Will the Lakers make the Playoffs???
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Re: Will the fakers make the Playoffs???
never let it be said i don't own up to my mistaken estimations.
the fakers lost the 6th spot tonight (for how long?), as denver took 6th, moving the fakers into 7th.
i already acknowledged my prediction of 50 games was faulty. don't tell me a prediction of 40 wins is too many too.
cranrab said:
never let it be said i don't own up to my mistaken estimations.
the fakers lost the 6th spot tonight (for how long?), as denver took 6th, moving the fakers into 7th.
i already acknowledged my prediction of 50 games was faulty. don't tell me a prediction of 40 wins is too many too.
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Inside Hoops Kobe Dickriders getting a dose of reality
The Illusion DIES:!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
From inside hoops............
Even Kobe fans couldn't ignore the no name lighting him up....
Originally Posted by RedBlackAttack
This is not meant to be 'ha8te' for Kobe, but I think he has lost a step this season. It is most noticable on defense. I always thought his defense was a little overrated, but he was always better than what he has shown this year. Guys seem to be going right at him.
I think his 10+ years in the league are starting to show. I never thought a 28 year old would be past his prime, but I think Kobe is beginning to reach that point. He can't take over games like he once could. He can't shut down defenders like he once could. He just isn't as dominating.
These guys that came straight into the league out of high school. I think they are on a different career arc than guys that played 2, 3, or 4 years of college ball. Once you reach 10 years in the NBA, your skills start to diminish, regardless of age. All of those games catch up to you.
I can see it in Kobe.
It's true but it's not because of 10 years in the league. It's because of a 2nd knee surgery and yes, he has definitely lost a step. I don't see anything wrong with you saying that. I think it's obvious to anyone who spent only 5 minutes of watching Kobe this year.
Still, I hope that he improves himself somehow this summer.
He always had some insane summer workouts, like one summer he added tons of muscle, one summer he run every day, all day and he was in a perfect running shape etc..
I don't know what is good for him at this point, bulking up again might be a decent idea since he has lost a step anyway so why not get stronger but IDK, the additional weight could also damage his knee..
If he does cardio all day, every day how much can he really improve?
Dunno, guess we"ll have to see.
People forget that the guy wasn't able to run all summer long, he came to play completely out of shape and it was the third game of the season and yet he's still averaging decent numbers...
He has lost a step but he's still the least of the Lakers problems IMO...although he may become their number 1 problem soon because I don't know how much he can take this.
People are starting to turn on him, like today I've heard on the radio that he's the problem because ever since Shaq left the Lakers have been mediocre with Kobe as a leader..
This is definitely doing damage to his legacy, we"ll see how he responds if this continues...
kobe does look old out there. his career is clearly headed down the toilet, i mean when a h8r like me feels too sorry for him to rip on him, you know he's playing bad.
The only thing wearing Kobe out is carrying all these pathetic players on his back...
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The just doesn't seem to have a very solid grasp of when to do each thing
When he can't count on consistency from anyone on the team, he has to force stuff too often...
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The Illusion DIES:!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
From inside hoops............
Even Kobe fans couldn't ignore the no name lighting him up....
Originally Posted by RedBlackAttack
This is not meant to be 'ha8te' for Kobe, but I think he has lost a step this season. It is most noticable on defense. I always thought his defense was a little overrated, but he was always better than what he has shown this year. Guys seem to be going right at him.
I think his 10+ years in the league are starting to show. I never thought a 28 year old would be past his prime, but I think Kobe is beginning to reach that point. He can't take over games like he once could. He can't shut down defenders like he once could. He just isn't as dominating.
These guys that came straight into the league out of high school. I think they are on a different career arc than guys that played 2, 3, or 4 years of college ball. Once you reach 10 years in the NBA, your skills start to diminish, regardless of age. All of those games catch up to you.
I can see it in Kobe.
It's true but it's not because of 10 years in the league. It's because of a 2nd knee surgery and yes, he has definitely lost a step. I don't see anything wrong with you saying that. I think it's obvious to anyone who spent only 5 minutes of watching Kobe this year.
Still, I hope that he improves himself somehow this summer.
He always had some insane summer workouts, like one summer he added tons of muscle, one summer he run every day, all day and he was in a perfect running shape etc..
I don't know what is good for him at this point, bulking up again might be a decent idea since he has lost a step anyway so why not get stronger but IDK, the additional weight could also damage his knee..
If he does cardio all day, every day how much can he really improve?
Dunno, guess we"ll have to see.
People forget that the guy wasn't able to run all summer long, he came to play completely out of shape and it was the third game of the season and yet he's still averaging decent numbers...
He has lost a step but he's still the least of the Lakers problems IMO...although he may become their number 1 problem soon because I don't know how much he can take this.
People are starting to turn on him, like today I've heard on the radio that he's the problem because ever since Shaq left the Lakers have been mediocre with Kobe as a leader..
This is definitely doing damage to his legacy, we"ll see how he responds if this continues...
kobe does look old out there. his career is clearly headed down the toilet, i mean when a h8r like me feels too sorry for him to rip on him, you know he's playing bad.
The only thing wearing Kobe out is carrying all these pathetic players on his back...
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The just doesn't seem to have a very solid grasp of when to do each thing
When he can't count on consistency from anyone on the team, he has to force stuff too often...
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cranrab said:never let it be said i don't own up to my mistaken estimations.
the fakers lost the 6th spot tonight (for how long?), as dallas took 6th, moving the fakers into 7th.
i already acknowledged my prediction of 50 games was faulty. don't tell me a prediction of 40 wins is too many too.
I tell you what
They play Portland tonight....Their plane was late and they didnt get back from Denver until this morning
Back to back and getting in late with the team clearly having locker room issues...(that Phil "witch hunt" shit was over the top in the comedy dept).....I smell loss number 8....Kobe's old number.....
I see Kobe starting to sell out his coach and teammates....
Be careful what you wish for Kobe.......
BTW......How is Shaq doing with his team?....are they any good??
First Time in Laker History: Consecutive losses of 25 points of more.
DENVER -- Not a good day or night for Phil Jackson thanks to the NBA and Linas Kleiza.
Jackson got fined $50,000 for accusing the league of having a vendetta against Kobe Bryant, then lost a seventh straight game for the first time in his 16-year coaching career Thursday night when the Los Angeles Lakers fell to the Denver Nuggets 113-86.
Kleiza scored a career-high 29 points and Carmelo Anthony had 26 as the Nuggets handed the Lakers their 13th loss in 16 games.
"That's great when you've got a guy coming off the bench contributing the way he has," Allen Iverson said of Kleiza, who scored 24 against Sacramento on Sunday. "He never cares about starting or anything like that. When his opportunity comes, he's just always ready."
Kleiza shrugged off his career night:
"It was just one of those games where the shots were going down. Melo and Iverson were doing a great job sharing the ball," he said.
Kleiza was doing a great job putting it through the hoops, hitting 10-of-13 shots, including 5-of-6 from the arc.
Iverson couldn't have picked Kleiza out of a crowd when he came over from Philadelphia three months ago but said the second-year forward was the catalyst for the Nuggets' biggest win since the trade.
"I didn't know who he was when I got here, but a nationally televised game, I think a lot of people around the world know who he is now," Iverson said.
Iverson added 14 points and 13 assists and Marcus Camby had 11 points and 14 boards for the Nuggets, who moved into a tie with the Lakers for the sixth spot in the Western Conference playoff race.
Bryant's 25 points led the free-falling Lakers, who couldn't capitalize on the return of Luke Walton and Lamar Odom despite building a double-digit lead in a mostly stellar first half.
Anthony scored 10 points in a 24-10 run that Denver used to close the third quarter and take an 87-72 lead and turn the game into a blowout. Even the Nuggets, who have lost 10 games in which they led after three quarters, couldn't blow that big of a lead.
Camby's alley-oop dunk made it 92-72 and the Nuggets enjoyed a rare blowout at the Pepsi Center, where they are just 18-17.
Earlier in the day, Jackson and the Lakers were fined $50,000 apiece by the NBA after the coach said the league was conducting a "witch hunt" against Bryant.
"I thought you only get fined for criticizing the officiating," Jackson said before tip-off. "They're the sacred cows. But I find out somebody else has a sacred cow somewhere else."
Bryant recently received two one-game suspensions this season for striking players in the face after taking a shot. The league retroactively assessed Bryant with a flagrant foul for an elbow to Philadelphia's Kyle Korver last week, a play that didn't even draw a foul.
Bryant picked up three fouls in a 90-second span in the third quarter Thursday night while the Nuggets, who closed the first half on a 13-2 run, were pulling away.
"The third quarter it just caved in on us," Bryant said.
With Brian Cook (ankle) not making the trip, both Walton and Odom returned to the Lakers' lineup. Odom hadn't played since tearing the labrum in his left shoulder March 2 and Walton had been sidelined since spraining his right ankle Jan. 26.
They started along with Kwame Brown, who missed 27 games with a sprained ankle before returning March 2. He replaced 19-year-old Andrew Bynum at center. Walton had 13 points and Odom scored nine.
"Luke Walton ran out of gas and Lamar Odom is just not ready to play," Jackson said.
A winded Odom went scoreless after halftime.
"He didn't have a good second half," Jackson said. "He did a good job on Carmelo. He hit a couple of shots then and Kobe wanted to switch onto him."
Said Odom: "I didn't have much tonight. The game took a lot out of me. I had some problems with Carmelo. It made sense to make the switch."
Despite it all, Bryant saw glimpses of a looming recovery.
"With Lamar back, we saw flashes of what we're capable of in the first half," he said. "We just have to build on that and understand that that's the team we want to make noise with in the playoffs. We have to build with what we have here and Luke and Lamar need to get in basketball shape.
"When that happens we'll feel pretty good."
Jackson will feel a lot better, too.
DENVER -- Not a good day or night for Phil Jackson thanks to the NBA and Linas Kleiza.
Jackson got fined $50,000 for accusing the league of having a vendetta against Kobe Bryant, then lost a seventh straight game for the first time in his 16-year coaching career Thursday night when the Los Angeles Lakers fell to the Denver Nuggets 113-86.
Kleiza scored a career-high 29 points and Carmelo Anthony had 26 as the Nuggets handed the Lakers their 13th loss in 16 games.
"That's great when you've got a guy coming off the bench contributing the way he has," Allen Iverson said of Kleiza, who scored 24 against Sacramento on Sunday. "He never cares about starting or anything like that. When his opportunity comes, he's just always ready."
Kleiza shrugged off his career night:
"It was just one of those games where the shots were going down. Melo and Iverson were doing a great job sharing the ball," he said.
Kleiza was doing a great job putting it through the hoops, hitting 10-of-13 shots, including 5-of-6 from the arc.
Iverson couldn't have picked Kleiza out of a crowd when he came over from Philadelphia three months ago but said the second-year forward was the catalyst for the Nuggets' biggest win since the trade.
"I didn't know who he was when I got here, but a nationally televised game, I think a lot of people around the world know who he is now," Iverson said.
Iverson added 14 points and 13 assists and Marcus Camby had 11 points and 14 boards for the Nuggets, who moved into a tie with the Lakers for the sixth spot in the Western Conference playoff race.
Bryant's 25 points led the free-falling Lakers, who couldn't capitalize on the return of Luke Walton and Lamar Odom despite building a double-digit lead in a mostly stellar first half.
Anthony scored 10 points in a 24-10 run that Denver used to close the third quarter and take an 87-72 lead and turn the game into a blowout. Even the Nuggets, who have lost 10 games in which they led after three quarters, couldn't blow that big of a lead.
Camby's alley-oop dunk made it 92-72 and the Nuggets enjoyed a rare blowout at the Pepsi Center, where they are just 18-17.
Earlier in the day, Jackson and the Lakers were fined $50,000 apiece by the NBA after the coach said the league was conducting a "witch hunt" against Bryant.
"I thought you only get fined for criticizing the officiating," Jackson said before tip-off. "They're the sacred cows. But I find out somebody else has a sacred cow somewhere else."
Bryant recently received two one-game suspensions this season for striking players in the face after taking a shot. The league retroactively assessed Bryant with a flagrant foul for an elbow to Philadelphia's Kyle Korver last week, a play that didn't even draw a foul.
Bryant picked up three fouls in a 90-second span in the third quarter Thursday night while the Nuggets, who closed the first half on a 13-2 run, were pulling away.
"The third quarter it just caved in on us," Bryant said.
With Brian Cook (ankle) not making the trip, both Walton and Odom returned to the Lakers' lineup. Odom hadn't played since tearing the labrum in his left shoulder March 2 and Walton had been sidelined since spraining his right ankle Jan. 26.
They started along with Kwame Brown, who missed 27 games with a sprained ankle before returning March 2. He replaced 19-year-old Andrew Bynum at center. Walton had 13 points and Odom scored nine.
"Luke Walton ran out of gas and Lamar Odom is just not ready to play," Jackson said.
A winded Odom went scoreless after halftime.
"He didn't have a good second half," Jackson said. "He did a good job on Carmelo. He hit a couple of shots then and Kobe wanted to switch onto him."
Said Odom: "I didn't have much tonight. The game took a lot out of me. I had some problems with Carmelo. It made sense to make the switch."
Despite it all, Bryant saw glimpses of a looming recovery.
"With Lamar back, we saw flashes of what we're capable of in the first half," he said. "We just have to build on that and understand that that's the team we want to make noise with in the playoffs. We have to build with what we have here and Luke and Lamar need to get in basketball shape.
"When that happens we'll feel pretty good."
Jackson will feel a lot better, too.
Kobe was responsible for guarding Linas last night. defensively he didn't do his job..
Re: joke of the century
Worst home loss in Laker history
Worst back to back loss as far as point total in LAker History
Longest losing streak of Jacksons career
I didn't think it would be this bad
eewwll said:
Worst home loss in Laker history
Worst back to back loss as far as point total in LAker History
Longest losing streak of Jacksons career
I didn't think it would be this bad
Re: Inside Hoops Kobe Dickriders getting a dose of reality
this is still the incorrect position. these individuals perceive a diminishing of tobe's skills. IN FACT, tobe has never had the skills they imagine he has lost. that is how complete and successful their deception has been.
these types of comments ALWAYS MAKE ME LAUGH. unless you were with tobe EVERY SINGLE DAY while he worked out, you wouldn't be in any position to discuss the nature or length of tobe's workout regimen. FURTHERMORE, unless you were with AT LEAST ONE OTHER player EVERY SINGLE DAY while he worked out (to establish a baseline), you wouldn't be in any position to comment on how rigourous or thorough his workouts are in comparison.
people who make comments like "hardest working" or "insane summer workouts" immediately reveal themselves as buffoons with NO credibility.
i will say this for the record here and now. tobe has NOT lost a step, nor is his game in decline. physically, tobe's skills and abilities are BETTER than what he entered the league with. mentally, tobe's understanding of the game has made NO improvement in a decade. i've always maintained that tobe would be MOST PRODUCTIVE at the SF OFF THE BENCH. the experiment worked in san antonio when they moved manu ginobili to the bench.
People are starting to turn on him, like today I've heard on the radio that he's the problem because ever since Shaq left the Lakers have been mediocre with Kobe as a leader. This is definitely doing damage to his legacy, we"ll see how he responds if this continues...
fakers fans are traditionally fair weather. they'll scapegoat their own mama in a minute. tobe will be the last resort. right now A LOT of people are talking about how the fakers should fire coach jackson.
SpiritualPorn said:
this is still the incorrect position. these individuals perceive a diminishing of tobe's skills. IN FACT, tobe has never had the skills they imagine he has lost. that is how complete and successful their deception has been.
SpiritualPorn said:
these types of comments ALWAYS MAKE ME LAUGH. unless you were with tobe EVERY SINGLE DAY while he worked out, you wouldn't be in any position to discuss the nature or length of tobe's workout regimen. FURTHERMORE, unless you were with AT LEAST ONE OTHER player EVERY SINGLE DAY while he worked out (to establish a baseline), you wouldn't be in any position to comment on how rigourous or thorough his workouts are in comparison.
people who make comments like "hardest working" or "insane summer workouts" immediately reveal themselves as buffoons with NO credibility.
SpiritualPorn said:
i will say this for the record here and now. tobe has NOT lost a step, nor is his game in decline. physically, tobe's skills and abilities are BETTER than what he entered the league with. mentally, tobe's understanding of the game has made NO improvement in a decade. i've always maintained that tobe would be MOST PRODUCTIVE at the SF OFF THE BENCH. the experiment worked in san antonio when they moved manu ginobili to the bench.
People are starting to turn on him, like today I've heard on the radio that he's the problem because ever since Shaq left the Lakers have been mediocre with Kobe as a leader. This is definitely doing damage to his legacy, we"ll see how he responds if this continues...
fakers fans are traditionally fair weather. they'll scapegoat their own mama in a minute. tobe will be the last resort. right now A LOT of people are talking about how the fakers should fire coach jackson.
Re: joke of the century
I'm curious to see how the Lakers react against Portland tonight.
SpiritualPorn said:
I'm curious to see how the Lakers react against Portland tonight.
Re: Inside Hoops Kobe Dickriders getting a dose of reality
It's everyone's fault but Kobe's
No one wanted to coach there....Rudy T got diagnosed with the Kobe cancer...
Larry Brown maybe?...I would love that shit...LB and Kobe.......once they start losing ...trying to out phony each other in the press..
cranrab said:
It's everyone's fault but Kobe's
No one wanted to coach there....Rudy T got diagnosed with the Kobe cancer...
Larry Brown maybe?...I would love that shit...LB and Kobe.......once they start losing ...trying to out phony each other in the press..
Re: joke of the century
I predict a loss if Por starts out hot
Somewhere this "team"......has lost any form of confidence
Kobe was an asshole and backstabbing when they were winning championships....I could just imagine that fucker now.......
Losing turns friends into enemies really quick
I still ....in my gut.......think they have some real shit in the works for our boy Kto the B...........
Rollie_Fingaz said:
I predict a loss if Por starts out hot
Somewhere this "team"......has lost any form of confidence
Kobe was an asshole and backstabbing when they were winning championships....I could just imagine that fucker now.......
Losing turns friends into enemies really quick
I still ....in my gut.......think they have some real shit in the works for our boy Kto the B...........
Re: joke of the century
i'm not advocating a vice, but HYPOTHETICALLY SPEAKING, IF you WERE a betting man, i hope you were able to take advantage of the "inside information" i gave you several days ago.
since that time, the fakers have not covered the spread.
SpiritualPorn said:
i'm not advocating a vice, but HYPOTHETICALLY SPEAKING, IF you WERE a betting man, i hope you were able to take advantage of the "inside information" i gave you several days ago.
since that time, the fakers have not covered the spread.
Inside Hoops update: The Question of Kobe
Inside Hoops update:
They are now asking about Kobe's franchise player status
Here are a few outtakes......
Originally Posted by Knoe Itawl
I think the point is that Kobe's had a ridiculous amount of hype over the years from his fans who keep force feeding people this "He's the best player in basketball no question" stuff which many of us have always disagreed with. He has proven exactly what any other star sg has proven without prime Shaq, which is nothing.
Remember, Kobe's supposed to be head and shoulders above guys like TMac, Pierce, AI, Wade, Bron, etc. Therefore, because of the expectations given to us by his fans, people expect him to produce a lot more than those guys. Of course he can't do it alone, that really isn't the point. But he should be able to go out there and just dominate people even if his team isn't capable and he should be able to win a few games just on the strength of being "Kobe, the future GOAT, on par with Jordan" and all the other stuff we've heard over the years.
Sorry, but choking away the Pistons series and blowing a 3-1 lead (while shooting 3 times in the second half of a Game 7 and just hanging out at the three point line all half) and his overall performance this year just don't scream "Best in the league, no question" to me.
If his fans had just left it at Kobe being one of several superstars in the league, then it would be all good. But since they've insisted on shoving his greatness down our throats, people expect him to produce on a level that blows the rest of the league away. I haven't seen it.
Originally Posted by Samurai Swoosh
Ok, I kind of see where you're coming from. Granted those were some of the worst performances in his professional basketball life, that you're using as your reasoning for him being a "second fiddle".
But all in all you're still using the justification of what fans of his describe him as being as opposed to what he is, and meeting somewhere in the middle in terms of his worth, and expectations.
But no one here was saying he is "best in the league by far" ... he's in the category of "best in the league and debatable". You however made the statement that he was a "really good second fiddle." Kobe Bryant isn't a Rip Hamilton, Jerry Stackhouse, or Josh Howard caliber player. Or is that what you define a team leader who averages 29 ppg, 6 rpg, and 6 apg, and has led his team to a winning record?
Response by Knoeital
I should clarify the whole second fiddle thing. What I mean is that so far that's the only role he's proven anything as. So far, the jury is still out on Kobe the franchise player.
And I'm not pointing out his failures as if that's all there is to his career. However, his fans frequently gloss over those things and still call him the best and I think you have to weigh EVERYTHING. The good, the bad and the ugly.
And when one looks at those failures, I can't imagine how they can still draw the conclusion that he's the best no question and all of that stuff. I just have a very hard time believing that no other players could have done better in those situations.
If he's still the best despite those incidents, then what his fans are saying is that they'd expect other superstar level players to have done even WORSE!
IMO Kobe Bryant is an immensely talented player but to this point he hasn't proven any more as a franchise player than many of his contemporaries. He's not the clear cut best player in the league, and there are still many questions about his ability to carry a team as the number one guy.
Inside Hoops update:
They are now asking about Kobe's franchise player status
Here are a few outtakes......
Originally Posted by Knoe Itawl
I think the point is that Kobe's had a ridiculous amount of hype over the years from his fans who keep force feeding people this "He's the best player in basketball no question" stuff which many of us have always disagreed with. He has proven exactly what any other star sg has proven without prime Shaq, which is nothing.
Remember, Kobe's supposed to be head and shoulders above guys like TMac, Pierce, AI, Wade, Bron, etc. Therefore, because of the expectations given to us by his fans, people expect him to produce a lot more than those guys. Of course he can't do it alone, that really isn't the point. But he should be able to go out there and just dominate people even if his team isn't capable and he should be able to win a few games just on the strength of being "Kobe, the future GOAT, on par with Jordan" and all the other stuff we've heard over the years.
Sorry, but choking away the Pistons series and blowing a 3-1 lead (while shooting 3 times in the second half of a Game 7 and just hanging out at the three point line all half) and his overall performance this year just don't scream "Best in the league, no question" to me.
If his fans had just left it at Kobe being one of several superstars in the league, then it would be all good. But since they've insisted on shoving his greatness down our throats, people expect him to produce on a level that blows the rest of the league away. I haven't seen it.
Originally Posted by Samurai Swoosh
Ok, I kind of see where you're coming from. Granted those were some of the worst performances in his professional basketball life, that you're using as your reasoning for him being a "second fiddle".
But all in all you're still using the justification of what fans of his describe him as being as opposed to what he is, and meeting somewhere in the middle in terms of his worth, and expectations.
But no one here was saying he is "best in the league by far" ... he's in the category of "best in the league and debatable". You however made the statement that he was a "really good second fiddle." Kobe Bryant isn't a Rip Hamilton, Jerry Stackhouse, or Josh Howard caliber player. Or is that what you define a team leader who averages 29 ppg, 6 rpg, and 6 apg, and has led his team to a winning record?
Response by Knoeital
I should clarify the whole second fiddle thing. What I mean is that so far that's the only role he's proven anything as. So far, the jury is still out on Kobe the franchise player.
And I'm not pointing out his failures as if that's all there is to his career. However, his fans frequently gloss over those things and still call him the best and I think you have to weigh EVERYTHING. The good, the bad and the ugly.
And when one looks at those failures, I can't imagine how they can still draw the conclusion that he's the best no question and all of that stuff. I just have a very hard time believing that no other players could have done better in those situations.
If he's still the best despite those incidents, then what his fans are saying is that they'd expect other superstar level players to have done even WORSE!
IMO Kobe Bryant is an immensely talented player but to this point he hasn't proven any more as a franchise player than many of his contemporaries. He's not the clear cut best player in the league, and there are still many questions about his ability to carry a team as the number one guy.
For TimRock: Kobe GOAT scorer?
SECAUCUS, N.J., March 22, 2007 -- By scoring 60 points in a 121-119 win over Memphis on Thursday, Kobe Bryant became the first player since Michael Jordan in April of 1987 to score 50-plus points in three straight games.
At this rate, Bryant has a chance to become the greatest scorer the NBA has ever seen.
Let that marinate for a minute.
The G.O.A.T. of the NBA. Top of the totem pole. Best of the bunch.
Bryant has the opportunity to be better than Wilt with his 50-point single-season average. More accomplished than Kareem and his 38,387 total points. Even more prolific than MJ who dropped 63 points in the playoffs and caused another guy who wasn’t too shabby at scoring himself, Larry Bird, to say it was like playing against James Naismith, er, God, disguised as Michael Jordan.
He entered the league having not one measly collegiate point and could exit with more scoring feats than any player to ever lace them up.
How did it happen? How did a player who scored zero points in his NBA debut and who took 16 games as a pro to reach 80 career points end up scoring 81 in a single game?
How did a skinny guard out of a suburban Philadelphia high school that took 90 games to reach the 30-point plateau, end up scoring 30 points in a single quarter (just short of George Gervin’s record 33) against the Jazz this season?
From 7.6 points per game as a rookie, 15.4 as a sophomore, 19.9 in his third year, to a run of eight straight seasons of 22.5 per or more, Kobe has morphed into the most potent scorer in the league today.
It’s been a long time coming.
From No. 8 to No. 24. From adidas to Nike. From shorn head to mini 'fro back to shorn again.
Buy it now!
Kobe's jersey at the NBA Store
Kobe has been getting buckets.
The 175 points that the 6-6, 220-pound Bryant has scored over his last three games has propelled him past Carmelo Anthony for the league lead in scoring, but this spurt is hardly his first dominant stretch as a net filler.
In the 2002-03 season, while Shaquille O’Neal struggled with injury, Bryant scored 40 or more in nine straight games in February. Only two other players in the history of the league have had comparable 40-point streaks – Jordan with nine in 1986, and Chamberlain with two streaks of 14 in the 1961-62 season and as well as a run of 10 in ’62-63.
You could call all of last season an extended “spurt” as Mamba averaged 35.4 points (the eight highest scoring average of all time) as he dropped 27 40-plus point games, six 50-plus point games and had he been a composer his 62 points in three quarters would have been his Ride of the Valkyries and the 81-pointer was so beyond the realm of imagination, consider it his Sprach Zarathustra (the theme to 2001: A Space Odyssey).
Bryant has scored 1,920 points this season, giving him 18,786 for his career. He started the season ranked 67th on the all-time list and has leapfrogged to 42nd, passing the likes of Dr. J, Rick Barry, Magic Johnson and Isiah Thomas in the process.
If he hits for his season average (30.5 ppg) over the last 13 games this year, he’ll catch Chet Walker, Scottie Pippen (barring a comeback), Dale Ellis and Reggie Theus as well.
If Bryant can hold off Anthony for the scoring title, it will be his second straight, joining him with George Mikan, Neil Johnston, Chamberlain, Abdul-Jabbar, Bob McAdoo, Gervin, Jordan, Allen Iverson and Tracy McGrady as the only back-to-back scoring champs.
Two scoring titles would still leave him laps behind Jordan (10 titles) and Chamberlain (seven titles), but it would put him right in the mix with the rest of his competition as nobody else other than Gervin and Iverson, owners of four titles a piece, has more than three.
It’s about more than numbers though. The ultimate scorer is the guy who you want to have the ball in the last possession of the game.
The ultimate scorer is the guy that the other team doesn’t want to have the ball. The ultimate scorer is respected by his peers. Ask around the league, “Who is the hardest player to guard?” The answer is inevitably:
“Oh, you mean, besides Kobe?”
The ultimate scorer is the player who can elude a trap, split a double team, handle help-side defense and still get his shot off.
He is versatile, able to pull up for the three (Kobe is tied with Donyell Marshall for the record of 12 threes in a game) or take it to the tin and finish. Oh, and if he’s fouled he better be able to nail those freebies (career .837 shooter from the stripe).
He may never catch Kareem for the all-time lead, but it’s possible. Unlikely, but possible. All he has to do is hit his career average of 24.4 points per game over 70 games for the next 12 seasons to retire a few months shy of his 41st birthday with 39,000-plus in 2019.
He probably won’t retire in the top three in career-scoring average (Jordan – 30.12 ppg, Chamberlain 30.07 ppg, Iverson 28.0 ppg), but if you don’t count his first three seasons in the league – consider it his quasi college adjustment period – then his career average jumps to 28.1 ppg.
Wilt’s 100 points scored in Hershey, Pa. on March 2, 1962 might never be eclipsed, but then again, probably neither will Kobe’s 81 against Toronto on Jan. 22, 2006.
Couple that 81 with his 60 against the Grizzlies, 65 against Portland this season and checking out of the Dallas game up 62-61 on the Mavs last year, and Bryant becomes one of only four players with multiple 60-point games (Wilt – 32, Michael – four, Elgin Baylor – three).
Pile up the evidence - the three seasons with 30-point averages, the 17 career 50-point games, the thousands upon thousands of points.
The title of ultimate scorer might not ever rest upon one sole individual, but Kobe Bryant has assured that his name will be in the conversation.
Care to comment about where Kobe ranks amongst the scoring elite? Send an e-mail.
SECAUCUS, N.J., March 22, 2007 -- By scoring 60 points in a 121-119 win over Memphis on Thursday, Kobe Bryant became the first player since Michael Jordan in April of 1987 to score 50-plus points in three straight games.
At this rate, Bryant has a chance to become the greatest scorer the NBA has ever seen.
Let that marinate for a minute.
The G.O.A.T. of the NBA. Top of the totem pole. Best of the bunch.
Bryant has the opportunity to be better than Wilt with his 50-point single-season average. More accomplished than Kareem and his 38,387 total points. Even more prolific than MJ who dropped 63 points in the playoffs and caused another guy who wasn’t too shabby at scoring himself, Larry Bird, to say it was like playing against James Naismith, er, God, disguised as Michael Jordan.
He entered the league having not one measly collegiate point and could exit with more scoring feats than any player to ever lace them up.
How did it happen? How did a player who scored zero points in his NBA debut and who took 16 games as a pro to reach 80 career points end up scoring 81 in a single game?
How did a skinny guard out of a suburban Philadelphia high school that took 90 games to reach the 30-point plateau, end up scoring 30 points in a single quarter (just short of George Gervin’s record 33) against the Jazz this season?
From 7.6 points per game as a rookie, 15.4 as a sophomore, 19.9 in his third year, to a run of eight straight seasons of 22.5 per or more, Kobe has morphed into the most potent scorer in the league today.
It’s been a long time coming.
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The 175 points that the 6-6, 220-pound Bryant has scored over his last three games has propelled him past Carmelo Anthony for the league lead in scoring, but this spurt is hardly his first dominant stretch as a net filler.
In the 2002-03 season, while Shaquille O’Neal struggled with injury, Bryant scored 40 or more in nine straight games in February. Only two other players in the history of the league have had comparable 40-point streaks – Jordan with nine in 1986, and Chamberlain with two streaks of 14 in the 1961-62 season and as well as a run of 10 in ’62-63.
You could call all of last season an extended “spurt” as Mamba averaged 35.4 points (the eight highest scoring average of all time) as he dropped 27 40-plus point games, six 50-plus point games and had he been a composer his 62 points in three quarters would have been his Ride of the Valkyries and the 81-pointer was so beyond the realm of imagination, consider it his Sprach Zarathustra (the theme to 2001: A Space Odyssey).
Bryant has scored 1,920 points this season, giving him 18,786 for his career. He started the season ranked 67th on the all-time list and has leapfrogged to 42nd, passing the likes of Dr. J, Rick Barry, Magic Johnson and Isiah Thomas in the process.
If he hits for his season average (30.5 ppg) over the last 13 games this year, he’ll catch Chet Walker, Scottie Pippen (barring a comeback), Dale Ellis and Reggie Theus as well.
If Bryant can hold off Anthony for the scoring title, it will be his second straight, joining him with George Mikan, Neil Johnston, Chamberlain, Abdul-Jabbar, Bob McAdoo, Gervin, Jordan, Allen Iverson and Tracy McGrady as the only back-to-back scoring champs.
Two scoring titles would still leave him laps behind Jordan (10 titles) and Chamberlain (seven titles), but it would put him right in the mix with the rest of his competition as nobody else other than Gervin and Iverson, owners of four titles a piece, has more than three.
It’s about more than numbers though. The ultimate scorer is the guy who you want to have the ball in the last possession of the game.
The ultimate scorer is the guy that the other team doesn’t want to have the ball. The ultimate scorer is respected by his peers. Ask around the league, “Who is the hardest player to guard?” The answer is inevitably:
“Oh, you mean, besides Kobe?”
The ultimate scorer is the player who can elude a trap, split a double team, handle help-side defense and still get his shot off.
He is versatile, able to pull up for the three (Kobe is tied with Donyell Marshall for the record of 12 threes in a game) or take it to the tin and finish. Oh, and if he’s fouled he better be able to nail those freebies (career .837 shooter from the stripe).
He may never catch Kareem for the all-time lead, but it’s possible. Unlikely, but possible. All he has to do is hit his career average of 24.4 points per game over 70 games for the next 12 seasons to retire a few months shy of his 41st birthday with 39,000-plus in 2019.
He probably won’t retire in the top three in career-scoring average (Jordan – 30.12 ppg, Chamberlain 30.07 ppg, Iverson 28.0 ppg), but if you don’t count his first three seasons in the league – consider it his quasi college adjustment period – then his career average jumps to 28.1 ppg.
Wilt’s 100 points scored in Hershey, Pa. on March 2, 1962 might never be eclipsed, but then again, probably neither will Kobe’s 81 against Toronto on Jan. 22, 2006.
Couple that 81 with his 60 against the Grizzlies, 65 against Portland this season and checking out of the Dallas game up 62-61 on the Mavs last year, and Bryant becomes one of only four players with multiple 60-point games (Wilt – 32, Michael – four, Elgin Baylor – three).
Pile up the evidence - the three seasons with 30-point averages, the 17 career 50-point games, the thousands upon thousands of points.
The title of ultimate scorer might not ever rest upon one sole individual, but Kobe Bryant has assured that his name will be in the conversation.
Care to comment about where Kobe ranks amongst the scoring elite? Send an e-mail.
Re: Will the fakers make the Playoffs?
what a complete buffoon.
only tobe fans scramble for obscure and meaningless statistics about scoring binges in gay attempts to validate their hero.
i ALWAYS hear people talking about how great michael jordan was because he was able to score 50+ in consecutive games.
yeah, right. or is it because his teams were able to surpass 50+ WINS so many times. 
or i ALWAYS hear people talking about how great elgin baylor was because he was able to score 50+ in consecutive games in 1962. yeah, right. or is it because he AVERAGED 38 points and 18 rebounds for the ENTIRE season?
@ the pitiful fools. but i'll get behind them. shoot MORE tobe!
what a complete buffoon.
only tobe fans scramble for obscure and meaningless statistics about scoring binges in gay attempts to validate their hero.
i ALWAYS hear people talking about how great michael jordan was because he was able to score 50+ in consecutive games.
yeah, right. or is it because his teams were able to surpass 50+ WINS so many times. or i ALWAYS hear people talking about how great elgin baylor was because he was able to score 50+ in consecutive games in 1962.
yeah, right. or is it because he AVERAGED 38 points and 18 rebounds for the ENTIRE season? @ the pitiful fools. but i'll get behind them. shoot MORE tobe!
Re: Will the fakers make the Playoffs?
Thats where I'm at with this
It's nice to see players take advantage of todays relaxed rules...ala Kobe
However this plays right into the hands of the opposition...
Like I said before...Kobe will say "fuck it" and go for the scoring title.....
He is playing like its NBA@K.....score a lot of points...D? assists?...WTF????? That shit don't get you on no ESPN
cranrab said:what a complete buffoon.
only tobe fans scramble for obscure and meaningless statistics about scoring binges in gay attempts to validate their hero.
i ALWAYS hear people talking about how great michael jordan was because he was able to score 50+ in consecutive games.
or i ALWAYS hear people talking about how great elgin baylor was because he was able to score 50+ in consecutive games in 1962.
Thats where I'm at with this
It's nice to see players take advantage of todays relaxed rules...ala Kobe
However this plays right into the hands of the opposition...
Like I said before...Kobe will say "fuck it" and go for the scoring title.....
He is playing like its NBA@K.....score a lot of points...D? assists?...WTF????? That shit don't get you on no ESPN
From Inside Hoops:
The Kobe apologists (in red) are out in full force
The reply (in green) hit home
I will ask this again, since nobody seems to be able or willing to answer it.
You and others keep referring to an individual as winning or losing a game or winning a title. I thought basketball was a team sport? If so, is it not the team that wins or loses?
A team is ONLY as good as its COLLECTIVE personnel and how they mesh together within a viable offensive/defensive scheme for the skills that the collective team has.
Can someone explain to me this conitnual "individualistic" thought process in a team game?
hey lowcalmike
I love your aloof wisdom as of late around here
the Kobe as a winner by himself (ie without the Deisel) thing is directly related to how history will view him because he decided to run Shaq out of town (yes he did, dont say otherwise cuz everyone knows its true) and break up a team that had some more juice left.
He thought his interests would be better served without people like Shaq and Phil who may take too much of the credit
It was Kobe's time to shine, he was the best player in the L, or so the thinking went
This shows he values the limelight more than winning (or at least he did there)
he ran Shaq out of town because he thought, much like his fans that he was the main reason they won those titles.
but
Since he ran the Deisel out of town he has won nary a playoff series while the big rig is rockin another ring
that is why
until Kobe wins in his new chosen reality, he will have his doubters
what part of this is hard to understand?
with Kobe it is always about him, win or lose, problem is, his detractors are still waiting for that win part.
The Kobe apologists (in red) are out in full force
The reply (in green) hit home
I will ask this again, since nobody seems to be able or willing to answer it.
You and others keep referring to an individual as winning or losing a game or winning a title. I thought basketball was a team sport? If so, is it not the team that wins or loses?
A team is ONLY as good as its COLLECTIVE personnel and how they mesh together within a viable offensive/defensive scheme for the skills that the collective team has.
Can someone explain to me this conitnual "individualistic" thought process in a team game?
hey lowcalmike
I love your aloof wisdom as of late around here
the Kobe as a winner by himself (ie without the Deisel) thing is directly related to how history will view him because he decided to run Shaq out of town (yes he did, dont say otherwise cuz everyone knows its true) and break up a team that had some more juice left.
He thought his interests would be better served without people like Shaq and Phil who may take too much of the credit
It was Kobe's time to shine, he was the best player in the L, or so the thinking went
This shows he values the limelight more than winning (or at least he did there)
he ran Shaq out of town because he thought, much like his fans that he was the main reason they won those titles.
but
Since he ran the Deisel out of town he has won nary a playoff series while the big rig is rockin another ring
that is why
until Kobe wins in his new chosen reality, he will have his doubters
what part of this is hard to understand?
with Kobe it is always about him, win or lose, problem is, his detractors are still waiting for that win part.
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Interesting Statistic From The Box-Score:
Kobe Bryant: 29 Points | 7 Rebounds | 3 Assists | 2 Steals | 2 Blocks | 4 Turnovers | 13-34 FG! | 3-4 FT
Corey Maggette: 22 Points | 6 Rebounds | 6 Assists | 0 Steals | 1 Block | 3 Turnovers | 5-9 FG! | 12-16 FT
Basically in 25 less shots, Corey scored just 7 points less. If he would've taken those 25 shots, he would've dropped a good 60 points possibly.
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Interesting Statistic From The Box-Score:
Kobe Bryant: 29 Points | 7 Rebounds | 3 Assists | 2 Steals | 2 Blocks | 4 Turnovers | 13-34 FG! | 3-4 FT
Corey Maggette: 22 Points | 6 Rebounds | 6 Assists | 0 Steals | 1 Block | 3 Turnovers | 5-9 FG! | 12-16 FT
Basically in 25 less shots, Corey scored just 7 points less. If he would've taken those 25 shots, he would've dropped a good 60 points possibly.
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Re: Will the fakers make the Playoffs???
the pitiful state of the worstern conference makes it next to impossible for the fakers to NOT make the playoffs. even though the fakers haven't clinched a playoff spot, playoff tickets are already on sale.
EVEN IF the fakers lost ALL OF their remaining games, it would still take the following for them to be knocked out of contention.
clippers would have to go 4-4 over their last 8 games. 4 against playoffs teams, 4 on the road.
warriors would have to go 4-2 over their last 6 games. 3 against playoffs teams, 3 on the road.
nuggets would have to go 2-5 over their last 7 games. 4 against playoffs teams, 5 on the road.
xfactor said:I wonder what the lakers' chances of making the playoffs were if they didnt hold on to beat the Seattle Super Sonics tonight? Looking at their schedule they could've dropped out of contention because they could easily go 0-4 in their next 4 games.
the pitiful state of the worstern conference makes it next to impossible for the fakers to NOT make the playoffs. even though the fakers haven't clinched a playoff spot, playoff tickets are already on sale.
EVEN IF the fakers lost ALL OF their remaining games, it would still take the following for them to be knocked out of contention.
clippers would have to go 4-4 over their last 8 games. 4 against playoffs teams, 4 on the road.
warriors would have to go 4-2 over their last 6 games. 3 against playoffs teams, 3 on the road.
nuggets would have to go 2-5 over their last 7 games. 4 against playoffs teams, 5 on the road.
Re: Will the fakers make the Playoffs???
We can only hope....
I don't see any of those scenarios as impossible...
The Nuggets beat the Mavs last night. (What will be the Maverdicks excuse when they lose in round 2 this year?)
Barely beating the Sonics when fighting to save 6th
Kobe Bryant G 40:54 13 - 27 19 - 24 1 - 4 1 - 5 6 3 1 1 2 46
Almost 30 shots again Kobe?
Keep Shooting...MArino......I mean GardenSnake....I mean Baylor.......I mean Kobe........You're THE MAN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
cranrab said:
We can only hope....
I don't see any of those scenarios as impossible...
The Nuggets beat the Mavs last night. (What will be the Maverdicks excuse when they lose in round 2 this year?)
Barely beating the Sonics when fighting to save 6th
Kobe Bryant G 40:54 13 - 27 19 - 24 1 - 4 1 - 5 6 3 1 1 2 46
Almost 30 shots again Kobe?
Keep Shooting...MArino......I mean GardenSnake....I mean Baylor.......I mean Kobe........You're THE MAN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Re: Will the fakers make the Playoffs???
any ONE or TWO of those scenarios by themselves is NOT impossible. but ALL FOUR together? highly unlikely. and ALL FOUR would have to take place for the fakers to get bounced out of the playoffs.
i thought that was an upset until i discovered that josh howard only played 7 minutes after twisting his ankle in Q1. then it all made sense.
yeah. excuse me if i'm not overwhelmed that the fakers beat the SECOND WORST team in the worstern conference (14th out of a possible 15 teams), who were playing without their leading scorer, ray allen. the supersonics also lost PG luke ridnour during the game.
oh, but i guess it was fair, because the fakers didn't have kwame brown either. and coach jackson benched william parker again, so everything evened out.
tobe scored a legit 40 points last night. the rest was stat padding down the stretch while the supersonics played the foul game for more possessions.
the fakers deserved the win last night. coach hill made the mistake of using chris wilcox as the supersonics number one option on O down the stretch. though chris wilcox DESTROYED the fakers frontline throughout the game, he is NOT a reliable option for typical half court, back to the basket post play.
regarding tobe's 27 shots: i guess fakers fans are comfortable seeing tobe shooting 34%+ of the fakers shots BY HIMSELF. i'm sure they're not bright enough to figure out that a more balanced O would make things considerably easier for the team.
@ a 3 point win over the SECOND WORST team in the conference.
EDIT:
people who watched the game will honestly remember the fakers with tobe on the floor trailed by 8 at halftime. they will also remember the fakers with tobe on the floor still trailed by 4 at the end of Q3. it wasn't until coach jackson gave tobe a 4 minute rest that the real fakers players were able to eliminate the deficit and mount the comeback.
SpiritualPorn said:
any ONE or TWO of those scenarios by themselves is NOT impossible. but ALL FOUR together? highly unlikely. and ALL FOUR would have to take place for the fakers to get bounced out of the playoffs.
SpiritualPorn said:
i thought that was an upset until i discovered that josh howard only played 7 minutes after twisting his ankle in Q1. then it all made sense.
SpiritualPorn said:
yeah. excuse me if i'm not overwhelmed that the fakers beat the SECOND WORST team in the worstern conference (14th out of a possible 15 teams), who were playing without their leading scorer, ray allen. the supersonics also lost PG luke ridnour during the game.
oh, but i guess it was fair, because the fakers didn't have kwame brown either.
and coach jackson benched william parker again, so everything evened out.SpiritualPorn said:
tobe scored a legit 40 points last night. the rest was stat padding down the stretch while the supersonics played the foul game for more possessions.
the fakers deserved the win last night. coach hill made the mistake of using chris wilcox as the supersonics number one option on O down the stretch. though chris wilcox DESTROYED the fakers frontline throughout the game, he is NOT a reliable option for typical half court, back to the basket post play.
regarding tobe's 27 shots: i guess fakers fans are comfortable seeing tobe shooting 34%+ of the fakers shots BY HIMSELF. i'm sure they're not bright enough to figure out that a more balanced O would make things considerably easier for the team.
@ a 3 point win over the SECOND WORST team in the conference.EDIT:
people who watched the game will honestly remember the fakers with tobe on the floor trailed by 8 at halftime. they will also remember the fakers with tobe on the floor still trailed by 4 at the end of Q3. it wasn't until coach jackson gave tobe a 4 minute rest that the real fakers players were able to eliminate the deficit and mount the comeback.
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Re: Will the fakers make the Playoffs???
Thanks for the game breakdown, as usual.
All four happening? Not sure about that either.....just a wish I have
You're right about Josh being hurt however doesn't Stack make up the slack?...BTW I am not totally impressed with Dallas......Nice players however I just don't think Avery is mentally strong...he seems like a phony.
Anyways.........................
Here are some rumors I have been getting:
cranrab said:any ONE or TWO of those scenarios by themselves is NOT impossible. but ALL FOUR together? highly unlikely. and ALL FOUR would have to take place for the fakers to get bounced out of the playoffs.
i thought that was an upset until i discovered that josh howard only played 7 minutes after twisting his ankle in Q1. then it all made sense.
yeah. excuse me if i'm not overwhelmed that the fakers beat the SECOND WORST team in the worstern conference (14th out of a possible 15 teams), who were playing without their leading scorer, ray allen. the supersonics also lost PG luke ridnour during the game.
oh, but i guess it was fair, because the fakers didn't have kwame brown either.
tobe scored a legit 40 points last night. the rest was stat padding down the stretch while the supersonics played the foul game for more possessions.
the fakers deserved the win last night. coach hill made the mistake of using chris wilcox as the supersonics number one option on O down the stretch. though chris wilcox DESTROYED the fakers frontline throughout the game, he is NOT a reliable option for typical half court, back to the basket post play.
regarding tobe's 27 shots: i guess fakers fans are comfortable seeing tobe shooting 34%+ of the fakers shots BY HIMSELF. i'm sure they're not bright enough to figure out that a more balanced O would make things considerably easier for the team.
EDIT:
people who watched the game will honestly remember the fakers with tobe on the floor trailed by 8 at halftime. they will also remember the fakers with tobe on the floor still trailed by 4 at the end of Q3. it wasn't until coach jackson gave tobe a 4 minute rest that the real fakers players were able to eliminate the deficit and mount the comeback.
Thanks for the game breakdown, as usual.
All four happening? Not sure about that either.....just a wish I have
You're right about Josh being hurt however doesn't Stack make up the slack?...BTW I am not totally impressed with Dallas......Nice players however I just don't think Avery is mentally strong...he seems like a phony.
Anyways.........................
Here are some rumors I have been getting:
Re: Will the fakers make the Playoffs???
Ronnie Lester of the Lakers is my cousin and this is what he has told me they plan to do:1. Trade Lamar Odom, Kwame Brown and Jordan Farmar on Draft Night to the Pacers for Jermaine O'neal and Jamal Tinsley 2. They will draft Rodney Stuckey with there first pick and Sean Williams with there 2nd pick which is near the top of the 2nd rd. 3. They will sign and trade Luke Walton to Miami for Michael Doleac and Dorell Wright. This is at Shaq's request.
first off, let me comment on assistant gm ronnie lester. i think ronnie lester does a very good job for the fakers and i think he's an EXCELLENT judge of talent. next, let me comment on player ronnie lester. i think ronnie lester was another FINE EXAMPLE of talented point guards that come out of the midwest. ronnie lester is an example of a point guard who stands head and shoulders above the second class PGs that come out of the west.
second, i am suspicious of ANY post whose creator immediately points to a relative for credibility. furthermore, anyone who knows ronnie lester knows that he is very tight-lipped about fakers intentions on draft day. unless he is intentionally trying to disseminate false information to improve the fakers' overall position. (red auerbach was a pro at this)
OK. now the meat of the post. kwame brown, lamar odom and jordan farmar for jermaine o'neal and jamal tinsley. salaries are close. within $2M of each other next year. so that's in the realm of possibility. but would coach jackson really be interested in jamal tinsley, who has been bitten with the injury bug, and isn't the type of PG he really likes for the triangle (jamal tinsley is shorter than william parker)?
rodney stuckey is believable, because the fakers have shown in the past they're willing to gamble on streaky scorers like von wafer.
regarding luke walton, i think it would be wise for him to re-sign with the fakers. the triangle is responsible for making him look good.
Ronnie Lester of the Lakers is my cousin and this is what he has told me they plan to do:1. Trade Lamar Odom, Kwame Brown and Jordan Farmar on Draft Night to the Pacers for Jermaine O'neal and Jamal Tinsley 2. They will draft Rodney Stuckey with there first pick and Sean Williams with there 2nd pick which is near the top of the 2nd rd. 3. They will sign and trade Luke Walton to Miami for Michael Doleac and Dorell Wright. This is at Shaq's request.
first off, let me comment on assistant gm ronnie lester. i think ronnie lester does a very good job for the fakers and i think he's an EXCELLENT judge of talent. next, let me comment on player ronnie lester. i think ronnie lester was another FINE EXAMPLE of talented point guards that come out of the midwest. ronnie lester is an example of a point guard who stands head and shoulders above the second class PGs that come out of the west.
second, i am suspicious of ANY post whose creator immediately points to a relative for credibility. furthermore, anyone who knows ronnie lester knows that he is very tight-lipped about fakers intentions on draft day. unless he is intentionally trying to disseminate false information to improve the fakers' overall position. (red auerbach was a pro at this)
OK. now the meat of the post. kwame brown, lamar odom and jordan farmar for jermaine o'neal and jamal tinsley. salaries are close. within $2M of each other next year. so that's in the realm of possibility. but would coach jackson really be interested in jamal tinsley, who has been bitten with the injury bug, and isn't the type of PG he really likes for the triangle (jamal tinsley is shorter than william parker)?
rodney stuckey is believable, because the fakers have shown in the past they're willing to gamble on streaky scorers like von wafer.
regarding luke walton, i think it would be wise for him to re-sign with the fakers. the triangle is responsible for making him look good.
No way, Odom stays. If this happens, I will be very upset. If thats the case, and if the salaries match, trade Vujacic (?) and Kwame for Tinsley.
No way again. Why would the Lakers want Doleac?
Also, Smush is a free agent at the end of the season, why wasn't this issue brought up?
Who's to say these guys wont get picked before the Lakers choose?
Lakers lose to the clippers tonight.
Clippers and golden state are both only 2 games off the Lakers and the Lakers have Phoenix next on the road! So they are taking a L there most likely. Clippers have Portland next and and the Warriors have Sacramento next. This could get very interesting..though the Lakers have two softer games on the final two, it is very feasible they could get knocked out. The warriors really only have 1 tough game left with Dallas but the other three are very winnable games.
Clippers and golden state are both only 2 games off the Lakers and the Lakers have Phoenix next on the road! So they are taking a L there most likely. Clippers have Portland next and and the Warriors have Sacramento next. This could get very interesting..though the Lakers have two softer games on the final two, it is very feasible they could get knocked out. The warriors really only have 1 tough game left with Dallas but the other three are very winnable games.
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Sorry Kobe!! Not this year!!!!
cranrab said:
I never thought the Lakers would self-destruct like this. I'm curious on how the media in L.A. is treating this.
Re: Will the fakers make the Playoffs???
first, is anyone having deja vu regarding kwame brown and his final season with the wizards?
second, the media is blaming the current fakers woes on 1) the fakers not named tobe, 2) a season plagued by injuries, and 3) coach jackson.
fakers fans have a fundamental problem with logic and reason. they have tremendous flaws in their ability to understand causation.
here is their basic (illogical, flawed) premise regarding fakers basketball:
A. the fakers not named tobe don't perform well
B. therefore, tobe must dominate the ball
here is proven (actual, correct) FACT regarding fakers basketball:
A. tobe dominates the ball
B. therefore, the fakers not named tobe don't perform well.
a very simple and subtle change in perspective would enlighten them tremendously.
Rollie_Fingaz said:
first, is anyone having deja vu regarding kwame brown and his final season with the wizards?
second, the media is blaming the current fakers woes on 1) the fakers not named tobe, 2) a season plagued by injuries, and 3) coach jackson.
fakers fans have a fundamental problem with logic and reason. they have tremendous flaws in their ability to understand causation.
here is their basic (illogical, flawed) premise regarding fakers basketball:
A. the fakers not named tobe don't perform well
B. therefore, tobe must dominate the ball
here is proven (actual, correct) FACT regarding fakers basketball:
A. tobe dominates the ball
B. therefore, the fakers not named tobe don't perform well.
a very simple and subtle change in perspective would enlighten them tremendously.
Well let it be noted I'm not a Laker fan I am a Bull fan but Kobe is my favorite player. Anyways, I hope the Lakers dont make it they don't deserve to. The team as a whole has played shitty since the injuries and those injuries are still no excuse to slide they way they did. The team plays terrible team defense last night before I turn the game off Clippers had 114 points and the 4th quarter wasn't done yet. For the "sports analyst" and "geniuses" saying that Kobe needs to dominate the game every night for the Lakers to win is basically saying the team as a whole sucks, which I dont see they are not the most talented team but they have a chemistry that was obvious at the beginning of the year when Kobe was taking so less shots and passing more. Kobe being passive is the reason they took the "MIGHTY" Suns to 7games. Him being passive is more deadly to the opposition because when he needs to he can turn it on and be that offensive weapon which IMO is the best offensive game in the league. Now about that trade for J. Oneal and Tinsley I can see that but I don't see Tinsley. Then they did sign Vlad and they did trade Caron Butler for Brown. If they did the Walton trade that would be dumb as shit too. That dude is a intelligent player he always has been even in high school. OHHHH SHIT as I type this that nigga Wade dunked the shit out of Dunleavy