Whoa, WTF??? Creflo Dollar Invokes Uzi Massacre Of Non-Tithing Church Members! Damn!
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More ad hominems
Show me one example of this indoctrination and then let me teach you about textual critism of scripture. You seem to think because you don't like something then it's dogma and indoctrination. I haven't even spouted one word of a doctrine and yet you are spouting supercession, constantinism and even downright word fabrication(claiming the word commandment means law). this is just all too comical because you seem to wasting energy on name calling rather than showing where you claim you know,
More ad hominems
Show me one example of this indoctrination and then let me teach you about textual critism of scripture. You seem to think because you don't like something then it's dogma and indoctrination. I haven't even spouted one word of a doctrine and yet you are spouting supercession, constantinism and even downright word fabrication(claiming the word commandment means law). this is just all too comical because you seem to wasting energy on name calling rather than showing where you claim you know,
Re: Whoa, WTF??? Creflo Dollar Invokes Uzi Massacre Of Non-Tithing Church Members! Da
Um... You're repeating the same thing I've already said about 'cheerful giving'. You're simply stuck on the fact that I refuse to call 'cheerful giving' 'tithing'. If YOU were using common sense you would see that you're simply echoing MY previously stated sentiments about the illegitimacy of tithing. But, being the dogmatic one here, you're not able to grasp the concept beyond the Old Testament rule of Law. Say what you will about the sheep who tithe to prosperity ministers, but their mentality is just like yours. You've just drawn different conclusions. But indoctrinated dogma is still indoctrinated dogma.
You cannot seem to grasp the tithing of the law. Here I will make it simple IT IS NOT MONEY ITS SIMPLY GIVING TO THE NEEDY . Now use some common sense and ask yourself this Is creflo dollar or any other preacher needy? then move to the next question do they accept anything apart from money.
See how silly it feels to you
Tell me one Pastor in christianity that needy vulnerable that accepts anything apart from money
just one
Re: Whoa, WTF??? Creflo Dollar Invokes Uzi Massacre Of Non-Tithing Church Members! Da
More ad hominems? lol This guy. The only waste of time is trying to show an indoctrinated dogmatic person that they are indeed indoctrinated and dogmatic. The very nature of their disposition does not allow them to conceive of their own condition. Again, none so blind...
Re: Whoa, WTF??? Creflo Dollar Invokes Uzi Massacre Of Non-Tithing Church Members! Da
So now your argument has come full circle because of your realization of how silly it is to claim that tithing is not applicable and not in the new testament
Let me ask you this where did you get the silly notion that tithing is not cheerful? surely by this assumption you have revealed yourself to be the one indoctrinated. Have you even bothered to read what tithing entails?
Anyone that obeys the tithing of the law would never give a penny to any christian minister for one reason THEY ARE NOT LEVITES. What you see with prosperity ministers is not TITHING it's FLEECING, am surprised for someone like that pretends to know scripture mistaking it for tithing
So now your argument has come full circle because of your realization of how silly it is to claim that tithing is not applicable and not in the new testament
Let me ask you this where did you get the silly notion that tithing is not cheerful? surely by this assumption you have revealed yourself to be the one indoctrinated. Have you even bothered to read what tithing entails? Anyone that obeys the tithing of the law would never give a penny to any christian minister for one reason THEY ARE NOT LEVITES. What you see with prosperity ministers is not TITHING it's FLEECING, am surprised for someone like that pretends to know scripture mistaking it for tithing
Re: Whoa, WTF??? Creflo Dollar Invokes Uzi Massacre Of Non-Tithing Church Members! Da
Why so ad hominem?So now your argument has come full circle because of your realization of how silly it is to claim that tithing is not applicable and not in the new testament
Anyone that obeys the tithing of the law would never give a penny to any christian minister for one reason THEY ARE NOT LEVITES. What you see with prosperity ministers is not TITHING it's FLEECING, am surprised for someone like that pretends to know scripture mistaking it for tithing
Re: Whoa, WTF??? Creflo Dollar Invokes Uzi Massacre Of Non-Tithing Church Members! Da
This is church.
He pretty much nailed it.
I have seen these pics before. House location looks mad familiar but I can't figure out quite where he stays. Anybody know? Looks like a crib on Riverside but I could be wrong.
At the end of the day, giving and tithing are used interchangeably but are not one in the same. Bottom line is, unless someone is in need or my pastor is a Levite, I ain't handin' over JACK!This perfectly highlights the stupidity among pastors. For the frst 8 minutes he was speaking sense until he regurgitated the false christian mantra of the law of the old testament is no longer in effectThis is why pastors still command power over the black community because most of the message is good but the final outcome is deceit.
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He stay somewhere in Fayetteville I think those pics are from the house pass union city pass 85
This is church.
He pretty much nailed it.
I have seen these pics before. House location looks mad familiar but I can't figure out quite where he stays. Anybody know? Looks like a crib on Riverside but I could be wrong.
At the end of the day, giving and tithing are used interchangeably but are not one in the same. Bottom line is, unless someone is in need or my pastor is a Levite, I ain't handin' over JACK!
He stay somewhere in Fayetteville I think those pics are from the house pass union city pass 85
Re: Whoa, WTF??? Creflo Dollar Invokes Uzi Massacre Of Non-Tithing Church Members! Da
This dude Creflo is coldest snake oil salesman alive. Got damn, he almost has ME convinced
This nigga is slippery Larry couldnt even get him
Nigga said he is protecting his donors
Fucked up dude but pretty damn intelligent...respect
Uh oh ...this nigga said giving hoes housing
This dude Creflo is coldest snake oil salesman alive. Got damn, he almost has ME convinced
Re: Whoa, WTF??? Creflo Dollar Invokes Uzi Massacre Of Non-Tithing Church Members! Da
Re: Whoa, WTF??? Creflo Dollar Invokes Uzi Massacre Of Non-Tithing Church Members! Da
that's real stuff
that's real stuff
Re: Whoa, WTF??? Creflo Dollar Invokes Uzi Massacre Of Non-Tithing Church Members! Da
Tell me...How is this ANY different than you trick ass niggas going to strip clubs making it rain on hoes?
1. The strip club is your church where you congregate.
2. Exotic Dancers minister to you through music and booty dance to you non-believers and make you believe that you gone get some pussy from her.
3. you give them bitches a portion of your paycheck.
STFU you hypocrites! Everyone has their belief. Christians believe in the power of Jesus....You fools believe in the power of pussy.
Tell me...How is this ANY different than you trick ass niggas going to strip clubs making it rain on hoes?
1. The strip club is your church where you congregate.
2. Exotic Dancers minister to you through music and booty dance to you non-believers and make you believe that you gone get some pussy from her.
3. you give them bitches a portion of your paycheck.
STFU you hypocrites! Everyone has their belief. Christians believe in the power of Jesus....You fools believe in the power of pussy.
Re: Whoa, WTF??? Creflo Dollar Invokes Uzi Massacre Of Non-Tithing Church Members! Da
Yeah but when you give a stripper your money you don't need faith to know that you're getting something in return.
Yeah but when you give a stripper your money you don't need faith to know that you're getting something in return.
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Re: Whoa, WTF??? Creflo Dollar Invokes Uzi Massacre Of Non-Tithing Church Members! Da
Where is the $420 Billion in Tithes and Offerings the Black Church has Received Since 1980?
LiveSteez Reports
LiveSteez research shows that Black churches, in aggregate, have collected more than $420 billion in tithes and donations since 1980. With a Senate investigation into the finances of several mega churches underway, the “Prosperity Movement” has been the target of mounting criticism from inside and outside the Black Church. Specifically, the affluent ministries of The Reverend Creflo Dollar, Bishop Eddie Long and others have drawn the attention – and ire – of some clergy and laypeople alike.
Researcher Henry E. Felder’s study of Blacks’ donation habits demonstrated per capita spending of $508 per year in 2009 dollars. Another source, Tyler Media Services, estimated that Black Church revenue approached $17 billion in 2006.
One church, the Reverend Dollar’s World Changers, reported $69 million in 2006 income, according to the Atlanta Journal Constitution.
Mainstream politicians and Black community leaders are demanding a better accounting of the “return on investment” offered by churches to the communities that fund them. Meanwhile, legions of faithful churchgoers defend their pastors and accuse their detractors of applying a double standard that ignores the largeness of wealthy, white televangelists, while underplaying the economic development and social service functions provided by the Black Church.
“The church has gotten caught up in materialism and greed, a lifestyle. Many ministers today want to live like celebrities and they want to be treated like celebrities. In other words, instead of the church standing with the community, the church has become self-serving. It has strayed away from its mission” according to Dr.Love Henry Whelchel, professor of church history at The Interdenominational Theological Center in Atlanta.
Few people – not even the ongoing Congressional investigation by Senator Chuck Grassley accuse the mega church pastors of outright larceny, and congregants generally approve of their pastors’ luxurious lifestyles. However, in a blatant recent example, a father-son pastor team, 76-year-old Richard Cunningham of Moreno Valley and his son, 52-year-old Philip Cunningham of Laurinburg, N.C., pleaded guilty to felony grand theft and fraud charges. The younger Cunningham also pleaded guilty to forgery. Over five years, prosecutors say, the Cunninghams stole from Calvary Baptist Yorba Linda Church and School bank accounts and used the money to buy time shares in Hawaii and Palm Springs, golf club memberships and a Cadillac. Prosecutors say the men have paid $3.1 million in restitution to the church.
LiveSteez’s investigative series will take a forensic editorial approach to quantifying the return to Black America for the $350 billion in tax-favored donations it has given to the Black Church, examining the arguments on both sides of the pulpit. In this series we will seek answers and advisory to the following questions:
How often and how much do church leaders take advantage of the faith of poor black people?
We will investigate and identify the churches they are showing a strong return on investment that goes beyond inspiration.
What does the black community have to show for the $350 billion in tax free dollars?
Expert analysis on what could potentially be done with such a huge amount of money and how it could improve the state of our communities.
Why do some church leaders refuse to participate in the Grassley congressional Investigation, which requested the financial records of several mega-churches?
Where is the $420 Billion in Tithes and Offerings the Black Church has Received Since 1980?
LiveSteez Reports
LiveSteez research shows that Black churches, in aggregate, have collected more than $420 billion in tithes and donations since 1980. With a Senate investigation into the finances of several mega churches underway, the “Prosperity Movement” has been the target of mounting criticism from inside and outside the Black Church. Specifically, the affluent ministries of The Reverend Creflo Dollar, Bishop Eddie Long and others have drawn the attention – and ire – of some clergy and laypeople alike.
Researcher Henry E. Felder’s study of Blacks’ donation habits demonstrated per capita spending of $508 per year in 2009 dollars. Another source, Tyler Media Services, estimated that Black Church revenue approached $17 billion in 2006.
One church, the Reverend Dollar’s World Changers, reported $69 million in 2006 income, according to the Atlanta Journal Constitution.
Mainstream politicians and Black community leaders are demanding a better accounting of the “return on investment” offered by churches to the communities that fund them. Meanwhile, legions of faithful churchgoers defend their pastors and accuse their detractors of applying a double standard that ignores the largeness of wealthy, white televangelists, while underplaying the economic development and social service functions provided by the Black Church.
“The church has gotten caught up in materialism and greed, a lifestyle. Many ministers today want to live like celebrities and they want to be treated like celebrities. In other words, instead of the church standing with the community, the church has become self-serving. It has strayed away from its mission” according to Dr.Love Henry Whelchel, professor of church history at The Interdenominational Theological Center in Atlanta.
Few people – not even the ongoing Congressional investigation by Senator Chuck Grassley accuse the mega church pastors of outright larceny, and congregants generally approve of their pastors’ luxurious lifestyles. However, in a blatant recent example, a father-son pastor team, 76-year-old Richard Cunningham of Moreno Valley and his son, 52-year-old Philip Cunningham of Laurinburg, N.C., pleaded guilty to felony grand theft and fraud charges. The younger Cunningham also pleaded guilty to forgery. Over five years, prosecutors say, the Cunninghams stole from Calvary Baptist Yorba Linda Church and School bank accounts and used the money to buy time shares in Hawaii and Palm Springs, golf club memberships and a Cadillac. Prosecutors say the men have paid $3.1 million in restitution to the church.
LiveSteez’s investigative series will take a forensic editorial approach to quantifying the return to Black America for the $350 billion in tax-favored donations it has given to the Black Church, examining the arguments on both sides of the pulpit. In this series we will seek answers and advisory to the following questions:
How often and how much do church leaders take advantage of the faith of poor black people?
We will investigate and identify the churches they are showing a strong return on investment that goes beyond inspiration.
What does the black community have to show for the $350 billion in tax free dollars?
Expert analysis on what could potentially be done with such a huge amount of money and how it could improve the state of our communities.
Why do some church leaders refuse to participate in the Grassley congressional Investigation, which requested the financial records of several mega-churches?
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