"While Bernie Sanders has always stood up for African Americans, Joe Biden has repeatedly let us down"

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While Bernie Sanders has always stood up for African Americans, Joe Biden has repeatedly let us down
BY NINA TURNER
JANUARY 12, 2020

In choosing between the two Democratic Party candidates atop the polls, African American voters have a consequential decision to make:

Will our community side with former Vice President Joe Biden, who has repeatedly betrayed black voters to side with Republican lawmakers and undermine our progress? Or will we stand with Vermont Sen. Bernie Sanders and a movement that has been fighting for racial and economic justice since the civil rights era?

This critical choice is illustrated by the key differences between Biden and Sanders – which began at the beginning of their respective careers.

As a recent NBC News headline said of Biden’s time in the Senate: “Biden didn’t just compromise with segregationists. He fought for their cause.” The NBC report quoted the NAACP’s legal director saying that one Biden-backed measure “heaves a brick through the window of school integration.”

And Biden didn’t just vote for bills designed to prevent black students from accessing white schools: in a series of personal letters he actively courted pro-segregation senators to support the legislation.

Sanders, by contrast, began his work in politics by organizing civil rights protests. As a college student, he helped lead a local chapter of the Congress of Racial Equality in its push to desegregate housing. Sanders participated in the Rev. Martin Luther King Jr.’s March on Washington and was arrested for protesting rampant school segregation in Chicago. In addition, Sanders has been pushing an education plan that supports local efforts to combat racial segregation.

As a local elected official, Sanders also defied the political establishment by proudly endorsing Jesse Jackson’s 1988 presidential campaign; Sanders said that Jackson was a candidate “who has done more than any other candidate in living memory to bring together the disenfranchised.”


And the contrast between Biden and Sanders continued during the early 1990s.

Biden facilitated the public degradation of Anita Hill, an esteemed professor already victimized by a powerful man.

Biden also fought alongside right-wing Republicans to pass so-called “welfare reform” that reduced financial support for low-income families. Biden echoed former President Ronald Reagan’s dishonest “welfare queen” language and wrote a column conjuring an ugly stereotype of “welfare mothers driving luxury cars and leading lifestyles that mirror the rich and famous.”

In contrast, Sanders vigorously opposed these punitive cuts. “What welfare reform did, in my view,” Sanders said, “was to go after some of the weakest and most vulnerable people in this country.”

Similarly Biden worked with segregationist Republican Sen. Strom Thurmond to pass “tough on crime” legislation that targeted black communities with punitive criminal justice policies while promoting mass incarceration and harsh punishment for nonviolent crimes. At one point Biden declared that every “major crime bill since 1976 that’s come out of this Congress, every minor crime bill, has had the name of the Democratic senator from the state of Delaware — Joe Biden.”

One of the leading dissenters to Biden’s “tough on crime” agenda was Sanders, who Vox noted was “an early critic of mass incarceration and punitive criminal justice policies.”

The contrast between Biden and Sanders also extends to economic policies.

Biden has repeatedly worked with Republicans to try to slash Social Security even though “almost three-fourths of African American beneficiaries rely on Social Security for at least half their income,” according to the National Committee to Preserve Social Security and Medicare. Sanders, on the other hand, has fought to block those cuts and has proposed expanding Social Security.

Biden did the bidding of his credit card industry donors by helping Republican lawmakers make it more difficult for Americans to reduce their debts in bankruptcy court. At one point, Biden split with then-Sen. Barack Obama and almost every other Senate Democrat to help Republicans kill an amendment to protect medical debtors from predatory lenders.

Biden’s bankruptcy legislation passed in 2005 over the objection of Sanders; 12 years later ProPublica reported that “black people struggling with debts are far less likely than their white peers to gain lasting relief from bankruptcy.”

And today the differences between Biden and Sanders remain stark.

Biden opposes Democratic efforts to legalize marijuana. Sanders, on the other hand, is campaigning not only to legalize marijuana but also to root out institutional racism in our criminal justice system, outlaw private prisons, slash the prison population in half, end cash bail and hold police departments accountable.

Biden is opposing the Democrats’ push for Medicare for All, which would guarantee health care to all Americans and help address the disproportionately high maternal, infant and cancer mortality rates among African Americans. Sanders, on the other hand, is the longtime champion and author of that Medicare for All legislation.

Biden has refused to support Sanders’ bill to make public colleges and universities tuition free and cancel all student debt; this act alone would shrink the racial wealth gap between blacks and whites from 12-to-1 to 5-to-1. Sanders, meanwhile, is committed to closing that gap — and he believes as I do that this is one of the most pressing moral issues of our time.

All of these contrasts underscore the high stakes in this primary election.

By supporting a racial justice champion like Sanders — and his popular progressive agenda — black Americans will forge a multiracial, multigenerational working-class alliance that will generate the high turnout necessary to beat President Donald Trump.

In standing with Sanders over Biden, we will declare that we are not going backward — we are going forward into a future of empowerment and equality for all.

Nina Turner is a former Ohio state senator and the national co-chair of Vermont Sen. Bernie Sanders’ presidential campaign. Turner wrote this piece exclusively for The State newspaper.

 
How the fuck did guy get to be VP? :smh:

I hope to never again in my lifetime see black people fail to hold a candidate accountable as badly as we did with Barack Obama. Anything short of picking Strom Thurmond as his VP would have been fine with many and people would have come up with any possible excuse for it. Obama got a pass because he was the first. But those days are dead now.

The positive side is that if you look at the Booker and Harris campaigns, black America has loudly said that simply being black is not enough to get our support, that the question is what you are going to do for black people.

To be fair, it goes beyond racial loyalty because the options for black America have always been pretty shitty as far as backing a presidential candidate. Biden was a pretty conventional Democrat. But 12 years later, people are waking up to how terrible and totally lacking the Democratic party has been as a whole for black Americans. 10 years before Obama, "Crime Bill" Clinton was an honorary brother, the first black president. It's incredible how little it took to be a hero to black people in the past. Thankfully, standards are much higher now.
 
The positive side is that if you look at the Booker and Harris campaigns, black America has loudly said that simply being black is not enough to get our support, that the question is what you are going to do for black people.

It's incredible how little it took to be a hero to black people in the past. Thankfully, standards are much higher now.

:bravo:
 
I hope to never again in my lifetime see black people fail to hold a candidate accountable as badly as we did with Barack Obama. Anything short of picking Strom Thurmond as his VP would have been fine with many and people would have come up with any possible excuse for it. Obama got a pass because he was the first. But those days are dead now.

The positive side is that if you look at the Booker and Harris campaigns, black America has loudly said that simply being black is not enough to get our support, that the question is what you are going to do for black people.

To be fair, it goes beyond racial loyalty because the options for black America have always been pretty shitty as far as backing a presidential candidate. Biden was a pretty conventional Democrat. But 12 years later, people are waking up to how terrible and totally lacking the Democratic party has been as a whole for black Americans. 10 years before Obama, "Crime Bill" Clinton was an honorary brother, the first black president. It's incredible how little it took to be a hero to black people in the past. Thankfully, standards are much higher now.
It's done everyday. Just pick a majority black city/area and you'll see it.
 
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It amazes me that one Crackkka can start

a thread get so many people pumped up

on some CAC shit, it ain't even funny.

You disagree with me so I'm a crakkka? What would really be amazing is if you learned to construct a clear and complete sentence.

We're both anonymous but Nina Turner (the author of the article) isn't. You can't call her a crackkka. Are the Dream Defenders a bunch of crackers? Deal with the arguments and contribute knowledge instead of petty bullshit attacks... if you can.
 
You disagree with me so I'm a crakkka? What would really be amazing is if you learned to construct a clear and complete sentence.

We're both anonymous but Nina Turner (the author of the article) isn't. You can't call her a crackkka. Are the Dream Defenders a bunch of crackers? Deal with the arguments and contribute knowledge instead of petty bullshit attacks... if you can.
You can call her bias, since she is a hardcore Bernie supporter.
 
You can call her bias, since she is a hardcore Bernie supporter.

How is that bias? If she was Bernie's daughter or wife, that would be bias. She's a Sanders supporter because they have similar beliefs. You could dismiss any criticism of Trump from a Democrat by saying "That person is biased-- he's a Democrat."

One of the biggest misconceptions in politics is that anybody with an actual point of view is "biased." Truthfully, if you're an adult and coming into every debate tabula rasa, you'd have to be apathetic or an idiot. Everyone has a perspective and that's okay. True bias is somebody promoting a point of view because they stand to profit from it (like the politicians opposing health care for all because of pharmaceutical contributions) or close personal relations.
 
First what? African-American (African immigrant) President? Because he was not the first so-called black President of the United States, not even first 5.

You've said that to me before. I think it's a nutty assertion and I'm not interested in debating it. Even if it were true, if only 1% or less of the population believes it, it has no impact on black perception of Obama, which is what I was talking about.

Let's not get wildly off-topic here. Start another thread for that if you want.
 
How is that bias? If she was Bernie's daughter or wife, that would be bias. She's a Sanders supporter because they have similar beliefs. You could dismiss any criticism of Trump from a Democrat by saying "That person is biased-- he's a Democrat."

One of the biggest misconceptions in politics is that anybody with an actual point of view is "biased." Truthfully, if you're an adult and coming into every debate tabula rasa, you'd have to be apathetic or an idiot. Everyone has a perspective and that's okay. True bias is somebody promoting a point of view because they stand to profit from it (like the politicians opposing health care for all because of pharmaceutical contributions) or close personal relations.
So was Ms.Turner criticizing Biden before she became a Bernie supporter or after she became a Bernie supporter?
To say or imply a supporter (non family member) can not be bias is nonsense. She wants Bernie Sanders to win democratic nomination for president.That in of itself is a bias.
 
You disagree with me so I'm a crakkka? What would really be amazing is if you learned to construct a clear and complete sentence.

We're both anonymous but Nina Turner (the author of the article) isn't. You can't call her a crackkka. Are the Dream Defenders a bunch of crackers? Deal with the arguments and contribute knowledge instead of petty bullshit attacks... if you can.


You and xfagger are crackers or badly

disillusioned coons. Either way,

people like you and the rhetoric you

spew are poison to black voters and

democracy itself.

Foh.
 
So was Ms.Turner criticizing Biden before she became a Bernie supporter or after she became a Bernie supporter?
To say or imply a supporter can not be bias is nonsense. She wants Bernie Sanders to win democratic nomination for president.That in of itself is a bias.

What if she was not a Sanders supporter in 2014 before he ran for president but she had the same values as she does today? Then somebody comes along who speaks to the values she has always had. That makes her biased because she supports the person who reflects her values over the person who doesn't?

Am I biased because I support Sanders over Trump and would also support Biden over Trump if he is the nominee? To me, the fact that I don't want Trump to be president doesn't make me biased. I don't hate Trump because of a personal vendetta-- I hate him because he is a racist capitalist and that is the opposite of my values. And I support Sanders not because of any personal reason but because he best reflects my values. That's not bias, that's just decision-making.

I am positive that if Biden best reflected Nina Turner's values, she would support him. There is no reason to believe otherwise. So bias is not a factor.
 
You've said that to me before. I think it's a nutty assertion and I'm not interested in debating it. Even if it were true, if only 1% or less of the population believes it, it has no impact on black perception of Obama, which is what I was talking about.

Let's not get wildly off-topic here. Start another thread for that if you want.

assuming you are so-called black, it is history you need to know along with others. we continue to be lied to and those lies need to be uncovered and exposed.

race was not an issue and made up social construct by Caucasians in the 1600s

according to THEIR rules, Thomas Jefferson was the first so-called black man to become President of the United States.

Alexander Hamilton was also so-called black (along with King George III and Queen Charlotte - The British rulership during the American Revolution)

whites know this and throw it in our faces but because of the mass ignorance of our community, we don’t even see it.
 
What if she was not a Sanders supporter in 2014 before he ran for president but she had the same values as she does today? Then somebody comes along who speaks to the values she has always had. That makes her biased because she supports the person who reflects her values over the person who doesn't?

Am I biased because I support Sanders over Trump and would also support Biden over Trump if he is the nominee? To me, the fact that I don't want Trump to be president doesn't make me biased. I don't hate Trump because of a personal vendetta-- I hate him because he is a racist capitalist and that is the opposite of my values. And I support Sanders not because of any personal reason but because he best reflects my values. That's not bias, that's just decision-making.

I am positive that if Biden best reflected Nina Turner's values, she would support him. There is no reason to believe otherwise. So bias is not a factor.
Once again I ask was Ms. Turner critical of Biden before or after she became a Bernie supporter?
 
You and xfagger are crackers or badly

disillusioned coons. Either way,

people like you and the rhetoric you

spew are poison to black voters and

democracy itself.

Foh.

Thanks for admitting that you didn't know what the fuck you were talking about and that your accusations were totally baseless. It's too bad that all you choose to bring to this thread is personal attacks and that you can't or won't engage the substance of this thread. I don't have time for that kind of bullshit. Enjoy the rest of your day.
 
You and xfagger are crackers or badly

disillusioned coons. Either way,

people like you and the rhetoric you

spew are poison to black voters and

democracy itself.

Foh.

either you are an 8 year old child or an 80 year man with a failing memory that wears adult diapers to avoid shitting all over yourself.

that is the only excuse you have for the lack of intellect shown in your posts.
 
assuming you are so-called black, it is history you need to know along with others. we continue to be lied to and those lies need to be uncovered and exposed.

race was not an issue and made up social construct by Caucasians in the 1600s

according to THEIR rules, Thomas Jefferson was the first so-called black man to become President of the United States.

Alexander Hamilton was also so-called black (along with King George III and Queen Charlotte - The British rulership during the American Revolution)

whites know this and throw it in our faces but because of the mass ignorance of our community, we don’t even see it.

"Let's not get wildly off-topic here. Start another thread for that if you want."

You might as well have posted a pineapple upside down cake recipe. It's not what this thread is about and I have no interest in the conversation.

That's my final response to that.
 
Once again I ask was Ms. Turner critical of Biden before or after she became a Bernie supporter?

I never heard of her before then so I have no idea. Obviously, you don't either. So it would be pretty ignorant to accuse her of flip-flopping with no evidence to support that.
 
I never heard of her before then so I have no idea. Obviously, you don't either. So it would be pretty ignorant to accuse her of flip-flopping with no evidence to support that.
The answer is no she was not. In fact she once stated:

"...between Sen. Obama and Sen. Biden, who will understand the needs of urban areas, which is education, jobs, and safety. Senator Obama and Senator Biden are the personification of change."

What's pretty ignorant is that you didn't know whether she was or wasn't critical of Joe Biden before becoming a hardcore Bernie supporter.
 
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The answer is no she was not. In fact she once stated:

"...between Sen. Obama and Sen. Biden, who will understand the needs of urban areas, which is education, jobs, and safety. Senator Obama and Senator Biden are the personification of change."

What's pretty ignorant is that you did know whether she was or wasn't critical of Joe Biden before becoming a hardcore Bernie supporter.

Everybody's ignorant of something, man. I have no reason to have researched Nina Turner's past.

So she praised Biden in 2008. That does not mean that the only reason she criticizes him now is that she's in love with Bernie Sanders. I could quote a lot of things I said in 2008 that I don't believe anymore.

BTW, I was on this board in 2008 (using the name Costanza) and did a quick search for my old posts mentioning Biden, to see if I said anything hypocritical. In a thread I started called "Who do you respect in government," somebody posted in 2010 mentioning Biden. I replied:

Excluding Presidents and trying to stay close to my life time, I would pick these people plus a few more

Joe Biden
Robert Kennedy
Sherrod Brown
Tip O'Neil from back in the day
Dennis Kucinich


I used to like John McCain but I've found out he was a complete fraud. He's against whoever just beat him in the last election: when he lost to Bush, he was a moderate, he lost to Obama, he's a hard right conservative.
Why did you exclude presidents? Were there any you would cite?



What do you think of the Violent Crime Control and Law Enforcement Act, the largest crime bill in history authored by Biden? It had the Federal Assault Weapons Ban, which I favor, but it expanded the death penalty and eliminated the Higher Education Act of 1965 for inmate education, which I see as just vicious. Spending almost $10 billion to build new jails is a gallon of salt added to the chest wounds.

Not too many people were talking about the Crime Bill in 2010, much less citing it as a reason not to support Biden.

So while I can't account for everything Nina Turner has ever said, I was criticizing Biden during Obama's first term for things that were not often talked about until Black Lives Matter started. I wasn't a Bernie supporter then-- barely knew he existed. So I'm a good example of why it is simplistic to boil all criticism from anybody who supports another candidate down to bias. If Bernie Sanders did not exist, I would have problems with Biden and support someone else.
 
While Bernie Sanders has always stood up for African Americans, Joe Biden has repeatedly let us down
BY NINA TURNER
JANUARY 12, 2020

In choosing between the two Democratic Party candidates atop the polls, African American voters have a consequential decision to make:

Will our community side with former Vice President Joe Biden, who has repeatedly betrayed black voters to side with Republican lawmakers and undermine our progress? Or will we stand with Vermont Sen. Bernie Sanders and a movement that has been fighting for racial and economic justice since the civil rights era?

This critical choice is illustrated by the key differences between Biden and Sanders – which began at the beginning of their respective careers.

As a recent NBC News headline said of Biden’s time in the Senate: “Biden didn’t just compromise with segregationists. He fought for their cause.” The NBC report quoted the NAACP’s legal director saying that one Biden-backed measure “heaves a brick through the window of school integration.”

And Biden didn’t just vote for bills designed to prevent black students from accessing white schools: in a series of personal letters he actively courted pro-segregation senators to support the legislation.

Sanders, by contrast, began his work in politics by organizing civil rights protests. As a college student, he helped lead a local chapter of the Congress of Racial Equality in its push to desegregate housing. Sanders participated in the Rev. Martin Luther King Jr.’s March on Washington and was arrested for protesting rampant school segregation in Chicago. In addition, Sanders has been pushing an education plan that supports local efforts to combat racial segregation.

As a local elected official, Sanders also defied the political establishment by proudly endorsing Jesse Jackson’s 1988 presidential campaign; Sanders said that Jackson was a candidate “who has done more than any other candidate in living memory to bring together the disenfranchised.”


And the contrast between Biden and Sanders continued during the early 1990s.

Biden facilitated the public degradation of Anita Hill, an esteemed professor already victimized by a powerful man.

Biden also fought alongside right-wing Republicans to pass so-called “welfare reform” that reduced financial support for low-income families. Biden echoed former President Ronald Reagan’s dishonest “welfare queen” language and wrote a column conjuring an ugly stereotype of “welfare mothers driving luxury cars and leading lifestyles that mirror the rich and famous.”

In contrast, Sanders vigorously opposed these punitive cuts. “What welfare reform did, in my view,” Sanders said, “was to go after some of the weakest and most vulnerable people in this country.”

Similarly Biden worked with segregationist Republican Sen. Strom Thurmond to pass “tough on crime” legislation that targeted black communities with punitive criminal justice policies while promoting mass incarceration and harsh punishment for nonviolent crimes. At one point Biden declared that every “major crime bill since 1976 that’s come out of this Congress, every minor crime bill, has had the name of the Democratic senator from the state of Delaware — Joe Biden.”

One of the leading dissenters to Biden’s “tough on crime” agenda was Sanders, who Vox noted was “an early critic of mass incarceration and punitive criminal justice policies.”

The contrast between Biden and Sanders also extends to economic policies.

Biden has repeatedly worked with Republicans to try to slash Social Security even though “almost three-fourths of African American beneficiaries rely on Social Security for at least half their income,” according to the National Committee to Preserve Social Security and Medicare. Sanders, on the other hand, has fought to block those cuts and has proposed expanding Social Security.

Biden did the bidding of his credit card industry donors by helping Republican lawmakers make it more difficult for Americans to reduce their debts in bankruptcy court. At one point, Biden split with then-Sen. Barack Obama and almost every other Senate Democrat to help Republicans kill an amendment to protect medical debtors from predatory lenders.

Biden’s bankruptcy legislation passed in 2005 over the objection of Sanders; 12 years later ProPublica reported that “black people struggling with debts are far less likely than their white peers to gain lasting relief from bankruptcy.”

And today the differences between Biden and Sanders remain stark.

Biden opposes Democratic efforts to legalize marijuana. Sanders, on the other hand, is campaigning not only to legalize marijuana but also to root out institutional racism in our criminal justice system, outlaw private prisons, slash the prison population in half, end cash bail and hold police departments accountable.

Biden is opposing the Democrats’ push for Medicare for All, which would guarantee health care to all Americans and help address the disproportionately high maternal, infant and cancer mortality rates among African Americans. Sanders, on the other hand, is the longtime champion and author of that Medicare for All legislation.

Biden has refused to support Sanders’ bill to make public colleges and universities tuition free and cancel all student debt; this act alone would shrink the racial wealth gap between blacks and whites from 12-to-1 to 5-to-1. Sanders, meanwhile, is committed to closing that gap — and he believes as I do that this is one of the most pressing moral issues of our time.

All of these contrasts underscore the high stakes in this primary election.

By supporting a racial justice champion like Sanders — and his popular progressive agenda — black Americans will forge a multiracial, multigenerational working-class alliance that will generate the high turnout necessary to beat President Donald Trump.

In standing with Sanders over Biden, we will declare that we are not going backward — we are going forward into a future of empowerment and equality for all.

Nina Turner is a former Ohio state senator and the national co-chair of Vermont Sen. Bernie Sanders’ presidential campaign. Turner wrote this piece exclusively for The State newspaper.

Niggaahz are so predictability stupid :roflmao:
 
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