"While Bernie Sanders has always stood up for African Americans, Joe Biden has repeatedly let us down"

[BKF]

Everybody's ignorant of something, man. I have no reason to have researched Nina Turner's past.

So she praised Biden in 2008. That does not mean that the only reason she criticizes him now is that she's in love with Bernie Sanders. I could quote a lot of things I said in 2008 that I don't believe anymore.

BTW, I was on this board in 2008 (using the name Costanza) and did a quick search for my old posts mentioning Biden, to see if I said anything hypocritical. In a thread I started called "Who do you respect in government," somebody posted in 2010 mentioning Biden. I replied:



Not too many people were talking about the Crime Bill in 2010, much less citing it as a reason not to support Biden.

So while I can't account for everything Nina Turner has ever said, I was criticizing Biden during Obama's first term for things that were not often talked about until Black Lives Matter started. I wasn't a Bernie supporter then-- barely knew he existed. So I'm a good example of why it is simplistic to boil all criticism from anybody who supports another candidate down to bias.

All your doing is providing excuses for Ms. Turners bias. Ms. Turner stands to gain something if Bernie not only wins the democratic nomination but the presidency itself.
Prior to being a hardcore Bernie supporter (and standing to gain something from Bernie) she didn't have much to say about Biden. After becoming a hardcore Bernie supporter and Biden entering the race. She's now critical of him all of a sudden. Yet you see no bias

Btw I can tell you when people on this board were calling for Biden to run the first time around. I was informing people on this board that Biden was the architect of the crime bill.
Guess what? Nobody gave a fuck but now I'm sure many of those posters who didn't, now do. Funny how that works.

 

[Rembrandt Brown]

All your doing is providing excuses for Ms. Turners bias. Ms. Turner stand to gain something if Bernie not only wins the democratic nomination but the presidency itself.
Prior to being being a hardcore Bernie supporter (and stand to gain something) she didn't have much to say about Biden. After becoming a hardcore Bernie supporter and Biden entering the race. She's now critical of him all if a sudden. Yet you see no bias

Btw I can tell when people on this board were calling for Biden to run the first time around. I was informing peopke on this board that Biden was the architect of the crime bill.
Guess what? Nobody gave a fuck but jiw I sure many of those posters who didn't, now do. Funny how that works.

I support Bernie Sanders and I co-sign everything Nina Turner said. Am I only co-signing attacks on Biden because I'm biased?

 

[Autobot8655]

elections are going to be a shit show this year...

Going to be a lot of people crying in their cars come the beginning of November......

 

[BKF]

I support Bernie Sanders and I co-sign everything Nina Turner said. Am I only co-signing attacks on Biden because I'm biased?

Keep twisting until you break yourself but the facts will still remain. Ms. Turner was quiet all those years about Biden and now she's critical of him because she stands to gain something of value for herself.

 

[kain]

Trump to black voters:

 

[Rembrandt Brown]

Keep twisting until you break yourself but the facts will still remain. Ms. Turner was quiet all those years about Biden and now she's critical of him because she stands to gain something of value for herself.

I don't have anything to gain personally. You're dodging the question because your definition of bias doesn't hold up.

I've already conceded that I don't know anything about Turner prior to 2015 so I can't speak to whether or not she ever criticized Biden before then. But we don't have to fixate on her to prove your statement true or false. This entire conversation started with you saying "You can call her bias, since she is a hardcore Bernie supporter."

Are you interested in having an honest conversation or just winning an argument? Because I'm a hardcore Bernie supporter and I took the time to produce an anti-Biden statement I made TEN YEARS AGO on this very board. So obviously simply being a hardcore Bernie supporter doesn't make me biased and isn't the only reason I'm against Biden. It disproves your claim that criticism from hardcore Bernie supporters is only a product of their hardcore Bernie support.

 

[xfactor]

Trump to black voters:

yet Trump has tried to meet more with the so-called black community (even if for photo ops) more than Obama ever did.

if the post I quoted isn’t an example of Russian bot activity, I don’t know what is

 

[BKF]

I don't have anything to gain personally. You're dodging the question because your definition of bias doesn't hold up.

I've already conceded that I don't know anything about Turner prior to 2015 so I can't speak to whether or not she ever criticized Biden before then. But we don't have to fixate on her to prove your statement true or false. This entire conversation started with you saying "You can call her bias, since she is a hardcore Bernie supporter."

Are you interested in having an honest conversation or just winning an argument? Because I'm a hardcore Bernie supporter and I took the time to produce an anti-Biden statement I made TEN YEARS AGO on this very board. So obviously simply being a hardcore Bernie supporter doesn't make me biased and isn't the only reason I'm against Biden. It disproves your claim that criticism from hardcore Bernie supporters is only a product of their hardcore Bernie support.

I've already answered your question. You just refuse to accept the answer.
You're the one too busy trying to win the argument but you're failing to disprove what I've stated.
Trying to stear the discussion of bias onto yourself is a dishonest conversation. You are not in Ms. Turner's position to gain something of value as she is. You were not in Ms. Turner's position to be highly critical of Joe Biden (vs praising him).

 

[Rembrandt Brown]

I've already answered your question. You just refuse to accept the answer.
You're the one too busy trying to win the argument but you're failing to disprove what I've stated.
Trying to stear the discussion of bias onto yourself is a dishonest conversation. You are not in Ms. Turner's position to gain something of value as she will. You were not in Ms. Turner's position to be highly critical of Joe Biden (vs praising him).

She backed Sanders in 2015 when he was a huge underdog, so I don't think it makes sense to portray her as cynically backing him only out of self-interest.

But all I'm doing now is shifting the conversation to a better example. You showed Turner praised Biden in 2008. I don't know what she said about him between then and 2016. But I do know what I said. And I was critical of Biden before Sanders ever ran, I'm critical of him today and I'm also a hardcore Bernie supporter. So it is simply false to claim that anyone who is a Bernie supporter who criticizes Biden is only doing so out of bias. You can't dismiss her criticism simply for being a Sanders supporter-- as you did in your initial post-- because I have shown you an example of a Sanders supporter who was and would be critical Biden even if Bernie never existed. This shit is not just being conjured up to support Bernie; the criticisms stand of their own merit.

 

[ballscout1]

Oh right. That one too. Who was then?

The same corporate crakkas that were running it before 2008 and who are still running it.

Since AG is not cabinet name any year from 2008-2016 that there was more than one black cabinet member

 

[forcesteeler]

 

[ballscout1]

History Can't Be forgotten

 

[ballscout1]

Joe Biden Promises Rich Donors He Won’t ‘Demonize’ The Wealthy If Elected President
“No one’s standard of living will change, nothing would fundamentally change,” the former vice president said at a New York fundraiser on Tuesday.

Joe Biden Promises Rich Donors He Won't 'Demonize' The Wealthy If Elected President

"No one’s standard of living will change, nothing would fundamentally change,” the former vice president said at a New York fundraiser on Tuesday.

www.huffpost.com

 

[BlackRob]

Joe Biden Promises Rich Donors He Won’t ‘Demonize’ The Wealthy If Elected President
“No one’s standard of living will change, nothing would fundamentally change,” the former vice president said at a New York fundraiser on Tuesday.

Joe Biden Promises Rich Donors He Won't 'Demonize' The Wealthy If Elected President

"No one’s standard of living will change, nothing would fundamentally change,” the former vice president said at a New York fundraiser on Tuesday.

www.huffpost.com

Interesting. Not to derail the thread but, it was months ago that Biden said he'll reverse the $1.5 Trillion Trump Tax Cuts.
But that was before Biden discovered he wasnt making enough in donations and needed these rich donors.

Sooo..with the article above. And promises nothing will change. That leads the question.

 

[zod16]

I am not really feeling any of the Democrats at all but any of them would be 1000x better than what we have now. Vote this November and remember that not voting or voting for someone who doesn't have a chance to win is voting for Trump.

 

[exiledking]

The same corporate crakkas that were running it before 2008 and who are still running it.

Since AG is not cabinet name any year from 2008-2016 that there was more than one black cabinet member

Who are they?

 

[exiledking]

Go ahead and inform us, ole wise one.

I asked a question cuz I dunno.

 

[gene cisco]

I hope to never again in my lifetime see black people fail to hold a candidate accountable as badly as we did with Barack Obama. Anything short of picking Strom Thurmond as his VP would have been fine with many and people would have come up with any possible excuse for it. Obama got a pass because he was the first. But those days are dead now.

The positive side is that if you look at the Booker and Harris campaigns, black America has loudly said that simply being black is not enough to get our support, that the question is what you are going to do for black people.

To be fair, it goes beyond racial loyalty because the options for black America have always been pretty shitty as far as backing a presidential candidate. Biden was a pretty conventional Democrat. But 12 years later, people are waking up to how terrible and totally lacking the Democratic party has been as a whole for black Americans. 10 years before Obama, "Crime Bill" Clinton was an honorary brother, the first black president. It's incredible how little it took to be a hero to black people in the past. Thankfully, standards are much higher now.

I'm not as confident as you are about accountability. It's damn near a civil war on BGOL over accountability and the black community getting something direct for voting. Seems like the community in general ain't that far off from BGOL. Kamala was just so fake and Booker is Booker. I fear that another black candidate with charisma could pull down the black communities pants and go to town. Shit, let's see how Biden does with black voters in SC.

If you noticed, the shit always goes back to 'republicans are worse.' This time the shills got the Trump boogeyman to fight the increased awareness by SOME in the black community that we been getting finessed for decades. Yeah our options are limited on the national level, but even on the local level shit is ugly and local politics is flooded with black candidates. On what level do black voters demand any respect?

I know you and I go back and forth, but at least we tend to put together fucking arguments before clowning each other. When you bring up anything attached to Obama or holding politicians accountable, it's usually just attacks. Lucky to get a coherent discussion.

The good news is that history will be on the side of those critical of Obama and Biden. Future black folks will look back and wonder what the fuck people were smoking during that time just like we look back at the 90s like

The black guy picked him, remember ?

Now either Obama is stupid, loves racist, or this whole convo is stupid anyway. You pick

Sure isn't that the convo is stupid. Just shows how black voters seems to be the easiest demographic to manipulate.

It's done everyday. Just pick a majority black city/area and you'll see it.

Basically. A disturbing pattern. On the local level, we're talking places that have been run by democrats for years. Glad to see they got rid of the plastic bags in Baltimore. So much win for the black community.

 

[gene cisco]

You forgot Obama was a figurehead who wasn't running shit.

Do you think if Obama was actually running shit his cabinet would have stayed 98% white for 8 years ?

To me, it's not so much about race to me as it is getting shit done. But if your stats are true(haven't even looked), why wasn't a big deal made out of it?

 

[shaddyvillethug]

Xfactor and KingTarah vs gene Cisco and Costanza vs Drayonis and Big Tex vs ExiledKing and Ball scout

divide and Conquer

 

[gene cisco]

Xfactor and KingTarah vs gene Cisco and Costanza vs Drayonis and Big Tex vs ExiledKing and Ball scout

divide and Conquer

Yo, white folks got democrats, republicans, and independents fighting like dogs. Revolutionary war. Civil war. Started 2 world wars. Almost blew the globe up with the cold war. Never do they worry about divide and conquer. Just their white side winning. The wrong white side can kick rocks.

 

[shaddyvillethug]

Yo, white folks got democrats, republicans, and independents fighting like dogs. Revolutionary war. Civil war. Started 2 world wars. Almost blew the globe up with the cold war. Never do they worry about divide and conquer. Just their white side winning. The wrong white side can kick rocks.

FBA vs ADOS vs liberals Vs Democrats Vs Black Conservatives

I feel what u saying but anytime A Group disagrees with another u get called names as a sell out or a coon

 

[Amajorfucup]

I feel what u saying but anytime A Group disagrees with another u get called names as a sell out or a coon

Some of these niggas are definitely sell outs and coons tho.

 

[largebillsonlyplease]

None of this shit really matters right now.
None of them actually care about black people
Just some of the policies will help us out and that's OK
Regardless of who wins we need to vote Trump out

Only person who downright is worse is Pete
He's being shielded because he's gay but he's not a democrat he's a republican It's just that the republican core has moved so far back it makes him look progressive when he isn't

And only a white dude could think he could go from MAYOR to president lol

Well, shit a TV host went from Mayor to president with no experience so why not?

 

[jasonblacc]

First what? African-American (African immigrant) President? Because he was not the first so-called black President of the United States, not even first 5.

Please tell the 5 before him, please

 

[Rembrandt Brown]

Only person who downright is worse is Pete
He's being shielded because he's gay but he's not a democrat he's a republican It's just that the republican core has moved so far back it makes him look progressive when he isn't

I despise Pete but I think his policy agenda is actually more progressive than Biden's. I can't swear to it but they are pretty similar. Neither is a Republican but neither is acceptable by 2020 Democratic standards.

 

[largebillsonlyplease]

I despise Pete but I think his policy agenda is actually more progressive than Biden's. I can't swear to it but they are pretty similar. Neither is a Republican but neither is acceptable by 2020 Democratic standards.

Biden is a snake oil salesman.
He's only in the race cause he attaches his name to Obama
Everyone is a mess.
The best candidates aren't white men so they had to drop out
Kamala was better
Julian was infinitely better
Somehow Yang is still in the race
that's why it don't matter.
Cause whoever wins gotta vote for them to get the idiot out of there.

 

[largebillsonlyplease]

Please tell the 5 before him, please

I know Abraham was 1 for sure he was passing
outside of that nah

 

[shaddyvillethug]

Hella presidents had black kids

 

[KingTaharqa]

Please tell the 5 before him, please

African heritage of presidents of the United States - Wikipedia

en.m.wikipedia.org

 

[exiledking]

Xfactor and KingTarah vs gene Cisco and Costanza vs Drayonis and Big Tex vs ExiledKing and Ball scout

divide and Conquer

I dunno enough about any of this to be vs anything

 

[gene cisco]

Biden is a snake oil salesman.
He's only in the race cause he attaches his name to Obama
Everyone is a mess.
The best candidates aren't white men so they had to drop out
Kamala was better
Julian was infinitely better
Somehow Yang is still in the race
that's why it don't matter.
Cause whoever wins gotta vote for them to get the idiot out of there.

Kamala Biden level bad. Her record as a prosecutor and flip flopping on weed over the age of 50 show her true colors. She so damn fake. If it wasn't for the rise of Trump and all the mania that followed it, a lot of these democrats would be easier to expose.

Right now they are only viable as 'get trump out' candidates. 4 fucking years of finding a superstar candidate pissed away.

Yang the only one worth a damn. Compared to these others, it's like he's from the future. And if America allows Biden to be the nominee, they deserve Trump.

 

[xfactor]

I already posted the first in this thread but did not want to derail as I’m no longer with the shit (going back and forth) with posters that actually want to look for solutions.

there are 3 more and people will say “well they didn’t do anything for so-called black people”

same as Obama. In 100 years, they’ll say he was the 2nd (or 1st if you continue to ignore Jackie Kennedy, whose father has half black like Obama) with a so-called black wife)

@jasonblacc if you want a history lesson, there needs to be a thread started for it.

I know Abraham was 1 for sure he was passing
outside of that nah

 

[xfactor]

the key to this post is to follow-up with the research of the information that was written at that point in time and not the narrative and propaganda that goes on today.

history is re-written and destroyed right in front of our faces so why would people not expect it to happen over time to fit the agenda of those in power?

great post, @KingTaharqa.

speaking of Jefferson, when has any white man been called a “half injun, half nigg[a], son of a mullato]” and been 100% white? People will say “Jefferson owned slaves?!” But there were several so-called black and African slave owners in America during that time. Owning both so-called black AND white slaves.

Want another bombshell on historical figures that were also so-called black? William Shakespeare.

African heritage of presidents of the United States - Wikipedia

en.m.wikipedia.org

 

[shaddyvillethug]

I’ll vote for Yang only.