who would win right now in a war, china or the U.S ?

[WorldEX]

Heres my opinion on the situation. The U.S. would undoubtedly win. China would have to play defense. The US would already have the invasion forces ready. We've got this invasion shit down to a science. China may have that new missile and a few other tricks up there sleeve. But all and all they're not bout it. Their massive population don't mean shit. If anything its a handicap. You have to remember only 70 years ago the tiny island of Japan was man handling them and raping them of all their natural resources. Those billions don't mean shit. Also you'd have to think about who would align themselves with America for their own personal gain. N. Korea, Japan, India... And I'm sure the Brits wouldn't mind getting Hong Kong back. After we get Allies the next thing we'd do is Blockade any and all imports. Being as though they have that missile we'll park our surface fleets at the minimum safe distance and send in fast attack subs to enforce the blockade. On land we'd surround their borders with our Army and have the Air Force back them up. So then the Chinese would have to rely on its own resources to feed its MASSIVE ARMY and POPULATION. And remember the US practices "total war", we haven't done it in a while but believe we'll pull out that playbook quick if we need to. And as far as those missiles we'd fly EA-6Bs and E-2s all night, Jamming most air and ground defenses. Sneak a few of our own professional saboteurs in their on a HALO night op, I'd say two to three Seal platoons would be enough to takeout the 21D munitions plants and once those are gone it'll be a free for all. But judging by previous actions of Asians during the past century as far as military strategies they'll dig in and fight for a while. We'll bomb them around the clock with the world's two biggest air forces. The US Air Force and the US Navy. Start amphibious assaults along the coast with the Navy and Marines. Start pushing forward from the northwest with Army mountain divisions. From the southwest come in with the tanks. They'd have too much ground to protect with not enough modern roads throughout the country to be effective at moving troops to unpopulated locations. Which gives us free range to start setting up bases on inland China and once that happens it'll be endgame. From that point on all they have is the threat of a nuclear strike which they won't use until they've lost at least 25-30% of their army and land. Which at that point we'll ignore until we take about another 10 % of their land and then offer them a Surrender package which states they'll forgive all US debt while taking on more US debt for that current war and us taking a sizable chunk of their land for permanent US military bases and vacation spots. The End.

Look at the map of China, USA have no chance. Even right now china is locked, who in hell can sneak in to cause major damage??
There is no way USA can not win a war with China.

 

[Nzinga]

first disable the carrier by hitting the propellers. It is not a sitting duck, in time you launch a major attack to sink it.

How do you hit a carrier? How do you get close to it?

A carrier has 4 nuclear powered engines, each one probably with its own screw. You take one, the thing stick has others and it keeps ticking without missing a lick.

While you and I debating this, the US has very bright people writing papers and discussing these issues. You will not get close to a carrier, more importantly, by the time you try to hit back, you wont even have an airforce. But if you should take off from a hitherto unknown site, the US will see you on numerous radar screens like a flare in the middle of a moonless knight and take you out 500 miles from the nearest carrier...

The capital value of a carrier and its payload may be $25 billion; if you think the US is not paranoid about protecting a carrier, you are naive.

 

[WorldEX]

are you serious.? conventional war?.........with the chinese.?.....listen homie there's 100 chinese PLA(peoples liberation army) per one US soldier .a 100 to one......you say that there is no way for the chinese to mobilize 200 million man army.....but guess what .the US isnt going to march into Beijing...i can pretty much assure you that.and its not gonna happen anytime soon.........if i can recall there was thing(an event) called the korean war back between 1950-53 and if im not mistaken the chinese drove the US and for that fact the whole UN back pass the 38th parralell and almost into the ocean.so many US soldiers had died......and i believe that at that time Eisenhower had threating to use the atomic bomb on china because China had inflicted so many casualties on the US....... but boy if he had of....i dont think Mao at that time would have any problems convincing then Soviet leader Josef Stalin into invading the Nato and converging them into the Warsaw Pact.real talk

I think most of these comments about USA winning are video game players.

 

[WorldEX]

How do you hit a carrier? How do you get close to it?

A carrier has 4 nuclear powered engines, each one probably with its own screw. You take one, the thing stick has others and it keeps ticking without missing a lick.

While you and I debating this, the US has very bright people writing papers and discussing these issues. You will not get close to a carrier, more importantly, by the time you try to hit back, you wont even have an airforce. But if you should take off from a hitherto unknown site, the US will see you on numerous radar screens like a flare in the middle of a moonless knight and take you out 500 miles from the nearest carrier...

The capital value of a carrier and its payload may be between $50 and $100 billion; if you think the US is not paranoid about protecting a carrier, you are naive.

Shhhh....the Chinese got close...read thread.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-492804/The-uninvited-guest-Chinese-sub-pops-middle-U-S-Navy-exercise-leaving-military-chiefs-red-faced.html

 

[Nzinga]

Shhhh....the Chinese got close...read thread.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-492804/The-uninvited-guest-Chinese-sub-pops-middle-U-S-Navy-exercise-leaving-military-chiefs-red-faced.html

So a sub got close. What if it had fired 4 torpedos at once. The carrier deploy counter measures and destroy 2. If the remaining torpedos hit the USS John Stennis which has 4 propeler shaft from its 2 nuclear engines and 4 steam turbines, nothing would happen, The thing would keep right one. 10 torpedos are not sinking a carrier. Even second world warship like the Musashi and Yamato took 19 torpedos and 20 of bombs before they went under after battles with hundreds of US warplanes that lasted 10 hours...with 200 US airplanes...

 

[WorldEX]

We are talking about a conventional war. The US would cream China in 5 weeks.

The US would start the war destroying command and control facilities with with bombers the Chinese could not even see. By the time the war begun, the Chinese would be without airports or an airforce, ports or a navy. All their ships would be at the bottom of the ocean.

The Chinese might try to launch mass attacks, but the US would wipe them out the helpless Chinese with cluster bombs from B-52 before they could even leave their bases...


Everything the Chinese did, and everywhere they went, the Americans would see them. The war would be a one sided slaugher, 30 million Chinese dead against 400 000 American casualties. The Chinese would be demoralised, broke and depleted. They would surrender enmasse...

The US military is stronger than the 10 biggest armies put together. The US may be broke but the military is not suffering for anything.

Where are the targets?? USA can not even find WMD in Iraq, You would not want to support your war intel to broke and deplete China army.

China is a close society with immense security protection. You have natural disaster and yet USA do not know really true number of people killed. How in hell they going to find military targets to naturalize?

 

[big pimp]

 

[WorldEX]

So a sub got close. What if it had fired 4 torpedos at once. The carrier deploy counter measures and destroy 2. If the remaining torpedos hit the USS John Stennis which has 4 propeler shaft from its 2 nuclear engines and 4 steam turbines, nothing would happen, The thing would keep right one. 10 torpedos are not sinking a carrier. Even second world warship like the Musashi and Yamato took 12 torpedos and hundreds of bombs before they went under after battles that last 10 hours...with 200 US airplanes...

Using your "WHAT IF" 50 subs got close?

 

[KingAddies]

Using your "WHAT IF" 50 subs got close?

The strike group would take some of them out. 50 subs converging on one location is going to look like a school of fish on radar? US navy has groups that do nothing but hunt and track subs - they are out there before the attack groups move although they lose a couple. Chinese subs have popped up in Norfolk where the supercarriers are built and Russian planes have been chased out of VA airspace - they get the signal that they are being watched and the chase is on - no missles, just seeing how close they can get and if we can catch them.

 

[Liquidheater]

You can't win any war by simply firing missiles from afar. You have to put boots on the ground.

How would the US put boots on the ground of mainland China?

The article states that China has a highly mobile weapon that can accurately hit and sink a carrier at the distance of 900 miles.

Any carrier based fighter plane would need a operating fuel range of at least 2500 miles. How many fighter planes will be effective at traveling such a distance. Bombers are virtually useless without fighter planes as escorts. China didn't just develop this weapon for the fun of it. They are knowingly extending the killzone around China. They could have a thousand of these launchers.

But my main question is this how will the US get troops and tanks and helicopters to the shores of China without experiencing heavy casualties and equipment loses.

The soldiers cant be teleported there. We can't just drop tanks out of the sky.

Even if our forces can get boots on the ground, then how will we deal with our next big problem? China has a land mass equal to the US. How can US forces control such a large geographic area? We can't. How can the US forces deal with the entrenched troops? By taking significant loses. How can the US forces deal with civilian clashes? A chinese insurgency would be peopled by a patriotic population that's more than 40 times larger than Iraq.

China has a Navy and an Air Force that would be a resisting force to any planes or ships that weren't destroyed farther away from land. China has smartbombs too.

Russia is an ally of China. Those 2 countries have been swapping military information for decades. China was the number 1 relocation stop for all those ex-soviet scientist.

This would be a no win war.

China would be Vietnam times 50.

 

[UptempoDro]

The strike group would take some of them out. 50 subs converging on one location is going to look like a school of fish on radar? US navy has groups that do nothing but hunt and track subs - they are out there before the attack groups move although they lose a couple. Chinese subs have popped up in Norfolk where the supercarriers are built and Russian planes have been chased out of VA airspace - they get the signal that they are being watched and the chase is on - no missles, just seeing how close they can get and if we can catch them.

 

[malaki]

As a former military officer, all I'll say is we have a lot of sh1t we ain't supposed to have. Also, I'll bet you we have one of China's prototypes examining it right now.

Keep in mind, we've been fighting recent wars with our hands tied to win hearts and minds.

that's because your fancy weapons are useless in modern day warfare. you guys are a 2nd generation military machine in a 5GW world. even the US military commanders don't give a shit about most of the military. when they want to get something done they send special forces. the Pentagon is glorified welfare program.

 

[THREAD_CRITIC]

Large numbers don't mean shit when you have a technological advantage..hell just look at Nazi Germany pretty much took on the WORLD alone and could've won, their tanks and aircaft pretty much shitted on the rest of the world's shit...Their down fall was leadership. The US would win far more advanced then China. China knows this which is why they continue to let Taiwan give them the middle finger everyday.

 

[Cock Head Jones]

dog i think the next war between superpowers is gonna be the last. military and nuclear technology is too advanced at this point

so we all lose. no winners cept for the few thousand people in the world w/ plans and underground bunkers n shit prepared for nuclear fallout. shit will suck tho so they lose too...

 

[4North1Side2]

I think most of these comments about USA winning are video game players.

 

[Non-StopJFK2TAB]

lil ole japan took china without breaking a sweat.

 

[cbm_redux]

In anything less than a full on nuclear exchange, we'd starve them out. China can barely feed itself.

 

[4North1Side2]

Large numbers don't mean shit when you have a technological advantage..hell just look at Nazi Germany pretty much took on the WORLD alone and could've won, their tanks and aircaft pretty much shitted on the rest of the world's shit...Their down fall was leadership. The US would win far more advanced then China. China knows this which is why they continue to let Taiwan give them the middle finger everyday.

Partly right...Russia's sheer numbers crushed Germany's.

 

[jae_one]

No one

Brilliant, with nuclear weapons no one wins, with death over bullshit no one wins.