which death from The Wire affected you the most?

When I was readin his arguments, I noticed that mike's stick up partner seemed to be the linchpin for his argument. I thought that it had something to do w/ him bein light skinned but I wanted to ask him to be sure. sure enough, I was right. When it came to gayness, the wire never pulled punches. Even when it came to hints, they hit you over the head with it (think rawlins). Mike became like Omar. He didn't become omar.

His train of thought opens another can of worms about how light skinned males are more easier assumed to be weak, soft, gay, etc. But that's another thread entirely.

right he keeps saying what was presented
but nothing that was presented suggests what he claims

cause dude is light skinned?
this stuff just reveals his own issues and hang ups
talking about we don't see it. no we don't see it cause it's not there.

you see it cause of your own hang ups and issues.


1st it was cause he was molested...so everyone molested turns gay then

then it was because he wasn't convinced the girl mike was fucking was a girl....though it was confirmed when it originally aired and now

then it was because he was a stick up kid... cause i guess all stick up kids were gay

then it was because the dude he was with was light skinned :confused::confused::confused::confused:

none of the shit he said made any sense
and only someone trying to REACH for some shit could see it that way

he's in denial about it too turning to the we don't want to see it, we're not impartial, we're not going with what's been presented (though we are, he's not) argument
then goes into the well yall don't agree let's change the subject
rarely if ever does someone come with a wire theory that just simply has no basis...and everyone but the person who brought it up disagrees with it
 
right he keeps saying what was presented
but nothing that was presented suggests what he claims

cause dude is light skinned?
this stuff just reveals his own issues and hang ups
talking about we don't see it. no we don't see it cause it's not there.

you see it cause of your own hang ups and issues.


1st it was cause he was molested...so everyone molested turns gay then

then it was because he wasn't convinced the girl mike was fucking was a girl....though it was confirmed when it originally aired and now

then it was because he was a stick up kid... cause i guess all stick up kids were gay

then it was because the dude he was with was light skinned :confused::confused::confused::confused:

none of the shit he said made any sense
and only someone trying to REACH for some shit could see it that way

he's in denial about it too turning to the we don't want to see it, we're not impartial, we're not going with what's been presented (though we are, he's not) argument
then goes into the well yall don't agree let's change the subject
rarely if ever does someone come with a wire theory that just simply has no basis...and everyone but the person who brought it up disagrees with it

Zactly. I wouldn't have had a problem with mike comin out of the closet in the end...if the writers were droppin hints and building it up from season four. If you watch the show for what it is, mike never ever displayed any abnormal behavior towards his male peers, you never saw him lookin at one of his boys like they were lunch. He had some deep seated trust issues with older black men; which made sense cuz he was molested by one. He fucked a chick in his apt. (I think it was the one that brought dookie's clothes for him hence dookie looking crushed when he spies mike gettin some). Shit, they were hollerin at those snow bunnies @ the theme park.
 
i like the way snoop went out like a champ.

she didn't whimper.
:yes:

Snoop - "How my head look?"

Mike - "You look good, girl"

"POP"

... that shit was cold as fuck.


i know someone had to drop that, but i couldn't read all those pages before replying to that quote:cool:
 
look, y'all wont agree withe me on this, and that's fine.

but what i find it funny that y'all KNOW that Mike replaces Omar, but wont even acknowledge the POSSIBILITY that i'm right.

none of what ive presented is UNTRUE, you all are just processing it differently.

the MOST you can say is that it can go either way from whats presented, but you cant HONESTLY say i'm off, based on what i've shown.

y'all are probably the same types to say Luther Vandross wasn't gay.

you are taking the replace thing too far. these cats arent clones.

also, like its been pointed out, they were very blunt with the subject of homosexuality on the show.

kima
snoop
omar and his boys
rawls

so for you to make all these assumptions and act like they are hard facts doesnt even make sense. maybe you watched the show too fast bruh.
 
damn this shit is awfully important to you all.

i would think you all would just dismiss my opinion...but you all are fighitng it tooth and nail.

look, if Mike was JUST a stick up kid, why did they make SURE to include a pretty boy partner?

he's Omar. the only thing left for Omar to do was eat some honey nut cheerios.
 
Alt hough the writers wanted to show the cycle of poverty, I don't believe everything was going to bean exact copy. Mike isn't gay, stop trying to think so linear.
 
damn this shit is awfully important to you all.

i would think you all would just dismiss my opinion...but you all are fighitng it tooth and nail.

look, if Mike was JUST a stick up kid, why did they make SURE to include a pretty boy partner?

he's Omar. the only thing left for Omar to do was eat some honey nut cheerios.

Again, mike can be considered a light skinned pretty boy also, so that point is neutralized. Unless you're saying that "black ogly dudes" can't be gay, in which that case, WTF was Omar than?:confused:
 


I could see if Mike said to the other boy something like "let's go baby", but I don't see how you could get that he will eventually become gay from this scene. All you see is he's becoming a stick-up boy like Omar.

He had a boy with him but it ain't like he can go around robbing drug dealers and bosses by himself. It wasn't no little girls in the streets with the hoppers so it's not like he could've got a female partner to rob with him like Kimmy, Snoop and Tasha.

Just because he's the next Omar doesn't mean he has to be a carbon copy. Dukie's the new Bubbles but Dukie didn't have a sister he stole from and could live with when he hits rock bottom. Bubbles had a job before becoming a dope fiend, Dukie never had a job. If Michael can be the next Omar even though he's a big brother and not a little brother like Omar was, it's not impossible that Michael could become "the next Omar, but not gay" since there's no evidence that he will be gay but there's evidence that he's not gay.

 
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I could see if Mike said to the other boy something like "let's go baby", but I don't see how you could get that he will eventually become gay from this scene. All you see is he's becoming a stick-up boy like Omar.

He had a boy with him but it ain't like he can go around robbing drug dealers and bosses by himself. It wasn't no little girls in the streets with the hoppers so it's not like he could've got a female partner to rob with him like Kimmy, Snoop and Tasha.

Just because he's the next Omar doesn't mean he has to be a carbon copy. Dukie's the new Bubbles but Dukie didn't have a sister he stole from and could live with when he hits rock bottom. Bubbles had a job before becoming a dope fiend, Dukie never had a job. So it's not impossible that Michael could become "the new Omar, but not gay" since there's no evidence that he will be gay but there's evidence that he's not gay.


scroll up. dudes reasoning is that since his stick up partner is light skinned, then that means he's gay.
 
damn this shit is awfully important to you all.

i would think you all would just dismiss my opinion...but you all are fighitng it tooth and nail.

look, if Mike was JUST a stick up kid, why did they make SURE to include a pretty boy partner?

he's Omar. the only thing left for Omar to do was eat some honey nut cheerios.

just fucking wit cha BUCK

everyone entitled to there opinion

but if anything i think Mike was more homophobic

After this debate i went back and watched a few of mikes clips to try to understand your angle but i dont see it and im just going to leave it at that my brother.
 
damn this shit is awfully important to you all.

i would think you all would just dismiss my opinion...but you all are fighitng it tooth and nail.

look, if Mike was JUST a stick up kid, why did they make SURE to include a pretty boy partner?

he's Omar. the only thing left for Omar to do was eat some honey nut cheerios.

:lol::lol:
the only person paying attention to the partner was you

he looked like a regular kid to me like mike

and don't try that its important to us and u dont care crap
cause u care otherwise you wouldn't respond once to any of it

you're just wrong on this
and it happens.
that's ok
 
damn this shit is awfully important to you all.

i would think you all would just dismiss my opinion...but you all are fighitng it tooth and nail.

look, if Mike was JUST a stick up kid, why did they make SURE to include a pretty boy partner?

he's Omar. the only thing left for Omar to do was eat some honey nut cheerios.

Only YOU viewed that kid as a pretty boy partner, did we see Michael hold hands with him (or any other guy) kiss him (or any other guy) or try to hollar @ him (or any other guy)?

No.

Omar CHOSE to become a stick-up kid, the prequel clip shows us his brother got him into the business, meanwhile Michael became a stick-up kid because he was on the run.



We know from how EVERY OTHER CHARACTER was written on the show that if Michael was gay it would have been implied and shown long before that last episode, also in going with what YOU yourself said earlier what more display of "hyper-masculinity" would you need to see than him taking the virginity of a girl ("Are you sure that you want to do this...I don't want to hurt you!") that his friend likes???



Why show him @ Six Flags picking up chicks?


Your answers only talk about implied stuff while everyone else's answers are tangible scenes and dialogue from the show.

Last note: Your own feelings are definitely being shown here, Omar's character being gay is precisely why his character was one of the best in TV history, because NO ONE would expect that kind of behavior from someone who was gay, did you not also see and understand the psychological blow he was dealing to Avon, Stringer and Marlo, not only was he robbing them but the fact that it was A GAY guy robbing them made it a THOUSAND TIMES WORSE!!!

This is YOUR quote!


Originally Posted by BigDaddyBuk
you're dismissing the unpalatable shit from the story.

all i'm doing is seeing what's presented.

the ONE THING that all of us hate about Omar was his WILD FAGGOTRY.

take that away and you have maybe the greatest Black outlaw ever created in fiction.


we all hate it, but they made it amazingly clear that he was gay, no doubt about it. they TOLD you he was gay, told you HOW he got turned out, showed him kissing dudes, hugged up with them, etc.

You've got it backwards bruh, it in fact WAS his faggotry that made him one of the greatest Black outlaws in fiction.

Oh, and P.S., Prop Joe (thru the Co-op) ordered the full scale retaliation hits on the dealers from NY.
 
:lol::lol:
the only person paying attention to the partner was you

he looked like a regular kid to me like mike

and don't try that its important to us and u dont care crap
cause u care otherwise you wouldn't respond once to any of it

you're just wrong on this
and it happens.
that's ok

dude..you act like YOUR manhood is in question.

why are you so emotional about this?

why cant you just let it go?

this show presents Mike as the new Omar right down to his partner.

you dont agree? fine. but you're acting like he's YOU.

again...how bout we agree to disagree and get back to the original question at hand?
 
damn this shit is awfully important to you all.

i would think you all would just dismiss my opinion...but you all are fighitng it tooth and nail.

look, if Mike was JUST a stick up kid, why did they make SURE to include a pretty boy partner?

he's Omar. the only thing left for Omar to do was eat some honey nut cheerios.

So you think dude with Mike is pretty???? :smh::smh::smh:
 
How the hell did we end up here :confused:

:smh: @ "pretty boy partner" Did you think Stringer was fine? Cause I sure did :lol: :hmm:

There's absolutely no reason to believe Mike is gay,period.

anyhoo... deaths that affected me the most -

Wallace- he was just a baby
security guard, delivery lady, kid that got hit by a stray- all innocent victims
Bodie-just always like him
 
How the hell did we end up here :confused:

:smh: @ "pretty boy partner" Did you think Stringer was fine? Cause I sure did :lol: :hmm:

There's absolutely no reason to believe Mike is gay,period.

anyhoo... deaths that affected me the most -

Wallace- he was just a baby
security guard, delivery lady, kid that got hit by a stray- all innocent victims
Bodie-just always like him


yo iz them yo tits in that pic.....
 
wow...y'all are amazing.

:lol:

the wire presents Mike as the new Omar, all the way down to the pretty boy sidekick.

if you cant see that its only cause you dont want to.

as for me finding males attractive let me break this down to you:

all men know when another man is "good looking".

we just dont attribute sexual desire to it, most of the time we see them as rivals, competing for women...or if you are inclined as other wolves to run with in a pack.

so yeah, i know a pretty boy when i see one. and so did Omar...cause he had a thing for light skinned brothers.

and i dont agree witht he cat who said Omar's gayness is waht made him stand out. :confused:

that shit was HIGHLY annoying.
 
dude..you act like YOUR manhood is in question.

why are you so emotional about this?

why cant you just let it go?

this show presents Mike as the new Omar right down to his partner.

you dont agree? fine. but you're acting like he's YOU.

again...how bout we agree to disagree and get back to the original question at hand?

no i really don't
i act like what you say makes no sense
and you're the only one who doesn't see it apparently
so you can go ahead and keep believing wrongly
its not just me saying you're wrong
its the show saying you're wrong
and im not acting like he's me it irks me when people say wrong shit and try to act like its right
which is what you're doing

his partner?:lol:

you got issues man
 
yo buk... you need to stop posting for real fam ...this is not a good look .... worst part is these dudes been giving you outs to back out but you keep putting your foot back in your mouth
 


I could see if Mike said to the other boy something like "let's go baby", but I don't see how you could get that he will eventually become gay from this scene. All you see is he's becoming a stick-up boy like Omar.

He had a boy with him but it ain't like he can go around robbing drug dealers and bosses by himself. It wasn't no little girls in the streets with the hoppers so it's not like he could've got a female partner to rob with him like Kimmy, Snoop and Tasha.

Just because he's the next Omar doesn't mean he has to be a carbon copy. Dukie's the new Bubbles but Dukie didn't have a sister he stole from and could live with when he hits rock bottom. Bubbles had a job before becoming a dope fiend, Dukie never had a job. If Michael can be the next Omar even though he's a big brother and not a little brother like Omar was, it's not impossible that Michael could become "the next Omar, but not gay" since there's no evidence that he will be gay but there's evidence that he's not gay.



I think what people are trying to say. Is that since Micheal was molested by his father, he will eventually become gay like Omar. I dont know how you guys missed that from the writers. Im pretty sure the back story to Omar being gay was him being turned out by old niggas in juve lock up. Its just the game repeating it self.
 
wow...y'all are amazing.

:lol:

the wire presents Mike as the new Omar, all the way down to the pretty boy sidekick.

if you cant see that its only cause you dont want to.

as for me finding males attractive let me break this down to you:

all men know when another man is "good looking".

we just dont attribute sexual desire to it, most of the time we see them as rivals, competing for women...or if you are inclined as other wolves to run with in a pack.

so yeah, i know a pretty boy when i see one. and so did Omar...cause he had a thing for light skinned brothers.

and i dont agree witht he cat who said Omar's gayness is waht made him stand out. :confused:

that shit was HIGHLY annoying.

I'm rolling with Buk on this one, firstly Mike's main character flaw is that he is afraid of Molesters/Homosexuals. For a kid that became so murderous why was it so hard for him to kill Bugs father himself? The kid had deep rooted homosexual/Molestation conflicts, we all can't deny that. The writers put it out there for all of us to see. They then leave us hanging with the impression that Mike embodies Omar after Omar's death & we all agree about that.
Why not have Mike come in and rob the rim store alone? Why was Mike sounding just like Omar when he spoke to Vinson? Why was Dukie looking like a jealous bitch while Mike smashed the chick? It's all there in front of us not too sure why y'all denying it.
 
I think what people are trying to say. Is that since Micheal was molested by his father, he will eventually become gay like Omar. I dont know how you guys missed that from the writers. Im pretty sure the back story to Omar being gay was him being turned out by old niggas in juve lock up. Its just the game repeating it self.

:smh::smh:
the writers didn't write that though :lol:

they showed him turning into a stick up kid
and going by what he was into..it was reasonable to believe that mike would be straight.

so his fascination with hollering at snow bunnies
and fucking girls in his class would just end?

he'd just turn gay cause he got molested?
:smh::smh:
 
this show presents Mike as the new Omar right down to his partner.

you dont agree? fine. but you're acting like he's YOU.

again...how bout we agree to disagree and get back to the original question at hand?

I don't get it he had a partner so he's gay? Nigga he's a stickup kid, he needs a fnckin partner... :confused: plus he's a Y.G. at that....

Shit Omar's bfs kept gettin bodied left and right, but he still was sticking shit up dolo.... That definitely didn't make him any less of a fruitcup

wow...y'all are amazing.

:lol:

the wire presents Mike as the new Omar, all the way down to the pretty boy sidekick.

if you cant see that its only cause you dont want to.

as for me finding males attractive let me break this down to you:

all men know when another man is "good looking".

we just dont attribute sexual desire to it, most of the time we see them as rivals, competing for women...or if you are inclined as other wolves to run with in a pack.

so yeah, i know a pretty boy when i see one. and so did Omar...cause he had a thing for light skinned brothers.

and i dont agree witht he cat who said Omar's gayness is waht made him stand out. :confused:

that shit was HIGHLY annoying.

uh oh

:hmm::hmm::hmm::hmm::hmm::hmm::hmm::hmm::hmm::hmm::hmm::hmm::hmm:
:lol: just fuckin withcha dog

but on the real, just cuz a girl gets molested doesn't mean she'll turn into a dyke or slut, just cuz a dude gets molested doesn't mean he'll turn into a homo or molester. Increases the chances, but look at Chris all we knew of him was he was a killer. Never said whether he was gay or whether he was on the down low, so the picture I got of Mike was he was somewhere in between Chris and Omar, he was either going to go on to be a serial stickup kid or a hired gun. Didn't picture him as gay, just that he was lost to the streetlife....
 
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I think what people are trying to say. Is that since Micheal was molested by his father, he will eventually become gay like Omar. I dont know how you guys missed that from the writers. Im pretty sure the back story to Omar being gay was him being turned out by old niggas in juve lock up. Its just the game repeating it self.

Nobody's ignoring that. It's just that a boy being molested as a child doesn't always turn the child into a homosexual. There's stories of dudes who were molested who ended up living normal lifestyles. It is true that victims could possibly end up becoming molesters themselves, but Mike went above and beyond to make sure Bug didn't get molested by his dad too.

Michael didn't trust any man, questioned every dude's sexuality, wouldn't even look them in the eye and to see him go from that along with showing interest in girls to becoming a homosexual just doesn't make sense to me.

The thought of what Bug's dad did to him haunted him - haunted him enough for him to want him dead. Being with a dude would just remind him of what Bug's dad did to him, why would he want to re-live that if it caused him to be so depressed - and so happy when he was killed?
 
Some of these arguments are showing a rather conservative and maybe outdated view of child molestation, the effects of it and ultimately homosexuality.
 
I don't get it he had a partner so he's gay? Nigga he's a stickup kid, he needs a fnckin partner... :confused: plus he's a Y.G. at that....

Shit Omar's bfs kept gettin bodied left and right, but he still was sticking shit up dolo.... That definitely didn't make him any less of a fruitcup



uh oh

:hmm::hmm::hmm::hmm::hmm::hmm::hmm::hmm::hmm::hmm::hmm::hmm::hmm:
:lol: just fuckin withcha dog

but on the real, just cuz a girl gets molested doesn't mean she'll turn into a dyke or slut, just cuz a dude gets molested doesn't mean he'll turn into a homo or molester. Increases the chances, but look at Chris all we knew of him was he was a killer. Never said whether he was gay or whether he was on the down low, so the picture I got of Mike was he was somewhere in between Chris and Omar, he was either going to go on to be a serial stickup kid or a hired gun. Didn't picture him as gay, just that he was lost to the streetlife....


Damn you niggas dont follow the writing do you. You dont remember Chris beating the shit out of Micheal's father. He made that shit personal for a reason. It was obvious Chris was paying him back for what some niggas did to him. Micheal didnt trust one single man except for one. And that was Chris. If Chris would have never gotten locked up, at some point he would have taken advantage of that.
 
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