why tobe fails - in his own words

[SpiritualPorn]

Re: trailblazers v. fakers

*yawn*

tobe goes 10-27 FGAs and what happened? oh nothing.

the fakers LOSE to the trailblazers, who coincidentally own the WORST record in the west.

did anyone happen to notice that steve MAGIC blake had his way with tobe? 'all defense' tobe couldn't shut down steve AIR blake , who went 7-13 FGAs and was team high assist man for the blazers tonight... BTW, steve blake had as many assists tonight as tobe (5)...

the scapegoaters are gonna have a difficult time blaming this loss on the other fakers starters, because together the fakers starters NOT named tobe shot 53% FGAs.

lamar odom 7-13 FGAs
brian cook 4-9 FGAs
chris mihm 3-6 FGAs
william parker 6-10 FGAs

yeah, i can see that those 'no-talent' bums were really having a bad shooting nights ... tobe had EVERY right to hoist up 27 shots when those clowns weren't stepping up ...

i mean, damn, even a blind man could see that 'all world' tobe shouldn't have been passing the rock to his teammates, because he shot a miraculous 37% FGAs tonight ...

when you combine tobe's 17 missed FGAs with his 4 TOs and 3 PFs, hell, that's only 20+ changes of possession for the opponent FROM A SINGLE PLAYER... that's NO reason to point fingers at tobe ...

aw hell, tobe's just gonna 'will' the fakers to victory next game, right?

Notice they don't post when Kobe fucks up?

Just like that dude that talks shit when they are winning and when they start losing they swear somebody cheated.

Post-Shaq Kobe has not done as much as a Pre Shaq Wade

 

[cranrab]

why tobe fails - in his own words sonics v. fakers

so the 24-38 sonics strolled into the fakers house yesterday, went into the kitchen, ate all the food, then took a shit on the living room carpet...

i know the fakers fan scapegoating brigade is already spinning the loss, trying to talk about 'tobe has no help', but here are the FACTS:

william parker 6-13 FGAs
lamar odom 6-9 FGAs
brian cook 4-9 FGAs
chris mihm 7-15 FGAs, 13 rebounds in only 32 minutes...
luke walton 7-7 FGAs in only 20 minutes

here's another FACT:

tobe 8-29 FGAs (27%)
21 missed FGAs, 2 PFs and GAME HIGH (that means for BOTH teams) 5 TOs... do you think those 20+ possessions tobe GAVE the sonics might be the reason the fakers lost by 7 points?

 

[TimRock]

Re: why tobe fails - in his own words sonics v. fakers

so the 24-38 sonics strolled into the fakers house yesterday, went into the kitchen, ate all the food, then took a shit on the living room carpet...

i know the fakers fan scapegoating brigade is already spinning the loss, trying to talk about 'tobe has no help', but here are the FACTS:

william parker 6-13 FGAs
lamar odom 6-9 FGAs
brian cook 4-9 FGAs
chris mihm 7-15 FGAs, 13 rebounds in only 32 minutes...
luke walton 7-7 FGAs in only 20 minutes

here's another FACT:

tobe 8-29 FGAs (27%)
21 missed FGAs, 2 PFs and GAME HIGH (that means for BOTH teams) 5 TOs... do you think those 20+ possessions tobe GAVE the sonics might be the reason the fakers lost by 7 points?

how come i dont see any stats for the spurs game that they won the other day?

 

[xfactor]

Re: why tobe fails - in his own words sonics v. fakers

how come i dont see any stats for the spurs game that they won the other day?

Same wreckless style of play from Wobe in that game. It's amazing that the lakers won considering the fact that the Spurs were well rested( having played 4 games in 5 nights) and the fact Wobe is playing with a team that clearly wouldnt get any clock playing even in the D-League

[FRAME]http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/boxscore?gid=2006031024[/FRAME]

 

[TimRock]

Re: why tobe fails - in his own words sonics v. fakers

Same wreckless style of play from Wobe in that game. It's amazing that the lakers won considering the fact that the Spurs were well rested( having played 4 games in 5 nights) and the fact Wobe is playing with a team that clearly wouldnt get any clock playing even in the D-League

[FRAME]http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/boxscore?gid=2006031024[/FRAME]

Aha, so you are using the excuse that the only reason the lakers won, was because San Antonion played 4 games in 5 nights? But isnt that part of being in the league. Isnt this why they work out and practice? Thats a good excuse.

 

[xfactor]

Re: why tobe fails - in his own words sonics v. fakers

Aha, so you are using the excuse that the only reason the lakers won, was because San Antonion played 4 games in 5 nights? But isnt that part of being in the league. Isnt this why they work out and practice? Thats a good excuse.

No, the reason they won was because Lamar Odom (the team's MVP) had a great game and they ran into San Antonio when they were tired. (Notice how TD only played 31 minutes without being in foul trouble...) No excuses on my end though, thats just how the game goes somtimes.

If Wobe didnt play, the lakers would have won by double digits . Believe that.

 

[SpiritualPorn]

Re: why tobe fails - in his own words sonics v. fakers

Aha, so you are using the excuse that the only reason the lakers won, was because San Antonion played 4 games in 5 nights? But isnt that part of being in the league. Isnt this why they work out and practice? Thats a good excuse.

I know you want to defend Kobe but this is not the game to do it with

 

[TimRock]

Re: why tobe fails - in his own words sonics v. fakers

I know you want to defend Kobe but this is not the game to do it with

Im not trying to defend him. I was just asking a question. Why would a guy with three rings and future hall of fame inductee need someone on bgol to defend him? But X-Factor, you said if kobe wasnt playing that game, they would win by double digits? How do you know? Did you call the Psychic Hotline? Did you take a trip into the future? Please tell us how you know. Now i can understand if you said "I THINK they would have won by double digits", cause thats your opinion. But how do you know this for a fact?

 

[cranrab]

Re: why tobe fails - in his own words sonics v. fakers

Aha, so you are using the excuse that the only reason the lakers won, was because San Antonion played 4 games in 5 nights? But isnt that part of being in the league. Isnt this why they work out and practice? Thats a good excuse.

NOT excuse. simple FACT and PERCENTAGES. the spurs have a LOSING record for 2nd games on back to back nights. PERIOD.

from steve kerr's yahoo column:

[the spurs are] now 4-7 on the second night of back-to-backs this season, and they lost two of them last week.

 

[cranrab]

catching up: sonics v. fakers

Originally Posted by cranrab
originally posted DECEMBER 8, 2005

the fakers can manage/tolerate < 10 of tobe's FGATOs, but if he has > 25 FGAs, the team is going to suffer and lose... PERIOD...



*yawn*

tobe went 8-29 FGAs, fakers LOST

no suprise... SCIENCE...

 

[cranrab]

Re: catching up: kings v. fakers

Originally Posted by cranrab
originally posted DECEMBER 8, 2005

the fakers can manage/tolerate < 10 of tobe's FGATOs, but if he has > 25 FGAs, the team is going to suffer and lose... PERIOD...

*yawn*

tobe goes 12-28 FGAs, fakers LOST...

SCIENCE, bitches...

 

[cranrab]

tonight: fakers v. timberwolves

Originally Posted by cranrab
originally posted DECEMBER 8, 2005

the fakers can manage/tolerate < 10 of tobe's FGATOs, but if he has > 25 FGAs, the team is going to suffer and lose... PERIOD...

*yawn*

tobe goes 12-25 FGAs and WHAT? the fakers WIN...

that's right... SCIENCE

 

[TrojansFan]

Re: tonight: fakers v. timberwolves

Originally Posted by cranrab
Originally Posted by cranrab
originally posted DECEMBER 8, 2005

the fakers can manage/tolerate < 10 of tobe's FGATOs, but if he has > 25 FGAs, the team is going to suffer and lose... PERIOD...

*yawn*

tobe goes 12-25 FGAs and WHAT? the fakers WIN...

that's right... SCIENCE

Science?

Kobe Bryant has attempted 25 or more FGs in 41 games this season.
22 wins & 19 loses (54% winning percentage on Kobe's >25 FGAs)!
Compared to Lakers overall record 34-32 (52% winning percentage)
Compared to 12-13 when Kobe has less than 25 FGAs (48% winning percentage)
*and for good measure Lakers record when Kobe doesn't play 0-2 (0% winning percentage)

Cranrab your jealousy has you so blind that you would say dumb things without even doing your research, shit he shot more than 25 times in a big win against the Spurs last week (but you failed to mention that here)

In conclusion, although your statement about the Lakers suffering and losing when Kobe shots more than 25 times is far from science (in fact completely wrong since they actually have a better winning percentage when he has 25+FGAs)!

You may not like Kobe, and that is pretty obvious, but he is one of the best players in league and the best player on the Lakers and to try and argue with that just shows stupidity mixed with jealousy!!! So give it a rest already.

 

[cranrab]

Re: tonight: fakers v. timberwolves

*sighs* you can ALWAYS count on a fakers fan to NOT be able to read...

FYI, this symbol ">" means GREATER THAN... it does not mean "equal to"...

so let's begin...

Kobe Bryant has attempted 25 or more FGs in 41 games this season.

to be clear, AGAIN, i NEVER said 25 or more... my quote from december 8 CLEARLY states > 25 FGAs... nevertheless, you'd still be wrong...

you can ALWAYS count on fakers fans to bring incorrect information to a discussion about BASKETBALL...

tobe has attempted > 25 FGAs in 42 games this season

tobe has attempted 25 or more FGAs in 43 games this season

22 wins & 19 loses (54% winning percentage on Kobe's >25 FGAs)!

WRONG. or LYING. or BOTH

in the 42 games where tobe has > 25 FGAs, the fakers resultant win loss record is 20 wins, 22 losses...

Compared to Lakers overall record 34-32 (52% winning percentage)

nice try. but the fakers 34-32 record is actually a .515 winning percentage. NO team in the NBA has a 52% winning percentage. but you get an A for effort for trying to make the fakers appear to have a higher winning percentage than is TRUTHFUL.

BTW, since you're interested in making comparisons, let's do it.

fakers current record and winning percentage: 34-32 or .515
fakers record and winning percentage in games where tobe has > 25 FGAs: 20-22 or .476

a winning percentage of .476 would put the fakers squarely below the hornets and above the jazz...

Compared to 12-13 when Kobe has less than 25 FGAs (48% winning percentage)

WOW. i always knew they required fakers fans to be liars, but to be this bold with such an outright lie is galling even by OCK standards.

son, the fakers record in games where tobe has 25 or fewer FGAs is 14-8. you could have attempted to make your lie reasonable, but DAMN!

and since you seem to dig comparisons, let's do it again.

fakers winning percentage in games where tobe has 25 or fewer FGAs: .636
fakers winning percentage in games where tobe has > 25 FGAs: .476

trojans fan, your homo adoration for tobe has you so blind that you would say dumb things without even doing your research. or worse still, make up ridiculous lies to protect your boyhood idol.

In conclusion, although my statements about the fakers suffering and losing when tobe shoots more than 25 times is SCIENCE BOURNE OUT BY FACTS, i don't expect DISHONEST, LYING fakers fans will MAN UP and face FACTS any time soon.

tobe is a euro, and that is pretty obvious, and he is one of the most overrated players in league history, and not even the best player on the fakers. to try and discuss BASKETBALL with no-knowledge fakers fans who manufacture FALSE STATISTICS just shows their inane stupidity and fanatical fanboy mentality. put down the rainbow flags and give it a rest already.

 

[SpiritualPorn]

Re: why tobe fails - in his own words sonics v. fakers

Im not trying to defend him. I was just asking a question. Why would a guy with three rings and future hall of fame inductee need someone on bgol to defend him? But X-Factor, you said if kobe wasnt playing that game, they would win by double digits? How do you know? Did you call the Psychic Hotline? Did you take a trip into the future? Please tell us how you know. Now i can understand if you said "I THINK they would have won by double digits", cause thats your opinion. But how do you know this for a fact?

Notice in the Laker wins that Lamar Odom is the key........NOT KOBE!!!!

The press is trying to turn this into KOBE's team and that he needs help. This is a false notion. Kobe it seems to me ,does not understand winning. He is a classic case of too much too soon. He was a VERY important part of the Lakers Championships, however, so was Fox,Fisher,and the best playoff 6th man of all time,Horry. Shaw hit GW shots,Glen Rice,Horace Grants defense,all played a large part.

I fail to see how so many Lakers fans and Kobe fans don't realize they are just getting caught up in the 24 hour sports reporting hype. This kid singlehandedly destroyed a dynasty so he can get all of the attention and now that he has it he complains about his teammates and elbows them on the bench. Classic BITCH behavior.

Now these same fans don't post when the Kings beat them. They don't post when the Sonics outplayed them in the final minutes. They post when Kobe scores 40 in a win that he didn't contribute in the final minutes or was on the bench when they pulled it out.

This is the same Kobe that would throw parts of games in High School so he can make the GW shot.

SMH

 

[cranrab]

Re: why tobe fails - in his own words sonics v. fakers

I fail to see how so many Lakers fans and Kobe fans don't realize they are just getting caught up in the 24 hour sports reporting hype. This kid singlehandedly destroyed a dynasty so he can get all of the attention and now that he has it he complains about his teammates and elbows them on the bench. Classic BITCH behavior.

the reason they can't see it is because they are IGNORANT. on top of that, their child-like adulation of tobe won't allow them to MAN UP and FACE FACTS.

here are more HISTORICAL FACTS that no-knowledge fakers fans and tobe supporting simps CAN'T REFUTE and NEVER ACKNOWLEDGE:

WITH THE EXCEPTION OF THE 2001-2002 SEASON, AS THE NUMBER OF TOBE'S STARTS INCREASED, THE NUMBER OF FAKERS WINS DECREASED.

1999-2000

tobe starts: 62 games
fakers wins: 67 games (.817 winning percentage)

2000-2001

tobe starts: 68 games
fakers wins: 56 games (.683 winning percentage)

2001-2002

tobe starts: 80 games
fakers wins: 58 games (.707 winning percentage)

2002-2003

tobe starts: 82 games
fakers wins: 50 games (.610 winning percentage)

AS THE NUMBER OF TOBE'S STARTS DECREASED, THE NUMBER OF FAKERS WINS INCREASED.

2003-2004 season

tobe starts: 64 games
fakers wins: 56 games (.683 winning percentage)

IN THE TWO SEASONS WHERE TOBE STARTED EVERY GAME, THE FAKERS NEVER SURPASSED A .620 WINNING PERCENTAGE. THOSE TWO SEASONS WERE THE TWO WORST REGULAR SEASONS OF THE SHAQUILLE O'NEAL FAKERS ERA.

FACTS.

[crickets chirping]

 

[cranrab]

Re: tonight: fakers v. timberwolves

You may not like Kobe, and that is pretty obvious, but he is one of the best players in league and the best player on the Lakers and to try and argue with that just shows stupidity mixed with jealousy!

to suggest that tobe is the best player on the fakers (much less the nba or even nbadl) is an act of pure stupidity mixed with foolishness and utter lunacy...

fakers win/loss record without tobe on the floor 2004-2006 5-13 (.278)
fakers win/loss record without lamar odom on the floor 2004-2006 3-17 (.176)

SO MUCH FOR THE SCAPEGOATING OF LAMAR ODOM. whose absence has a bigger impact on the fakers?

lamar odom FG% 2004-2005 .473
tobe FG% 2004-2005 .433

lamar odom FG% 2005-2006 .473 (current through 67 games)
tobe FG% 2005-2006 .441 (current through 67 games)

SO MUCH FOR THE SCAPEGOATING OF LAMAR ODOM. who has shot better for the fakers?

 

[TrojansFan]

Re: tonight: fakers v. timberwolves

to suggest that tobe is the best player on the fakers (much less the nba or even nbadl) is an act of pure stupidity mixed with foolishness and utter lunacy...

fakers win/loss record without tobe on the floor 2004-2006 5-13 (.385)
fakers win/loss record without lamar odom on the floor 2004-2006 3-17 (.176)

SO MUCH FOR THE SCAPEGOATING OF LAMAR ODOM. whose absence has a bigger impact on the fakers?

lamar odom FG% 2004-2005 .473
tobe FG% 2004-2005 .433

lamar odom FG% 2005-2006 .473 (current through 67 games)
tobe FG% 2005-2006 .441 (current through 67 games)

SO MUCH FOR THE SCAPEGOATING OF LAMAR ODOM. who has shot better for the fakers?

You know you are really getting carried away trying to suggest that their are players in the NBDL that are better than Kobe. Let's not get absolutely absurd!!! However, I cannot argue with you pointing out that the Lakers have a better winning perentage without Kobe vs without Odom! Maybe, Odom actually is more valuable to Lakers over the last 2 seasons. I can't argue with the facts of Wins & Losses (although other factors could be involved)!

Well, I finally have to agree with you on something!

 

[cranrab]

Re: why tobe fails - in his own words sonics v. fakers

The press is trying to turn this into KOBE's team and that he needs help. This is a false notion.

TRUER words have never been spoken. another classic example of an uneducated and gullible audience (fakers fans and tobe supporters) willing to swallow outrageous and incorrect explanations foisted upon them by an equally ignorant media.

ALL SEASON long we've heard the nonsense about tobe's teammates NOT being able to knock down shots... but in TRUTH, who is the fakers starter that is LEAST LIKELY to knock down shots?

PROOF:

2005-2006 season through 67 games

brian cook 52.3% FGAs
chris mihm 50.4% FGAs
kwame brown 48.5% FGAs
lamar odom 47.3% FGAs
william parker 45.3% FGAs

or tobe 44.2% FGAs

 

[xfactor]

Any watching the lakers and Cavaliers game? I left at halftime to get something to eat and it was 63-49 lakers... Now the Cavaliers got the lead?


*EDIT*

Wow... What a nice fadeaway jumper by the MDP

 

[cranrab]

Re: cavaliers v. fakers

originally posted DECEMBER 8, 2005

Originally Posted by cranrab
the fakers can manage/tolerate < 10 of tobe's FGATOs, but if he has > 25 FGAs, the team is going to suffer and lose... PERIOD...

*yawn*

tobe goes 15-33 FGAs, 4 PFs, 3 TOs... nice... 20+ changes of possession coming from 1 player...

BTW, fakers LOST again...

yes, it's called SCIENCE...

 

[cranrab]

My biggest fear is not winning another title. But fear is a great motivator. I'm determined to lead this organization back to the top. The people who once celebrated me are the same people who doubt me now. [bandwagon fakers fans?] They say that because I don't have Shaq that I can't win, that it's over. The only thing I truly worry about is that my drive and my will are sometimes too much for my teammates to handle. Do I expect too much from them? How can I elevate them to play with my same passion every night?

maybe you should wonder more how your teammates shot 57.5% FG today, while you were chucking up bricks at 45.4% FG...

or maybe you should ask yourself why you're jacking up so many bricks when your teammates are hitting higher pecentages of their shots...

dumb ass chump...

 

[TimRock]

He did play stupidly in both losses. he needs to pass more. His stock went down with me. I understand him wanting to always take the last shot, but sometimes he has to pass the ball. I hope Phil and his team mates let him know about this. If three people are defending you, then that means two people are open. The only thing that made this loss ok, was that both utah and sac lost. So they are still in the race. But if he continues to play this way, they wont have a chance to make the playoffs and it will be his fault. Im just speaking the truth, not bashing him or nothing. Just upset at his stupid play lately. You shoot 10 for 15 in the first half and then 5 for 18 in the second half. thats crazy. Laker-haters, yall got it now.

 

[SpiritualPorn]

He did play stupidly in both losses. he needs to pass more. His stock went down with me. I understand him wanting to always take the last shot, but sometimes he has to pass the ball. I hope Phil and his team mates let him know about this. If three people are defending you, then that means two people are open. The only thing that made this loss ok, was that both utah and sac lost. So they are still in the race. But if he continues to play this way, they wont have a chance to make the playoffs and it will be his fault. Im just speaking the truth, not bashing him or nothing. Just upset at his stupid play lately. You shoot 10 for 15 in the first half and then 5 for 18 in the second half. thats crazy. Laker-haters, yall got it now.

You guys won last night

Our topic man goes 18-39????????????????????/

Did damage in the fourth?????????????? Didn't catch this game.

Updates please...game flow and analysis..

Thanks

 

[Havoc]

Re: why tobe fails - in his own words sonics v. fakers

TRUER words have never been spoken. another classic example of an uneducated and gullible audience (fakers fans and tobe supporters) willing to swallow outrageous and incorrect explanations foisted upon them by an equally ignorant media.

ALL SEASON long we've heard the nonsense about tobe's teammates NOT being able to knock down shots... but in TRUTH, who is the fakers starter that is LEAST LIKELY to knock down shots?

PROOF:

2005-2006 season through 67 games

brian cook 52.3% FGAs
chris mihm 50.4% FGAs
kwame brown 48.5% FGAs
lamar odom 47.3% FGAs
william parker 45.3% FGAs

or tobe 44.2% FGAs

Those numbers look nice and all now, but let's keep this in perspective. None of those Lakers are ever going to have a play ran for the sole purpose of disabling them in an attempt to cause their team to lose.

Say what you want, but when coaches come to the Staples Center to play the Lakers, they aren't concerned with running defenses around stopping Chris Mihm and his "50.4 FG" average. They're not especially concerned with Lamar Odom's "47.3% FG" either. There's a reason why these guys probably wouldn't start on any other team in the league, save Lamar Odom. The truth of the matter is, they AREN'T able to consistently knock down shots. Besides that, Lamar Odom has just recently got his mess together. I can promise you, however, that come playoff time, we won't see the same Lakers team.

We'll see what happens with the Lakers down the long stretch home. That post wouldn't be so bad if you hadn't given me the impression that you actually believed the crap that you typed.

"who is the fakers starter that is LEAST LIKELY to knock down shots"

YOU KNOW DAMN WELL KWAME BROWN IS NUMBER ONE ON THAT LIST!

 

[cranrab]

welcome back H... did you catch gonzaga's implosion v. ucla?

Those numbers look nice and all now, but let's keep this in perspective.

i don't know whether the numbers look nice or not. those shooting percentages are FACT.

when coaches come to the Staples Center to play the Lakers, they aren't concerned with running defenses around stopping Chris Mihm and his "50.4 FG" average. They're not especially concerned with Lamar Odom's "47.3% FG" either.

yes, we must disagree here again. a GOOD coach would play the percentages and be PRIMARILY concerned with shutting down the fakers starters NOT named tobe. as bourne out by the FACTS this season, the fakers still have a losing record when tobe shoots > 25 FGAs. LET HIM SHOOT! also bourne out by the FACTS this season, the fakers have a WINNING record (over .600) when tobe shoots 25 or fewer FGAs. IT'S BETTER FOR OPPONENTS TO ENCOURAGE TOBE TO SHOOT!

Besides that, Lamar Odom has just recently got his mess together.

come on now, H. if lamar odom was only performing well 'recently', that wouldn't be able to skew his FG% over 67+ games.

the reason why tobe sports the poorest shooting percentage is because tobe takes the MOST shots OUTSIDE of the fakers set O. as i've explained NUMEROUS times, the triangle is a junior high school level O designed to CREATE HIGH PERCENTAGE SHOTS AND OPEN LOOKS for players who might not otherwise be able to do so on their own.

if you stay within the O and select your shots based on what is allowed to evolve, you WILL GET OPEN LOOKS AND HIGH PERCENTAGE shots. so these FG%:

brian cook 52.3% FGAs
chris mihm 50.4% FGAs
kwame brown 48.5% FGAs
lamar odom 47.3% FGAs
william parker 45.3% FGAs

represent what is POSSIBLE when the fakers choose to function within the structure of the O.

 

[xfactor]

Re: why tobe fails - in his own words sonics v. fakers

I can promise you, however, that come playoff time, we won't see the same Lakers team.

You're right about this one because I dont think we'll be seeing ANY teamed named the lakers come playoff time

 

[cranrab]

Re: why tobe fails - in his own words fakers v. kings

Originally Posted by cranrab
originally posted DECEMBER 8, 2005

Originally Posted by cranrab
the fakers can manage/tolerate < 10 of tobe's FGATOs, but if he has > 25 FGAs, the team is going to suffer and lose... PERIOD...

*yawn*

tobe went 11-20 FGAs, fakers win comfortably, leading throughout...

what a suprise...

for those interested, here's an update:

the fakers record when tobe has > 25 FGAs: 21-23 (.477)
the fakers record when tobe has 25 or fewer FGAs: 15-9 (.625)

 

[cranrab]

Re: why tobe fails - in his own words fakers v. hornets

Originally Posted by cranrab
originally posted DECEMBER 8, 2005

Originally Posted by cranrab
the fakers can manage/tolerate < 10 of tobe's FGATOs, but if he has > 25 FGAs, the team is going to suffer and lose... PERIOD...

*yawn*

tobe went 10-19 FGAs, fakers roll comfortably to another W... not only did the fakers win, but they won Q2, Q3, and Q4...

SCIENCE...

here are the FACTS to date.

fakers record when tobe has > 25 FGAs: 22-23 or .489 losing
fakers record when tobe has 25 or fewer FGAs: 16-9 or .640



[crickets chirping]

 

[SpiritualPorn]

Re: why tobe fails - in his own words fakers v. hornets

*yawn*

tobe went 10-19 FGAs, fakers roll comfortably to another W... not only did the fakers win, but they won Q2, Q3, and Q4...

SCIENCE...

here are the FACTS to date.

fakers record when tobe has > 25 FGAs: 22-23 or .489 losing
fakers record when tobe has 25 or fewer FGAs: 16-9 or .640



[crickets chirping]

I made the same point on insidehoops.com

To criticize Kobe is akin to talking about somebody's momma to some of the ball sweat collectors of his.

For the life of me I cannot understand how Kobe fans says he has no team when Wade at least got to the second round of the playoffs wth Lamar and Caron. Kobe's selfish immature ass was always passing the buck, but not the ball to his teammates.

10-19 and they win. Lamar Odom shows up? Don't call it a comeback,he's been here for years.

Cran, You think they'll make the playoffs?

 

[cranrab]

Re: why tobe fails - in his own words fakers v. hornets

Cran, You think they'll make the playoffs?

yes, i do. the fakers chances look great.

i pointed out in a different post that the fakers remaining schedule consists primarily of HOME games. while this is no guarantee of a victory, it certainly doesn't hurt.

in addition, their closest competition of sacramento, utah and new orleans all have been playing poorly, and the fakers head to head win over nok was a big step...

the fakers can't ask for more at this point in the season... they're in control of their own destiny if they continue to play winning basketball... sacramento, utah and new orleans are in the position of looking for help from other teams to defeat the fakers...

 

[TimRock]

Re: why tobe fails - in his own words fakers v. hornets

For the life of me I cannot understand how Kobe fans says he has no team when Wade at least got to the second round of the playoffs wth Lamar and Caron. Kobe's selfish immature ass was always passing the buck, but not the ball to his teammates.

10-19 and they win. Lamar Odom shows up? Don't call it a comeback,he's been here for years.

Cran, You think they'll make the playoffs?

The Heat played the hornest that year. Who did the hornets have? Mashburn, Baron? Two players who never played a full season after their injuries. Yes they made it to the playoffs, but this is when the eastern conference was weak. Teams under .500 had chances to make the playoffs. "For the life of me" i still can not figure out why yall hate kobe so much, but pay so much attention to his stats. Even though Cranrab, i see your point about the stats you posted and they are very true. But im just saying, i wouldnt waste my time doing that on someone i dont like. I check this thread everytime the lakers play and i see the stats and i just laugh. Theres no need for a reply. Lakers will make the playoffs, lose in the first round and get ready for next season. Thats it. I dont have any high expectations of the lakers for this season, and i hope the other lakers fans dont either. I see them winning one game if they play san antonio. But if they play dallas, it could go all the way. We will see. by the way, what teams do you guys like?

 

[SpiritualPorn]

Re: why tobe fails - in his own words fakers v. hornets

The Heat played the hornest that year. Who did the hornets have? Mashburn, Baron? Two players who never played a full season after their injuries. Yes they made it to the playoffs, but this is when the eastern conference was weak. Teams under .500 had chances to make the playoffs. "For the life of me" i still can not figure out why yall hate kobe so much, but pay so much attention to his stats. Even though Cranrab, i see your point about the stats you posted and they are very true. But im just saying, i wouldnt waste my time doing that on someone i dont like. I check this thread everytime the lakers play and i see the stats and i just laugh. Theres no need for a reply. Lakers will make the playoffs, lose in the first round and get ready for next season. Thats it. I dont have any high expectations of the lakers for this season, and i hope the other lakers fans dont either. I see them winning one game if they play san antonio. But if they play dallas, it could go all the way. We will see. by the way, what teams do you guys like?

I will agree that the Eastern Confrence was not as strong as now however Kobe has more experience than Wade. I honestly thought Kobe would do better with that team.

You are one of the few Laker fans I will have a conversation with. You seem somewhat objective.

BTW.......I don't hate Kobe. Quite the contrary I was a Kobe fan until I got to see a different side of him. That rape trial and the dime drop on Shaq along with the Karl Malone fued showed me that he is not what the press made him out to be. I more resent the press trying to rewrap this gift.

Some of my teams? Of course the Heat (I'm in Miami) , The Lakers, Phoniex,Golden State,Toronto,New Jersey.

 

[TimRock]

Re: why tobe fails - in his own words fakers v. hornets

I will agree that the Eastern Confrence was not as strong as now however Kobe has more experience than Wade. I honestly thought Kobe would do better with that team.

You are one of the few Laker fans I will have a conversation with. You seem somewhat objective.

BTW.......I don't hate Kobe. Quite the contrary I was a Kobe fan until I got to see a different side of him. That rape trial and the dime drop on Shaq along with the Karl Malone fued showed me that he is not what the press made him out to be. I more resent the press trying to rewrap this gift.

Some of my teams? Of course the Heat (I'm in Miami) , The Lakers, Phoniex,Golden State,Toronto,New Jersey.

Yeah, he lost a lot of fans with that rape trial. But i dont know, im the type of person that, if you good in ball, thats what i like you for. i dont care about your personality, or what you do off the court. Cause if that was the case, i would have brought his album and his shoes. I admit, there are times when im watching a game and i feel like yelling "Pass the damn ball kobe", like Snoop did in The Wash. But sometimes, he just does things that are amazing (81 points, 62 in 3 quarters, down by like 20 at home to dallas a few years ago, came back and took over to win the game, and shaqs last year, last game of the season they play Portland, kobe drains 2 3 point buzzer beaters to tie and win the game, and also get them the division title, lakers v pacers, game 4, back after an injury, shaq fouls out and he takes over, etc.) Thats what im watching for. I mean, truthfully if i were a friend of his, or a teammate, i would point out footage to him and let him know that there are times when he needs to pass the ball. Odom, Kwame and Luke have been playing really good lately and with great chemistry. But George and Smush have fallen off lately. But I have a feeling they will finish in the 7th seed and play Phoenix. Its gonna be hard for the lakers, but they do play better defense than the Suns. And defense is what counts in the playoffs. Nash is excellent. The whole team is very good. But after what happened to the Suns last night (Nash and Amare, no points), they are vulnerable. Put it like this, i like the lakers chances of an upset against the suns now, more than i did when Amare was out.

 

[Havoc]

Re: why tobe fails - in his own words sonics v. fakers

You're right about this one because I dont think we'll be seeing ANY teamed named the lakers come playoff time

LOL STHU!

I'm confident that we'll see the same Lakers. However, I doubt that the players will be the same. I expect some to either choke up (a common occurrence), or rise to new levels. I believe that with Kwame Brown's recent game performance, he may be trying to make the latter part of my previous sentence a reality*.



*more likely, he's tired of Phil and the media clowning him. Either way, this can't hurt the Lakers' chances of getting out of the first round.