Why Denzel Washington will NEVER be in a Tyler Perry Movie

[phatkitty]

in your protection of the man, I think you're missing people's arguments. So in your world, if you don't like it, be quiet? Werd? So no one can have an opinion on things unless it's positive?

No that's not what I'm saying at all. Everyone is entitled to their opinion. I just don't understand the vitriol that he receives. I'm by no means a Perry 'fan' he makes some bullshit ass movies, but the level or intesity of the criticism comes off as killing an ant with a sledge hammer. To comepare what he does to a drug dealer is a bit overkill.

If you want to make an argument about having more diversity of black films that make it to the big screen and the hollywood machine I get it. I feel the same way about 'Urban Fiction'. Black History month and my local library had a display with only these urban fiction titles on display not one Morrison, Wright, Hughes, Walker novel and I was pissed, but I'm not going to say that those books shouldn't be written. People are going to like what they like and someone will be waiting to capitalize off that.

 

[TheFuser]

No that's not what I'm saying at all. Everyone is entitled to their opinion. I just don't understand the vitriol that he receives. I'm by no means a Perry 'fan' he makes some bullshit ass movies, but the level or intesity of the criticism comes off as killing an ant with a sledge hammer. To comepare what he does to a drug dealer is a bit overkill.

If you want to make an argument about having more diversity of black films that make it to the big screen and the hollywood machine I get it. I feel the same way about 'Urban Fiction'. Black History month and my local library had a display with only these urban fiction titles on display not one Morrison, Wright, Hughes, Walker novel and I was pissed, but I'm not going to say that those books shouldn't be written. People are going to like what they like and someone will be waiting to capitalize off that.

not sure who compared him to a drug dealer. To me, he's found a soft spot in black culture. Something we've known for a while. If you sprinkle Jesus in your story or song, people won't boo you no matter what. People will applaud you and hold you up. He's smart for that. Just like the non singing ass nigga who goes on Apollo is smart for singing His Eye Is On The Sparrow. My problem is, Tyler Perry acts as if he's above any criticism. He's a hustler at his core. And I actually respect that. But you can't get mad when someone calls you on that. He's serving shit sandwiches for years now. And his marketing is so brilliant that he consistently gets people to buy the shit sandwich. But in his mind he thinks it's Filet Mignon, and gets mad when someone else calls it a shit sandwich.

 

[ballscout1]

Bottom line is: too many blacks do not want to step their game up socially, economically or intellectually. And, to a degree, they control what gets made from music to movies to television. The number of black men or women who HAVEN'T seen a TP movies is very very low. The only black women I know who haven't seen his movies or been to his plays are intellectual black women, and that's about 10 or so career women. I think 90% of black women wallow in self pity, so shit like this appeals to them. And, since black women will never do more than complain about their lives and make excuses, shit like this will always be readily available to them, and lucractive to anyone willing to cater to them. Same goes for those books with shirtless dudes on horses and ghetto drama books. There will never be a shortage of worthless niggaz to eat that shit up.

You just make shit up to be involved in a conversation don't you?

First if you have never been to a Perry play then you wouldn't know that the majority of the audience is professional and educated because the tickets are not cheap. They are cheaper than Broadway shows but they are still no catered to hoodrats.

There are also hood rich but these plays are events and people are dressed formally and there spending money. The concessions are for grown folks with wine and cocktails being served.

Please don't try and pretend that the audience is niggaz as you say. The audience is usually a who's who of the city it is in.

 

[ClevelandDawg216]

"Some self proclaimed "intellects" fumble while passing judgments regarding art. They believe that only certain realities should be imitated via art. This unwillingness to realize the scope of realities reeks of ignorance." quote from a friend

People need to piss or get off the pot. You don't like what Tyler is doing, make your own shit.

Folks are funny, yeah Perry makes some corny ass movies but they act like he's been worse for the black community than the crack epedemic. Same ones going in on Tyler love dumb ass Lil Wayne and bullshit Wacka Flocka. They big up chicks who make a living by showing their ass and trying to sleeping with the next hottest rapper or baller to make a comeup. Seriously shit is comical.

Couldnt disagree more, I put Wacka,Lil Wayne & Tyler Perry all in the same category! Bullshit entertainer that can do better but refuses to because they are a slave to the dollar and not the ART!!! FUCK ALL 3 of them!

EXACTLY.

 

[Rawness]

What makes people think Tyler Perry can do better?

 

[phatkitty]

Sorry, that shit made me laugh. Then again I laugh at a lot of stupid shit, like people in neck braces FUCKING HILARIOUS!!! But I also laugh at Curb Your Enthusiam and Ricky Gervace (sp?)whatever i'm sick of this shit.

 

[Blunt]

Denzel will never be in an Ice Cube, Chris Rock or Eddie Murphy movie either.

 

[ClevelandDawg216]

Sorry, that shit made me laugh. Then again I laugh at a lot of stupid shit, like people in neck braces FUCKING HILARIOUS!!! But I also laugh at Curb Your Enthusiam and Ricky Gervace (sp?)whatever i'm sick of this shit.

 

[phatkitty]

 

[Mentor B]

I think conscience Black people would like to be entertained by more analytical movies that just so happen to contain a primarily Black cast.

For example, Inside Man was that. It was a screenplay that involved complexities and had the audience constantly trying to predict what happens next.

This is an attribute that Tyler Perry lacks in his movies. And yes, I also co-sign his movies are coonery buffoonery.

There is no doubt that there are Black writers with some off-the-wall shit that could really set it off. They just can't get the money for it. We just got to be on some independent shit first.

 

[TheFuser]

Denzel will never be in an Ice Cube, Chris Rock or Eddie Murphy movie either.

he's been in plenty of Spike Lee movies though

 

[TREY-GA]

What shocks me more are the amount of niggas who like that shit.

...what should shock all of us more is the number of threads about TP and his movies and the negative portrayal of Black folks, while we have spent the past 20 years supporting rap music, rap videos and many rap artists that have done little to nothing in the way of positivity in the Black community, other than flaunt their material gains, ignore education, ignore respect for authority, and continually promote drug and alcohol use, violence against women, promiscuous behavior and ignoring the responsibility of taking care of their children and families...but we'll rip into TP at every chance we get..

 

[voodoo2man]

...what should shock all of us more is the number of threads about TP and his movies and the negative portrayal of Black folks, while we have spent the past 20 years supporting rap music, rap videos and many rap artists that have done little to nothing in the way of positivity in the Black community, other than flaunt their material gains, ignore education, ignore respect for authority, and continually promote drug and alcohol use, violence against women, promiscuous behavior and ignoring the responsibility of taking care of their children and families...but we'll rip into TP at every chance we get..

While all of this is true, you're presenting a straw man argument. We're not talking about rappers or their 'music'. We're talking about Perry and his 'movies'.

 

[JD Walker]

...what should shock all of us more is the number of threads about TP and his movies and the negative portrayal of Black folks, while we have spent the past 20 years supporting rap music, rap videos and many rap artists that have done little to nothing in the way of positivity in the Black community, other than flaunt their material gains, ignore education, ignore respect for authority, and continually promote drug and alcohol use, violence against women, promiscuous behavior and ignoring the responsibility of taking care of their children and families...but we'll rip into TP at every chance we get..

I don't listen to today's (c)rap music, so what you wrote doesn't apply to me.

 

[ballscout1]

I think conscience Black people would like to be entertained by more analytical movies that just so happen to contain a primarily Black cast.

For example, Inside Man was that. It was a screenplay that involved complexities and had the audience constantly trying to predict what happens next.

This is an attribute that Tyler Perry lacks in his movies. And yes, I also co-sign his movies are coonery buffoonery.

There is no doubt that there are Black writers with some off-the-wall shit that could really set it off. They just can't get the money for it. We just got to be on some independent shit first.

Primarily a black cast ? Denzel and his partner were black that makes 2 not primarily.

So conscience Black people don't like comedy? All they want is things that make them think?

yeah okay.. sure you right

 

[AgentCreed]

@ the article for saying Bamboozled is a "classic"

it is

 

[AgentCreed]

Yet he continually chooses to be in Spike Lee movies. Yeah, there's no difference between TP and SL artistically...

not sure if serious

 

[Silencer]

it is

Nah. Not one of his better efforts.

 

[JD Walker]

Primarily a black cast ? Denzel and his partner were black that makes 2 not primarily.

So conscience Black people don't like comedy? All they want is things that make them think?

yeah okay.. sure you right

since you want to split hairs with blacktrace's example, There are movies with ALL BLACK CASTS like "Love, Sex, & Eating the Bones, HavPlenty and Love Jones " and a few others that prove his point.

 

[ballscout1]

since you want to split hairs with blacktrace's example, There are movies with ALL BLACK CASTS like "Love, Sex, & Eating the Bones, HavPlenty and Love Jones " and a few others that prove his point.

Proves nothing. Inside Man was not a black cast. Denzel is a crossover actor nd he shared billing with Clive Owen,Jodie Foster Christopher Plummer and Willem Dafoe. Most people didn't know that Spike was the Director. He also had the power of Universal and Imagine Entertainment pushing this project.

Hav Plenty a low budget project that had little support.

Budget
$650,000 (estimated)


Opening Weekend
$1,102,036 (USA) (21 June 1998) (413 Screens)


Love, Sex and Eating the Bones had even more pathetic support. Good thing all those conscience black people appreciate quality

Budget:$CAD2,500,000 (estimated)
Gross:$116,869 (USA) (28 March 2004)


Love Jones was a good movie but by no means was it anything brilliant. It was along the same lines as Best Man, Brown Sugar and The Brothers.

My same argument is that you cannot bitch ad moan about quality when quality is offered it isn't supported.

 

[JD Walker]

Proves nothing...

Yes it does, YOU and TP supporters have proved my point all along, MOST BLACKS AREN'T VERY BRIGHT. Now I would never say such a thing in front of the crakkka but INTERNALLY it's a dirty little secret and a hard to swallow truth. Generally, Blacks gravitate towards dumb shit. There are small groups of Blacks that demand more, but we are drastically out numbered by the idiots who support trash. You can type until your fingers drop off, but there's no way YOU, other TP supporters, and TP himself are going to convince me and the others higher up on the food chain that his movies are worth a penny. Not all Black is good. I WILL NEVER SPEND A PENNY ON TP'S FLICS. EVER. And save these "duuuhh uuuhhh Blacks buy (c)rap music and support drugs in da communities..." strawmen because many of us don't. Stop automatically assuming that if Blacks don't support TP, then they must support other bullshit.

There is a reason why Blacks in this country have so much money yet very little power.

 

[wildlover85]

Yes it does, YOU and TP supporters have proved my point all along, MOST BLACKS AREN'T VERY BRIGHT. Now I would never say such a thing in front of the crakkka but INTERNALLY it's a dirty little secret and a hard to swallow truth. Generally, Blacks gravitate towards dumb shit. There are small groups of Blacks that demand more, but we are drastically out numbered by the idiots who support trash. You can type until your fingers drop off, but there's no way YOU, other TP supporters, and TP himself are going to convince me and the others higher up on the food chain that his movies are worth a penny. Not all Black is good. I WILL NEVER SPEND A PENNY ON TP'S FLICS. EVER. And save these "duuuhh uuuhhh Blacks buy (c)rap music and support drugs in da communities..." strawmen because many of us don't. Stop automatically assuming that if Blacks don't support TP, then they must support other bullshit.

There is a reason why Blacks in this country have so much money yet very little power.

"There is a reason why Blacks in this country have so much money yet very little power."

stupidity!

 

[Temujin]

The most successful cross-dresser of all time = Tyler "Fairy" Perry

 

[ballscout1]

Yes it does, YOU and TP supporters have proved my point all along, MOST BLACKS AREN'T VERY BRIGHT. Now I would never say such a thing in front of the crakkka but INTERNALLY it's a dirty little secret and a hard to swallow truth. Generally, Blacks gravitate towards dumb shit. There are small groups of Blacks that demand more, but we are drastically out numbered by the idiots who support trash. You can type until your fingers drop off, but there's no way YOU, other TP supporters, and TP himself are going to convince me and the others higher up on the food chain that his movies are worth a penny. Not all Black is good. I WILL NEVER SPEND A PENNY ON TP'S FLICS. EVER. And save these "duuuhh uuuhhh Blacks buy (c)rap music and support drugs in da communities..." strawmen because many of us don't. Stop automatically assuming that if Blacks don't support TP, then they must support other bullshit.

There is a reason why Blacks in this country have so much money yet very little power.

I have never spent a penny on a Tyler Perry movie. My point is that certain blacks always demand something but when it is given they don't support that either.

I am not so much a supported of tyler perry as much as saying your arguments dont hold water is the grand scheme of things. You are selective on your concern for image and way off in your scale of importance to the problems we have in our community.

There is a reason the movies you mentioned did not have support. Simply stated if that writer and director had support and made money the business men that provide funding for projects would have and allowed those writers more power to create. Since they bombed their power did not increase nor did their funding opportunities.

This has plagued Spike Lee during his entire career. He finally was permitted the chance to work on a major studio release and because it was a mainstream movie it had financial success. Damn sure wasn't because his core supported him.

It is to easy to complain about what other people do while we as a people don't do our part.

So now every day we complain about the quality of Tyler Perry's work. Well it is to late because when your support could have made a difference the writers and directors didn't get it.

Now its sour grapes and bitch fighting.There are not enough blacks in Hollywood to be airing it out like Spike is doing.

We could have had power with Singleton,Hughes brothers,Spike,Hype Williams,F Gary Gray, Fuqua, Daniels.

What support did Matty Rich get ..


This shit is like all the posts saying Obama isn't progressive enough or doesn't have a black agenda. Well Sharpton whole agenda was black and he got no support.

Yall some habitual complaining asses. So thoughtful and conscience on a pron board. No more intellectual than anybody else on this porn board.

 

[LuckyHungWellington]

Y'all are funny. Those same terms, coonery, shuckin and jivin, sell-out etc. were all applied to folks like Luis Armstrong, Step N Fetchit, MC Hammer, and the list goes on forever. We are our worst enemy. Look people life is a multi-facited game. We go from protesting so as not to allow white folk and others to dictate how we can exist to trying to exert control over our own people and still niggas don't vote.

Somebody somewhere one day will call tyler a genius because he carved out his niche. I'm in the industry and the effect that tyler has had on our community is 90% positive as I see it. Folks who never thought they could are writing now which means they are also reading. Kids aspire to be actors because they've enjoyed something they've seen on the stage or screen.

Italians have mobsters, jews have chistee lawyers and accountants, we laugh, sing, kill and dance; these are just a few of what PEOPLE DO. Are any of those untrue? Hell no. It's real and tyler does is turn the camera on ourselves, we look and we laugh. For fuck sake, U don't want bill cosby to tell u how it is, U don't want tyler to tell U how it is, U don't want to go out and create a real political and economic base. Niggas don't what shit but to sit around and complain about folks who are out there doing.

He's not just making money, he's employing people, he's paying taxes, he's pushing positive messages and most of all he's following HIS DREAM. Y'all folks give crack heads more credit than this hard working brother.

Meanwhile back at the shack we sit around encouraging thousands of women to show their tities and hot boxes all for the low low price of $10. Now honestly who's more damaging to our culture Us or Him? Stop being and being followers of hypocrites.

 

[JD Walker]

I have never spent a penny on a Tyler Perry movie. My point is that certain blacks always demand something but when it is given they don't support that either.

Blacks have a right to critique anything they want for whatever reasons they want. And ALL backlash against TP is valid.

I am not so much a supported of tyler perry as much as saying your arguments dont hold water is the grand scheme of things. You are selective on your concern for image and way off in your scale of importance to the problems we have in our community.

^ Yet another strawman. Entertainment, or lack there of in TP's case is separate from community issue. Stop trying to combine them to support your argument.

There is a reason the movies you mentioned did not have support. Simply stated if that writer and director had support and made money the business men that provide funding for projects would have and allowed those writers more power to create. Since they bombed their power did not increase nor did their funding opportunities.

This has plagued Spike Lee during his entire career. He finally was permitted the chance to work on a major studio release and because it was a mainstream movie it had financial success. Damn sure wasn't because his core supported him.

It's simpler than that. These film makers didn't get support because the general Black public was not interested. PERIOD. The general Black public is more interested in mindless garbage, THIS IS FACT. Stop trying to spin this into what it's not. The Black public is ultimately to blame. And just because the dumbasses in the Black community outnumber the smarter members, doesn't mean they are beyond reproach. They shouldn't be enabled either.

 

[geechiedan]

Of course you wont see Denzel in a Tyler Perry movie, but then again you wont see De Niro in a Adam Sasdler movie, so it might be that they are low brow comedies and not necessarily evil to the black community

Denzel will never be in an Ice Cube, Chris Rock or Eddie Murphy movie either.

he's been in plenty of Spike Lee movies though

you missed the point that spike lee himself has missed..

 

[geechiedan]

I think you're purposely avoiding the point.
Yes, Denzel had a resume before he started working with Spike Lee, however, it was Lee that made Denzel a romantic lead in Mo Better Blues, and that took him to the next level. Up to that point, he played primarily supporting roles or leads in little seen films like For Queen And Country and The Mighty Quinn. Glory came out in 89 but he didn't actually win the Oscar for that film until 90, well after Mo Better had finished production. So you really can't use that accolade for this particular argument.

no one wins an award for one based on their performance in another movie that came AFTER that one their nominated for. People have won for PAST performances they were snubbed for like Al Pacino winning for Scent of a Woman to make for NOT getting the oscars for Godfather, Serpico, Dog Day Afternoon etc. And while Spike got Denzel for as his romantic lead its clear they helped each other. Denzel bringing a fanbase and Spike giving him a opportunity he didn't get up to then.

Same with Wesley. He had done a few things but Mo Better really boosted his career. No music video has ever broken an actor, even one starring Michael Jackson and directed by Martin Scorcese. Major League was really about it's white leads, and as popular as King of NY became on home video, no one really saw it in theaters. And even if they had, Wesley didn't make much of an impression in that film. King of Ny was all about Fishburne and Walken.

Bad and Major League and King of NY put Wesley on the radar otherwise Spike wouldn't have approached him with the project and we would have probably had Howard E Rollins as shadow henderson

 

[geechiedan]

Yep. Same thing I said with Turturro and the other actors I mentioned. But he'll spin this too. Anything to protect Saint Tyler.

this has nothing to do with "protecting saint tyler"...like I said earlier spike has done some good things but not everyone one that list is indebted to his casting..

 

[spider705]

Although this topic has been done to death, a simple analogy that I doubt anyone can disagree with.

Tyler Perry films = Fast Food; Easily accessible, not nourishing to the body, same reprocessed ingredients not good to the body in the long term a diet on it will do more harm than good.

Spike Lee films= Restaurant Food: A lot of care is taken into the process, a wide variety, food for thought and in the long run is more rewarding.

great analogy

 

[geechiedan]

Although this topic has been done to death, a simple analogy that I doubt anyone can disagree with.

Tyler Perry films = Fast Food; Easily accessible, not nourishing to the body, same reprocessed ingredients not good to the body in the long term a diet on it will do more harm than good.

Spike Lee films= Restaurant Food: A lot of care is taken into the process, a wide variety, food for thought and in the long run is more rewarding.

but junk food tends to be much more popular than healthy food..

As I said, they both have their own audiences but at least Tyler knows his limitations. But anytime someone points out the negative aspects of Tyler's movies they're called a 'hater'.

probably because (using your food analogy) its like a person minding their own business eating a twinkie and another comes up to them and calls them names for eating something the second person doesn't like.

 

[BrownTurd]

Yes it does, YOU and TP supporters have proved my point all along, MOST BLACKS AREN'T VERY BRIGHT. Now I would never say such a thing in front of the crakkka but INTERNALLY it's a dirty little secret and a hard to swallow truth. Generally, Blacks gravitate towards dumb shit. There are small groups of Blacks that demand more, but we are drastically out numbered by the idiots who support trash. You can type until your fingers drop off, but there's no way YOU, other TP supporters, and TP himself are going to convince me and the others higher up on the food chain that his movies are worth a penny. Not all Black is good. I WILL NEVER SPEND A PENNY ON TP'S FLICS. EVER. And save these "duuuhh uuuhhh Blacks buy (c)rap music and support drugs in da communities..." strawmen because many of us don't. Stop automatically assuming that if Blacks don't support TP, then they must support other bullshit.

There is a reason why Blacks in this country have so much money yet very little power.

Most people are "Smart" enough to understand that they are watching a fictional movie that does not represent real life. You and other seem to "dumb" to understand that. So who is the dumb one...The person that goes to see a clown movie and understands the clown is not real or the person who goes to see a clown movie and thinks the person really has a red nose and a colorful afro.

 

[BrownTurd]

Y'all are funny. Those same terms, coonery, shuckin and jivin, sell-out etc. were all applied to folks like Luis Armstrong, Step N Fetchit, MC Hammer, and the list goes on forever. We are our worst enemy. Look people life is a multi-facited game. We go from protesting so as not to allow white folk and others to dictate how we can exist to trying to exert control over our own people and still niggas don't vote.

Somebody somewhere one day will call tyler a genius because he carved out his niche. I'm in the industry and the effect that tyler has had on our community is 90% positive as I see it. Folks who never thought they could are writing now which means they are also reading. Kids aspire to be actors because they've enjoyed something they've seen on the stage or screen.

Italians have mobsters, jews have chistee lawyers and accountants, we laugh, sing, kill and dance; these are just a few of what PEOPLE DO. Are any of those untrue? Hell no. It's real and tyler does is turn the camera on ourselves, we look and we laugh. For fuck sake, U don't want bill cosby to tell u how it is, U don't want tyler to tell U how it is, U don't want to go out and create a real political and economic base. Niggas don't what shit but to sit around and complain about folks who are out there doing.

He's not just making money, he's employing people, he's paying taxes, he's pushing positive messages and most of all he's following HIS DREAM. Y'all folks give crack heads more credit than this hard working brother.

Meanwhile back at the shack we sit around encouraging thousands of women to show their tities and hot boxes all for the low low price of $10. Now honestly who's more damaging to our culture Us or Him? Stop being and being followers of hypocrites.

/thread

 

[JD Walker]

Most people are "Smart" enough to understand that they are watching a fictional movie that does not represent real life. You and other seem to "dumb" to understand that. So who is the dumb one...The person that goes to see a clown movie and understands the clown is not real or the person who goes to see a clown movie and thinks the person really has a red nose and a colorful afro.

The more you yap, the more you and the rest of the TP defenders prove my point. This isn't about fiction vs. Nonfiction. Smart individuals (which YOU and the rest of you TP supporters are not by any stretch of the imagination) understand the context of character portrayal in a movie. Context is a concept that YOU and TP supporters understand just about as much as my dog understands the concept of reading. Tyler Perry's movies and the Madea character is reminiscent of amos and Andy, step and fetch it, al jolson, etc. And REAL BLACK MEN (which you and TP supporters are not by any stretch of the imagination) are rightfully offended and disgusted by his movies. TP is a nigga in black face, and we are living out a real life "Bamboozled".

 

[Sampson]

but junk food tends to be much more popular than healthy food..



probably because (using your food analogy) its like a person minding their own business eating a twinkie and another comes up to them and calls them names for eating something the second person doesn't like.

No, it's like criticizing how unhealthy the food is. In my post, I clearly described how the food is made and how it relates to the kind of movies both TP and Spike Lee make. No where did I insult the customers of those two artists nor did I presume the kind of people they were.

That makes your analogy null and void since it appears you failed to understand the basic concept of my one.


Where did I call anyone in here names for liking Tyler Perry movies?


You're not the sharpest tool in the box are you mate?