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who is the greatest black quarterback in the nfl so far? THREAD FROM 2011... WHATS YOUR ANSWER NOW??
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Championships should never count when looking at individual best in these debates. Championships are TEAM efforts and accomplishments. But I guess since the media always puts such a ridiculous emphasis into pounding peoples heads that it's an individual thing I guess everybody else follows.
Williams did something big by winning a Super Bowl and proving black QBs can play the position and win Championships, but that does not make a player "the best". It definitely doesn't make guys like Dilfer any better than what he really was. Moon's career was far better than Williams as long as you can look at it from the perspective of INDIVIDUAL accomplishments, stats & performance and not TEAM accomplishments.
Williams did something big by winning a Super Bowl and proving black QBs can play the position and win Championships, but that does not make a player "the best". It definitely doesn't make guys like Dilfer any better than what he really was. Moon's career was far better than Williams as long as you can look at it from the perspective of INDIVIDUAL accomplishments, stats & performance and not TEAM accomplishments.
Doug Williams will always be one of my heroes no matter what list folks put him on. But if we're going to rank them behind Moon, how are we going to leave out the second black QB to win NFL (co) MVP?
Steve McNair
RIP#9
An Alcorn State (I-AA) legend who nearly won the damn Heisman! People don't understand how significant of an achievement that was. I absolutely HATED how Jeff Fisher neutered this man's game for so long with the Titans. Any other coach or team and Mac might have thrown for 40000 yards and won a ring. Still managed to take a team to the Super Bowl and led them to another AFC title game in 2002. Fisher hasn't won a playoff game since Mac left. And if I'm not mistaken, he has more playoff wins than any other black QB in history (5). Four time Pro Bowler.
Mac was the toughest QB in the NFL. Even Favre stated this. That man was beat up like a '74 Bonneville every week and played. He was quiet and that's why he never got the national love he deserved. And yes I recognize that people are going to judge him based on the terrible way he died, but they shouldn't. Loved what Williams, Cunningham, McNabb and others accomplished, but #9 gets the second spot.
And shout out to owner Bud Adams who wasn't afraid to have a black QB lead his team on multiple occasions (Moon, McNair, and even Vince Young).
Steve McNair
RIP#9
An Alcorn State (I-AA) legend who nearly won the damn Heisman! People don't understand how significant of an achievement that was. I absolutely HATED how Jeff Fisher neutered this man's game for so long with the Titans. Any other coach or team and Mac might have thrown for 40000 yards and won a ring. Still managed to take a team to the Super Bowl and led them to another AFC title game in 2002. Fisher hasn't won a playoff game since Mac left. And if I'm not mistaken, he has more playoff wins than any other black QB in history (5). Four time Pro Bowler.
Mac was the toughest QB in the NFL. Even Favre stated this. That man was beat up like a '74 Bonneville every week and played. He was quiet and that's why he never got the national love he deserved. And yes I recognize that people are going to judge him based on the terrible way he died, but they shouldn't. Loved what Williams, Cunningham, McNabb and others accomplished, but #9 gets the second spot.
And shout out to owner Bud Adams who wasn't afraid to have a black QB lead his team on multiple occasions (Moon, McNair, and even Vince Young).
Give Warren Moon the Eagles defense McNabb had in Philly & he has 2 Superbowl rings easy !!!
Easily Moon !
Easily Moon !
hell no its not over...DOUG WILLIAMS SHOULD BE NUMBER 2 ON THE LIST!!!!
No Jefferson Street Joe ?
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Everybody else falls in after these 3. And for those that say McNabb > McNair...Steve was all heart...willed his team to win on several occasions. to me, that makes him greater. McNabb showed on several occasions his heart pump kool aid. Randal was great, but i'd still take McNair over him...might even take Vick over Randal to be honest. He was great though. Sadly, I still believe Vince young could have been great if he had played for a coach that wanted him and knew how to develop him instead of Jeff Fisher's bum ass.
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Everybody else falls in after these 3. And for those that say McNabb > McNair...Steve was all heart...willed his team to win on several occasions. to me, that makes him greater. McNabb showed on several occasions his heart pump kool aid. Randal was great, but i'd still take McNair over him...might even take Vick over Randal to be honest. He was great though. Sadly, I still believe Vince young could have been great if he had played for a coach that wanted him and knew how to develop him instead of Jeff Fisher's bum ass.
Russell Wilson
Think about it, other than Doug Williams from the Redskins, Russell Wilson is the only starting Black QB to win a Superbowl.
(Excerpts from Terry Blout's ESPN article http://espn.go.com/blog/seattle-seahawks/post/_/id/5343/the-no-1-player-for-the-seahawks )
Wilson has won 28 of the 37 NFL games he has started, including 16 of 19 victories last season. His 24 regular-season wins are the most of any NFL quarterback through his first two seasons.
He guided the Seahawks to 14 consecutive home wins, the third most for any quarterback since the AFL-NFL merger in 1970. Wilson's .750 regular-season winning percentage is the second best among active quarterbacks to Tom Brady’s .775.
Wilson’s 52 regular-season touchdown passes are tied for second all time (with Peyton Manning) for TD throws in a player’s first two seasons. Only Dan Marino had more with 68.
Wilson has led the Seahawks to 10 fourth-quarter/OT comebacks. Wilson has played four games with three or more TDs and no interceptions, second only to Marino’s six for their first two years as a pro.
Wilson is one of only four quarterbacks since 1970 to post a passer rating over 100 in his first two seasons at 101.2.
Think about it, other than Doug Williams from the Redskins, Russell Wilson is the only starting Black QB to win a Superbowl.
(Excerpts from Terry Blout's ESPN article http://espn.go.com/blog/seattle-seahawks/post/_/id/5343/the-no-1-player-for-the-seahawks )
Wilson has won 28 of the 37 NFL games he has started, including 16 of 19 victories last season. His 24 regular-season wins are the most of any NFL quarterback through his first two seasons.
He guided the Seahawks to 14 consecutive home wins, the third most for any quarterback since the AFL-NFL merger in 1970. Wilson's .750 regular-season winning percentage is the second best among active quarterbacks to Tom Brady’s .775.
Wilson’s 52 regular-season touchdown passes are tied for second all time (with Peyton Manning) for TD throws in a player’s first two seasons. Only Dan Marino had more with 68.
Wilson has led the Seahawks to 10 fourth-quarter/OT comebacks. Wilson has played four games with three or more TDs and no interceptions, second only to Marino’s six for their first two years as a pro.
Wilson is one of only four quarterbacks since 1970 to post a passer rating over 100 in his first two seasons at 101.2.
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And I knew this thread was updated with Russell Wilson.
Anyway, "memorable" and "great" are not mutually inclusive.
I believe you gave the most thought to compiling a comprehensive list.
Well, actually it was a bit shorter.
Anyway, "memorable" and "great" are not mutually inclusive.
They haven't given a sh!t, don't give a sh!t, and never will give a sh!t about black people and I mean it.
I believe you gave the most thought to compiling a comprehensive list.
One of the greatest period.
Russell Wilson
Think about it, other than Doug Williams from the Redskins, Russell Wilson is the only starting Black QB to win a Superbowl.
(Excerpts from Terry Blout's ESPN article http://espn.go.com/blog/seattle-seahawks/post/_/id/5343/the-no-1-player-for-the-seahawks )
Wilson has won 28 of the 37 NFL games he has started, including 16 of 19 victories last season. His 24 regular-season wins are the most of any NFL quarterback through his first two seasons.
He guided the Seahawks to 14 consecutive home wins, the third most for any quarterback since the AFL-NFL merger in 1970. Wilson's .750 regular-season winning percentage is the second best among active quarterbacks to Tom Brady’s .775.
Wilson’s 52 regular-season touchdown passes are tied for second all time (with Peyton Manning) for TD throws in a player’s first two seasons. Only Dan Marino had more with 68.
Wilson is one of only four quarterbacks since 1970 to post a passer rating over 100 in his first two seasons at 101.2.
uh oh...thats two superbowl winning black QBs...who drops down on the list now???
I hate to do it, but the argument must be made that Russell Wilson is better than Doug Williams. Granted, Russell Wilson's career is far from settled; however, lets compare their first two years by looking at some simple stats. The first important stat is that Russell Wilson won a Superbowl his second year in the league, whereas it took Doug Williams seven years in the league before he won a Superbowl. But Football is a team sport, I get it, so I'll give more facts to support my argument that Russell Wilson is a better QB than Doug Williams was.
Doug Williams threw more interceptions (24 int's) in his second year, alone, than Russell Wilson has thrown in his first two years combined (19 int's). Advantage, Russell Wilson.
Doug William's completion percentage for his first two years are 37.6% and 41.8%. In the 9 years he was in the league the highest completion rate he ever boasted was 56.6%. Russell Wilson's completion percentage for his first two years were 64.1% and 63.1%. After only two seasons, Wilson's completion percentages are better than Doug Williams ever had in the NFL. Advantage, Russell Wilson.
In his first two seasons in the league, Doug Williams passed for 1170 yards, and 2448 yards. In Russell Wilson's first two seasons, he passed for 3118 yards, then 3357 yards. Again, Russell Wilson passed for those yards while throwing fewer interceptions than Doug Williams. Advantage, Russell Wilson.
In his first two season in the league, Doug Williams led Tampa Bay to 1 fourth quarter comeback (4qc), then, in his second year, he lead Tampa Bay to 3 4qc's. To compare, Russell Wilson led the Seahawks to 4 4qc's each season he's been in the league. Advantage, Russell Wilson.
No need to bring up Touchdown passes in their first two years: At 26 t.d. passes each season, Russell Wilson threw more t.d.'s (52) his first two seasons than Doug Williams threw (45) in his first three seasons in the league. Advantage, Russell Wilson.
I will say this for Doug Williams, he was sacked far fewer times than Russell Wilson. However, as an avid Seahawk fan I attribute much of this to the patchwork offense line Seattle has used. Nonetheless, when it comes to the number of times sacked, and yards lost due to sacks, Doug Williams has the clear advantage. Advantage, Doug Williams.
So, to conclude, although Russell Wilson's career has just begun, when comparing their first two seasons, Wilson is far superior to Williams in almost every measurable stat. So much so that Doug Williams doesn't deserve mention in the same sentence as Russell Wilson.
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That's how I know I'm right. You can't say shit/make an argument against the indisputable facts I put up. Your bafflement sustains me.
That's how I know I'm right. You can't say shit/make an argument against the indisputable facts I put up. Your bafflement sustains me.
slow down and read the highlighted portion homie. then sustain some grammatical skills.
slow down and read the highlighted portion homie. then sustain some grammatical skills.
First of all, homie, writing is a process. I always get out what I want to say first, then edit. You quoted me before I edited myself. Moreover, if this were something important I'd edit myself several more times. Regardless, if you can't argue against the substance of what I wrote why reply at all--except to say I'm right?
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Russell ain't there yet though... He's got some time...
So far, he's on the fast track... He just gotta put in a little more work.
Salute to Russell...
So far, he's on the fast track... He just gotta put in a little more work.
Salute to Russell...
I thought it was obvious...i replied to laugh at that sentence.
you so caught up in tryin to argue i guess that went over your head. carry on fam...it aint that serious. 
Russell ain't there yet though... He's got some time...
So far, he's on the fast track... He just gotta put in a little more work.
Salute to Russell...
You just can't say that "Russell ain't there yet." By what benchmark isn't he "there?" The numbers from his first two seasons are better than just about every other quarterback, white or Black, in the league.
Sure, QB's like Tom Brady, Dan Marino, and Peyton Manning also posted stellar stats the first two seasons they started. So one could make valid arguments, depending on who you ask, that they're better than Russell Wilson. I'm not denying that.
Still, for the first two seasons that all of them started in the NFL, Russell Wilson is in the same conversation as the aforementioned greats. Moreover, Russell Wilson posted better stats, in some categories, than the others. Especially when it comes to Superbowl wins. What other Black quarterback can say that?
Russell Wilson is the greatest Black QB in the NFL so far, by far. The only way you can say that he's not is if you modify this thread's original question to ask something like what Black quarterback who played for at least x number of years has the best body of work. Aside from doing that, the obvious answer is Russell Wilson.
No half breeds!!!!
I think it's more than fair to say that Russell Wilson is on pace to be the greatest black QB ever, but with only 2 seasons under his belt...it's impossible to say it yet. Vince Young's first 2 seasons were great...look what happened. And no, I'm not comparing Vince to Russell, just saying anything could happen from here...we'll have to wait and see. But Russell is off to a damn good start.
Doug Williams... really? It took 3 pages for someone to correct the false assertion that he was the only black quarterback to win the Superbowl when Russell Wilson just won.
Warren Moon is the GOAT and a top 10 QB of all time. And to think how many records he would have broken if he didn't start his career in the NFL, due to prejudice, in his late 20's.
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Moon. Easily top 10 (hell, top 5) QB, excluding nobody. Check the numbers.
Don't get me wrong, I like Doug. But he can't even sniff the #1 spot due to Moon.
Don't get me wrong, I like Doug. But he can't even sniff the #1 spot due to Moon.
Man, no disrespect, but fuck all ya'll. If N.Y. niggas can say that Biggie was the greatest after two albums then Russell Wilson is the greatest after two seasons.
Unfortunately not with avant and cotchery as his primary receivers.
Russ Wilson is on his way (the black Drew Bree's - may end up being better) - very underrated.
Griffin is awesome as well. Last year he was injured and his stats would have been better than Luck's had he played those last 4 games.
All three may be hof bound if healthy and if gettleman starts to give a fuck about his qb having weapons.
Regardless of how good his two years were... It's still ONLY 2 years.
Let's see what he is in 10 years... 15 years... and if his resume stands up... then let's call him that...
But as of right now... He's NOT the black G.O.A.T...
Regardless of how good his two years were... It's still ONLY 2 years.
Let's see what he is in 10 years... 15 years... and if his resume stands up... then let's call him that...
But as of right now... He's NOT the black G.O.A.T...
As it stands right now, Russell Wilson's resume is better than any other quarterbacks, white or Black. You can only judge him by what he's done; and as it stands right now, Russell Wilson has done more in his first two years than any other quarterback has done. Period.
Think about it: God forbid, but what if the unimaginable happened and Russell Wilson died in a plane crash? What would his legacy be? Based on his two year stats, he'd go down as the Black G.O.A.T. quarterback until someone outperformed him in their first two years.
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