will history repeat itself?

[cranrab]

4-4.

a VERY STRONG performance by william parker in Q3 changed the complexion of the game.

productive minutes by andrew bynum in Q4 sealed the game. tobe wasn't on the floor during that stretch either.

 

[Rollie_Fingaz]

What I want to know is... How is one of the "greatest defenders in the game" is continually getting torched for 40+ points by "lesser talented" SGs

On another note... Mark Jackson sucks up more to Bryant than Ahmad Rashad did to his "main man" Michael Jordan

NO ONE verbally tops off Jordan or Kobe like Bob Costas..

 

[cranrab]

4-5.

how did the 7-21 charlotte bobcats defeat this mighty WORSTern conference team?

tobe misses TWO shots in the final :20 of regulation and it's OT for charlotte v. fakers.

tobe goes 0-3 in 1OT.

raymond felton's dismal FG% (6-20) is preventing them from winning the game in OT. adam morrison's dismal FG% (1-15) prevented the bobcats from winning in regulation. with the ridiculously poor 20% shooting of those two (7-35), how in the hell did the fakers not wrap this up in regulation?

on to 2OT.

more of same. tobe livened up and went 2-4 FGAs. charlotte fans, should matt carroll be starting over adam morrison? brevin knight didn't play, sean may didn't play. jake voskuhl fouled out. gerald wallace has fouled out. can the fakers finish this team off?

on to 3OT.

tobe commits foul on derek anderson behind the arc. derek anderson hits all 3 FTAs. tobe tries to counter with a 3, but bricks. shortly thereafter, tobe fouls out.

emekah okafor had a pretty good game, but his missed dunks reminded me of ac green.

 

[Rollie_Fingaz]

CHARLOTTE, N.C. (AP) -- Kobe Bryant walked slowly into the locker room, sighed and stopped instead of continuing to his locker to meet reporters.

"I don't want to have to walk all the way over there," Bryant said.

Bryant was exhausted. His 58 points in 55 minutes were offset by two key errors in the third overtime, and the Charlotte Bobcats outlasted the Los Angeles Lakers 133-124 on Friday night.

"I don't want to have to do that," Bryant said of his big scoring night. "It's too tiring."

Bryant spoiled the third-highest point total of his career by committing a foul on Derek Anderson's 3-point attempt with 1:14 left. Anderson hit all three free throws to give Charlotte a 129-124 lead.

Bryant then missed a long jumper and fouled out when Anderson drew a charge on the next possession. Bryant shot 22-of-45 and his performance trailed only his 81-point game last January in Toronto and a 62-point effort last December in Dallas.

"I've been guarding him for 10 years," Anderson said. "I knew he was going to drive and do that."

Bryant disagreed with both foul calls.

"Silly calls," Bryant said. "I saw what (New Jersey Nets guard Jason) Kidd said and I don't want to be $20,000 lighter."

Emeka Okafor had 22 points and a career-high 25 rebounds, Gerald Wallace scored 28 and Matt Carroll added a career-high 27 points for the Bobcats, who played their first triple-overtime game in franchise history.

Raymond Felton added 22 points and 15 assists in 57 minutes for the Bobcats, who snapped a three-game losing streak.

"I'm hurting, no question," Felton said. "But this was one of the best games in history. I'm glad I was a part of it."

Rookie Adam Morrison was held to five points on 1-of-15 shooting, but the Bobcats were able to get another win against a good team. Five of Charlotte's eight victories have come against Utah, Detroit, Orlando, San Antonio, and the Lakers, who ended a six-game road trip 3-3 despite Bryant's third 50-point game of the season.

The trouble was nobody else scored more than 14 points or took more than 10 shots for the Lakers, and Bryant appeared to tire down the stretch.

"I was yelling at them to run their offense and get away from that. They just seemed to be going back to him all the time," Lakers coach Phil Jackson said.

Bryant curiously passed on throwing up a prayer at the end of the second overtime and Sasha Vujacic couldn't get a shot off at the buzzer, creating the NBA's second triple-overtime game in three nights. New York beat Detroit 151-145 on Wednesday night.

Bryant missed two jumpers at the end of regulation, including a 20-footer at the buzzer, and Felton missed two shots in the final five seconds of the first overtime for Charlotte.

Wallace fouled out late in the first overtime when he picked up two fouls in 15 seconds trying to guard Bryant.

Little-used Bernard Robinson replaced him, and scored four points in the third OT.

"We wanted him to go in for defense, and he ended up giving us a little bit of offense," coach Bernie Bickerstaff said.

Bryant's 3-pointer with 2:34 left in regulation snapped a tie and his fadeaway with 1:47 left made it 101-98. But Carroll's floater and a putback kept the Bobcats in it, and Wallace's three-point play with 43 seconds left tied it.

Bryant scored 27 points in the first half, but picked up his fourth foul -- and a technical foul for arguing -- with seven minutes left in the third quarter.

He sat out the final five minutes of the period and the Bobcats took a five-point lead on Carroll's 3.

Bryant didn't take long to wow the crowd of 19,561, the largest in the arena's two-year history. He hit six of his first seven shots, including a spectacular one-handed dunk off an alley-oop pass, to give the Lakers a 22-12 lead. The Lakers led by as many as 14 in the first quarter.

"The fans got to see Kobe Bryant at his best, but for us to be able to come out on top tonight was great," Wallace said

Notes

Bobcats G Brevin Knight underwent successful surgery to repair a torn abdominal muscle Friday in Philadelphia. Bickerstaff said Knight will be able to begin rehabilitation in about a week, and hopes to return in a month. ... Bickerstaff said he's not sure if they'll bring in another point guard, which would require them to release a player. ... Jackson acknowledged it's been tough being on the road for 12 days after recently undergoing hip replacement surgery. "It was a challenge," said Jackson, who still noticeably limps.

 

[xfactor]

It's kind of hard to win any game at the pro level against even the worst teams when you have one player taking more FGA that the whole team combined

The sad part is that as much as Wobe's fan boys are praising his 58 point game he is also the sole reason the Bobcats were able to win.

He scored 58 but how many points did he give up when he was getting torched by Matt Carroll and Gerald Wallace all game?

All I know is that Lamar Odom better come back soon to restore balance or this team is going to tank harder than the 2001-2002 Cavaliers

 

[cranrab]

the fakers' fate was sealed in Q2 and Q3. no other faker not named tobe shot more than 2 FGAs.

 

[cranrab]

5-5.

fakers took care of business at staples. tobe had a very efficient shooting night tonight.

 

[Rollie_Fingaz]

..meanwhile Iverson has an equally efficient 28 point, 8 assist, 7 steal night wasted because Demarr Johnson and Yakhouba Diawara can't make a shot against the Mavs..

Melo and J.R. Smith should be kicking themselves right now..

 

[cranrab]

6-5.

fakers beat their fellow WORSTern conference sacramento kings tonight in OT. both squads down big men. fakers no kwame brown, kings no brad miller. was it a wash?

andrew bynum replaced kwame brown but shareef abdur rahim replaced brad miller.

brian cook set his season high in Q1, going 6-8 FGAs and luke walton went 4-5 FGAs. lakers finished Q1 up 33-18 (+15).

neither team played any D in Q2 as the fakers scored 41 and the kings scored 40 in the quarter fakers went into the half up by 16.

 

[RunawaySlave]

I did not watch this game (can't take Albert's voice) but as a
fantasy bball phanatic, I was keeping tabs on the boxscore.....

I know that doesn't mean alot, but I noticed one thing about
the game. Numbers CAN show you TRENDS on what happened.

It was close to halftime, the Lakers were up approx 13 points
Bryant had a TOTAL of 4 FGAs. Bryan Cook was leading
the team with about 10 attempts. One other player had as many
attempts (think it was Smush)

The bottom line is that Bryant had less shots attempts than all
other starters and the team was WINNING by double digits. However
the offense was running, it was running smoothly and the team
was rolling (at the half)


I did not go back to that boxscore until much later. The score
when I returned to it was 128-126 Lakers. But Bryant was now
leading the team in FGAs. Apparently, he went on some kind of
chuckwagon in the second half and the Kings rallied behind it. At
least, that's what the numbers are telling me. I don't even know
the outcome (until coming here), but it seems as though this game
did not have to be this difficult of a win for LA

Again, I do not know. I did not watch it. But numbers do not lie
if you analyze them correctly

 

[TrojansFan]

I did not watch this game (can't take Albert's voice) but as a
fantasy bball phanatic, I was keeping tabs on the boxscore.....

I know that doesn't mean alot, but I noticed one thing about
the game. Numbers CAN show you TRENDS on what happened.

It was close to halftime, the Lakers were up approx 13 points
Bryant had a TOTAL of 4 FGAs. Bryan Cook was leading
the team with about 10 attempts. One other player had as many
attempts (think it was Smush)

The bottom line is that Bryant had less shots attempts than all
other starters and the team was WINNING by double digits. However
the offense was running, it was running smoothly and the team
was rolling (at the half)


I did not go back to that boxscore until much later. The score
when I returned to it was 128-126 Lakers. But Bryant was now
leading the team in FGAs. Apparently, he went on some kind of
chuckwagon in the second half and the Kings rallied behind it. At
least, that's what the numbers are telling me. I don't even know
the outcome (until coming here), but it seems as though this game
did not have to be this difficult of a win for LA

Again, I do not know. I did not watch it. But numbers do not lie
if you analyze them correctly

Well, since I watched the game I will help you out...

Kobe started the game without looking for his shot at all... he was feeding his teammates and they (mostly Brian Cook) was hitting the open shots. It wasn't until the Lakers started missing shots and the Kings made their run that Kobe took control and started shooting. In fact, if not for Kobe scoring late in the 4th and OT the Lakers lose this game... so save your boxscore analysis, it is completely faulty!!!

As long as you are reading stats... you should have noticed that Kobe didnt stop passing to Cook, he stop hitting his shots (started 4or5 for 6 [3 of which by the way were assists from Kobe] when he was leading scorer then finished 10 for 16), in fact late in the game he was reluctant to even shoot the open shot when he got the ball!

The one thing that is evident is that the Lakers really miss Lamar Odom. Not only is he one of their best defenders, he is the only other legitimate offensive threat (besides Kobe) who can create his own shot or set up others consistently.

 

[cranrab]

I did not watch this game (can't take Albert's voice)

southern californians can watch the games on kcal 9 (local) so we don't have to watch tnt like the rest of the nation. we get the road games on fox sports west too. as long as you can tolerate the fakers shills, it's OK.

Bryant had less shots attempts than all
other starters and the team was WINNING by double digits. However
the offense was running, it was running smoothly and the team
was rolling (at the half)

a phenomena also witnessed in all of the tobe-less fakers victories.

it seems as though this game
did not have to be this difficult of a win for LA

another phenomena also witnessed in all of the tobe-less fakers victories.

 

[cranrab]

It wasn't until the Lakers started missing shots and the Kings made their run that Kobe took control and started shooting.

pray tell, kind armenian, EXACTLY when did the fakers not named tobe start "missing shots and the kings made their run"? can you pinpoint a moment in your opinion when this run began? and when the fakers not named tobe started "missing shots"? thanks in advance.

if not for Kobe scoring late in the 4th and OT the Lakers lose this game... so save your boxscore analysis, it is completely faulty

odd comments coming from someone who claims to have WATCHED the game. i'll give you the benefit of the doubt and concede that you MAY HAVE watched the game. but do you UNDERSTAND what you claim to have watched? because people who KNOW basketball WATCHED the sacramento kings SCORE AFTER ALL BUT ONE of tobe's missed FGAs and TOs in Q4.

that's SIGNIFICANT, because with 6:18 left to play in regulation, the fakers had a 12 point lead. guess whose poor decisions and bad play (PFs and TOs) lead the way for the comeback?

Kobe didnt stop passing to Cook, he stop hitting his shots

brian cook finished 10-19 FGAs. at 52.6 FG%, he wasn't missing much.

tobe finished 11-21 FGAs. at 52.3 FG%, tobe was shooting less accurately than brian cook.

moreover, brian cook played 13+ FEWER minutes than tobe.

you're hilarious.

late in the game [brian cook] was reluctant to even shoot the open shot when he got the ball

are you SURE you watched the game? because if you REALLY did, you'd have noticed that brian cook missed 3 shots in the final minutes of Q4. guess what? tobe missed 3 shots in the final minutes of Q4 as well. maybe you're viewing things with a skewed eye, eh?

one thing that is evident is that the Lakers really miss Lamar Odom.

funny that some of us have been saying that for 2+ seasons, and others are just NOW beginning to acknowledge that.

 

[TrojansFan]

pray tell, kind armenian, EXACTLY when did the fakers not named tobe start "missing shots and the kings made their run"? can you pinpoint a moment in your opinion when this run began? and when the fakers not named tobe started "missing shots"? thanks in advance.



odd comments coming from someone who claims to have WATCHED the game. i'll give you the benefit of the doubt and concede that you MAY HAVE watched the game. but do you UNDERSTAND what you claim to have watched? because people who KNOW basketball WATCHED the sacramento kings SCORE AFTER ALL BUT ONE of tobe's missed FGAs and TOs in Q4.

that's SIGNIFICANT, because with 6:18 left to play in regulation, the fakers had a 12 point lead. guess whose poor decisions and bad play (PFs and TOs) lead the way for the comeback?





brian cook finished 10-19 FGAs. at 52.6 FG%, he wasn't missing much.

tobe finished 11-21 FGAs. at 52.3 FG%, tobe was shooting less accurately than brian cook.

moreover, brian cook played 13+ FEWER minutes than tobe.

you're hilarious.





are you SURE you watched the game? because if you REALLY did, you'd have noticed that brian cook missed 3 shots in the final minutes of Q4. guess what? tobe missed 3 shots in the final minutes of Q4 as well. maybe you're viewing things with a skewed eye, eh?



funny that some of us have been saying that for 2+ seasons, and others are just NOW beginning to acknowledge that.

Brian Cook started 5 for 6 as I said earlier, so finishing 10-19, meant he missed 8 of his last 13 shots. He was on fire early, but went in the tank after the 1st quarter on his shooting. And I never said he didnt shoot the ball at all in the 4th, he did and missed, but he also had at least 3 wide open shots that he was reluctant to take. Are you sure you watched the same game I did???

What is really hillarious is that Kobe was 1 assist short of a triple-double in a victory and you still critisize him! That's hillarious. His teammates were praising his play and unselfishness last night, but you were sitting on your couch criticisizing him??? Hillarious

I still don't don't understand, you hate the Lakers, you hate Kobe, and yet you sit down and watch everygame they/he plays. Somebody is obsessed!

 

[cranrab]

What is really hillarious is that Kobe was 1 assist short of a triple-double in a victory and you still critisize him

WOW. is this the new measure of how we grade players? "almost" accomplishing a statistical milestone is something to be highly regarded? newsflash: there are DOZENS of "almost" performances in the league every week.

furthermore, it's amusing that you do NOT criticize tobe for his play. if you were HONEST enough, or perhaps CAPABLE enough, you'd recognize that tobe's inefficient (ball economy) play, poor shot selection, and poor decision making is MORE OFTEN THAN NOT the reason why the fakers have HISTORICALLY struggled throughout his career. but instead, you're tabulating his stats and his "almosts".

you hate the Lakers, you hate Kobe, and yet you sit down and watch everygame they/he plays.

YES. it's called RESEARCH. i'm a grown man, so i like to be ACCURATE and RESPONSIBLE for the comments that i make. that is why my statements are FACT. i take the necessary steps to make educated statements, and not litter my posts with emotional nonsense, fiction and lies.

for example:

you wrote a couple responses ago that cook finished 10-16. i then corrected you that he finished 10-19. no big deal, but incorrect nevertheless.

you wrote that brian cook was 5-6 FGAs in Q1. NEVER happened. why make shit up? just admit you didn't watch. you'd be a bigger armenian for it.

brian cook started off Q1 on fire, going 6-6 FGAs in the first 5:22 of Q1. set his SEASON high in scoring in 5:22. brian cook finished Q1 6-8 FGAs. your statements were incorrect, and calls into question (again) whether or not you actually watched the game.

maybe you DO tune into the games. but maybe you're so preoccupied with tobe that you don't watch anyone (or anything) else. that's a damn shame if you're a man.

 

[TrojansFan]

WOW. is this the new measure of how we grade players? "almost" accomplishing a statistical milestone is something to be highly regarded? newsflash: there are DOZENS of "almost" performances in the league every week.

furthermore, it's amusing that you do NOT criticize tobe for his play. if you were HONEST enough, or perhaps CAPABLE enough, you'd recognize that tobe's inefficient (ball economy) play, poor shot selection, and poor decision making is MORE OFTEN THAN NOT the reason why the fakers have HISTORICALLY struggled throughout his career. but instead, you're tabulating his stats and his "almosts".



YES. it's called RESEARCH. i'm a grown man, so i like to be ACCURATE and RESPONSIBLE for the comments that i make. that is why my statements are FACT. i take the necessary steps to make educated statements, and not litter my posts with emotional nonsense, fiction and lies.

for example:

you wrote a couple responses ago that cook finished 10-16. i then corrected you that he finished 10-19. no big deal, but incorrect nevertheless.

you wrote that brian cook was 5-6 FGAs in Q1. NEVER happened. why make shit up? just admit you didn't watch. you'd be a bigger armenian for it.

brian cook started off Q1 on fire, going 6-6 FGAs in the first 5:22 of Q1. set his SEASON high in scoring in 5:22. brian cook finished Q1 6-8 FGAs. your statements were incorrect, and calls into question (again) whether or not you actually watched the game.

maybe you DO tune into the games. but maybe you're so preoccupied with tobe that you don't watch anyone (or anything) else. that's a damn shame if you're a man.

Dude, get a clue. The reason why my stats are not pristine is because I don't searching box scores for my info, I watch the games!!! So my numbers my not be exact, but the point is accurate! Your correcting of my Brian Cook stats just further proves my point, that he was hot has shit in the 1st quarter and lousy after that! I watched the game, I knew that, what difference does it make if I dont get the exact number correct, but I'm obviously not lying or making shit up since your numbers supports my original statementrs better than the numbers I used... so I actually erred on the side of caution, so exactly again what is the point of your post...

That I was correct in my assessment of Brian Cook's play and that I actaully watch the games for my enjoyment instead of charting every fucking shot.

And as far as Kobe Bryant, I know he wasn't perfect, I don't know of any basketball player that is. But he clearly was the reason they won the game last night. Its funny how when Kobe has a bad game or makes a mistake youa re quick to point it out, but you can't point out when he has a good game or is the reason they won. 40+ points, 10 rebounds, 9 assists and you try to suggest he was the reason they almost lost. gtfoh! How could you even type some shit comparing Kobe's shooting in the game to Cook's when you knew better than I did that he finished the game misssing 7 of his last 11 shots and 0-3 in the 4th quarter (i looked that up). This just shows your bias and that what you type might be facts, but only the facts that support your bias not the whole truth. You already knew the info, but failed to mention it up front. So if you want to claim to be so FACT based, try posting the entire truth, not just the part you like. Somebody who wasn't biased would have praised 50%+ shooting for guard (which is superb), 10 rebounds (also outstanding for a guard), and 9 assists (which is not great but still very good for a guard, and 4 TOs (is not bad for any player that touches the ball as much as he did in the game. And yet, only negative comments about a couple shots he missed down the stretch??? What about the shots he made down the stretch and the assist that sent the game into OT??? dude, why don't you redirect hate elsewhere? Your comments regarding this game are completely laughable!!!

 

[cranrab]

The reason why my stats are not pristine is because I don't searching box scores for my info, I watch the games

i've already conceded the possibility that you DO tune in. it's plausible, however, that you do not comprehend what you are watching.

in your irrational idolatry of tobe, you'd probably attribute the creation of rain and the invention of antibiotics to him too.

your failure to give appropriate credit to other fakers not named tobe is equally disturbing as your inability to see the glaring faults in tobe's oft-demonstrated lack of performance in team basketball.

for example, brian cook, luke walton and andrew bynum played LIGHTS OUT Q1 basketball. 15 point fakers lead, set the tone for the entire 1st half. you know damn well tobe had no scoring hand in that, so what are you left to do? try to weasel into the discussion that tobe had four assists in Q1? pathetic.

as if those four assists had something to do with tobe's talent level and NOT the more likely explanation that the triangle O creates those scoring (and hence assist) opportunities.

as far as Kobe Bryant, I know he wasn't perfect, I don't know of any basketball player that is. But he clearly was the reason they won the game last night.

tell me something. if a player on a winning team scores 11 FGs but gives up the same (or more) to the opponent, can it accurately be stated that THAT PLAYER won a game?

you can't point out when he has a good game or is the reason they won.

because it so rarely happens. perhaps ONCE in two seasons. but i am the FIRST to point it out.

40+ points, 10 rebounds, 9 assists and you try to suggest he was the reason they almost lost. gtfoh

and this is another CRYSTAL illustration of why you are not prepared to seriously discuss basketball. you comment as though those statistics (40 pts, 10 rbs, 9 asts) somehow CONTRADICT the contention that tobe's poor play is the reason the fakers lost the lead in the 2nd half. newsflash 2: they don't.

the assist that sent the game into OT?

"dude", i've played A LOT of basketball in my life, and i've NEVER seen an assist that could send a game into OT. i've seen PLENTY of great made shots send games into OT, but never an assist.

stop reaching, it's pathetic. you seem to be asserting that william parker would not have made the shot had it not been for the magical pass tobe blessed him with. did tobe look off william parker's defender for him? no. did tobe's penetration leave william parker with an uncontested layup? no.

give credit where credit is due, and stop making shit up in order to praise your idol. it's NOT a good look for a man. Black or armenian.

you sound like those ignorant NFL commentators that praise a QB when he lofts a ball up in the air, but it's actually the WR that did all the work to run and go get it.

 

[cranrab]

7-5.

fakers hit the scheduling trifecta this week, playing the atlantic cellar dwelling 76ers, PUSSific cellar dwelling kings, and the backsliding northWORST nuggets, who have lost their last 3 in a row. well, 4 now.

what's more is that the nuggets haven't scored 100 points in the past 3 games, and have only 88 almost half way through Q4.

this game is perfect proof for my last few responses in this thread. why?

Q1, william parker and andrew bynum played LIGHTS OUT. supported well by luke walton and brian cook. tobe was inconsequential, and guess what? fakers take Q1 35-28. but you knew that, because you watched, right?

Q2, william parker and luke walton kept the pressure on, and maurice evans and jordan farmar provided a good lift off the bench. tobe was inconsequential, and guess what? fakers take Q2 33-27

Q3, luke walton, brian cook, and andrew bynum smoke the nuggets. tobe tries to join the party, but goes 2-7, with 4 of those lazy attempts from behind the arc. guess what? fakers take Q3 36-26

Q4, coach jackson empties the bench. tobe goes 2-9 (22.2%) for the game, but i'm SURE someone will say he was the reason the fakers won tonight.

wait, i'm being unfairly critical of tobe again. after all, tobe had 10 assists and 8 points, and any objective person can see that he "almost" had a double double tonight. i should cut him some slack.

i guess that makes luke walton the next julius erving, because luke walton had 18 points, 8 assists and 5 rebounds (as many as tobe).

EDIT: just wanted to add that the nuggets DID manage to break the 100 point mark in garbage time: 104. SEVEN fakers shot better than tobe tonight. two that did NOT: fellow euros vlade radmanovic and sasha vujacic. no surprise. SIX fakers outscored tobe. how in the hell did those scrubs, losers, bums and rejects pull that off?

 

[RunawaySlave]

As long as you are reading stats... you should have noticed that Kobe didnt stop passing to Cook, he stop hitting his shots (started 4or5 for 6 [3 of which by the way were assists from Kobe] when he was leading scorer then finished 10 for 16), in fact late in the game he was reluctant to even shoot the open shot when he got the ball!

In paragraph 4, I clearly stated that after halftime, I did not
return to the boxscore until the score was 128-126 Lakers. That
sounds like an overtime score to me

I do not know who missed what. I do know that Cook and one
other player had 11 or 12 FGAs by halftime. If you say Cook
had 19 shots for the game. Which means he took only 8 shots
in the second half at best. Assuming 3 or 4 of those came in the
third quarter (I do not know), then it's safe to assume that 3
or 4 came in the 4th quarter. And if he took 3 in the last minute
of the game alone, that means he did not get many looks for a
large portion of the second half (that doesn't take into account
any FGAs in the OT period). At any rate, his role in the offense
changed from one half to the next. In the 1st, he was afforded
opportunitites and in the 2nd half, he was not. In the 1st half,
the offense was going thru him (and that other player), in the
second half, it did not. In the 1st half, the offense was rolling
along shooting at a good % with a double digit lead and in the
2nd half, it did not

Now what's "faulty" in that? Only name I mention is Cook. And why
it seems like he was about to get a 30 point night and lead the
team in scoring and ends up excluded from the offense. Not like
the Kings got any answers on the front line for him

 

[TrojansFan]

In paragraph 4, I clearly stated that after halftime, I did not
return to the boxscore until the score was 128-126 Lakers. That
sounds like an overtime score to me

I do not know who missed what. I do know that Cook and one
other player had 11 or 12 FGAs by halftime. If you say Cook
had 19 shots for the game. Which means he took only 8 shots
in the second half at best. Assuming 3 or 4 of those came in the
third quarter (I do not know), then it's safe to assume that 3
or 4 came in the 4th quarter. And if he took 3 in the last minute
of the game alone, that means he did not get many looks for a
large portion of the second half (that doesn't take into account
any FGAs in the OT period). At any rate, his role in the offense
changed from one half to the next. In the 1st, he was afforded
opportunitites and in the 2nd half, he was not. In the 1st half,
the offense was going thru him (and that other player), in the
second half, it did not. In the 1st half, the offense was rolling
along shooting at a good % with a double digit lead and in the
2nd half, it did not

Now what's "faulty" in that? Only name I mention is Cook. And why
it seems like he was about to get a 30 point night and lead the
team in scoring and ends up excluded from the offense. Not like
the Kings got any answers on the front line for him

Once again, the problem with reading boxscores...
You have no clue what happened! The offense never ran through Brian Cook! That was faulty. The ball was in Kobe's hands and he was drawing double teams and dishing to Cook wide open for long range jumpers. You assumed that because Cook is 6'10" that he was playing in the post that is what happens when you read boxscores... you have no clue about the game! And you obviously don't watch the Lakers much at all, or you would know that Cook is rarely ever in the post, he is a spot up shooter and the Lakers don't have ANY set plays for him!!! LMAO, at reading boxscores and assuming the offense ran through Cook!

 

[RunawaySlave]

You assumed that because Cook is 6'10" that he was playing in the post that is what happens when you read boxscores...

I know exactly what kind of offensive player Cook is. You are the
one making "assumptions" about me. There is nothing about his
game this is new to me.

Also, just because a man doesn't handle the ball alot does not
mean the offense was not going through him. Reggie Miller rarely
handled the ball except for when he shot it, yet the offense ran
through him every single game.

That is just ONE example of an offense running through a player
who doesn't handle the ball much. You can make the case for
damn near every center whose ever played. They only handle it
(primarily) when they are ready to shoot

And before you react to the comparison, I am NOT comparing Cook
to Reggie Miller except in that they are both outside shooters.


But there ain't no way in hell Ima keep going around with you on
a point I done made several times. Not into that bullshit. The
BOTTOM LINE is that the Lakers lost that big lead when the focal
point of the offense shifted away from Cook for this particular game


Also. There is the case of last night's game. Just reiterates the
point again. Equal distribution of the shots, easy win for the Lakers

It's a really simple concept....and it works most of the time

I'm done

 

[TrojansFan]

I know exactly what kind of offensive player Cook is. You are the
one making "assumptions" about me. There is nothing about his
game this is new to me.

Also, just because a man doesn't handle the ball alot does not
mean the offense was not going through him. Reggie Miller rarely
handled the ball except for when he shot it, yet the offense ran
through him every single game.

That is just ONE example of an offense running through a player
who doesn't handle the ball much. You can make the case for
damn near every center whose ever played. They only handle it
(primarily) when they are ready to shoot

And before you react to the comparison, I am NOT comparing Cook
to Reggie Miller except in that they are both outside shooters.


But there ain't no way in hell Ima keep going around with you on
a point I done made several times. Not into that bullshit. The
BOTTOM LINE is that the Lakers lost that big lead when the focal
point of the offense shifted away from Cook for this particular game


Also. There is the case of last night's game. Just reiterates the
point again. Equal distribution of the shots, easy win for the Lakers

It's a really simple concept....and it works most of the time

I'm done

When you make the statement that the offense runs through somebody...
that suggests that they are the primary ball handler in the offense that sets up the rest of the team, that can be a guard that creates off of the dribble or a post player that sucks the defense in and dishes to the open player. No such thing as the offense running through a spot-up shooter.

And your comparision between Miller and Cook, is absurd. In Indiana, they had set plays for Miller where they ran him off of screens to get him open shots. I will repeat, Cook has no plays called for him in the Lakers offense. Nothing runs through him in any way shape or form. His job is to space the floor and provide an outlet for the primary ballhandler (penetrating guard or post-up player) and hit the open shot if they draw the double-team.

So, not only do you read boxscores and try to figure out how a game was played... you have no clue about basketball at all, if you can make the statement that the Lakers offense ran through Brian Cook, then try to defend it. You are right, I made the assumption that you knew what running an offense through a player meant... but apparently you don't!


Learn the game and stop reading boxscores before you try to comment on the game!

 

[cranrab]

8-5.

the tomato can parade ended, and the fakers finally played a genuine contender to set a good benchmark. the fakers battled back from a deficit and beat the dallas mavericks at staples.

the fakers struggled the 1st half without andrew bynum, especially on the D boards.

euro sasha vujacic hit the go ahead 3 in Q4 off an assist by luke walton.

william parker followed with a blocked shot on the next dallas possession.

and luke walton scored the final fakers point at the FT line.

 

[Jae-Henchman951]

8-5.

the tomato can parade ended, and the fakers finally played a genuine contender to set a good benchmark. the fakers battled back from a deficit and beat the dallas mavericks at staples.

the fakers struggled the 1st half without andrew bynum, especially on the D boards.

euro sasha vujacic hit the go ahead 3 in Q4 off an assist by luke walton.

william parker followed with a blocked shot on the next dallas possession.

and luke walton scored the final fakers point at the FT line.

You hate the Lakers huh LOL but my perspective and guessing I think they will finish with a 65-70% rec until Lamar returns.

 

[Rollie_Fingaz]

7-5.

fakers hit the scheduling trifecta this week, playing the atlantic cellar dwelling 76ers, PUSSific cellar dwelling kings, and the backsliding northWORST nuggets, who have lost their last 3 in a row. well, 4 now.

what's more is that the nuggets haven't scored 100 points in the past 3 games, and have only 88 almost half way through Q4.

this game is perfect proof for my last few responses in this thread. why?

Q1, william parker and andrew bynum played LIGHTS OUT. supported well by luke walton and brian cook. tobe was inconsequential, and guess what? fakers take Q1 35-28. but you knew that, because you watched, right?

Q2, william parker and luke walton kept the pressure on, and maurice evans and jordan farmar provided a good lift off the bench. tobe was inconsequential, and guess what? fakers take Q2 33-27

Q3, luke walton, brian cook, and andrew bynum smoke the nuggets. tobe tries to join the party, but goes 2-7, with 4 of those lazy attempts from behind the arc. guess what? fakers take Q3 36-26

Q4, coach jackson empties the bench. tobe goes 2-9 (22.2%) for the game, but i'm SURE someone will say he was the reason the fakers won tonight.

wait, i'm being unfairly critical of tobe again. after all, tobe had 10 assists and 8 points, and any objective person can see that he "almost" had a double double tonight. i should cut him some slack.

i guess that makes luke walton the next julius erving, because luke walton had 18 points, 8 assists and 5 rebounds (as many as tobe).

EDIT: just wanted to add that the nuggets DID manage to break the 100 point mark in garbage time: 104. SEVEN fakers shot better than tobe tonight. two that did NOT: fellow euros vlade radmanovic and sasha vujacic. no surprise. SIX fakers outscored tobe. how in the hell did those scrubs, losers, bums and rejects pull that off?

I'm suprised the Nuggets had enough people to play that game. The following game with Utah was worse with Camby getting hurt and sitting out.

Sure could have used Melo and J.R.

 

[xfactor]

You hate the Lakers huh LOL but my perspective and guessing I think they will finish with a 65-70% rec until Lamar returns.

Wishful thinking buddy... They'll be 9-7 at best without Odom before they face Miami on MLK day.

Didnt see the game last night but I'm glad it appears they are playing TEAM basketball. I did see the game on TNT Thursday and when they played as a TEAM they were blowing Sacramento out. The lead didnt decrease until Wobe started trying to "take over" because we all know without him "taking over" the lakers would have gotten blown out

@ fools in this thread that STILL dont get it.

 

[RunawaySlave]

Good shot distribution the last couple of games for the Lakers.
No one player is dominating in that category and the results
have been very good for the team as a result

 

[Jae-Henchman951]

Wishful thinking buddy... They'll be 9-7 at best without Odom before they face Miami on MLK day.

Didnt see the game last night but I'm glad it appears they are playing TEAM basketball. I did see the game on TNT Thursday and when they played as a TEAM they were blowing Sacramento out. The lead didnt decrease until Wobe started trying to "take over" because we all know without him "taking over" the lakers would have gotten blown out

@ fools in this thread that STILL dont get it.

My opinion I doubt that by time they play the Spurs they should of won 3 out the 4. 2nd I didnt get to see the beginning of the Kings game but I highly doubt that the Lakers being up by 20 and Kobe was shooting them out the game since you have been good for it how bout you post your play by plays with minute to minute recap so I can see thank you.

 

[RunawaySlave]

@ fools in this thread that STILL dont get it.

I'm done with em. Been around long enough to know that
those individuals will never "get it". I had these same discussions
20 years ago and all them cats do is regurgitate the same
tired argument over and over....Before you know it, 5 years
done passed

Not worth the trouble

 

[cranrab]

8-6.

memphis outscored the fakers 46-22 in Q3.

who was guarding mike miller in Q3 when he went 6-8 FGAs again?

who was on the floor all 12 minutes of Q3 while his team was ran off the floor?

i wonder why he didn't use his special powers to "will" his team to victory? or "score whenever he wanted to" against the team with the league's WORST record?

 

[xfactor]

My opinion I doubt that by time they play the Spurs they should of won 3 out the 4.

Two predictable double digit loses to the Grizzlies (worst team in the league) and the Rockets (playing without their MVP). Winning 3 out of 4 before playing San Antonio? Like I said above they will be 9-7 at best (8-7 currently) without Odom before they play the Heat on MLK day.

@ you thinking they could play .650 - .700 basketball without Odom in the lineup... Now without Bryant in the lineup, I think thats a different story

2nd I didnt get to see the beginning of the Kings game but I highly doubt that the Lakers being up by 20 and Kobe was shooting them out the game since you have been good for it how bout you post your play by plays with minute to minute recap so I can see thank you.

No need to post the play by play as it was already told in the thread. When the team played as a TEAM in the 1st quarter they were up 20. When Bryant started taking more and more FGA, then lead started to decrease more and more.

Maybe you and your equally inept buddy TrojansFan will start to get it sooner or later and not let the media influence your thinking 100%

 

[cranrab]

8-7.

Q3 was a disaster again.

i could remember a time when the fakers owned Q3. not anymore.

wonder why?

 

[TimRock]

For those that are interested, there are 29 other teams in the league. Some of them have actually lost games as well. Some have lost with and without their star players. The star players are sometimes even on the floor in the midst of a run by the other team. Can someone do a breakdown of each teams winning and losing perentage with and without their star players. Did it for the Lakers, might as well do it for the other teams.

BTW, i saw on sportscenter today that David Stern has been visiting forums about basketball. He came across one particular forum and noticed some interesting, but true statements about Kobe. At that very moment, he decided to take away all of Kobes honors (rings, scoring titles, all team achievements, etc.). Therefor, Kobe is no longer considered a lock to make the HOF. So I guess all this hate actually got somewhere.

 

[xfactor]

Therefor, Kobe is no longer considered a lock to make the HOF.

Funny you mention this because there are 7 (Yes that's right 7) active players that are considered more worthy HOF candidates than Wobe right now.

Yet why is it non of those 7 players are referred to as "the greatest player in the NBA" or "the greatest player since Jordan"

@ idiot Wobe fans.

EDIT:

Speaking of the HOF monitor. I find it funny that people actually have the audacity to compare Wobe and Michael Jordan yet there is almost a whopping 600 point difference in their scores

He'd be lucky to get on the same level as Allen Iverson, let alone Mike.

 

[cranrab]

there are 29 other teams in the league. Some of them have actually lost games as well.

why haven't you started a thread about 1 of them? or are you not really interested?

Some have lost with and without their star players.

and some have misidentified their "star" players. others still aren't ready to acknowledge the true "star" after almost 3 seasons and ample evidence. a shame, no doubt.

The star players are sometimes even on the floor in the midst of a run by the other team.

and yet none of those star players have been anointed "the greatest player in the league" or been said to be able to "score whenever he wants to." so shouldn't the outrageous foolishness and ridiculous fallacy of those statements be pointed out? or should they be glossed over so that nobody knows the king isn't wearing any clothes?

he decided to take away all of Kobes honors (rings, scoring titles, all team achievements, etc.). Therefor, Kobe is no longer considered a lock to make the HOF.

david stern didn't bestow those SUBJECTIVE awards upon tobe, so david stern couldn't and wouldn't take them away. BTW, the only thing he "earned" is the scoring "title" . the rest was a fringe benefit from rolling with a HOF coach and TRUE HOF player in shaquille o'neal.

thanks for entering my thread though. and if you should want to comment on the actual topics of why the fakers are undefeated without tobe, and only 8-7 without lamar odom, FEEL FREE.

or can't you?