Why Denzel Washington will NEVER be in a Tyler Perry Movie

[JD Walker]

You're not the sharpest tool in the box are you mate?

Most TP fans aren't. And his movies aren't like fast food, they are like shit. Like scooping shit from a toilet and eating it.

 

[geechiedan]

No, it's like criticizing how unhealthy the food is. In my post, I clearly described how the food is made and how it relates to the kind of movies both TP and Spike Lee make. No where did I insult the customers of those two artists nor did I presume the kind of people they were.

That makes your analogy null and void since it appears you failed to understand the basic concept of my one.


Where did I call anyone in here names for liking Tyler Perry movies?


You're not the sharpest tool in the box are you mate?

okay..so you didn't criticize the person..your still annoying the shit out them because they clearly don't care about the nutritional value of the thing..

who died and made you the authority of whats good and right?

and what makes you think someone isn't only entertained but gotten a decent lesson out of his movies?

Also spikes movies can be very heavy handed and obvious in their message as well or have you forgotten..

WAAAAAAAAAAKEEEE UUUUUUUUUPPPPP!!!

in fact there isn't that much thats subtle or deep below the surface in any spike lee movie..

 

[Sampson]

Most TP fans aren't. And his movies aren't like fast food, they are like shit. Like scooping shit from a toilet and eating it.

But one thing I realized is that people who can't debate properly will use one of these three tired rhetoric:

1). At least they're making X amount of money or employing X amount of people, how much are you making or employing?


2). If it's so easy, why don't you go and do it yourself?


3). Why don't you criticize [insert person or group here] as well?


It never fails when you're trying to talk about the issue at hand people love to deflect and act as if there's something wrong with your character simply because you dislike and therefore you're a 'hater' and aren't doing anything with your life.

Now if I and others were to go to a TP board and criticize him then their argument would be valid. But BGOL is an open forum to discuss anything therefore criticism is expected of anything.

 

[Sampson]

okay..so you didn't criticize the person..your still annoying the shit out them because they clearly don't care about the nutritional value of the thing..

who died and made you the authority of whats good and right?

You must be intentionally trolling, no one can be this stupid. This is a public forum, therefore anything is up for discussion. If you don't like mine or others' criticism of him, the scroll bar affords you the luxury to ignore what I'm saying. It's not like I'm going into McDonald's and preaching about how bad the food is, nor am I going onto a TP board to criticize him, this is a PUBLIC forum, I repeat, a PUBLIC forum. Do you understand the difference between the two?

I'm not forcing anyone to read my opinions nor am I shouting in their ear.

and what makes you think someone isn't only entertained but gotten a decent lesson out of his movies?

Where in any of my posts did I say that? So are you going to start putting words in my mouth?

Also spikes movies can be very heavy handed and obvious in their message as well or have you forgotten..

Again, this has nothing to do with what I said.

in fact there isn't that much thats subtle deep below the surface in any spike lee movie..

Purely subjective but I know people today who are still discussing the issues of a SL movie. I've never seen or heard a discussion of TP movie go deeper than a puddle.

 

[geechiedan]

Most TP fans aren't. And his movies aren't like fast food, they are like shit. Like scooping shit from a toilet and eating it.

opinions are like assholes and so are you

 

[Mello Mello]

Bump for later reading.

 

[geechiedan]

You must be intentionally trolling, no one can be this stupid. This is a public forum, therefore anything is up for discussion. If you don't like mine or others' criticism of him, the scroll bar affords you the luxury to ignore what I'm saying. It's not like I'm going into McDonald's and preaching about how bad the food is, nor am I going onto a TP board to criticize him, this is a PUBLIC forum, I repeat, a PUBLIC forum. Do you understand the difference between the two?

I'm not forcing anyone to read my opinions nor am I shouting in their ear.



Where in any of my posts did I say that? So are you going to start putting words in my mouth?




Again, this has nothing to do with what I said.




Purely subjective but people I know today are still discussing the issues of a SL movie. I've never seen or heard a discussion of TP movie go deeper than a puddle.

Tyler Perry films = Fast Food; Easily accessible, not nourishing to the body, same reprocessed ingredients not good to the body in the long term a diet on it will do more harm than good.

Spike Lee films= Restaurant Food: A lot of care is taken into the process, a wide variety, food for thought and in the long run is more rewarding.

you said his movies are no good for the body meaning theres nothing good to get from them..

you compare the value of his movies to spikes..so spikes films can equally be judged as well..

you defend any judgement of spikes films as purely subjective but your judgement of TPs films are declarative..anyone who disagrees is an idiot and while you may not come out and say it its clearly how you feel..

and youre not trolling?

 

[JD Walker]

But one thing I realized is that people who can't debate properly will use one of these three tired rhetoric:

1). At least they're making X amount of money or employing X amount of people, how much are you making or employing?

I always counter with "West Coast Productions have put more Blacks to work in the past decade than any other Black film makers..."

The TP supporters scurry away like the roaches they are...

2). If it's so easy, why don't you go and do it yourself?


3). Why don't you criticize [insert person or group here] as well?


It never fails when you're trying to talk about the issue at hand people love to deflect and act as if there's something wrong with your character simply because you dislike and therefore you're a 'hater' and aren't doing anything with your life.

Now if I and others were to go to a TP board and criticize him then their argument would be valid. But BGOL is an open forum to discuss anything therefore criticism is expected of anything.

Most Blacks have still retained their obedience training from the crakkka, especially geechifag, because he loves letting his crakkka cunt call him a ni**er in bed. Like I mentioned before, you notice how these niggas today are so dumb they are completely unable to discern differences or distinguish shades of gray.

opinions are like assholes and so are you

You let your crakkka bitch whip you and call you ni**er in bed. Who knows what else she straps on and does to you. You're a dirty black faggot, a bottom totem pole fuck nigga, plain and simple.

 

[Sampson]

Tyler Perry films = Fast Food; Easily accessible, not nourishing to the body, same reprocessed ingredients not good to the body in the long term a diet on it will do more harm than good.

Spike Lee films= Restaurant Food: A lot of care is taken into the process, a wide variety, food for thought and in the long run is more rewarding.

you said his movies are no good for the body meaning theres nothing good to get from them..

No, I said in the long-term. Some people use fast food as a quick filler since it's the easier option. But again, that's my opinion.

you compare the value of his movies to spikes..so spikes films can equally be judged as well..

Again, where did I say SL couldn't be judged? Are you really that dense? I mean seriously? That's what the topic was about, what am I going to compare TP's movies to instead?

you defend any judgement of spikes films as purely subjective but your judgement of TPs films are declarative
..anyone who disagrees is an idiot and while you may not come out and say it its clearly how you feel..

Ok, I see you're definitely trolling now. Pick up a dictionary because you're clearly showing you don't understand the meaning of the most basic lexicon. I said from my experience... once again meaning from what I've seen. I called you an idiot, no one else. I called you an idiot because you don't clearly understand the basic mechanics of debate.

So you're going to speculate on how I feel rather than what I say? Jesus Christ you're a moron, you truly are. When you can find ONE post in here where I judged all TP fans as a monolithic organism, then you might have some validity to your posts. Until then, stick to letting white bitches call you nígger.

and youre not trolling?

I made one post in here that wasn't directed at anyone. ONE. You've made far more than me and it wasn't until you decided to attempt to dissect my post with some bullshit logic that I decided to post in here again purely to defend myself.

So who's really the troll? The one that has been arguing with numerous people in this thread or the one who made ONE post at the start and only made a few more posts again to defend himself.

 

[charlie dark]

Of course not. Denzel's salary would eat up the whole budget!!

Tyler Perrry's films are about giving UNDER-used (and under-appreciated) black actors and actresses work.

Oh you're saying his motives are philanthropic.....?
I'm touched,that's just beautiful...

 

[voodoo2man]

Y'all are funny. Those same terms, coonery, shuckin and jivin, sell-out etc. were all applied to folks like Luis Armstrong, Step N Fetchit, MC Hammer, and the list goes on forever. We are our worst enemy. Look people life is a multi-facited game. We go from protesting so as not to allow white folk and others to dictate how we can exist to trying to exert control over our own people and still niggas don't vote.

All true, but all besides the point. This is a strawman argument. Besides, using Step n Fetchit and Hammer as arguing points to defend Perry doesn't really help your case! Step n Fetchit rightly remains to this day the classic example of cinematic coonery, and Hammer is a case study on how not to maintain a successful career in the music industry.

Somebody somewhere one day will call tyler a genius because he carved out his niche. I'm in the industry and the effect that tyler has had on our community is 90% positive as I see it. Folks who never thought they could are writing now which means they are also reading. Kids aspire to be actors because they've enjoyed something they've seen on the stage or screen.

Well, people have always called Perry a genius for his business acumen. That fact is not in question here. His niche keeps him paid. However when he steps outside of that niche, you get For Colored Girls. Financially, not really a flop, but it fell way short of what his films normally do. It also showed his glaring deficiencies as a filmmaker. Not that his prior work was much better, but with Colored Girls, he was playing to a wider, less forgiving audience. I'm also in the industry and have yet to see what positive effect he is having. All I see are execs scrambling for TP knockoffs and hacks trying to mimic his formula to make a quick buck. That's not good for Black cinema. Perry's not really opening any doors. If anything, all he really seems to be doing is glorifying himself. He's ten films deep and we've yet to see any young up and comer he's mentored. Not only that, he's not growing as a filmmaker at all.

Italians have mobsters, jews have chistee lawyers and accountants, we laugh, sing, kill and dance; these are just a few of what PEOPLE DO. Are any of those untrue? Hell no. It's real and tyler does is turn the camera on ourselves, we look and we laugh.

But not all Italian films are about the mob, and not all films with Jewish leads are about sheisty lawyers/accts. Right now, the only Black director making Black films consistently is a dude that thinks it's OK to promote images of Madea and Mr. Brown... a dude with no understanding of character dimension or subtlety. If he was really turning the camera on us, he would see that life is filled with shades of gray, and not childish tales of good and evil.

For fuck sake, U don't want bill cosby to tell u how it is, U don't want tyler to tell U how it is, U don't want to go out and create a real political and economic base. Niggas don't what shit but to sit around and complain about folks who are out there doing.

Strawman.

He's not just making money, he's employing people, he's paying taxes,

Strawman.

he's pushing positive messages

Really?

and most of all he's following HIS DREAM. Y'all folks give crack heads more credit than this hard working brother.

Hyperbolic Strawman

Meanwhile back at the shack we sit around encouraging thousands of women to show their tities and hot boxes all for the low low price of $10. Now honestly who's more damaging to our culture Us or Him? Stop being and being followers of hypocrites.

Inaccurate Strawman...and kinda hypocritical. How does joining BGOL (which you are a member of) encourage anyone to be a porn star?

 

[nukdollars]

Although this topic has been done to death, a simple analogy that I doubt anyone can disagree with.

Tyler Perry films = Fast Food; Easily accessible, not nourishing to the body, same reprocessed ingredients not good to the body in the long term a diet on it will do more harm than good.

Spike Lee films= Restaurant Food: A lot of care is taken into the process, a wide variety, food for thought and in the long run is more rewarding.

As I said, they both have their own audiences but at least Tyler knows his limitations. But anytime someone points out the negative aspects of Tyler's movies they're called a 'hater'.

co-sign

 

[voodoo2man]

Also spikes movies can be very heavy handed and obvious in their message as well or have you forgotten..

WAAAAAAAAAAKEEEE UUUUUUUUUPPPPP!!!

in fact there isn't that much thats subtle or deep below the surface in any spike lee movie..

OK, to be fair, School Daze, though definitely heavy-handed, was only Lee's 2nd feature.
10 flicks in and Perry's work isn't much better now than back when he did Family Reunion, technically or thematically. Hell, on a strictly technical level, Happy Family still can't fuck with School Daze, a 23 year old movie shot on a quarter of the budget.

 

[geechiedan]

No, I said in the long-term. Some people use fast food as a quick filler since it's the easier option. But again, that's my opinion.

first its ridiculous to compare films and food but hey I was going with the analogy since you brought it up. No one can be harmed by watching a film they want to see at any point.

Again, where did I say SL couldn't be judged? Are you really that dense? I mean seriously? That's what the topic was about, what am I going to compare TP's movies to instead?

how about letting them stand on their own merit? Spike lee compared to TP is like comparing Scorsese to the guy who directed the Cheech and Chong movies.. its ridiculous and so are your analogies

all that shit by you

saying that anyone who watches a TP film will get nothing good from it in the long run IS a judgement on them you blithering fucktard..its a judgement on what they choose to digest being it food or film.

 

[Rawness]

first its ridiculous to compare films and food but hey I was going with the analogy since you brought it up. No one can be harmed by watching a film they want to see at any point.

Yes one can, and that's the point of the analogy. If one continually watches movies, reads books, or listens to movies with disparaging images of oneself it can absolutely enter one's subconcious and have a negative effect on that person.

 

[geechiedan]

Yes one can, and that's the point of the analogy. If one continually watches movies, reads books, or listens to movies with disparaging images of oneself it can absolutely enter one's subconcious and have a negative effect on that person.

and exactly what in a tyler perry movie is disparaging to the image of african americans thats not seen in just about any other movie?

 

[AgentCreed]

and exactly what in a tyler perry movie is disparaging to the image of african americans thats not seen in just about any other movie?

does every african american movie have women who are all rape, assault or incest victims like in tyler perry movies? EVERY woman in his movies is super fucked up...Every one

 

[geechiedan]

does every african american movie have women who are all rape, assault or incest victims like in tyler perry movies? EVERY woman in his movies is super fucked up...Every one

if you notice..there are a lot and I mean A LOT of woman in America and the black community that are victims of abuse in some form. So his showing that isn't that much of an exaggeration.. And he also shows the woman usually gaining some kind of empowerment and resolution at the end whether its spiritually or in some other way something detractors ignore but alot of women don't.

you have to understand that TP himself was molested as child by three men according to him so he has some insight into dealing with abuse that women can relate to.

 

[AgentCreed]

if you notice..there are a lot and I mean A LOT of woman in America and the black community that are victims of abuse in some form. So his showing that isn't that much of an exaggeration.. And he also shows the woman usually gaining some kind of empowerment and resolution at the end whether its spiritually or in some other way something detractors ignore but alot of women don't.

you have to understand that TP himself was molested as child by three men according to him so he has some insight into dealing with abuse that women can relate to.

In every movie he has to provide this "insight" ? why cant he write a movie with happy women who arent fucked up somehow? y'know show some range as a creator?

 

[LuckyHungWellington]

All true, but all besides the point. This is a strawman argument. Besides, using Step n Fetchit and Hammer as arguing points to defend Perry doesn't really help your case! Step n Fetchit rightly remains to this day the classic example of cinematic coonery, and Hammer is a case study on how not to maintain a successful career in the music industry.

Ok, first lemme thank you for the discourse and let U know I appreciate the interaction, seriously. Ok i'm gonna have to look up what a strawman argument is but until then, the point of Step N Fetchit and MC Hammer was made to say they came along at a time when what they did was needed. We dogged hammer for being a sell out. Now big named artist are clammering for the same type opportunities they dogged him for. So does that mean Hammer was wrong for being so commercial. Hell no, Hammer would come to ur town and find kids who could dance and put them in his show. Been there, seen it. Fetchit at a time when we weren't allowed to have a big name in show biz allowed us to at least see images of us on tv. Eventho embarrassing now we couldn't be where we are without his and others like his contribution. It's us that educated the world about the negatives of cooning meaning we taught them it was a hurtful thing.



Well, people have always called Perry a genius for his business acumen. That fact is not in question here. His niche keeps him paid.

The makes a dollar from what he's good at. Sooooo shoot him? I think not. By the way I like that word "Acumen"


However when he steps outside of that niche, you get For Colored Girls. Financially, not really a flop, but it fell way short of what his films normally do. It also showed his glaring deficiencies as a filmmaker. Not that his prior work was much better, but with Colored Girls, he was playing to a wider, less forgiving audience. I'm also in the industry and have yet to see what positive effect he is having. All I see are execs scrambling for TP knockoffs and hacks trying to mimic his formula to make a quick buck. That's not good for Black cinema. Perry's not really opening any doors. If anything, all he really seems to be doing is glorifying himself. He's ten films deep and we've yet to see any young up and comer he's mentored. Not only that, he's not growing as a filmmaker at all.


Just 1 example. FOR COLORED GIRLS, a lot of people got it. Seems U didn't but the women in that movie all suffered atrocities from men but the subtext as they allowed these things to happen to them by their poor decision making processes. They needed to take ownership and partial blame for their situations/conditions; lot of people got that. Powerful message if U ask me.

In another play he goes on a rant about what a good man is. Even says that a GOOD MAN will put on a dress and act a fool on stage to feed his family. All I'm saying is there are umteen billion people in the world. There is no one prototype. Hell i don't know 1 thousand diff types of people but I know they exist. Why are folks trying to lock him into a certain of person by comparing him others. He is TP and does what TP does just like Spike is Spike or Bill Duke can only be Bill Duke.



But not all Italian films are about the mob, and not all films with Jewish leads are about sheisty lawyers/accts. Right now, the only Black director making Black films consistently is a dude that thinks it's OK to promote images of Madea and Mr. Brown... a dude with no understanding of character dimension or subtlety. If he was really turning the camera on us, he would see that life is filled with shades of gray, and not childish tales of good and evil.

Wow, so untrue and sounds a bit angry. He is not the ONLY one of us consistently making films. But it's been proven that we don't support politically correct films about us. Is that his fault. Hell we live in a world that will tell us to recycle and give a damn about ozone, phosphorus, pollutants and the like but Styrofoam cups and plates are still being produced by the billions; a substance that doesn't naturally break down. We sit in a theater for 2 hours and watch one person's opinion of a story. Not even possible or fair to imagine that every shade of gray in any situation could be examined. Not possible and not fair to task him with that. He does what he does. Hell my grandmother carried a gun, had 10 children and used her gun to gain control of those boys at times. yeah, Madea is a real life character.



Inaccurate Strawman...and kinda hypocritical. How does joining BGOL (which you are a member of) encourage anyone to be a porn star?

U mean to tell me u can't see how porn being a billion dollar industry gets the funds pumped into it by folks like us ... me also, who pay their lil 10 dollars a year or more to see titties.
It's all part of the machine. I'm not judging anyone all i'm saying is we can't point the finger at someone else when we ourselves are part of a destructive process. It is what it is but i don't require something of someone else that i'm not willing to provide.

 

[Rawness]

and exactly what in a tyler perry movie is disparaging to the image of african americans thats not seen in just about any other movie?

The notions of all-evil men destroying the lives of all-perfect women until said women break the chains and find their all-perfect man. Seeing that over and over and over again only serves to create a bunch of delusional people.

 

[LuckyHungWellington]

The notions of all-evil men destroying the lives of all-perfect women until said women break the chains and find their all-perfect man. Seeing that over and over and over again only serves to create a bunch of delusional people.

Please give the man his credit. In THE FAMILY THAT PREYS, the majority of the men in there were positive. But I guess that doesn't count huh. We need to stop asking this one man to tell everybody's story in the diaspora. If you want to see more ... write more and stop blaming others for what wasn't done. Tha's like not voting and criticizing someone for voting for what U consider to be the wrong person; yet U didn't vote, which in reality is a vote for the other person.

 

[Upgrade Dave]

This is gettin real outta hand..If spike is so positive..How come the only nude women in any of his films happen to all be minorities black or hispanic..(pimpin out his own women even his sister)The nudity didnt even drive the story line..except for his 1rst movie "She gotta have it" where the graphic sex scenes were part of the plot..All of his other films basically didnt need the graphic sex scenes to drive the plot...he didnt have the white chick in jungle fever all naked but the actress that played wesley snipes wife sure was(black woman).. but nobody talks about that..How many nude scenes have you seen in TP movies...zero..TP is good at making us laugh and for that he gets ridiculed...I just don't get it!!!!so if you gonna talk about him talk about all of it..the good and the bad..And by the way..All of Denzels roles were'nt so positive..Keep it real..He got an oscar for playing a corrupt cop with no morales or code..

So Spike Lee having nude Black females is a negative????
Of course there aren't nude scenes in TP movies, they're supposedly "family" movies. There's no place for them there.

 

[Rawness]

Please give the man his credit. In THE FAMILY THAT PREYS, the majority of the men in there were positive. But I guess that doesn't count huh. We need to stop asking this one man to tell everybody's story in the diaspora. If you want to see more ... write more and stop blaming others for what wasn't done. Tha's like not voting and criticizing someone for voting for what U consider to be the wrong person; yet U didn't vote, which in reality is a vote for the other person.

Lol @ "stop critiquing"

Tell your boy to make better movies. It's in the public forum its up for crticism. The "if you don't like it, then do better yourself" response is reflective of a child's thinking. An engineer builds a shitty bridge, should I build a better one? An artist paints a shitty painting, should I paint a better one? A singer makes a shitty song, now I gotta make a better one? When do I get to live?

Family that Preys is just another shitty TP movie with 1D characters...so is Daddy's Little Girls before you bring that garbage up. It ain't about not wanting to see any negative portrayals, its about his shitty filmmaking. The only thing that he touched worth a damn was Precious and that had one of the worst black male characters I've ever seen. Still was a great film, largely cuz TP had no real creative input....talent took over.

 

[TheFuser]

maybe TP will up his game

he can't UP his game. 75% of his fans can't comprehend anything above what he's already doing.

 

[LuckyHungWellington]

Lol @ "stop critiquing"

Tell your boy to make better movies. It's in the public forum its up for crticism. The "if you don't like it, then do better yourself" response is reflective of a child's thinking. An engineer builds a shitty bridge, should I build a better one? An artist paints a shitty painting, should I paint a better one? A singer makes a shitty song, now I gotta make a better one? When do I get to live?

Family that Preys is just another shitty TP movie with 1D characters...so is Daddy's Little Girls before you bring that garbage up. It ain't about not wanting to see any negative portrayals, its about his shitty filmmaking. The only thing that he touched worth a damn was Precious and that had one of the worst black male characters I've ever seen. Still was a great film, largely cuz TP had no real creative input....talent took over.

Not saying folks can't criticize, but let's not be hypocrites.

 

[voodoo2man]

Lucky, I appreciate the constructive tone of this argument. I don't want this to devolve into some immature personal attacks.

Ok, first lemme thank you for the discourse and let U know I appreciate the interaction, seriously. Ok i'm gonna have to look up what a strawman argument is but until then, the point of Step N Fetchit and MC Hammer was made to say they came along at a time when what they did was needed. We dogged hammer for being a sell out. Now big named artist are clammering for the same type opportunities they dogged him for. So does that mean Hammer was wrong for being so commercial. Hell no, Hammer would come to ur town and find kids who could dance and put them in his show. Been there, seen it. Fetchit at a time when we weren't allowed to have a big name in show biz allowed us to at least see images of us on tv. Eventho embarrassing now we couldn't be where we are without his and others like his contribution. It's us that educated the world about the negatives of cooning meaning we taught them it was a hurtful thing.

OK, I see your point about Hammer. He did get perhaps unfairly criticized by hip hop purists for "selling out". But at the same time, Hammer, after he had 'blown up', did a KFC commercial that was questionable. There's no defense for Step N Fetchit, though. His contribution to our advancement in cinema is dubious at best. All he did was make himself a millionaire by reinforcing racist imagery of Black men. Maybe that's cool to you, but to me, that's bullshit. I understand trying to get $ and all, but come on, man. We've got to have some standards.

Just 1 example. FOR COLORED GIRLS, a lot of people got it. Seems U didn't but the women in that movie all suffered atrocities from men but the subtext as they allowed these things to happen to them by their poor decision making processes. They needed to take ownership and partial blame for their situations/conditions; lot of people got that. Powerful message if U ask me.

No, it's not that I didn't get it. I did. But let's give credit where it's due. For Colored Girls is Ntozake Shange's work first. So she created that powerful imagery. Perry just tried to adapt it for the screen. I was using the response to the film to illustrate how Perry has created a gilded cage for himself. His normal Southern Baptist crowd didn't really show up because, IMO, the film was rated R and there was no Madea or simple themes being presented. Shange's fans didn't come out because they felt Perry made a mess of the work. Critics beat it up because, well, Perry's no filmmaker...or screenwriter for that matter.

In another play he goes on a rant about what a good man is. Even says that a GOOD MAN will put on a dress and act a fool on stage to feed his family. All I'm saying is there are umteen billion people in the world. There is no one prototype. Hell i don't know 1 thousand diff types of people but I know they exist. Why are folks trying to lock him into a certain of person by comparing him others. He is TP and does what TP does just like Spike is Spike or Bill Duke can only be Bill Duke.

I don't know the play so I don't know the context, but that line about wearing a dress, etc. sounds like a weak rationalization to me.
He's going to be compared to other Black filmmakers. Just like White filmmakers always get compared to each other. Perry needs to get past that. He's afraid of criticism and comparison because he knows his product doesn't hold up. So as a distraction, he comes up with all this 'crabs in a barrel' bullshit and flat out lies about no other ethnicity complaining about stereotypes in films. Just as an example, Italians have been complaining about the Mafia image since the Godfather. Perry's full of shit.

Wow, so untrue and sounds a bit angry. He is not the ONLY one of us consistently making films. But it's been proven that we don't support politically correct films about us. Is that his fault. Hell we live in a world that will tell us to recycle and give a damn about ozone, phosphorus, pollutants and the like but Styrofoam cups and plates are still being produced by the billions; a substance that doesn't naturally break down. We sit in a theater for 2 hours and watch one person's opinion of a story. Not even possible or fair to imagine that every shade of gray in any situation could be examined. Not possible and not fair to task him with that. He does what he does. Hell my grandmother carried a gun, had 10 children and used her gun to gain control of those boys at times. yeah, Madea is a real life character.

Just to be clear, I said making BLACK FILMS CONSISTENTLY. There are a lot of Black directors working today, but with predominantly white casts. I'll concede your point about the audiences though. Too many of us run out to see his films and ignore other, more challenging films by Black filmmakers. That's on us. That doesn't mean that he should be above criticism though.

U mean to tell me u can't see how porn being a billion dollar industry gets the funds pumped into it by folks like us ... me also, who pay their lil 10 dollars a year or more to see titties.
It's all part of the machine. I'm not judging anyone all i'm saying is we can't point the finger at someone else when we ourselves are part of a destructive process. It is what it is but i don't require something of someone else that i'm not willing to provide.

No, actually, I don't. Porn is a volunteer business. As far as I know, no one forces a woman to strip and have sex on camera for money. Is it destructive? Sure, for some. But what isn't?

 

[God's Son]

I hope we never see that; Hell, Denzel probably has already turned down Perry scripts....Speaking of that, last time we saw Denzel was when he sat his ass on a train the whole time....where is he?

Denzel is at that stage of his career where he can take 2-3 years off and still be relevant. Same can't be said about a brother like Chris Tucker who you won't see unless Rush Hour 4 comes out.