the fuck out of everything and slowcooks the people worrying about blue vs red, Trump, Biden, or any other political bullshit. Don't believe me? Check real estate prices and rents. Think they about to let that crash? No, so that means wagie better wage harder. Go vote. Get your pin. Wait until 75, retire, crawl in the box.

What is going to draw attention? Tell me. You think the average creature is going to catch on that any fucking idiot can vote but that they need to be accredited investors to do the cool voting with their money? You know, because poor people need to be protected from wealth.

The biggest transfer of wealth is happening and folks arguing about learning fucking history, pronoun fuckery, and other dumb shit instead of finance. If folks knew that they were in a big FED experiment, I bet all this blue/red shit would be pushed to the side.

If ever was a time for the black community to stand up to democrats, it's now. Because everyone who ain't in the 1 percent is so close to being fucked it ain't even funny.

This kinda talk isn't allowed but you're 100% correct

 

[ballscout1]

Currently, experts estimate that direct subsidies to the fossil fuel industry total around $20 billion every year, $15 billion of that from the federal government

US Corporate Welfare: 1. What Is It? Where Is The Money Going? How Big Is It? - The Informed Vermonter

“Corporate Welfare” refers to government subsidies given to businesses. There are many hundreds of corporate and business subsidy programs provided by the federal government as well as local and state governments. Generally speaking, these subsidy programs can be classified into five categories...

theinformedvermonter.com

Now tell me about that child tax credit and those stimulus checks and how they are really helping people?

Not to mention they are temporary but what corps and big oil get is ongoing

 

[geechiedan]

Currently, experts estimate that direct subsidies to the fossil fuel industry total around $20 billion every year, $15 billion of that from the federal government

US Corporate Welfare: 1. What Is It? Where Is The Money Going? How Big Is It? - The Informed Vermonter

“Corporate Welfare” refers to government subsidies given to businesses. There are many hundreds of corporate and business subsidy programs provided by the federal government as well as local and state governments. Generally speaking, these subsidy programs can be classified into five categories...

theinformedvermonter.com

Now tell me about that child tax credit and those stimulus checks and how they are really helping people?

Not to mention they are temporary but what corps and big oil get is ongoing

seems to me the point of this SHOULD be to not make poor people feel shame for taking money they need..but that always seems to be the tactic. belittle poor and working class people for doing exactly what billion-dollar industries do on the regular.

 

[gene cisco]

This kinda talk isn't allowed but you're 100% correct

They need people asleep and fighting over bullshit.

Currently, experts estimate that direct subsidies to the fossil fuel industry total around $20 billion every year, $15 billion of that from the federal government

US Corporate Welfare: 1. What Is It? Where Is The Money Going? How Big Is It? - The Informed Vermonter

“Corporate Welfare” refers to government subsidies given to businesses. There are many hundreds of corporate and business subsidy programs provided by the federal government as well as local and state governments. Generally speaking, these subsidy programs can be classified into five categories...

theinformedvermonter.com

Now tell me about that child tax credit and those stimulus checks and how they are really helping people?

Not to mention they are temporary but what corps and big oil get is ongoing

Money will always find its way to the smart and cunning. Problem is the smart and cunning in the black community have been selling the community out for scraps. Votes to settle the scores of which elite assholes get paid are worth more than what the community is getting.

 

[ballscout1]

seems to me the point of this SHOULD be to not make poor people feel shame for taking money they need..but that always seems to be the tactic. belittle poor and working class people for doing exactly what billion-dollar industries do on the regular.

I am starting to believe you are a troll or an agent as some have accused.

Your responses are asinine.

The point is the scarps should not be needed and should not be applauded when those that don't need it get the lion's share.

6 thousand dollars of stimulus checks will not come close to changing anybody's situation. Or make them financially viable.

people don't need a bump to make them feel better they need better, pay for affordable education better healthcare., affordable housing that isn't in the bricks or in the hood... a month after a stimulus check they won't be able to show they benefitted but those corporations will be able to show they sold more goods.

Not only that but those who surpass their artificial salary limits are also hurt by covid....a single parent making 85k won't get stimulus or food stamps or any other benefit and their bills are higher....They work just as hard to give their children the benefit of being able to play outside without catching a stray hot one. but they aren't entitled to the assistance that might allow them to maintain that?

So is me with that it's a great compassionate thing...It's bullshit smoke and mirrors designed to make them look like they care

But if those corporations didn't get billions it wouldn't change their situations either.

Oil companies would still be among the most profitable without their stimulus.

 

[xfactor]

the money and banking system the international banking cartels run globally is brilliant.

fools still don’t understand it and don’t even try but OP is still arguing about futile bullshit.

 

[geechiedan]

I am starting to believe you are a troll or an agent as some have accused.

Your responses are asinine.

The point is the scarps should not be needed and should not be applauded when those that don't need it get the lion's share.

6 thousand dollars of stimulus checks will not come close to changing anybody's situation. Or make them financially viable.

people don't need a bump to make them feel better they need better, pay for affordable education better healthcare., affordable housing that isn't in the bricks or in the hood... a month after a stimulus check they won't be able to show they benefitted but those corporations will be able to show they sold more goods.

Not only that but those who surpass their artificial salary limits are also hurt by covid....a single parent making 85k won't get stimulus or food stamps or any other benefit and their bills are higher....They work just as hard to give their children the benefit of being able to play outside without catching a stray hot one. but they aren't entitled to the assistance that might allow them to maintain that?

So is me with that it's a great compassionate thing...It's bullshit smoke and mirrors designed to make them look like they care

But if those corporations didn't get billions it wouldn't change their situations either.

Oil companies would still be among the most profitable without their stimulus.

all I'm saying is going rants about how the poor and working class are fools for taking scraps doesn't change the system. Its easy to say that if youre in a position where you don't need the "scraps" and its easy to look down your nose at those who do.

looking at the exchange between you and I its clear we're talking past each other.

But this part right here:

Not only that but those who surpass their artificial salary limits are also hurt by covid....a single parent making 85k won't get stimulus or food stamps or any other benefit and their bills are higher....They work just as hard to give their children the benefit of being able to play outside without catching a stray hot one. but they aren't entitled to the assistance that might allow them to maintain that?

So miss me with that it's a great compassionate thing...It's bullshit smoke and mirrors designed to make them look like they care

okay so whats the issue here?? are you angry because the stimulus and programs don't help PERIOD or are you angry because YOU fell thru the net because your financial status doesn't qualify you for it? you say a single parent making 85k won't get stimulus or food stamps or any other benefit and their bills are higher but they aren't entitled to the assistance that might allow them to maintain that?

but earlier you said

6 thousand dollars of stimulus checks will not come close to changing anybody's situation. Or make them financially viable.

but will it allow that single parent making 85k to maintain their situation (even if you scale it up for their financial level)??

whats your argument here..either its helps BUT HOW they're executing it is BULLSHIT or its BULLSHIT PERIOD EVEN FOR THE SINGLE PARENT MAKING 85k



youre saying the system is fucked and I'm saying it is what it is but people STILL have to live and eat TODAY. And all the other things you said about needng better, pay, affordable education and better healthcare and affordable housing... Isn't that what progressives have been elected on? And in the last 30 years there are a lot of more progressives elected than there have been before as far as I can tell.

So people are waking up to all the things you're talking about but the process of changing it is just not coming fast enough to make anyone happy.

 

[ballscout1]

 

[geechiedan]

what you said was neither profound, different or enlightening..its the same bitch and moan people been saying since the USA became the USA

yeah I can do that too

 

[Mo-Better]

The only difference in these two bills that affect me directly are the cash payments. I wouldn't get one under the dems. I will get one under the repubs.

So are you saying you can be bought? To hell with the issues that might benefit our people. families and neighbors? If the republicans are offering something more than the democrats better believe its to get your vote. They offer you a bone for your soul.

FYI we all could use more money but what will it cost us in the long run is the question, we all need to ask ourselves. Since when have the republicans given a damn about about non republicans. They're trying to take away your democracy, as Obama stated in his farewell address. Do you really want a Trump elevated to a kings status? A proven fuck up? Placed in a position of authority possibly for forever. I shuddered just typing that. I do see January 6th being the new norm in America. Change those stars on our flag to swastikas.

 

[ballscout1]

Homtional much ?

Why are you still defending AmeriKKka to me ?

And why are you quoting a post of mine that didn't quote anything you have posted so it's not like you were answering something specific to you ?

But let me fix it for you since I am in such a giving mood today

what you said was neither profound, different or enlightening..its the same bitch and moan you people been saying since the USA became the USA

enjoy your holiday...

 

[yureeka9]

So are you saying you can be bought? To hell with the issues that might benefit our people. families and neighbors? If the republicans are offering something more than the democrats better believe its to get your vote. They offer you a bone for your soul.

FYI we all could use more money but what will it cost us in the long run is the question, we all need to ask ourselves. Since when have the republicans given a damn about about non republicans. They're trying to take away your democracy, as Obama stated in his farewell address. Do you really want a Trump elevated to a kings status? A proven fuck up? Placed in a position of authority possibly for forever. I shuddered just typing that. I do see January 6th being the new norm in America. Change those stars on our flag to swastikas.

Nope, not saying I'm for sell at all. I'm saying I'm simply not even in the market. I try to live a life where politics and policy is all academic. The crumbs I'd receive under the republican plan makes me no difference. I was just stating a fact. I'm not engaged in this circus at all. I've transcended the decisions crooked politicians make. I'll be fine under any regime. I think being able to fly above it all keeps you from being for sell by either side and that's where black people need be.

 

[geechiedan]

Homtional much ?

Why are you still defending AmeriKKka to me ?

And why are you quoting a post of mine that didn't quote anything you have posted so it's not like you were answering something specific to you ?

But let me fix it for you since I am in such a giving mood today




enjoy your holiday...

If you think I was defending America then you're as wrong about that as you think I am about your posts..

 

[ballscout1]

 

[Mo-Better]

Nope, not saying I'm for sell at all. I'm saying I'm simply not even in the market. I try to live a life where politics and policy is all academic. The crumbs I'd receive under the republican plan makes me no difference. I was just stating a fact. I'm not engaged in this circus at all. I've transcended the decisions crooked politicians make. I'll be fine under any regime. I think being able to fly above it all keeps you from being for sell by either side and that's where black people need be.

That's all I wanted to hear.

 

[Supersav]

 

[D24OHA]

Manchin is a mfkn snake.....

Someone needs to make him switch sides already

 

[gene cisco]

Nope, not saying I'm for sell at all. I'm saying I'm simply not even in the market. I try to live a life where politics and policy is all academic. The crumbs I'd receive under the republican plan makes me no difference. I was just stating a fact. I'm not engaged in this circus at all. I've transcended the decisions crooked politicians make. I'll be fine under any regime. I think being able to fly above it all keeps you from being for sell by either side and that's where black people need be.

I feel you on that shit.

Manchin is a mfkn snake.....

Someone needs to make him switch sides already

The thing is Manchin could make Biden look like a great man. Could make Kamala look great. All they got to do is hype up promises they know he will block. But they can't even do that shit.

Instead, the perception is Biden isn't even putting up a fight. Kamala is even worse. It's like she is in hiding. It really is like Manchin is president. He talking the most shit in the media.

 

[xfactor]

Manchin is a mfkn snake.....

Someone needs to make him switch sides already

both sides are the same. He would just be switching jersey colors like players do during a basketball scrimmage in practice.

It is really unfathomable that people still don’t understand this. People actually making Manchin out to be the most powerful man in US politics

 

[Supersav]

an increase in the child tax credit.. something intended to reduce childhood poverty dramatically. Since the black community is largely negatively impacted by poverty we should be positively impacted by the measure.

now considering the fact that SOMEBODY was gonna take that office....who did you want in 2020?? NAME ANYONE OTHER THAN BIDEN OR TRUMP. Just toss out a name of a candidate you liked...

 

[xfactor]

That’s the problem with the sheep now and the whole “lesser of two evils” mentally. The pro-whites are so broken mentally, they can’t think of any solutions but to continually vote Democrat. It is like a junkie hooked on a drug.

Sitting out one election would change the political system overnight but the pro-whites are too shortsighted and mentally weak to do it.

 

[geechiedan]

That’s the problem with the sheep now and the whole “lesser of two evils” mentally. The pro-whites are so broken mentally, they can’t think of any solutions but to continually vote Democrat. It is like a junkie hooked on a drug.

Sitting out one election would change the political system overnight but the pro-whites are too shortsighted and mentally weak to do it.

Yeah it would work if EVERYONE or even most people across the country did it. But they won't. And the machine will keep going regardless. Your "solution" is as much fantasy as you think everything else is.

 

[Supersav]

 

[AllUniverse17]

I have an idea for the other 50%.

Parents.

 

[Supersav]

I have an idea for the other 50%.

Parents.

Yes let's blame the parents for job discrimination and

 

[AllUniverse17]

Yes let's blame the parents for job discrimination and

No blame involved.

Parents cannot depend on government money to pay 100% of their children's expenses.

The government should help. Parents should be the first group that receives help IMHO. I think the last bill was a good proposal as far as parents are involved.

What's your problem with the child tax credit?