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#5 Posted by fluffysister on October 4, 2007 at 9:57 p.m. (Suggest removal)
It appears that she was probably on something. Hence the strength she showed against the officer. He did what he had to do. Thank goodness it is on video so she can't charge him with violence. Just goes to show....shut your mouth and do what the officer says. What was in the bag she was holding?
#6 Posted by fluffysister on October 4, 2007 at 10:10 p.m. (Suggest removal)
This arrest was in July 2007. Why is it being published now?
#7 Posted by New2vero on October 4, 2007 at 11:01 p.m. (Suggest removal)
This cop over did himself, he had control of the girl and needed to call a female officer. He struck a child as he was way to forceful, she was out past curfew and now will make a family with problems a millionare family with problems. The Chief needs to get some classes to train his troops for situations like this, I am sire he wont like my comments, but if you look close he had control and could have talked to her in a kinder voice as you get more with sugar in the voice than spice and he could have waited for back up. When are thses cops going to learn to remain calm and quit costing taxpayers money. Just my 2 cents...
I agree with Fluffy too why release it now. I hope this officer gets some anger management courses and next time calls for a back up before punching a child, drugs or no drugs no excuse for the excessive force and cost of tax payer dollars as I am sure now that this is on line we will have a high power attorney in route
#8 Posted by kbbram04 on October 4, 2007 at 11:22 p.m. (Suggest removal)
Regardless of what it cost the tax payers, I want to know if this girls family is going to pay for the medical bills that this officer had to endor. When an officer is attacked in this manner they have to take several test over a period of time to make sure that they have not contracted some type of virus or illness. Would this be an issue of the parents if that child had H.I.V, Aids, Hepatitis or any other disease that could have been given to this officer due her actions. I dont believe so, I think they would be sitting back with there mouths shut wondering how long thier child would be spending in jail for a felony assault on a police officer. And further more if they are as concerned for there child as they are pretending to be she wouldnt havent have been out at 1:30 in the morning. A 15yo child should have been at home in bed not roaming the streets at all hours of the night with questionable merchandise.
#9 Posted by TownWatchman on October 4, 2007 at 11:27 p.m. (Suggest removal)
I have so many questions, I don't know where to start. Can you even be arrested for a curfew violation? I don't think so, so why was this Gilroy trying to arrest her in the first place. Secondly, his statements don't make sense. In the video, he is wearing thick gloves. How was she supposed to "extract a large piece of flesh" through the thick glove? How did she leave saliva on his wrist, through the glove? It doesn't add up. Thirdly, he is a large man, she is a tiny CHILD. Perhaps, as New2vero stated, he could have handled this in a more compassionate way, since she wasn't doing anything arrestable. A punch to the temple could kill someone, that is NEVER justifiable, NEVER acceptable when dealing with a child, especially an unarmed child. Then he maces her in the face??? This is SICK.
#10 Posted by chiehoochie on October 4, 2007 at 11:39 p.m. (Suggest removal)
I backed the video up a few times and watched it closely. If you look the officer did not get angry. He repeated his lawful command. Also, he was attempting to calm the girl by explaining she could get hurt. She couldn’t hear him because she was screaming like an animal. Gee I wonder where a parent was. Curfew or not, fifteen years old out that late walking around with garbage bags full of clothes with price tags on them. I say thank you Officer Gilroy for doing a great job and thank you to our Chief Baldwin for standing by what it right.
#11 Posted by mlr2127 on October 4, 2007 at 11:58 p.m. (Suggest removal)
New2Vero you must have watched a different video than i did. The officer was very composed and professional. He repeatedly told the girl to put her hands behind her back. Never did he raise his voice or act in excessive force. Once she bit him its called assault and he has every right to subdue her. Oh yeah he used pepper spray. He's also has a taser and a gun and never once did he mention using those. She resisited and she got what she deserved. I guess you missed the point where he activated his in car camera to capture it all. If he was going to use excessive force i don't think he would have done that. If you think he wasn't calm i'd hate to see him mad.
She was in the wrong he was more than nice to her. Nice job Officer and keep up the good work.
#12 Posted by New2vero on October 5, 2007 at 12:34 a.m. (Suggest removal)
I watched the same video and listened to his commands and all I can say with my former service as an MP in the Army, there was no reason to attack and punch her and mace her, it should never have gotten to that level. He should have held her until another officer arrived. I wonder if any female officers were on duty. This is another cover up by the PD overreacting and knowing that a lawsuit is coming. Plus it took so long to come out. Why not release it the next day like most major cities do? What are they hiding? If your sister or someone you knew was in that would you be sayin gnice job. I know cops are stressed and such and the tone of his voice was commanding and trust me without the parental einvolvement and tough love taught in schools these kids are out of control, but it takes a professional and who is the adult here? Why not call for backup? He did what he did that can't be changed but the Chief needs to look in the mirror and figure out what went wrong and come out with a leadership statement that he is going to ensure that this will not happen again. The officer did what he did, I can't fault him, but the Chief needs to be a leader and come out with answers to shy it took so long to come clean and ensure the people that this is not normal and that they are looking at ways to fix these types of balck eyes and you and I both know a lawsuit will be coming and I for one am tired of seeing my tax dollars and payoffs take place. Just look in Phoenix at the airport that lady is dead and this girl could have suffered or been killed, Look at her and how scrawney she is. I do know people on drugs are sometimes much stronger and if she ran she would not out run the motorola so come on fess up and please tell us that our Chief is a professional and is going to step up to the plate and be honest and tell me that was reasonable force? She did bite and that was wrong but why was she pushed over the edge to do that. With proper training it would not have happend. Folks I am a con=servative too so just my 2 cents pointing out a few facts I saw on the video and in the Chief's statement. Sure don't want to see this on MSNBC and CNN as then REV JJ and REV AL will be here marching.
#13 Posted by kroyhoy on October 5, 2007 at 12:37 a.m. (Suggest removal)
Ok first of all, yes, why show the video now? Secondly, he said 1:30 in the morning? Is he sure? The video says 7:20. And since it is dark out, I assume that means at night. His statement says she was kicking him before he turned on the cam and stood in front of the car. I doubt an officer would purposely turn on the cam and then senselessly beat and pepperspray a 15 yr old. Both had been wrong, but as an officer I think you have to put asside compassion and follow the rules and procedures no matter how hard it may seem given the sitch. He should have called in female back-up when she alledgedly started kicking him. She should never have bit(kicked)and resisted arrest. It could have been handled differently. Where is the other person? The 911 call said a "couple", meaning two. Well, this is exactly why I want to be CSI. I want to know all the details that lead to the truth.
#14 Posted by emo on October 5, 2007 at 12:39 a.m. (Suggest removal)
Wow...you know what...that video scared me. She was a 15 year old girl and he punched her in the face and then pepper sprayed her directly in the eyes. I hope that fire that son of a witch and I hope her family sues the police department.
She was out late after curfew...she was not a criminal. This was a CHILD.
#15 Posted by Patrick_Bateman on October 5, 2007 at 2:52 a.m. (Suggest removal)
He should have double-tapped her.
#16 Posted by ekpate on October 5, 2007 at 3:39 a.m. (Suggest removal)
The officer did his job they way he was suppose to. I have had several people tell me "you would feel differently if it was your child." Bottom line, it was not my child but if by some fluke of fate it was my child that behaved this way, the cop did nothing compared to what I would have done to her when I got her home.
#17 Posted by paulv on October 5, 2007 at 6:04 a.m. (Suggest removal)
Should have tazered her, would have been funnier.
She got what she deserved, obey the law jerky.
#18 Posted by jstanthr50 on October 5, 2007 at 6:13 a.m. (Suggest removal)
Posted by ekpate
The officer did his job they way he was suppose to. I have had several people tell me "you would feel differently if it was your child." Bottom line, it was not my child but if by some fluke of fate it was my child that behaved this way, the cop did nothing compared to what I would have done to her when I got her home.
Agreed! Of course those who are calling for gentler treatment of someone who is knowingly flaunting the law and visibly resisting arrest would then accuse you of being an abusive parent!
BTW A female officer would have been much rougher on her and had her in the car faster!
Never,ever p/o a female police officer!
#19 Posted by sally22 on October 5, 2007 at 6:24 a.m. (Suggest removal)
The ignorance of this community AMAZES me. I feel physically ill that so many of you feel it was OK to punch this little girl square in the face. I have been bitten, once you get your hand out of the mouth, there is no reason to use anymore force. He exaggerated his "injury."
And why was he arresting her on a curfew violation?? Maybe he could have asked her where she lived, or given her a ride to some where safe to call her parent, like the police department! So, we have police handcuffing children because they are outside too late?????? UNACCEPTABLE!
#20 Posted by annmarielester on October 5, 2007 at 6:26 a.m. (Suggest removal)
Plain and simple - if a cop tells you to put your hands behind your back you do it!!
#21 Posted by davis9808 on October 5, 2007 at 6:35 a.m. (Suggest removal)
I've looked at the video...it seems the officer is trying to justify himself with the camera....he is looking directly at the camera. I think he took this way too far....not justifiable at all.
#22 Posted by rjlebleu on October 5, 2007 at 6:41 a.m. (Suggest removal)
Great job Officer! Curfews are meant to keep everyone safe but they will not work unless the Police Depts. start arresting the parents. If you don't control your kids...you go to jail, also. Let's amend the curfew laws to include parents!
#23 Posted by davis9808 on October 5, 2007 at 6:45 a.m. (Suggest removal)
fjlebleu what was she doing to be arrested or treated this way in the first place....it was a curfew violation. Seems she just wanted to get home and telling the officer she wasn't doing anything and that she was sorry.
#24 Posted by esp9261 on October 5, 2007 at 7:16 a.m. (Suggest removal)
She's 15 a minor - Where are her parents? Home? Working? We can teach them right from wrong but they choose their fate - Did she sneak out of the house.... who knows???? The kids in todays world think they can do whatever whenever. She had no business to go out in the night walking the streets. To some of you Yes this seems a little harsh to others No. But until you've dealt with an unruley teen dont go there. Out That late and walking the streets Go Figure............Wonder how she got the clothes? Anyone have any ideas? Put 2 and 2 together people.
#25 Posted by funinsunfl35f on October 5, 2007 at 7:16 a.m. (Suggest removal)
Rabid little drama queen. She bit him. He punched her and the problem is what?
The parents should be sued for raising a rabid little freak. Who taught her to resist arrest? Maybe she should go to Iraq or Afghanistan. Then we will see how tough she is.
#26 Posted by wecoytote on October 5, 2007 at 7:41 a.m. (Suggest removal)
First and foremost, this poor example of a Police officer who is suppose to be a Professional..
Second, this is a child…who by the way is BLACK…Are there no white or Hispanic out at that time of the night????
Possibly this is just another case of racial profiling by the local Police…
I smell a lawsuit coming…a well deserved lawsuit…
Finally…The Goons of Second Street already have the fix in!!!! Diamond Liddy/Walsh is nothing more then a “Public Pretender”
Hmmmmmmmmmmmm….Liddy is “ONE OF THE GOONS”….
Just look at who signs her check…. The State of Florida… need I say more….
Looks like one for Willy Gary… “Mark My Words”
#27 Posted by bert on October 5, 2007 at 7:42 a.m. (Suggest removal)
Great job officer. You showed restraint, gave commands, and performed well.
#28 Posted by TruthPatrol on October 5, 2007 at 7:53 a.m. (Suggest removal)
Here we go again...so, only black policemen and women can arrest black offenders? It is very frustrating sometimes to hear the race card pulled in situations like this. Racial profiling? I agree with previous posts, a BLACK FEMALE officer would have likely used more force and had her in the patrol car quicker. BTW - I am an African American myself. Stop blaming race, this was a juvenile delinquent who should not have been violating the law.
#29 Posted by weezerclot on October 5, 2007 at 8:13 a.m. (Suggest removal)
Great Job Officer....keep up the good work.
#30 Posted by emo on October 5, 2007 at 8:18 a.m. (Suggest removal)
So it's not ok for a parent to punch their child who is misbehaving...they get arrested for child abuse.
But it's ok for an officer of the law to punch a CHILD in the face?
#31 Posted by TGT on October 5, 2007 at 8:21 a.m. (Suggest removal)
Good job officer!! She didn't get smacked or sprayed until she bit him..who knows WHAT disease she could've given him if she broke the skin? What's with two bags of "new" clothing? The curfew has been in effect, and yes there probably have been whites or hispanics that have been stopped too for being out past curfew...but evidently they didn't put up a fight like this girl did...and you're right about the female officer would've not put up with as much as this officer did.
#32 Posted by GregM on October 5, 2007 at 8:34 a.m. (Suggest removal)
First of all GOOD WORK OFFICER! Secondly, the parents are questioning his actions. How about questioning why their underage daughter is out at that time of night? The parents should be charged with child neglect!
#33 Posted by hoopsdad on October 5, 2007 at 8:38 a.m. (Suggest removal)
There is no reason for this kid to be out that late anyways. I wish the cops used more force. It might clean things up. You get up, do your job or go to school, and then you go home. Life is not complicated. Clean the streets with whatever force is needed. When is comes to fools like the one in the video, start crackin' skulls.
#34 Posted by DomesticEngineer on October 5, 2007 at 8:49 a.m. (Suggest removal)
Very sad to see a young person behave in this manner.
Don't want law enforcement involvement, follow the rules. Plain and simple.
Today's Hip Hop society supports the creation of wanna be thugs who have no regard for laws/rules/curfews, etc.
Her behavior was unacceptable. She needs to apologize to the officer, and to the community.
We would not have had this situation (i.e. video tape) if she had personal responsibility for her actions.
But, then that is taught by the "parents".
I'd like to see her juvenile record which, in my opinion, needs to be made public.
Juveniles, who commit crimes at age 13 and older, should lose thier anonymity.
Just my opinion.
#35 Posted by rddc05 on October 5, 2007 at 9:01 a.m. (Suggest removal)
There was a real simple way to avoid getting punched and pepper sprayed: put your hands behind your back. It's that simple. I have yet to hear any of the officer's critics give any reason that this person should be resisting the officer. She probably would not have even needed to be cuffed if she had been cooperative from the start.
#36 Posted by CriticalCondition on October 5, 2007 at 9:06 a.m. (Suggest removal)
#7 Posted by New2vero ... seems to me if the officer WOULD have used "excessive force"... the encounter would have been substantially shorter.
I am no fan of the police when it comes to abuse of authority... I will sue them is a second for unlawful or unconstitutional behavior... the fact is.. he told her MANY times what to do.. she did NOT comply.
As far as an arrest on the curfew violation... probably would not have been arrested period had she not started kicking screaming and biting... the arrest was not for the curfew violation.. it was for the assault.
I for one would still like to know why the camera timestamp says 7:20 though.... that does not add up at all and may very well be a HUGE problem.
#37 Posted by emo on October 5, 2007 at 9:19 a.m. (Suggest removal)
...again....why is it ok for a police officer to slam a child's head into the hood of a car, punch a child in the face and spray a CHILD in the face with pepper spray but it is illegal for their own parents to spank them????????????
Can someone answer that for me?
#38 Posted by Soconcerned on October 5, 2007 at 9:21 a.m. (Suggest removal)
I guess all those flip flop spankings in the middle of Winn Dixie never did her any good.
It is obvious that she has no regard for the law.
All she had to do was "Obey" his commands and I'll bet he would have taken her home.
But no... Now we get the blown up attack of the White Devil....
#39 Posted by wifeofdep on October 5, 2007 at 9:33 a.m. (Suggest removal)
To all who think the officer is wrong you need to reevaluate your thinking. I know as a wife of a deputy I wouldn't want my husband catching some form of a diease from someone who simply couldn't follow simple direction!! She's lucky thats all she got. I hope she gets time in juvey for what she did!! He handled it well and he has more patience than I would have. Way to go officer thank you for protecting our city!
#40 Posted by JohnGalt on October 5, 2007 at 9:33 a.m. (Suggest removal)
Apparently many posters here are unaware of the city's Youth Protection Ordinance - go to the
www.fppd.org website for details. FYI, the ordinance also holds parents/guardians responsible for their children's whereabouts during curfew hours.
The officer showed professionalism, concern and admirable restraint during the incident. If she had bit me, I would have punched her lights out.
As for someone bringing up the race card, it isn't even worth a response.
Good job, Officer Gilroy!
#41 Posted by veroite on October 5, 2007 at 9:55 a.m. (Suggest removal)
First of all, great job officer.
I didn't read the article first, so when I saw him punch the girl, I was in shock. Then I read the article and I was surprised at how calm he was while continuing to subdue her after she bit him.
Turning on the camera was the best thing this officer could have done.
I've seen comments on here using the catch word "child" to try to get compasion for this girl's actions. I'm sorry, but this "child" acted like a violet "adult" when she bit the officer. She deserved much worse for her actions. The camera is proof of exactly what happened.
I have also seen comments about "why did it take so long to be released?" Well, because it wasn't newsworthy until the family of this girl decided to accuse the officer of abuse. That is the story. The arrest was not newsworthy, her family's accusations are.
Hey mom & dad, guess what? You're part of the problem. Had you raised your child properly, in a stable home, she probably would not have bit him. Also, if you were real parents, you'd be grounding this child instead of defending her.
Try being parents!
#42 Posted by melanie on October 5, 2007 at 9:56 a.m. (Suggest removal)
If everyone keeps taking up for these kids that were wrong in the first place then deal with what you get in the end----laws are for everyone-when you break the law then you have to deal with the outcome-lucky they didn't shoot her......ever thought about that....when you have no authority for the law-then you get what you get.........
#43 Posted by Melis on October 5, 2007 at 10:09 a.m. (Suggest removal)
She broke the law. Maybe her parents should pay more attention to where she is and what time is out. I hope she faces charges for assulting the office and resisting arrest.
How hard is it to put your hands behind you back?
Parents, take your children to respect the law and respect offices of the law.
#44 Posted by gatorsalad on October 5, 2007 at 10:20 a.m. (Suggest removal)
The pepper spray was appropiate. But not the punch. If I was to punch someone in the mouth for biting me, I would get arrested. When someone bites you, it doesnt contitute for a self defense action. Officers should not be above the law. Im acually shocked that there was an Fort Pierce officer out at this time of night, usually they are huddled around a laptop in circle K parking lot.
#45 Posted by gatorsalad on October 5, 2007 at 10:24 a.m. (Suggest removal)
On another note: When is it cool for Police officers to act like billy bad azzes? Ever walk by a Fort Pierce PD? I can understand a demeanor towards a criminal, but not everyday citizens. I walked by one in a store, and smiled and nodded, all I get in return is a frown and a chest poked out. LOSERS! Big tough guys, have to punch 15 yr old girls. haha. what a waste of human life.
#46 Posted by inferno020 on October 5, 2007 at 10:25 a.m. (Suggest removal)
You know....i hate to say it but this girl had it coming to her. The officer shows no agression tward her until she bites him. The officer is extreamly nice given her total disregard and disrespect for him. In his position I dare any of you to say that you would not have done the same thing. " Oh please stop biting my wrist, please let go of me. Come on please quit biting me". Give me a break. Shes lucky thats all she got was a punch to the head.
#47 Posted by mamabearo2 on October 5, 2007 at 10:29 a.m. (Suggest removal)
Wow!! Its amazing how everyone watches the video, yet see's something different.
This is what I saw. A young girl screaming, at a po while he was trying to handcuff her. At no time did he raise his voice to her. In fact, he talked very calmly to her. I do not see "excessive force". I see her squirming, crying, & screaming to break free from the po.
If she did not struggle, she would not have been hurt. It was her decision to bite the man. He reacted anyway one of us would. Ever hear of refex's? Looks that way to me. The pepper spray was too excessive in my opinion.
Now, why was she out late at night, with a bag full of clothes with tags? Yes, it was reported a "couple". Who knows what happened before he turned this on? Its very apparent there was trouble before he turned on his camera. As for looking into it, I guess it was so everyone knew who he was. You don't see him hiding his face do you? No.
Also, if the parents are so "concerned" about their daughter, why did they NOT call this officer? I will tell you why. They don't care! She is probably a handful, and figure let her sink. Can you blame them? Not me!
If that was my kid, yes. I would be very upset. I also would not fault the po. Shoot, my kid would have no teeth left if that happened!
Plus, there are alot more unanswered questions. I will wait to see what comes out. For all who call her a "child", I would wait to see what else this "child", did. I highly doubt she is all that innocent. Just my opinion people!
#48 Posted by trequiela.t.carter on October 5, 2007 at 10:29 a.m. (Suggest removal)
It appears to me, this cop was more interested in looking into the camera than taken control of the situation. He's suppose to be a trained professional and I'm pretty sure he's bigger, stronger and taller than the female. In this video, it looks as if the female is the stronger one. The cop shouldn't have punched or sprayed the young lady. He never took control of the situation, which is a failer on his part. There also should have been a femal officer present. All we see is what happened in front of the camera, which he knew was there. What happened on the side of the car? This video should not have been released, it makes the young lady look ridiculous and the cop look weak, because he couldn't cuff this young lady. Yes, she broke the law by being out past curfew and should be punished for biting the cop and her parents should pay his medical fees. This is how I see it, he knew the camera was filming everything and thought it would be a perfect time to "defend himself".
#49 Posted by theturtleden on October 5, 2007 at 10:31 a.m. (Suggest removal)
When an officer asks you to put your hands behind your back, that is what you must do. If you haven't done anything wrong then you Usually have nothing to worry about. This is why they are so prone to using the pepper spray and tasers. How do they know this day and age, who isn't carrying a weapon and may seriously injure or kill them. The parents should really try to get some help for this young lady so that maybe she can make something with her life, that's way to late for anyone to be hanging out in the streets and something even worse could have happened, what if a pervert had grabbed her and threw her in the car, she would only be hoping to see this officer come to her aid.
#50 Posted by WRB on October 5, 2007 at 10:34 a.m. (Suggest removal)
"Gilroy was responding to a 911 call about a suspicious couple walking the area of 24th Street and Boston Avenue with full garbage bags, when he met up with Riley at about 1:50 a.m."
They should arrest the parents for the kid being out that late. How you gonna change this type stuff if the Momma and Daddy don't have to pay for there neglect. Somebody call CYF!
William
#51 Posted by tontosrednecks on October 5, 2007 at 10:36 a.m. (Suggest removal)
Good job officer, that will teach her that when a LEO tells you to "put your hands behind your back" you do just that, I dislike very much to see a any teenage get arrested like this, but you know what, enough is enough, she got what she was asking for, and this video was just released because the parents are trying to make money out of it now. Shame on them. I showed this video to my son and his friends just to see what the hell reaction I get from them, guess what? She got what she was asking for. and by the way before you play the rece card with me, 2 of my son's friends are black kids.
#52 Posted by majesticman on October 5, 2007 at 10:47 a.m. (Suggest removal)
As a bi-racial person, I sometimes look with skepticism at the actions of some of the officers that are supposed to protect and serve. I agree, there are many cases when officers go overboard and subject their prisoner to unprovoked and unwarranted force, then when the person reacts, the officer applies more force and adds charges for resisting.
At the same time, I believe that there are many respectable officers out there and this officer is one of those. Activating his camera was the best thing he could have done to document both the behavior of this young lady and his reaction to it. Great job, Officer! You showed tremendous restraint while dealing with this out of control young person.
I have seen many people on here use the term CHILD to make their point against the use of force, but this young lady was obviously out of control and desperately needed restraint.
Fact is, if she had simply complied with the officers repeated commands, she probably would have only been given a ride home and released to her parent(s) or guardian.
We have to think of the officer's safety for a moment - he is doing his job by responding to a call, pulls up to a scene "in the blind" as to what the subject is up to or has on them (knife, gun, burglary tools etc).
This girl has a bag full of stuff and until the officer finds out what she is up to or what is in the bag he can lawfully detain her for investigation.
Too many people are under the impression that just because the handcuffs go on that they are automatically under arrest, but it is simply for the protection of everyone.
#53 Posted by majesticman on October 5, 2007 at 11:02 a.m. (Suggest removal)
I wrote my previous post from a personal perspective. I have a friend who just started as a Police Officer in Palm Bay. To describe him briefly - In the 2 years that we have known him and his family, he has always kept his hair VERY short and has these piercing blue eyes that capture your attention at first glance. He is also a very serious person and rarely smiles.
He was describing to me just this past weekend, how he has responded to many scenes and as soon as he has pulled up and exited his car, he is called a racist or a skinhead. He said that he is so hurt by how
people don't even know him, yet judge him by his looks.
What people don't know is that he has a lovely Jamaican wife and 2 bi-racial children at home and almost every weekend they open their home to all of their friends who want to enjoy a nice Barbeque.
BTW, most of their friends, and ours, are mixed couples.
Let this be a lesson to all who choose to judge people by their looks.
#54 Posted by Demented on October 5, 2007 at 11:19 a.m. (Suggest removal)
I looked at that video four times, three of them after reading various comments, and here's my two cents.
The comments regarding the officer being more interested in looking at the camera: If you notice at the start of the recording, he's got something in his hand and he IS more interested in the camera than the girl. That 'something' in his hand is the camera remote that is typically on his belt, and he was watching the camera to make sure it was recording. If you look at the video right, you'll see the blinking red light showing that it's turned on.
The Punch. That wasn't so much of a punch as it was the violent shaking of a wrist to get someone's mouth off his hand. If you were bitten by a dog, you'd shake your hand the same way. Notice that his hand wasn't even clenched.
"The strength she showed" as per fluffysister. She wasn't overpowering her. But he had the restraint not to directly force her into the position he wanted. While watching this video I was quite amazed her parents didn't find that her arm had "spiral" breaks. Imagine taking a cucumber and twisting it. It breaks in a spiral fashion. This is the most common break when resisting police.
I commend this officer for his restraint. He will be run up a flagpole, and already is, for his actions, but it showed massive forethought for him to turn on the camera at the first sign of an out of control subject. Chances are, if she would have succumbed to the handcuffs, she'd have been home in time to go to school. He attempted to restrain her without using too much force, in an honorable attempt to NOT cause her pain and injury.
This girl needs some discipline, lest she become a strain on society. I hope she realizes it.
#55 Posted by emo on October 5, 2007 at 11:27 a.m. (Suggest removal)
7:21:58 watch the video at that time.
Did anyone NOT catch that? I had to go back and watch that horrific video again to point this out. PRIOR to her biting him he violently slammed her head into the hood of the car...hell not only would I have bit him...I would have kicked him, spit on him, punched him...you name it. I don't care if he is an officer of the law or not. This is flat out child abuse. As he looked into the camera it almost looked like that sick [removed] was enjoying his power trip.
For those of you saying she deserved what she got because she disobeyed him...the next time I tell my child to go to bed and he says no does that give me the right to slam his head into a wall, punch him in the face and pepper spray him???
#56 Posted by helen91360 on October 5, 2007 at 11:28 a.m. (Suggest removal)
This is really simple. We must obey the command of an officer. When he/she tells you to put your hands behind your back, do so. I watched this girl fight, twist, squirm, and scream. I saw this on the 11pm news. The mom was standing beside her daughter, criticizing the police officer. I know it must be hard to see your child treated in that manner.If only she were as worried about where her daughter was at 1:30am. She's just 15, and no one seems to care about her. Bags full of clothes with tags on them?
Hmmmm.
Mom, what do you think she is into? Gangs? Drugs? Sex? Prostitution?
Emo, dear, you castigated the parents who aren't walking their kids to bus stops in PSL, but support those who allow thier kids to run the streets at all hours?
I'm afraid I'm not following the logic.
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#57 Posted by Repubtallygirl on October 5, 2007 at 11:30 a.m. (Suggest removal)
This video shows what is wrong with the youth of today. I was brought up to respect adults and especially police officers. If a cop tells me to do something, do it. It reminds me of the Martin Lee Anderson case. He didn't do what the officers told him to do and unfortunate accident happened and he died. Kids today don't respect authority.
This girl should get used to wearing handcuffs. My prediction is that she probably will be spending a lot of time behind bars.
As far as the officer looking into the camera, I see it was CYA.
#58 Posted by TraditionMan on October 5, 2007 at 11:40 a.m. (Suggest removal)
EXCELLENT JOB OFFICER! Common sense definition of "How To Avoid Being Pepper Sprayed": When given a lawful command by a law enforcement officer peforming thier duty, STFU and do as youre told! Act like an animal, be treated like one...
#59 Posted by bhamy on October 5, 2007 at 11:55 a.m. (Suggest removal)
My opinion:
- The officer used restraint and patience
- He recorded it to prevent charges of abuse
- The police don't have the resources to call for backup for subduing a 15 year old girl
- It certainly would be embarrassing for the officer to "need backup" for a 15 yr old girl
- The police don't have the resources to call for a female officer every time a female needs to be arrested (females being 50% of the population and all)
- After being bitten, he still needed to cuff her. Who would want to put the arm back in front of her to grab her arm after being bitten the first time? Hence, the pepper spray
- In my experience, a mild brush with the law (yes, this is mild as far as the charges will go) may actually save this girl from an experience in the future that is even worse
- Respect for the law - Priceless
#60 Posted by TraditionMan on October 5, 2007 at 12:11 p.m. (Suggest removal)
Ooppss... *their
#61 Posted by CriticalCondition on October 5, 2007 at 12:18 p.m. (Suggest removal)
"For those of you saying she deserved what she got because she disobeyed him...the next time I tell my child to go to bed and he says no does that give me the right to slam his head into a wall, punch him in the face and pepper spray him???"
OK Melinda... how old is your "child"? 15? roaming the streets at 2 am?
If he was 15 and roaming the streets at almost 2 am... well yep.. I would say go ahead and kick his ass.
Get off it already.. If he wanted to he could have just twisted her into a pretzel and thrown her to the ground... he was trying not to seriously injure her. She decided to act like an animal..
Like I said before the timestamp is what concerns me. why? What time was it?
As far as the curfew... well ONCE again... if she would have cooperated she would have probably been taken to her "domocile" and a citation issued to the parental units, at this time I use that term in the loosest possible fashion.
He could have left the camera off and broken her to pieces... he did not.. although if that would have happened I for one would not be supportive of his actions... bank on it.
#62 Posted by davis9808 on October 5, 2007 at 12:23 p.m. (Suggest removal)
Wonder how he would have responded if it was a big guy....can't handle a 100 lb child....
#63 Posted by davis9808 on October 5, 2007 at 12:26 p.m. (Suggest removal)
And the comments of all the people on this site...I can imagine where this officer is coming from....no compassion, no common sense....no nothing.
#64 Posted by jlgpa on October 5, 2007 at 12:33 p.m. (Suggest removal)
Give this officer an award for arresting this animal. She does not know right from wrong and she certainly does not know what it means to put her skinny little hand behind her back. Being a cop in Fort Pierce is not an easy job and the financial pay is embarrasing. At 2:00 am, a cop needs to be a cop. a little force, a punch or some pepper spray is sometimes needed to control the criminal. Too bad he did not taser this wild child, I would have enjoyed seeing that video of her taking 50,000 volts. In my mind- JOB WELL DONE.
#65 Posted by TraditionMan on October 5, 2007 at 12:44 p.m. (Suggest removal)
Emo, Melinda, whoever you are... ALL of this could have been avoided had she obeyed his order to put her hands behind her back the FIRST time he said it! She chose this route...
#66 Posted by dwwindsor on October 5, 2007 at 1:02 p.m. (Suggest removal)
O my God! Quick! Call Al Sharpton and Jesse Jackson! Come on people, why can't we all just get along? Well, because people still break the law, and usually, if not always say: "dey didnt do nuttin". If you gonna bust a move and break da law, the po po gonna be there to git ya'll. Thank God for the police officers who not only put up with this kind of crap on the streets, but also the crap from you second-guessing, loud-mouthed bleeding hearts.
#67 Posted by gbillzx10r on October 5, 2007 at 1:15 p.m. (Suggest removal)
wow...she bit him on the wrist and he hit her good....i think i sat here and watched it over and over for 10 mins.....we need more officers like this..i would have not kept my cool about it if i was in his shoes
#68 Posted by JoeyX on October 5, 2007 at 1:15 p.m. (Suggest removal)
Those of you lauding this are downright frightening. Those of you condoning this brutality hopefully have no children at home. This was a SCARED YOUNG GIRL FROM A CULTURE THAT (WONDER WHY NOW?) DISTRUSTS POLICE! There were no other officers who could have calmed her down? This man is an unprofessional thug. Keep applauding him...right up until he comes after you or your children. He is a disgrace to law enforcement.
#69 Posted by gbillzx10r on October 5, 2007 at 1:18 p.m. (Suggest removal)
sorry joelx but they will not be coming for me or my kids cause we lisen to the LAW............
#70 Posted by wolffsden on October 5, 2007 at 1:22 p.m. (Suggest removal)
If anyone who has ever been bitten by anything it is a knee jerk reaction to punch, swing or do anything to eliviate the situation. He didnt intentionally punch her. Anyone out there would react the same way.
The deeper issue is why a 15 year is roaming the streets, especially if its after midnite or whenever the curfew is. Just another example of how a certain race is being raised to disrespect anything and everything because they feel entitled. Pure stupidity and lack of parental involvement. But then agains thats everybody these days
#71 Posted by tontosrednecks on October 5, 2007 at 1:23 p.m. (Suggest removal)
Don't taze me BRO.
#72 Posted by dwwindsor on October 5, 2007 at 1:24 p.m. (Suggest removal)
JoeyX sounds like you have a little skeleton in da closet. Who do you think keeps the thugs from sneaking into your house at night to shoot you in your sleep in order to steal your big screen tv? You think you're just lucky? I sleep good at night knowing that the same guys you don't trust are doing their job out on the streets.
#73 Posted by FearAndSmear on October 5, 2007 at 1:27 p.m. (Suggest removal)
It never ceases to amaze how people can watch the same exact video clip yet come away with polar opposite views of what they just watched.
The cop is a: racist, professional, violent, restrained, abuser, victim.
The child is: innocent, criminal, should not have been arrested in the first place for curfew, lucky she didn't get her lights punched out or shot.
Is it any wonder that there is so much conflict in our society today?
Try visiting the middle sometime. It's so nice here in the obvious.
http://FearandSmear.com
#74 Posted by jvf on October 5, 2007 at 1:33 p.m. (Suggest removal)
PAY ATTENTION PARENTS IN PSL!
They are pushing for a curfew in PSL. Do you want your child to be manhandled and beaten like an animal for a CURFEW VIOLATION? And I have to wonder if the sentiments about this situation from the people who are saying, "great job officer!", would be different if we were dealing with a WHITE middle-class child and a BLACK officer.
#75 Posted by falsejohnson on October 5, 2007 at 1:48 p.m. (Suggest removal)
C'mon - the cop can't cuff her without pepper spray? Give me a break. Good luck trying to deal w/ a real criminal.
#76 Posted by quest4u on October 5, 2007 at 2:07 p.m. (Suggest removal)
Is this what freedom means in this country now. You can't even walk out at 7:20 in the evening?
Some of you sheepole don't even know any better, you think this is normal! And that's what scare me and my family and what is left of my country has gone to crap because of the way you think. This police officer is "NOT THE LAW", but he thinks he is!
#77 Posted by veroite on October 5, 2007 at 2:17 p.m. (Suggest removal)
If my white kids were video-taped being arrested exactly like this by a black officer, my kids would ask if they could please stay in jail, because they would not want to come home. This is a total lack of respect for authority. Parents that defend this type of activity by the child are creating this type of problem.
If my kid were to sneak out in the middle of the night and get caught by an officer, I would be one of the first people to come to the AID of the officer and the law enforcement department. It's called "tough love."
#78 Posted by Smitty on October 5, 2007 at 2:32 p.m. (Suggest removal)
I guess people have forgotten why we have policemen.. They are not out on the street to socialize and they are not there to just be tough. They are there to enforce the laws and they are trained not to react the way we would. Officer Gilroy - good job and thank goodness for the camera. I suspect this young adult doesn't have much of a home life and so she does pretty much what she pleases. That is the sad part of this story and it probably won't have a good ending. I just hope the Officer does not go down because of doing his job. I will be watching and hoping.
#79 Posted by legalwench on October 5, 2007 at 2:47 p.m. (Suggest removal)
FearAndSmear JoeyX wecoytote davis9808 New2vero sally22 and emo Get a clue!! This "child (?)" was not treated right? She was resisting arrest! That is against the law! The officer was very patient but the girl was acting like a rabid animal. Did her parents raise her this way? This female needs to learn how to follow the rules and laws of this city, county, state, and country. Her parents should also be held responsible for her actions. You know if you are out wandering the streets at 1:30 in the morning you are definitely up to no good. She should be the poster child for birth control!
Officer Gilroy needs to be commended for his actions and the female and her family need to be incarcerated! ! ! ! !
#80 Posted by Briley321 on October 5, 2007 at 2:48 p.m. (Suggest removal)
This crazy! So this girl was out after curfew..she is about 100 pounds, unarmed, and walking I assume home with a bag of new clothes. Why did he have to arrest her? Why not take her home? She is 15! I can understand if she was vandalizing something or stealing but from all I read she was walking home. Palm Beach is like Nazi Germany! All you rednecks are the problem with this country! Curfews, stupid laws, cops pepper spraying children..what a joke!
#81 Posted by helen91360 on October 5, 2007 at 3 p.m. (Suggest removal)
Joeyx, I'm confused. If this culture mistrusts and fears the police, why do things that attract the attention of the police? If you fear water, you don't go swimming, or even out on a boat.
Breaking curfew and carrying stolen property isn't a good way to avoid your fears!!
Small people, man and women, need to be very careful about fighting the police. When I lived in Jax, some 30 yrs ago,a tiny, 80 something lb lady decided to fight the over 300lb officer arresting her. In the struggle, they fell, and her back was broken. Her lawsuit was tossed out. What a shame to be in wheelchair because you would not co-operate.
#82 Posted by get_over_it on October 5, 2007 at 3:03 p.m. (Suggest removal)
A. Obey the police. They are simply doing their job.
B. To those who are hung up by the clock saying 7:20, take a break from your conspiracy theories and try to think for a minute. Is it not sunny in Florida at 7:20 on a July night? Obviously this video was shot well after dark, thus later than 7:20.
C. I have kids and I can control their actions with words alone. That is because they have been raised to respect authority. If that were my daughter, I would APPOLOGIZE to the officer, not condemn him.
The division we see in this forum clearly illustrates the mindsets of professional victims and those who take responsibility for their actions.
#83 Posted by mlr2127 on October 5, 2007 at 3:19 p.m. (Suggest removal)
Not only was the pepper spray warranted and the punch but he should have knocked her teeth out for what she did. I don't care if she's only 15. He told her over 15 times to put her hands behind her back. She did not listen and bit him. She got what she deserved. So JoeyX i guess its ok for her to hit kick and bite but its not for the officer to subdue her when she assaults him, thats ignorant like you are. Emo and gatorsalad as usual your comments are stupid. But I guess when it comes down to it its all about race now isn't it. Black girl white cop. Call Al and Jessie and we'll have us a Jenna 6 protest right here.
She didn't listen and she got what she deserved case closed.
#84 Posted by mlr2127 on October 5, 2007 at 3:20 p.m. (Suggest removal)
And if he's so mean and cruel why didn't he taser her.
#85 Posted by Mazda07 on October 5, 2007 at 3:27 p.m. (Suggest removal)
This girl deserved everything she got. She bit that officer putting him at risk for all types of diseases. Maybe she learned her lesson. (I doubt it) To the people saying that the officer did what he did because she is black, GET OVER IT.... IF IT WAS A WHITE GIRL AND A BLACK COP, YOU WOULDN'T BE SAYING ANYTHING AT ALL. GREAT JOB OFFICER, I GIVE YOU A DOOEY BUTTON FOR THAT ONE!!!!
#86 Posted by dmac49 on October 5, 2007 at 3:28 p.m. (Suggest removal)
The officer exhibited a tremendous amount of restraint. The timer on the tape may in fact be off, it does happen. In any event she should not have bitten anyone, cop or otherwise. I would interested as to where the "good" parents are for their 15 yr old. Maybe they should learn some parenting skills. How many times does one have to be told to do something. By the way the officer was responding to a citizens report and not just out "hunting" some poor "child".
#87 Posted by bensgtusmc on October 5, 2007 at 3:43 p.m. (Suggest removal)
This is a perfect example of how our brave "men in blue" perform under the most critical of conditions. Our thoughts and prayers ought to be with the true victim in this case, Officer Dan Gilroy. Hopefully, society will be rid of this perpetrator for many, many years now.
After all, if allowed to roam the streets in the evening....what's next? Ride in the front of the bus?
Dan Gilroy = One brave, tough cop!
#88 Posted by p3orion on October 5, 2007 at 3:49 p.m. (Suggest removal)
First: let's not get all wrapped up about the 7:20 time stamp. Obviously it was later than that; the sun would have still been up. Most likely it was flashing "12:00" until the officer went on duty (around 6:30?) and it started counting from there.
As for the girl: her parents should be asking not why their little baby got sprayed (that's obvious) but why she was out and where she got the garbage bag full of new clothes (lot of stores open after curfew, are there?) But if they can't teach her to obey the curfew laws, how about teaching her to respect authority? Failing that, how about a little common sense?
Just like that spoiled brat that got tasered at the John Kerry speech a few weeks ago. If the police give you a lawful order to "put your hands behind your back", then you put your hands behind your back. You don't think they should be arresting you? Fine, sue them later, but for now put your hands BEHIND YOUR BACK! The curfew is unfair? OK, talk to the city council tomorrow, but just now you should probably PUT YOUR HANDS BEHIND YOUR BACK! You think the whole city government is full of inbred racist rednecks just itching to persecute minorities, who think the best way to do that is to lock up young blacks girls out for an innocent stroll several hours after curfew? Wonderful, drop a dime to Al Sharpton, tell Tavis Smiley your woes, give an interview to 60 Minutes, and sing "we Shall Overcome", but do it later. For now, just PUT YOUR FRICKIN' HANDS BEHIND YOUR BACK!
Good job, officer.
#89 Posted by JohnGalt on October 5, 2007 at 4:12 p.m. (Suggest removal)
The girl is actually lucky that the officer responded to her after-midnight stroll. Does anyone remember the 16 year old who was killed by his friend when he sneaked out of the parents' house? That's why the curfew is called the Youth Protection Ordinance.
As for the the officer's critics who are arm-chair quarterbacking - try putting on a police officer's uniform, take the oath to protect the citizens of the city and uphold the law, then hit your beat. Think it's easy when you know any traffic stop could be your last? Or when someone points a gun at you? Yet you have react to all calls with the same restraint and professionalism as Officer Gilroy.
You're not so anxious to put that badge on, are you?
Personally, I'm glad all of the law enforcement officers made the career choices that they did.
#90 Posted by beachroamer on October 5, 2007 at 4:34 p.m. (Suggest removal)
I understand the chief of Fort Pierce Police asked the child's parents if they want an investigation into this incident and they didn't even call him back.
#91 Posted by scrobi3 on October 5, 2007 at 4:48 p.m. (Suggest removal)
The fact that some are defending this girl goes to the very heart of the reason that someone this young could be so dispectul of police authority. I don't know about anyone else but can you imagine resisting an officer as she did when you were fifteen - or for that matter, resisting any responsible adult in that way? Of course, we wouldn't have been out at 1:30 a.m. either. I still wouldn't be able to sit on my behind these 30 years later if my dad had seen a tape such as this. Of course, she probably doesn't have a dad at home and also not much of a mother if she's out in the middle of the night.
For all the arm-chair generals - we don't know what happened prior to the officer getting in front of his dash-cam. She must have done something more to warrant the arrest in the first place - even other than the curfew violation. Could also be this isn't her first run-in and he was well-acquainted with who she is and what she might be capable of doing. Don't be so quick to judge based on a few seconds of tape.
BTW - I see this story has made the Drudge Report. Hasn't she made us all so proud.
#92 Posted by jadesstory on October 5, 2007 at 4:56 p.m. (Suggest removal)
It's 1:30 at night do you know where your child is? I live on 24th st. and that girl was out hooking all the time until Officer Gilroy put a stop to that. 3his neighborhood has gone down hill in the past few years. That man that was arrested for abusing all those dogs lived right down the road, officer Gilroy made that arrest also. Over the years we have made many complaints to the police department without any response but since Officer Gilroy has started patroling the area seems to be getting better. Say what you want but I live here and am glad to have officer Gilroy looking out for us.
#93 Posted by Bellamora on October 5, 2007 at 5:03 p.m. (Suggest removal)
THE OFFICER DID WRONG...AS USUAL!! THIS IS A 15YR OLD CHILD HE'S DEALING WITH! NOT AN ADULT. He could have calmed her down by telling here WHAT he was doing and why, further, THERE WAS NO NEED for HIM to ARREST HER!! That seems to be the way all cops handle things now, they DON'T WANT TO WORK, JUST ARREST!
YES, no doubt the girl did the wrong thing by NOT putting her hands behind her back. BUT WHY ARREST her in the first place? WHY NOT ASK first, what the child is doing out, then see what action is NEEDED, and NOT the EASY way out!!!
Now, one more black person has a reason to hate whites and since she'll probably be found guilty of a felony, this is one more person who will not be able to find work in the future and will live off the public dole -- which costs all of us money and DESTROYS OUR SOCIETY!!!
#94 Posted by RUKidding on October 5, 2007 at 5:06 p.m. (Suggest removal)
I for one am just glad to see them enforcing this curfew... There was a similar curfew supposedly put in place a few years ago, but I guess it was hard to enforce. HOORAY!!! KEEP UP THE GOOD WORK!!!..
As to the comment earlier "Where was the Parent", On the news last night they stated that the Parent was standing in the yard.
What are these kids doing out this late anyway?? 15 years old on a school night? I doubt she was at the corner buying milk.....
Hats off to the officers enforcing the curfews....
#95 Posted by sonofasailor2 on October 5, 2007 at 5:28 p.m. (Suggest removal)
This officer did a terrific job. Once you disobey the police, all bets are off and the person doing the disobeying is resposible for any further consequences (cause and effect).
Unfortunately, in the black community, 70% of children are born with no father around. There is a good chance that this young lady had no clear boundries put into her life growing up. She probably was raised by just her mom or a grandmother (as 70% of black children are). This is a shame. If more children were born with dads active in their lives, the crime rate and drop out rate in schools for the black community would drop significantly.
It's time men to stop getting ladies and girls pregnant that you are not married to (with no intentions of being active in the lives of the children you create). It's time ladies to stop having 3-4 children with different men, that you are not married to, because that was the way you were raised. Let's stop this vicious cycle.
#96 Posted by scrobi3 on October 5, 2007 at 5:39 p.m. (Suggest removal)
For all we know this "child" could already be a mother herself.
People do a great disservice to law-abiding citizens of all races and/or socio-economic levels when they continue to defend those who are clearly out-of-bounds.
#97 Posted by crazyc5 on October 5, 2007 at 5:44 p.m. (Suggest removal)
Bellamora - I hope you're not serious. By the time this recorder was rolling, she was already out of control.
Do you really think a curfew violation arrest would be a big deal? If an officer arrested me when I was 15 at 1:30am for a curfew violation, my parents would have picked me up at the jail and reprimanded me. If her parents are DEFENDING her actions, I'm guessing she would not have gotten in any trouble at home for a curfew violation. The courts would have done VERY little with it, if anything.
My guess - she was not afraid of a curfew arrest, she was afraid of other charges.
Maybe if he told her to wait there while he drove to a local convenience store to purchase some lolly-pops and a soda they could sit down and chat a while, this whole incident could have been avoided.
I'm embarrassed for you to make a comment like you did.
#98 Posted by davis9808 on October 5, 2007 at 5:56 p.m. (Suggest removal)
Nobody knows what happen before he put himself in front of the camera to justify what he did....I still stand by my comments....
#99 Posted by midewsterner on October 5, 2007 at 6:01 p.m. (Suggest removal)
Great Job, Officer. Great use of restraint, great use of force, and great support from the department. We need more officers like you. Professional, and smart enough to record situations that have the potential to be used against you. Congratulations, you just saved yourself and your department. Again, great job, officer!
#100 Posted by Repubtallygirl on October 5, 2007 at 6:19 p.m. (Suggest removal)
Again, the police officer did a great job. 15 yrs old is old enough to understand an order given to her by a police officer. She kept saying,"I don't want to go to jail," could that be because she was breaking the law and knew she was busted?
She will be in and out of jail her whole pathatic life.
I admire the officer. He was a lot more patient than I would have been.
Stupid girl.
#101 Posted by c_junk on October 5, 2007 at 6:26 p.m. (Suggest removal)
I agree with the former MP, this was excessive force. Also I did check the Youth Protection Ordinance and unless there are mitigating factors like the officer having knowledge that this individual has previously been cited for curfew violations, arrest is not indicated. Under penalties it lists:
"Upon violation of this section for the first time, a person shall be given a warning citation by the officer".
Under "disposition of the minor", if no parent is with the minor, or the minor won't sign a form that the officer provides for the minor to sign then:
"If the minor either refuses or fails to sign such form, or if the minor's conduct does not fall within an exception to the curfew law, the officer shall transport the minor to the city police station where prompt, reasonable attempts shall be made by police personnel to locate the minor's parent."
I don't see where arrest is indicated, let alone pepper spray. Also if the officer was intending the video to insulate him from potential lawsuits he should fix his clock.
#102 Posted by UpNorthAndSane on October 5, 2007 at 6:34 p.m. (Suggest removal)
When all you broken-tooth rednecks down there wooping it up over this wake up one day in a Nazi Police State, your minds will surely be too meth addled to think back to this incident as the beginnings of your problems. Your meth induced haze will not allow you to see this incident as the origins of yourselves being locked up or cuffed by jackboots, yourselves screaming "But what did I do?!" Thanks to MORONS like you who do not have the strentgh of character or BRAINS to understand the significance of punching kids and spaying mace right into their eyes, we are all on the path to a Nazi Police State and we see it every day in senseless excessive Taserings etc. Ah yes but all of you hillbilly NitWits can just sit back and chuckle "Welp it aint me so whats do I care?!?! Doh."
You are all as pathetic as the empty beer cans you throw off your back porches.
#103 Posted by upperatlantic on October 5, 2007 at 6:36 p.m. (Suggest removal)
When I see the indifference to traditional enlightenment Western cultural values and plain stupidity in the people who approve of what this cop did, I can not help but be reminded of all the good Germans, Lutherans even, who applauded, cheered, and said "job well done" when the Gestapo marched the Jews off to concentration camps.
#104 Posted by bensgtusmc on October 5, 2007 at 6:38 p.m. (Suggest removal)
Don't they give some sort of award or medal for police officers who show such huge acts of bravery as we saw in this case?
This officers quick, life or death decision to avoid the temptation to use any sort of compassion or restraint is exemplary.
Imagine how ugly this video would have looked if a bunch of minutes passed by as a back-up car or two showed up with perhaps a female officer, and they sorted this whole thing out?
That would have been really hard to watch....
#105 Posted by UpNorthAndSane on October 5, 2007 at 6:41 p.m. (Suggest removal)
"When I see the indifference to traditional enlightenment Western cultural values and plain stupidity in the people who approve of what this cop did, I can not help but be reminded of all the good Germans, Lutherans even, who applauded, cheered, and said "job well done" when the Gestapo marched the Jews off to concentration camps."
Yes, exactly. I watched The War on PBS this week stunned yet once again how ordinary Germans and Austrians etc. could allow such a horror as the senseless mass killings of the Holocoust could possibly occur.
But reading the comments of the BONE BRAIN HILLBILLIES on this board who dont seem to have any problem with PUNCHING kids and spraying mace into their eyes, I can see to easily how the Nazis were so able to orchestrate mass killings and a nationwide police state without any ordinary citizens trying to stop it.
Thank you toothless hillbillies, you are putting us on that path because unfortunately we have to share this wonderful country with you.
#106 Posted by flchicksrule on October 5, 2007 at 6:44 p.m. (Suggest removal)
There is alot of information missing that many of you might not be thinking of...
15 or not what is someone doing out walking the street at this hour... I would consider it suspicious. If I saw her I would have stopped her and questioned her.
What we all do not see on the video is what took place prior. What did she say or what were actions that made this officer feel the need to handcuff her.
So many are caught up with the fact she was 15. Did the officer know for a fact she was 15? I am sure she did not have ID on her. Not that is should change his actions if she is not an adult.
When she was given a command a 6 year old would understand and she does not comply and then attempts or even bites it steps it up a bit.
I have seen officer Gilroy at work and trust me he could have subdued her early on and can handle bigger and stronger. I think he was not trying to use excessive force till it was neccessary and even then... he still didn't do all he could have like using his tazer or taking her down to the ground.
AS far as the time on the clock... it is nice of you all to assume it is suppose to be the 'time' of the incident. Could that be the point of the tape where the recording was? hmmm didn't think of that did you?
As far as the area this took place it is not known for the lowest crime area around. And as far as curfew... what a surprise? I agree with the lack of parent responsibility. If she was home where she should be this wouldn't have happened.
And for what was in the bag? Hmmm if they were new clothes with tags on them... where did they come from? That raises some questions? I do not carry a bunch of brand new clothes around in a garbage bag do you?
I think the officer did his job. Just to put this in your heads... if we were a jury against her or even a civil trial against him... it would all be dropped due to a jury that can not all decide on one verdict... great isn't it... so once again tax payers dollars at waste... Where is the morals and ethics of this world that noone can agree on what is right and wrong... makes me feel great!
Welcome to America...
#107 Posted by quest4u on October 5, 2007 at 6:44 p.m. (Suggest removal)
How can I or anybody with half a brain trust police when they say something, they can't even set the time on the there dash cam?It makes me wonder if the time was right in his report?
#108 Posted by UpNorthAndSane on October 5, 2007 at 6:44 p.m. (Suggest removal)
"Don't they give some sort of award or medal for police officers who show such huge acts of bravery as we saw in this case?
This officers quick, life or death decision"
MY GOD YOU ARE IMMENSELY STUPID!!! 'LIFE OR DEATH DECISION?" ARE YOU INSANE? SHE CLEARLY SUBMITTED AFTER HE PUNCHED HER AND A GOOD 20 SECONDS OF TIME GOES BY WITH NO RESISTANCE WHILE HE FUMBLED WITH THE MACE, NOT TO MENTION THE FATSO WEIGHS ABOUT THREE TIMES AS MUCH AS HER JEEZ IT IS EMBARRASSING THAT PEOPLE LIKE YOU EXIST YOU TOOTHLESS HILLBILLY
#109 Posted by bensgtusmc on October 5, 2007 at 6:51 p.m. (Suggest removal)
Posted by UpNorthAndSane
umm....my post is clearly, CLEARLY....C-L-E-A-R-L-Y
sarcastic, no? (psssst! I'm on your side!)
(Apology accepted)
#110 Posted by mikeagoodfellow on October 5, 2007 at 7:05 p.m. (Suggest removal)
This incident could have been avoided were Shelwanda not out after curfew.
I watched the video and waited for the time reference that emo used as 'proof positive' of wrong actions by the officer. I noticed the officer purposefully positioned her and himself in the view of the camera.
I don't see any violence from the officer. What I did see was a person willfully resist arrest. None of us were there so we can't judge the reasons for the arrest, but she clearly was not following his instructions. Sure she's 15, but that's old enough to comply with the officer's directions. I wonder if her lawyer will counter with some sort of affirmative defense.
From what I saw, there wasn't anything which indicated race was a factor.
#111 Posted by UpNorthAndSane on October 5, 2007 at 7:06 p.m. (Suggest removal)
Well, you know given the context of all the incredibly assinine, senseless, STUPID and non thinking TOOTHLESS HILLBILLY posts here supporting the act of punching children in the face and spraying mace directly into their eyes, it was actually hard to notice your sarcasm so yes, I do apologize.
#112 Posted by BathshebaFinklestein on October 5, 2007 at 7:12 p.m. (Suggest removal)
Good job Ofc Gilroy. Glad you're ok.
For those of you who don't know what people are capable of, I have a friend who was kicked in the hip by a 14 year old female he was arresting and his hip was dislocated. Anyone can fight, even teenage girls. So people can stop with the he's bigger than her crap.
And no, he shouldn't have to call for a female officer or wait for a backup to arrive. She should have done what she was told, then got it sorted out from there. It stems from no respect for anyone, each other or law enforcement.
People expect him to start saying pretty please with sugar on top put your hands behind your back? Be realistic. It's not a negotiation.
He used his head and pepper sprayed her after he was bitten. He did not use his baton, taser, or gun. So people can stop with the he shouldn't have sprayed her crap.
Why don't you complainers try the job and see what happens. Those who think they will go out and handle anyone and anything will have their ass handed to them. It's sure to be an eye opening experience for you. Go on some ride alongs at least during the peak hours of activity.
And don't compare being arrested for breaking the law or an ordinance with a Nazi state. It's two different things. If you want anarchy, move to a country where it is accepted, if you can find one.
#113 Posted by tontosrednecks on October 5, 2007 at 7:14 p.m. (Suggest removal)
bensgtusmc and upnorthandsane get a room, would you.
#114 Posted by andynesther on October 5, 2007 at 7:30 p.m. (Suggest removal)
I have said this before in this forum, now I will say it again.
I have three daughters. I have told them if an officer tells you to stop; STOP!!!!
I the officer tells you that you are under arrest; Game over, you lose.
If you are right, we will fight it. If you are wrong, you pay the price. Otherwise, you may get shot and killed by the law. So be smart.
#115 Posted by bensgtusmc on October 5, 2007 at 7:32 p.m. (Suggest removal)
The previous posts that refer to the "Police State", Nazi Germany points are spot-on.
Cameras that will ticket you remotely. "DUI Checkpoints" that net large amounts of arrests (largely not related to DUI)... being arrested for being stopped to SEE if you are breaking the law...
Brown shirt kids working for the authorities
under-cover...
Wake up folks...
#116 Posted by cranze323 on October 5, 2007 at 7:41 p.m. (Suggest removal)
I dont see a race being exterminated. So how is it a Nazi state?
#117 Posted by get_over_it on October 5, 2007 at 7:46 p.m. (Suggest removal)
UpNorthAndSane: You are an embarrassment to myself and everyone else who lives up north (At least I assume that the "north" part of your name is true. I am currently questioning your sanity). You are the stereotype of an intolerant liberal elitist. You are not able to discuss an issue without resorting to name calling. Discuss the issues if you are capable. And yes, I am doing a bit of name calling, but it is targeted at you. Your consistent use of toothless hillbilly (in all caps no less) is no better than a KKK member making broad statements about all minorities.
This whole issue would never have happened if the girl had been home where she belonged. Baring staying at home, she should have complied with the officers demands.
It is true we don’t know what happened prior to the camera being turned on, but our choices are:
A. The girl was acting in the same combative fashion
B. The officer did something to cause her to lose control.
Sorry, but I am more inclined to believe A
Don’t get so fixated on the outcome; it is the events that lead to this event that are the real crime. She shouldn’t have been out in the first place, but was. She should have behaved like a rational person, but didn’t. Fifteen is old enough to take responsibility for your actions. She is not a child by any stretch. She is a young adult and should know right from wrong.
The fact that she and the officer had to cross paths like this is sad. It is sadder still that so many are so quick to defend someone who was indisputably in the wrong (curfew) and did nothing but dig her hole deeper with ever action.
bensgtusmc: stay on topic. We are talking about the arrest. You have some valid concerns, but they are not what is at issue here. If the people of Ft. Perice don't want the cerfew, they can move to have it repealed.
#118 Posted by cranze323 on October 5, 2007 at 7:46 p.m. (Suggest removal)
Don't violate the law, don't get a ticket, don't get arrested.
Wake up folks.
#119 Posted by chrisward24 on October 5, 2007 at 7:54 p.m. (Suggest removal)
Upnorthandsane fat and hillbilly? were u talking about yourself. another moron making a dumbass comment who's not from here. Go read your hillbilly news and count your sheep you piece of crap.
#120 Posted by JohnGalt on October 5, 2007 at 8:09 p.m. (Suggest removal)
<shaking head> c_junk, there are times to read between the lines but the Youth Protection Ordinance strike-outs don't count. The portion of the ordinance that you're referring to was repealed and struck out of the ordinance. The current ordinance says:
(j)Restricted hours means:
(1)The hours between 12:00 midnight and 6 a.m., seven days a week.
Sec. 11-93. Violation by Minor. It is a violation of this ordinance for any minor to remain, linger stay, congregate, move about, wander, or stroll in any public or semi-public place in the City of Fort Pierce, either on foot or in or upon any vehicle, during restricted hours.
Sec. 11-95. Parental responsibility in regard to Restricted Hours. It shall be unlawful for a parent of a minor to knowingly permit or by insufficient control allow the minor to remain in any public or semi-public place or on the premises of any establishment within the city during the curfew hours.
Sec. 11-99. Enforcement Procedures as to Minors. Unless flight by the person or other circumstances makes it impractical, a law enforcement officer, upon finding a suspected minor in violation of this ordinance shall:
(a) have the suspected minor identify themselves by name, age and address; make every reasonable effort to verify the information provided by the juvenile, through written documentation, contact with the parent or otherwise;
(b) ascertain the minors (sic) reason for being in the public or semi-public place during restricted hours;
(c) if the minor is found to be in violation of the ordinance, the minor shall be taken to a parent or to the Juvenile Assessment Center (JAC). The officer may file the appropriate papers to request that a petition be filed in court in accordance with FSS Chapter 984, Children/Family in Need of Services (CINS/FINS).
Officer Gilroy was within his enforcement rights to detain the "young lady" to question her about the reasons for her violation of the ordinance. Please refer to the following link for the complete ordinance:
http://www.fppd.org/
After contacting several law enforcement friends in Florida and throughout the country, and reserching the Florida statutes about this incident and use of force, the unanimous consensus was that use of force is "...only the amount of force necessary to effect an arrest."
Officer Gilroy significantly outweighed the girl and clearly did not want to apply force that would seriously injure her so he chose the least amount of force to protect her. He could have easily thrown her to the ground and taken her into custody but she may have been seriously injured. He followed the rules to the letter.
For those who talk about a Nazi state, if this was a Nazi state, NO ONE would be on the streets at any time of the day or night. That sounds like the ramblings of someone who hasn't emerged from the
40's drug-induced fog.
John Galt continues since the 1930's...
#121 Posted by bensgtusmc on October 5, 2007 at 8:13 p.m. (Suggest removal)
This is a 15 year old kid allegedly "violating curfew".
If I were the officer, I'd rather not have this video displayed over the national news, because it is ugly.
I am the parent of 3 pretty frisky teenagers who can cause some decent grief. Never once did I need to blast pepper spray in my daughters eyes, no matter how mad she made me.
But you guys seem insistent that when handling children suspected of such crimes against humanity, the first responder has absolutely no ability to handle it any other way? (To keep it off the Drudge Report, and out of the hands of civil lawyers at the very least?)
Oh...I bet they can, and I bet it happens more often than not.
#122 Posted by jta on October 5, 2007 at 8:14 p.m. (Suggest removal)
there was no reason to put on handcuffs to this girl. the officer just wanted to play out all his power on this crispy female teenager. like in many countries in the world, policemen are sometimes perversians.
and what i saw was a plain pervert act of someone showing power on a young girl. this was not an adequate official act for a minor misdeed.
i am easy talking like this, as i am far away from the usa. so you should know, that this video has been going around the world and we all have seen, there is a pervert peace of human a policeman in florida.
regards
jta
#123 Posted by yogimike on October 5, 2007 at 8:54 p.m. (Suggest removal)
You know what I think? I think the idiot should have put her hands behind her back. Thank you Officer Gilroy for not being afraid to do your job. Law abiding citizens appreciate your efforts. Well done.
#124 Posted by get_over_it on October 5, 2007 at 9:16 p.m. (Suggest removal)
bensgtusmc: No rational parent would use pepper spray on their children. That would rightfully get you in trouble with child services.
The officer, however, is not her parent. He is trying to uphold the laws of Ft. Pierce. If the residents of Ft. Pierce want their kids to be able to roam the streets at 1:30 in the morning, they need to repeal the law.
Answer honestly here: If one of your kids were caught breaking curfew, do you think their reaction would be to fight the officer or to comply with his commands? If they did fight the officer, would you expect the officer to simply take it, or to protect himself? As a parent, would you not be mortified to see your child behave in such a matter? I can honestly say that if that was my 12 year old in that video, I would be upset about the incident, but I would be upset with my kid, not the officer.
The officer did strike her, but I think it was simply a reaction to being bit. It appears he pulled the punch at the last second as I would have expected her head to move more violently if he hit her full force. I do take some issue with the punch. It would have been nice for the punch to not to have happened, but it would also be nice for her not to have bitten him. To me, this bit of the video is a wash as both sides were out of control to some degree.
The officer had several weapons at his disposal. He only used the least harmful one and only after provoked. If you watch closely, it looks like he starts for his pepper spray before she bites him, but decides not to. Only after she bites him does he use it.
He certainly could have physically forced her into cuffs by overpowering her, but that runs the risk of dislocated joints or broken bones if she resisted hard enough. A bit of pepper spray is by no means pleasant, but it is safer for all involved.
In short, this is a sad event, but it is more a commentary of bad parenting and kids left to roam free than it is about the police.
#125 Posted by BathshebaFinklestein on October 5, 2007 at 9:18 p.m. (Suggest removal)
Why aren't we asking why she violated the law/ordinance, not obey a lawful command, resist and bite the officer? Why was she out? Why did she not do what she was told? It's not a negotiation.
Why are there cameras in stores? Because people rob and steal, not because of a Nazi state. Why are there DUI checkpoints? (that are advertised so you know where they are and if you're drunk or smoking weed and drive up to one, you're an idiot). Because drunk driving causes crashes that harm people, not because of a Nazi state.
Ben, you have USMC in your name. I wasn't able to go military but my father was USMC. He taught me morals, ethics, and respect. Respect for others and their property as well as for law enforcement. He taught me to do the right thing, not break the law, no matter how small, and if I did, I deserved what I got. He taught me what he learned from his parents and the Corps.
What does the military do to those who refuse to obey orders/lawful commands?
I was no angel growing up and did stupid things. I deserved what I got out of it. I always had respect for law enforcement though. I never gave them any crap. If I got caught speeding, I signed the ticket. I did what I was told, like it or not, out of respect. I hope my children will grow up the same way.
It is different arresting someone who is resisting/fighting/biting than disciplining your own children. Sometimes it does take 2,3,4,5 officers to gain control of a person. Even the small ones can fight.
When did things change where we feel we need to stick up for the people who commit crimes, even the small ones instead of feeling they got what they deserve?
Sure there are bad police just like the are bad workers in any other profession, but they are few and far between luckily.
I wonder why they choose the occupation where they are damned if they do and damned if they don't; where they may not go home one night to their own families; where they have to examine every dead body that rescue goes to then console the family while waiting for a funeral home to arrive; where they have to do CPR on people who have died from crack and they are there before rescue or a child in a pool; where they are first on the scene of a mother and son struck by a truck; or a person hit by an F350 at 45 MPH with his brains all over the road; where they may get hurt and disabled and not be able to support their family; where they investigate and try to solve crimes like burglaries to right the wrongs; where there is a high rate of divorce and suicide; where they get very few "Thank you's" and support from the same people they try to help.
Maybe one day there will be a change in the wind and there will be more support for those who chose to serve and protect even if it costs them ridicule or the loss of their life.
May God bless the Police Officers and Deputies of this country and keep them safe so they may return to their families.
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#126 Posted by bensgtusmc on October 5, 2007 at 10:23 p.m. (Suggest removal)
BathshebaFinklestein
Excellently written post, I can agree with a bunch of it!
I value and respect much of what our police officers have to do, and their dealings with things extraordinarily difficult. Very often thanklessly, as you mention.
In the Marine Corps, and as an NCO myself...when dealing with rule-breakers, I had discretion from "simply dropping it" all the way up to any sort of extreme. In simple cases such as "curfew violation", I felt like most folks could use a good old-fashioned butt-chewing.
We of course did not often deal with children though..
#127 Posted by jerryel on October 5, 2007 at 10:27 p.m. (Suggest removal)
What's with the youth of today when it comes to the police? There is no respect. Since I was raised in Miami during the 50's you had a different kind of respect for the cops...A respect for that gun on their hip and retribution if you even touched a cop.
That aside...When anyone with a deadly weapon gives you an order to do something you'd better do it unless you don't mind dying. In this case the officer tried to use minimum force but her continued resistance to being handcuffed could have been much more serious than what happened...She was lucky her arm wasn't broken or worse.
When one is attacked such as biting primitive emotion takes over and of course you strike back, regardless of training, the pain causes an immediate unthinking reaction. You can't fault the cop for striking her and then macing her to end this violent arrest.
#128 Posted by newport1017 on October 5, 2007 at 10:55 p.m. (Suggest removal)
.us that come from port feirce know how dirty the leos can be and have a completely jaded view of them.in this case though this lil girl should have just cooperated and wouldn't be in as much trouble as she is.one other thing,i don't get is how they are charging her with felony battery on a leo,at the same time she's getting hit with a resisting arrest w/o violence and obstruction. battery implicates that there is physical action that has insued upon an officer.so how can they charge her with battery on a leo and not charge her with resisting arrest w/ violence.it can't go both ways.
it seems that they are just trying to charge her with anything that can stick.this is just another example of put as many charges as you can on someone until something will get you a conviction.the lil girl was wrong but at the same time you have no business being a cop if you can't subdue someone less than half your size.he should have have taken control of the situation way sooner before it got that far.
sometimes incidents envolving leos take a turn for the worse.they do their job to the best of their ability as far as of how they were trained.in my opinion there should be better protocol for cases like this.a female oficer should have been called to at least make sure that the girl in ? ws dealt with properly.in any case that involves a female, a lady officer is supposed to be present at the time of arrest as soon as possible.
the girl broke curfew, so what, unless she broke any other laws besides that,he could have made sure she got home. i have been in situations where i have broke curfew when i was younger and the only thing that happened was the officer followed me home(as i was walking)or just said that it wasn't a good idea for me to be out so late and said if he caught me out again he'd take me in.i learnt my lesson and and didn't have my ass on the streets so late.the same could have been done for this girl but unfortunately it didn't go down that way.
i would really like to know what happened leading up to the video clip.never believe anything you hear and half of what you see.there is obviously more that happened leading up to what we saw transpire for the leo to react the way he did.if there isn't,then the officer has absolutely no business on the streets dealing with citizens in situations like this.
there are enough negative preconceptions about leos in this day in age for something like this to happen and it makes the situation even worse.the young black youth,not only in this area,do not trust the police as it is and this incident does not help the predicament what so ever.there are changes that need to be made in the worst way quick fast and in a hurry before it gets to the point of no return.
a few words from a toubled soul,port
#129 Posted by BathshebaFinklestein on October 5, 2007 at 10:56 p.m. (Suggest removal)
I'm sure that was what Ofc Gilroy planned on doing at first. Call and have the parents come and get her. That's the first choice and easiest course of action. Get them off the streets and back with the parents who may not know what their kid is doing. So you ask for ID, name, address, phone number for the parents, call the parents, they show up, get the kid and you're done.
As I'm sure you know, there are some that just will not let you do the easy thing. There are those who refuse to give the correct name, address, phone numbers, etc., some try to play attorney on the side of the road and just will not let you do the easy thing. You only have one other alternative as you can't just leave them on the side of the road. Then when you explain the alternative and they find out they really don't know the law, they resist. It's not a negotiation as I said before.
We don't know what was done before he smartly used his camera but she didn't appear to want to cooperate even when he said please. He was actually very patient telling her several times to put her hands behind her back. When one won't cooperate or obey your command, you have to go to the alternative, which he went to his spray. The spray allowed him to gain control, preventing the need for other alternatives. He made a good choice and it worked out well.
Thanks for the reply ben, it is appreciated.
Semper Fi
#130 Posted by starrlw on October 5, 2007 at 11:09 p.m. (Suggest removal)
Are you kidding me why are some of you defending her, im 15 and live in Fort Pierce I wouldn't be out at 1:30, and certainly wouldn't be yelling and screaming at an officer if he asked me to put my hands behind my back. Not to mention some of you calling her a "child", if you asked her anytime before this she would have told you herself she was not a "child" and could take care of herself.
#131 Posted by BathshebaFinklestein on October 5, 2007 at 11:24 p.m. (Suggest removal)
The charges are correct. Resisting w/o Violence/Obstructing are the same thing. Battery on LEO or Resisting with Violence both fit. Use either one. Both are the same class felony and would be like repeating the charges I believe.
If he wanted to stack charges, he probably could added others depending in what else took place, possibly assault, loitering and prowling if it fit, etc. I'm sure he could have found more to add but felt it not necessary.
newport the difference between your going home and hers could be you had respect and cooperated.I wasn't there so I can't say. Times have changed haven't they?
#132 Posted by tachluvsjesus on October 5, 2007 at 11:43 p.m. (Suggest removal)
I am in total shock after watching that video! I was scared for that girl.... I understand how she could be scared of being arrested first off. Has anyone here ever been pulled over and you feel the surge of adrenaline surge through your blood all the while thinking OOh Great, what did I do ...
Imagine being a 15 yo out past curfew ((maybe she snuk out)) and thinking about how much trouble she was going to be in?? I mean c'mon I can see that happening so easily... She starts freaking out because she's SCARED.. and you wanna know what happens to your body when your scared? Well its simple, Your flight or fight response kicks in and you do one of the two. Why do you think she started "resisting" I could clearly see this young lady shaking as the officer kept forcing her arm twisted and backward to meet and greet her neck and thought for sure it was going to get broken! The fact that people on this message forum are calling her an animal reminds me of what the Indians had to deal with being referred to as "savages" because white people didn't understand(or care to I might add) their culture/customs and out of fear , thought they deserved brutality as well. I am so sickened to my stomach as I write this to know that the vast majority of people in our community condone/promote and applaud this type of BRUTE force on a young woman who WE know NOTHING about other than she's young/black/and out passed curfew since none of us has ever done anything like that when we were young.(wink,wink)
Since she is screaming "she must be on something" someone stated...Are you freaking kidding me.... she was crying!! I can say with all certainty that if this same girl were white and lived in PSL and the officer was seen handling her the exact same way, She would of been looked at by the vast majority here as a person who was violated by a Police officer who got way out of line!
#133 Posted by jerryel on October 6, 2007 at 12:28 a.m. (Suggest removal)
C'mon drop the race card BS. I really doubt the comments would be any different if it was some cute blue-eyed blond girl. The video shows a girl out of control (and evidently out of control with her parents too or she wouldn't have been out at 1:30 AM), resisting arrect with violence and vert lucky her arm wasn't broken or worse.
Those that bring up her race are the most racist of all. It was a PERSON, a young out of control teeny-bopper who didn't do as she was supposed to do for whatever reason we don't know. Maybe she was on some kind of drugs, maybe she is just a high-strung teenager. She certainly had no respect for the law or the police officer.
In any case, the cop handled it as well as he could without injuring her much worse. If he would have used his strength to force her arms in position it probably would have resulted in a broken arm or torn tendons (which is worse in some cases).
color, and Got Kids and this shit dont compleatly piss you the fuck off.. Man I duno what will..? Its time to WAKE THE FUCK UP PEOPLE....!!!!!!! 
If we had more Officer like you on the streets. The inner city of this country would be a better place. Respect!!!!!!!!!
