will history repeat itself?

[cranrab]

11-8.

fakers defeated the san antonio speuros and got stomped by the dallas mavericks.

the "world's greatest player" collected 6 TOs, 3 PFs and shot under 50% in 33 minutes.

of note: in Q2 at 5:55 mark, the fakers were down by 5 points and substituted tobe into the game. with the "best player in the game" on the floor, the dallas mavericks proceeded to GROW their lead to 12 points. wonder if tobe's 3 TOs and 2 missed FGAs had anything to do with that? nah, impossible.

Q3, tobe scores 15 points (more than half of his total), but the dallas mavericks outscore the fakers by 11, pushing the lead to 23 points. is anyone starting to understand that it's a BAD thing for the fakers when tobe scores a lot?

 

[cranrab]

11-9.

fun game to watch this evening. fakers went into OKC and got "upset" by the .395 new orleans hornets who are still minus chris paul.

Q1, tobe mercifully only had 1 FGA and guess what? fakers up by 4.

Q2, tobe sat until the 6:28 mark. guess what? fakers STILL up by 4. but what happened once the "greatest player in the league" checked back in? in about a minute and a half, the fakers lead disappeared. the hornets outscored the fakers 19-7 in 6:28. sounds like some "lock down, shut out D" to me

but never fear, the player who can "will his team to victory" and "can score anytime he wants to" would show up and save the day, right? WRONG.

Q4, coach jackson yanks tobe off the floor for THREE consecutive ILL ADVISED BRICKS in only 1 MINUTE 11 SECONDS.

coach jackson allows tobe to check back in at 6:17, fakers down by 4. what happened next? the hornets outscored the fakers 19-13. game over.

BTW, tobe must've dropped 50 or more on the second worst team in the southWORST division, right? no, actually tobe went 7-22 (31.8%) against the eleventh ranked team in the WORSTern conference.

 

[RunawaySlave]

Cranrab....the NBA talking heads worst nightmare


I am not proud to say, that I no longer listen to ANY
announcer. I only wish there were a way to forego
the miscreants altogether and just tune into what is
actually being talked about on the court. Because
whatever it is, it's NOT what the announcers are

 

[Spectrum]

Thanks eewwll

After my divorce

I will be in Brazil to help you out with all those hunnies

No better place to celebrate a divorce

 

[cranrab]

we can put this thread to rest

the question has been satisfactorily answered, and barring any further injury to lamar odom, we won't need to revisit this thread again this season.

so here are the final results:

fakers 15-6 before lamar odom's injury. (.714)

fakers 12-9 after lamar odom's injury. (.571)

 

[cranrab]

Re: we can put this thread to rest

who knew we'd get to open up this thread again?

Lakers will be traveling lighter after Odom injury
By Mike Bresnahan
Times Staff Writer

March 4, 2007

The Lakers' charter flight left LAX Saturday afternoon without another key injured player, Lamar Odom staying behind after an MRI exam earlier in the day revealed a torn labrum in his left shoulder.

Odom is out indefinitely and will not travel with the team for a four-game trip that starts today in Phoenix. He will see shoulder specialist Lewis Yocum in Los Angeles on Monday, at which point a timetable is expected to be attached to his return.

Odom, 27, sustained a torn labrum in the same shoulder in March 2005 and missed the Lakers' last 17 games that season. He ultimately underwent surgery that required a four-month recovery period.

He was injured Friday after being fouled by Sacramento center Brad Miller while attempting a shot with 2:47 to play in the Lakers' 116-108 loss.

The timing couldn't be worse for the Lakers or Odom, who had finally shown signs of regaining his early-season form after 15 relatively quiet games since returning from a sprained right knee. He had 19 points, 14 rebounds and nine assists last Monday against Utah and 26 points, 13 rebounds and six assists against Sacramento. He was not available for comment Saturday.

"I saw him this morning, and he looks pretty sore," Kobe Bryant said.

The Lakers (33-26) have already weathered numerous injuries this season, but the absence of Odom comes as the schedule gets increasingly more important.

The Lakers are wedged in sixth place in the Western Conference, four games ahead of Denver and the Clippers and three games behind Houston. The regular season ends April 18.

Coach Phil Jackson, who has watched the injuries mount since the exhibition season, did his best to put on a positive spin.

"We're still going to be fine," he said.

"We're still going to keep our head above water. We're not drowning."

They might, however, want to locate any nearby flotation devices.

Despite the slow comeback from his knee injury, Odom was averaging 16.4 points, 9.4 rebounds and 4.7 assists.

Injuries and surgeries have been a theme of the Lakers' season since training camp, when Jackson underwent hip-replacement surgery and Bryant recuperated from off-season knee surgery that forced him to sit out the first two regular-season games.

All told this season, Odom has missed 21 games, Kwame Brown has missed 34, Luke Walton 16, Vladimir Radmanovic five and Bryant three because of injuries. Chris Mihm has missed all 59 games because of ankle problems.

Walton will see an ankle specialist Monday in Los Angeles and will not play today against Phoenix.

He might rejoin the team later in the trip.

"Sometimes you need some luck to avoid these injuries," Bryant said. "[Just] keep pushing forward."


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Not all the injury news was bad for the Lakers.

Maurice Evans went through a light practice Saturday and probably will play today despite lingering soreness and swelling in his right knee.

Brown also felt fine after his first game back from a severely sprained ankle. Now he needs to work on getting into the flow of the offense. He barely looked at the basket whenever the ball was passed to him against Sacramento.

"There's discomfort out there," Jackson said. "He hasn't been in enough practice or enough game situations to feel good."

 

[cranrab]

Re: we can put this thread to rest

fakers 12-10 (.550) without lamar odom in the starting lineup.

fakers lost to the phoenix suns, who were missing starter boris diaw today. fakers were missing starter lamar odom.

2006 fakers after 60 games: 31-29

2005 fakers after 60 games: 31-29

2007 fakers after 60 games: 33-27

the "greatest player in the game" is obviously making a HUGE impact for the fakers...

 

[TimRock]

fakers lost to the phoenix suns, who were missing starter boris diaw today. fakers were missing starter lamar odom.

I guess Vlad and Luke being out doesnt matter huh?

Also, When Odom was out, he wasnt the only Laker injured. Luke and Kwame also had injuries. So it's only fair to bring that up. Meanwhile, in the games that Kobe missed, only he and Vlad were out. I would say thats a big difference.

 

[cranrab]

I guess Vlad and Luke being out doesnt matter huh?

vladimir radmanovic has been ineffectual euro garbage with seattle, the clippers and the fakers. are you suggesting that his absence DOES matter?

as i explained in another thread, luke walton's absence does matter.

When Odom was out, he wasnt the only Laker injured. Luke and Kwame also had injuries.

tell me something. be honest. do you ever feel bad for irresponsibly throwing around false information and lies? never mind. i see you did it again a few sentences later.

for the record, luke walton and lamar odom WERE NOT INJURED AT THE SAME TIME. luke walton was injured during the game against charlotte, which is the same game that lamar odom returned.

you do deserve credit for accurately pointing out that kwame brown and lamar odom were injured at the same time. 11 games in january. during that time, the fakers were 7-4 (.640) without both kwame brown and lamar odom.

that means that the fakers were 5-5 (.500) with kwame brown but without lamar odom. kind of blows the bullshit theory you were trying to float out of the water.

in the games that Kobe missed, only he and Vlad were out. I would say thats a big difference.

i would say that there's a big difference between the truth and your ridiculous fiction. have you no shame, man?

vladimir radmanovic played in ALL FOUR games that tobe has not appeared in. vladimir radmanovic even STARTED in one of them. kwame brown, on the other hand, was a DNP in 3 of the 4 games where tobe was also a DNP.

this is a perfect example of why "some people" can not engage in rational basketball discussions; their distorted versions of reality won't allow them to accurately perceive the TRUTH.

 

[TimRock]

do you ever feel bad for irresponsibly throwing around false information and lies?

No one is intending to lie. I didn't go back and check, that's all. But thanks for pointing it out for me. I just vaguely remember a time when Vlad had broken fingers (or something like that) and he was out for a few games. I thought this happened at the beginning of the season.

this is a perfect example of why "some people" can not engage in rational basketball discussions; their distorted versions of reality won't allow them to accurately perceive the TRUTH.

Cool. No sweat.

 

[cranrab]

Re: we can put this thread to rest

12-11 (.520) without lamar odom.

lost tonight to the minnesota timberwolves in 2OT.

minnesota last took the boston celtics to 2OT.

 

[cranrab]

Re: we can put this thread to rest

12-12 (.500) without lamar odom.

lost tonight to the 22-39 (.360) milwaukee bucks

 

[TimRock]

Re: we can put this thread to rest

12-12 (.500) without lamar odom.

lost tonight to the 22-39 (.360) milwaukee bucks

What? No breakdown of why they lost, or who blew what defensive assignment, or who turned the ball over too many times that led to the other teams points? Who was accountable for Bogut and Charlie shooting 20 for 24 combined? With Charlie going 6 for 8 from behind the arc, wow, who was guarding him? While Smush and Sasha go for 4 for 14. But i guess they did play good defense against Redd and Williams (7 for 21). Oh and it was a back to back, so that could have been the reason. Or better yet, maybe it was all the injuries. Yeah, that's it.

I guess if Kobe doesn't play, there's no point in analyzing the game right?

 

[cranrab]

Re: we can put this thread to rest

I guess if Kobe doesn't play, there's no point in analyzing the game right?

what, no "inadvertent" lies? what, no hazy-memory based intelligence as the foundation of baseless conclusions?

it's well known historical fact that when tobe is out, coach jackson uses those games as "tune ups" to fiddle with the lineups and take long looks at players in different situations.

remember the utah jazz home-home series?

did you notice the different starting lineups for Q1 and Q3?

or did you not watch the game at all?

and why do you solicit my analysis? are you incapable of offering one yourself?

 

[TimRock]

and why do you solicit my analysis? are you incapable of offering one yourself?

You seem to always do it (when kobe is playing or not playing), but you didnt do it for this game. I wonder why. And you still haven't. But I dont expect you to. Guess we will will have to wait for LA's next game for that.

 

[cranrab]

You seem to always do it (when kobe is playing or not playing), but you didnt do it for this game.

more muddled logic from you timbush.

from YOUR OWN observation,

IF i always do "it" (with "it" being a game analysis) when tobe is playing OR not playing,

THEN me not doing "it" (with "it" again being a game analysis) for the milwaukee bucks game WOULD NECESSARILY HAVE NOTHING TO DO WITH TOBE PLAYING OR NOT PLAYING.

step your mind game up, partner.

I wonder why. And you still haven't. But I dont expect you to.

OF COURSE YOU'RE WONDERING. you refuse to accept that lamar odom is the fakers MVP. if the fakers couldn't beat the bucks with lamar odom in the lineup, it shouldn't have been that difficult to understand that they were going to lose to the bucks without lamar odom in the lineup. it's not magic.

Guess we will will have to wait for LA's next game for that.

let's hope so. with tobe leading the fakers, there are always ample opportunities to provide further evidence in support of this thread's topic. BTW, have you EVER substantively contributed to the thread, or do you just always don the cape for comic relief?

 

[TimRock]

IF i always do "it" (with "it" being a game analysis) when tobe is playing OR not playing,

THEN me not doing "it" (with "it" again being a game analysis) for the milwaukee bucks game WOULD NECESSARILY HAVE NOTHING TO DO WITH TOBE PLAYING OR NOT PLAYING.

step your mind game up, partner.

but you didnt do it for this game

The point is, the games Kobe has not played in (not sure if you did "it" for the Knicks game), you managed to point out their winning record and why they won. But when they lose without Kobe, you dont provide an analysis.

For instance, the game against the Wolves. You pointed out everything Kobe did wrong, but when he didn't play last night, you fail to say what that reason was. We all know, thanks to your "FACTS" that when the lakers lose, kobe is the cause. So what was the cause last night? That's all i'm asking.

you refuse to accept that lamar odom is the fakers MVP.

I never said he wasn't. I never said anything to that effect. Please find where I made such statement. If you cant, who's the liar now?

 

[cranrab]

For instance, the game against the Wolves. You pointed out everything Kobe did wrong

i pointed out how tobe's miserable performance of even the most basic fundamental basketball in the final 91 seconds of regulation primarily contributed to the fakers loss. in doing so, i refuted the popularly reported notion that william parker was somehow responsible for the loss.

i had no intention of offering an analysis of that game, but you may have noticed that SP requested it. i was happy to comply.

So what was the cause last night? That's all i'm asking.

and i already replied. the answer has been sitting there.

I never said he wasn't. I never said anything to that effect. Please find where I made such statement. If you cant, who's the liar now?

why all the nervous verbal dancing? no need for anyone to go looking for a timbush quote.

i'll make it easy. i'll even type your response for you. just reply to this post by quoting which one of these statments most accurately reflects your opinion.

lamar odom is the MVP of his current team.

lamar odom is not the MVP of his current team.

 

[TimRock]

why all the nervous verbal dancing? no need for anyone to go looking for a timbush quote.

Because it doesn't exist, Cranberry.

i'll make it easy. i'll even type your response for you. just reply to this post by quoting which one of these statments most accurately reflects your opinion.

lamar odom is the MVP of his current team.

lamar odom is not the MVP of his current team.

Good way to cover up that lie you just told.
BTW, Lamar was the MVP, before he got injured. Is that better?

 

[cranrab]

Good way to cover up that lie you just told.

uh, just because you CLAIM it is a lie doesn't make it so. nothing has been established (especially by you) yet.

Lamar was the MVP, before he got injured.

can you clean this sentence up a bit, so that we may continue the discussion? because that qualifying remark doesn't make your meaning clear.

do you mean to say that lamar odom is not the MVP while he is injured? do you believe that another player is the MVP while he is injured?

 

[TimRock]

uh, just because you CLAIM it is a lie doesn't make it so. nothing has been established (especially by you) yet.

Well until you prove it to be true, it's a lie, by you.

do you mean to say that lamar odom is not the MVP while he is injured? do you believe that another player is the MVP while he is injured?

What i mean to say is, how can he be mvp if he is not playing? Before his injury, yes, he was the teams mvp. After he got hurt........i believe it's safe to say that the team doesn't have an mvp anymore. If that were the case, their record in the last 11 or so games wouldnt be what it is.

Don't worry Cranberry, I will never say Kobe is the greatest or make any comment remotely similar to that. Until he proves it to me.

 

[cranrab]

12-13 (.480)

fakers haven't won in philly in 7 years.

sixers were 23-38.

tobe went 3-14 FGAs (21%) in the 2nd half.

guess he couldn't "take over" the game and "will his team to victory".

are we experiencing a flash back to march and april 2005?

 

[cranrab]

american idiom about enough rope?

you refuse to accept that lamar odom is the fakers MVP.

I never said he wasn't. I never said anything to that effect.

Well until you prove it to be true, it's a lie, by you.

how can [lamar odom] be mvp if he is not playing? Before [lamar odom’s] injury, yes, he was the teams mvp. After [lamar odom] got hurt... i believe it's safe to say that the team doesn't have an mvp anymore.

 

[cranrab]

fakers 2006-07 record 12-14 (.462) without lamar odom

for those new to this thread, it was created to point out that lamar odom (not tobe) is critical to the fakers' success as a team.

the fakers' ever-worsening record without lamar odom in the starting lineup since 2005 provides a growing body of evidence that this is a TRUTH.

fakers 2004-05 after 64 games: 32-32

fakers 2005-06 after 64 games: 33-31

fakers 2006-07 after 64 games: 33-31

also, tonight marked the SECOND time coach jackson has lost 6 consecutive games in his career as an NBA coach. the FIRST time coach jackson lost 6 consecutive games in his career was also this year.

 

[hanginbals]

Re: will history repeat itself?