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which death from The Wire affected you the most?

Bad Andy said:
I'm rolling with Buk on this one, firstly Mike's main character flaw is that he is afraid of Molesters/Homosexuals. For a kid that became so murderous why was it so hard for him to kill Bugs father himself? The kid had deep rooted homosexual/Molestation conflicts, we all can't deny that. The writers put it out there for all of us to see. They then leave us hanging with the impression that Mike embodies Omar after Omar's death & we all agree about that.
Why not have Mike come in and rob the rim store alone? Why was Mike sounding just like Omar when he spoke to Vinson? Why was Dukie looking like a jealous bitch while Mike smashed the chick? It's all there in front of us not too sure why y'all denying it.
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Mike never killed anybody at that point and like Bug's dad said, he wasn't strong enough yet to take him out. Chris said that in order for Michael to become a hitman, the first person he had to kill was somebody he didn't know. Mike didn't kill anybody until after Chris killed Bug's dad. I'm sure if Chris hadn't have killed him but taught Mike how to kill, Mike would've killed Bug's dad eventually.

If Mike would've robbed Vinson by himself, he probably would've got lit up. Omar didn't rob by himself until he had the respect and fear of the streets, plus he knew specifically when to rob people. Kenard didn't respect him or fear him and that's why Omar got popped the day he rolled by himself and didn't have nobody watching his back when he was already gimpy from breaking a leg.

Vinson didn't respect or fear Michael because he was a youngin. Vinson thought Mike was just some little boy who was running wild with a shotgun he found. But after getting shot by him, he now understands that when Mike comes, to give him what he wants or risk getting a limb shot off.
 
BiggBawlzMcGee said:
Mike never killed anybody at that point and like Bug's dad said, he wasn't strong enough yet to take him out. Chris said that in order for Michael to become a hitman, the first person he had to kill was somebody he didn't know. Mike didn't kill anybody until after Chris killed Bug's dad. I'm sure if Chris hadn't have killed him but taught Mike how to kill, Mike would've killed Bug's dad eventually.

If Mike would've robbed Vinson by himself, he probably would've got lit up. Omar didn't rob by himself until he had the respect and fear of the streets, plus he knew specifically when to rob people. Kenard didn't respect him or fear him and that's why Omar got popped the day he rolled by himself and didn't have nobody watching his back when he was already gimpy from breaking a leg.

Vinson didn't respect or fear Michael because he was a youngin. Vinson thought Mike was just some little boy who was running wild with a shotgun he found. But after getting shot by him, he now understands that when Mike comes, to give him what he wants or risk getting a limb shot off.
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and I guess you can say that Mike mirroring Omar ultimately shows the viscous cycle of the street life, not exactly the viscous cycle of homosexuality.
 
Duece said:
and I guess you can say that Mike mirroring Omar ultimately shows the viscous cycle of the street life, not exactly the viscous cycle of homosexuality.
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Yeah, I'm saying not necessarily, as far as if he follows the cycle of homosexuality because there ain't no facts that support that other than him being molested. And I'm not even saying it's impossible though.

Omar could've been molested and it could've been the reason he ended up gay. The way Chris beat down Bug's dad and took it personally, Chris could've been molested too and he ended up with a wife and kids. Personally I think Chris did and dealt with it by becoming a murderer and he taught Mike to do the same after he committed his first murder and thats why he was like "you can look them in the eye now. No matter what they do to you, you look them in the eye..." because now Mike knows how to deal with someone if they come at him the wrong way.


But that's just going by assumptions. I'm going by how Mike acted and what was shown on the screen. If I'm wrong, I'm wrong, but I just don't see how he could go from acting the way he did around men to liking boys.
 
dtownsfinest said:
:lol: Yea i'm done going in circles with these niggas. :lol: Now Chris is a homo. Probably for hanging out with that light skinned ass nigga Felicia or Snoop. :lol:
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We are playing on the fact that Mike was scarred by molestation/homosexuality. When we found out Rawls was gay they never really developed that story line either, it was just put out there. Snoop clearly states that Mike never really fit in. Thats open to interpretation, she could have meant many things.
 
Bad Andy said:
We are playing on the fact that Mike was scarred by molestation/homosexuality. When we found out Rawls was gay they never really developed that story line either, it was just put out there. Snoop clearly states that Mike never really fit in. Thats open to interpretation, she could have meant many things.
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Yea and i'm saying being molested doesn't make you a homo.

And to your point about Snoop, how can she say he didn't fit in because he was a homo but she was too? Snoop was a dyke.

When she said that I took it she was referring to the fact that he wasn't anything like Snoop, Chris or Marlo. They were stone cold killers who at times killed because they COULD and not because they had to. Mike was never going to be down with that shit. I have to watch that last season again but there were little things they use to do that Mike wasn't down with.

I get what you guys are saying and where you guys are coming from we're just seeing this shit the complete opposite of each other. You guys are seeing it one way and we're seeing it another.
 
yall are starting to worry me. hbo's homo agenda is working. nikkas got gay on the brain... making up shit...wishing characters were gay.
 
Bad Andy said:
We are playing on the fact that Mike was scarred by molestation/homosexuality. When we found out Rawls was gay they never really developed that story line either, it was just put out there. Snoop clearly states that Mike never really fit in. Thats open to interpretation, she could have meant many things.
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Dude she clearly stated that he could never fit in, cuz he was always asking questions and not bein a complete submissive soldier.
 
Bad Andy said:
We are playing on the fact that Mike was scarred by molestation/homosexuality. When we found out Rawls was gay they never really developed that story line either, it was just put out there. Snoop clearly states that Mike never really fit in. Thats open to interpretation, she could have meant many things.
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she explained why she said mike was always questioning things and not just doing what he was told to do.. look at the scene where he kills her:smh:

Mike asking if people deserve to be killed and snoop saying deserve doesn't have shit to do with it


 
Bad Andy said:
We are playing on the fact that Mike was scarred by molestation/homosexuality. When we found out Rawls was gay they never really developed that story line either, it was just put out there. Snoop clearly states that Mike never really fit in. Thats open to interpretation, she could have meant many things.
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so the butch lesbian said he could never fit in cuz he was gay?

she clearly stated the reasons why he didnt fit in so why are you reaching.

no they didnt develop the rawls subplot but they made it very clear what the situation was and left it at that cuz it wasnt important in the grand scheme of things.
 
BDB has presented an interesting take on michael lee.

i will say that his conclusion is not outside the realm of possibility. i will also say that i disagree, citing insufficient evidence.

at best, BDB has a handful of speculative inferences and no proof.

for example, take BDB's example about the gender of michael's sexual partner in episode 50.

EVEN IF YOU CONCEDE THAT THE GENDER IS INDISTINGUISHABLE, that only means that you are left with NO evidence of a claim of EITHER heterosexuality or homosexuality. without knowing the gender of the sexual partner, no claim of sexual preference can be made. the only conclusion that one could logically draw is that michael is not asexual.

similarly, concluding that michael is gay based upon a highly subjective conclusion that his accomplice favors (or is reminiscent) omar's past lovers is flimsy at best.
 
dtownsfinest said:
And to your point about Snoop, how can she say he didn't fit in because he was a homo but she was too? Snoop was a dyke.
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please refresh my memory about when snoop reveals her sexual preference on the show.

i'm not talking "walks like a duck..." conjecture, i'm talking kima greggs type confirmation.
 
cranrab said:
please refresh my memory about when snoop reveals her sexual preference on the show.

i'm not talking "walks like a duck..." conjecture, i'm talking kima greggs type confirmation.
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if i remember correctly...

when snoop and chris got pulled over in the truck with the nail gun, herc said something like "i'd rather be up in some pussy". snoop responded, "me too".
 
cranrab said:
BDB has presented an interesting take on michael lee.

i will say that his conclusion is not outside the realm of possibility. i will also say that i disagree, citing insufficient evidence.

at best, BDB has a handful of speculative inferences and no proof.

for example, take BDB's example about the gender of michael's sexual partner in episode 50.

EVEN IF YOU CONCEDE THAT THE GENDER IS INDISTINGUISHABLE, that only means that you are left with NO evidence of a claim of EITHER heterosexuality or homosexuality. without knowing the gender of the sexual partner, no claim of sexual preference can be made. the only conclusion that one could logically draw is that michael is not asexual.

similarly, concluding that michael is gay based upon a highly subjective conclusion that his accomplice favors (or is reminiscent) omar's past lovers is flimsy at best.
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You can hear a girl's voice laugh and say "Tickles!" as Dukie is coming up the stairs but even if you leave that as ambiguous what about the girl from the trip to Six Flags?

We see Michael holding hands with a girl and when the girls leave he has a BIG Kool-Aid smile on his face as Dukie and he give each other dap for having a good time with two chicks.

Why include two such scenes if Michael were gay?

Why not have him make a move on Dukie since Dukie had basically already assumed a feminine roll in their "family unit"?

It is wrong to assume that because a guy is molested as a child he will turn out to be gay just as it is wrong to assume that all child molesters are gay or that light-skinned "pretty boys" are gay as well.

I think BDB has preconceived notions about both gays and light-skinned people and they are both manifesting themselves in this thread.

He himself stated that Omar's character CAN'T be one of TV's top Black villains because he was gay, whereas I still maintain that he IS one because of it!

To present the possibility of Michael being gay is justifiable and worth discussion, just as our earlier debate on the dumbness/smartness of Stringer Bell, but to present it as a foregone conclusion based purely on innuendo or because "Omar was gay, Michael is too" is irresponsible or as you put it, "flimsy at best!".



 
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damn people!!!! :lol:

okay, when i was watching that final scene with Mike, while he was doing his BEST L.L. Cool J impression, i was like damn, Mike is an Omaresque stick up kid...then alla sudden he opened the front door and BAM...his partner comes in...not looking like a rough and tumble type dude, not a John Baily type...but a Dante type. it was an OH SHIT moment for me. now again, you all can disagree, but that was a TELL if i've ever seen one.

but seeing that we will never agree on that shit...

...can we PLEASE get back to the original subject???

damn i did not know it was gonna get derailed this this.
 
Bad Andy said:
We are playing on the fact that Mike was scarred by molestation/homosexuality. When we found out Rawls was gay they never really developed that story line either, it was just put out there. Snoop clearly states that Mike never really fit in. Thats open to interpretation, she could have meant many things.
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Its not open to interpretation.Its common sense what she meant.
When its time to kill you do tha job no questions asked.
Mike always needs an explanation on why they are doing this that and tha 3rd and that doesn't fit into how Chris,Snoop,and Marlo roll.
You're reading wayyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy to much into it.
1+1=2.
 
BigDaddyBuk said:
damn people!!!! :lol:

okay, when i was watching that final scene with Mike, while he was doing his BEST L.L. Cool J impression, i was like damn, Mike is an Omaresque stick up kid...then alla sudden he opened the front door and BAM...his partner comes in...not looking like a rough and tumble type dude, not a John Baily type...but a Dante type. it was an OH SHIT moment for me. now again, you all can disagree, but that was a TELL if i've ever seen one.

but seeing that we will never agree on that shit...

...can we PLEASE get back to the original subject???

damn i did not know it was gonna get derailed this this.
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welcome to the matrix. you should see the other wire threads. this dispute was polite compared to the usual.
 
themainman said:
if i remember correctly...

when snoop and chris got pulled over in the truck with the nail gun, herc said something like "i'd rather be up in some pussy". snoop responded, "me too".
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:lol::lol::lol::lol::lol:

I remember that.

I started reading the gay shit thinking niccas was reading too much into it...but after watching the clip..I have to say that it is possible...

Yes they could have had Mike rob the dude by himself, but that isn't realistic....

But at the same time, his partner was subservient...when they could have had them both talking shit and being real macho...yet, lil dude never said a word, just obeyed

think of all the shit that happened with two characters doing dirt and both of them were strong...even chris and snoop....but in this instance they chose a different dynamic

lol...maybe i am reading too much into it
 
getting back to the original question: OMAR's death affected me the most! Stringer Bell had the most dramtic memorable death (to me) though.

after all the shit Omar did, his death was sort of anti-climatic. Stringer's death was gangster and he went out like a true G (tried to negotiate a way out but when it didn't work, told them "get on with it then...").


MA
 
zipgun1 said:
:lol::lol::lol::lol::lol:

I remember that.

I started reading the gay shit thinking niccas was reading too much into it...but after watching the clip..I have to say that it is possible...

Yes they could have had Mike rob the dude by himself, but that isn't realistic....

But at the same time, his partner was subservient...when they could have had them both talking shit and being real macho...yet, lil dude never said a word, just obeyed

think of all the shit that happened with two characters doing dirt and both of them were strong...even chris and snoop....but in this instance they chose a different dynamic

lol...maybe i am reading too much into it
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Thank you, we are on a forum to have differing views. Like Zipgun1 says
"But at the same time, his partner was subservient...when they could have had them both talking shit and being real macho...yet, lil dude never said a word, just obeyed"

Snoop said Mike was different just didn't fit in to their crew which is correct. Everyone agrees he makes a better stick up kid like Gay Omar. In the early clips when Omar was younger he questions why they had to rob the working man correct? Did the other cats with him not say he wasn't cut out for this gangsta shit just like snoop said about Mike???

Why would the writers make these two characters so similar? Young Omar was the smallest in his lil stick up crew but he was the leader. Mike was the leader of his crew aswell. If you ask me that's too many similarities between Mike & Omar. I am just saying the writers leave it open for speculation.
 
DaAssWatcher said:
Its not open to interpretation.Its common sense what she meant.
When its time to kill you do tha job no questions asked.
Mike always needs an explanation on why they are doing this that and tha 3rd and that doesn't fit into how Chris,Snoop,and Marlo roll.
You're reading wayyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy to much into it.
1+1=2.
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:lol::lol::lol:
exactly
they want mike to be gay so bad
and everything they point to doesn't even make someone impartial come to that conclusion
they're reading WAY too much into it
the wire wasn't about oh maybe this maybe that
if someone was gay...they showed it.
he robbed someone with another boy...
why didnt he go alone? cause he's a kid and it would be stupid to do it solo, mike was not stupid
the boy was subservient? yes because mike was the boss of the operation not because he was gay :lol:
WHENEVER MARLO started talking all the dudes including chris SHUT UP...so because they were that way to marlo that meant they were gay too right?
whenever AVON STARTED TALKING everyone shut up that means his whole crew was gay too right?
its the pecking order, the person in charge is the mouth piece in all instances, he's handling it playing his position...you hold the gun and play yours not a hard concept to grasp

when snoop said he wouldn't be like us?
really?:lol:
if you couldn't see that CLEARLY they just followed orders and didn't really give a fuck about the deserve and why...but mike analyzed everything and questioned everything and every decision then i don't know what to tell you.
he would never be one of them because he had his own mind, and in that crew marlo was the mind, everyone else was the muscle. you only gave your opinion if HE asked you for it otherwise you keep your shit to yoursel

my last post on the mike thing

lil kev got it the worst
 
jasonblacc said:
:smh::smh::smh::smh::smh: Dam bgol is really turning gay.
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Yo it's all this gay tolerance stuff imo .... EVERYTHING is gay in 2011 :smh:

Like I said I thought him and Dookie might have been sweet cause they had this prison wife type thing going on [pause] ... but nothing came of that ... and when dookie whupped kenard's ass just for talking down .... that made me see he wasn't completely moist ... but all these gay people everywhere do be having me a lil paranoid ain't gonna lie ... BDB took it to a whole nuther level tho

themainman said:
Attorney General Eric Holder Wants Another Season of The Wire
(5/31)

"its a secret society all we ask is trust...":lol:
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From the article:
"If you don't do a season, do a movie. We've done HBO movies, this is a series that deserves a movie."
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We might need a new thread :cool:.... I feel like it should not have anymore seasons maybe a movie later on but it went out in it's prime and anything more might mess up the legacy ... just my 2 cents
 

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