which death from The Wire affected you the most?

[dtownsfinest]

yes or no, did you see what was CLEARLY a girl? can you admit that the gender of that person was not OBVIOUS? i heard a feminine voice as well, i couldn't tell if it was the music, or the person, and even so, that shit still doesnt make it concrete.



lazy writing? this i do not agree with. and again, did you CLEARLY see that it was a girl? do you not comprehend that the ambiguity was done ON PURPOSE? and in Mike's OWN WORDS when he thought Cutty was gay: "That don't mean nothin!"

Yea to make Mike gay would've been lazy writing. No backstory no nothing. He just becomes the new Omar because.... wait why does he all of a sudden start to pay ode to Omar? Go as far as start liking dudes? It makes no sense.



That was a chic he was smashing. Why is Mike smashing on TOP of the girl and asking her is she okay? Can you explain that one for me? Your evidence for why he was gay is direction by the director and the way the actors on the show look. The nigga with Michael robbing Vinson doesn't even look like a "Dante" or homo. Just look like a nigga they got off the streets of B-More who had no acting background.

 

[rebel]

yes or no, did you see what was CLEARLY a girl? can you admit that the gender of that person was not OBVIOUS? i heard a feminine voice as well, i couldn't tell if it was the music, or the person, and even so, that shit still doesnt make it concrete.

From youtube:

That girl was Quanise Davis from his class. You could tell because her hair (she was rocking the singles) skin color and the way she spoke. Plus in the second episode of season 4 (I think) in the beginning everyone talked about how they wanted to get with her ugly ass (mainly Namond)

 

[BigDaddyBuk]

You want Mike to be gay bad, huh

i've stated over and over that i dont want Mike to be gay, but i DO understand whats being presented. for some people, you cant separate understanding from desire. when watching tv shows or dramas, i dont have the option of taking what i want from it, i allow the story tellers to TELL me the story.

Yea to make Mike gay would've been lazy writing. No backstory no nothing. He just becomes the new Omar because.... wait why does he all of a sudden start to pay ode to Omar? Go as far as start liking dudes? It makes no sense.



That was a chic he was smashing. Why is Mike smashing on TOP of the girl and asking her is she okay? Can you explain that one for me? Your evidence for why he was gay is direction by the director and the way the actors on the show look. The nigga with Michael robbing Vinson doesn't even look like a "Dante" or homo. Just look like a nigga they got off the streets of B-More who had no acting background.

again, that sex scene with Mike? you DID NOT SEE that it was a girl. you can DECIDE it was, but you cannot say for certain. that was done ON PURPOSE.

no back story??? dude stop being obtuse. Mike got raped by a man. Mike questions the sexuality of any man who is friendly to him. Mike was so afraid of getting raped again he refused to be alone with Cutty and RAN from him. Mike become HYPER masculine by beating people, killing people, and finally BECOMES Omar.

this is what's called BACK STORY, bro.

again, you can admit Mike "becomes" Omar, but dont want to accept ALL OF IT.

i dont have that option. all i can do is accept whats presented.

 

[ScottyPiffen745]

Come on, son! You mean to tell me you can't tell this is a chick?



@ :24 "It tickles" - What dude sounds like that?

It sounds like Crystal, the girl that brought Dukie's school clothes to his house. Maybe Dukie liked her and that's why he was walking around all sad and shit.

 

[shaddyvillethug]

BDB smh man.

Mike is not a butt pirate like cjb

 

[Give Me 3ft.]

DuQuan became the new Bubbles, just like Mike became the new Omar, boyfriend in tow and all.

 

[largebillsonlyplease]

Man you reaching like a muthafucka. Michael was smashin' the chic on top. That wasn't no damn dude. He even asks her "Are you okay? I don't want to hurt you..." or some shit along those lines. I'm not on some homophobic shit. If there was evidence Mike was gay i'd believe you but right now you're not really bringing anything to the table other than he assumptions on your part. To make Mike homo would be lazy writing by the Wire and the Wire wasn't known for lazy writing.

You want Mike to be gay bad, huh

this dude is reaching like crazy i have no idea why he feels so strongly about it and wants him to be but shit

 

[largebillsonlyplease]

i've stated over and over that i dont want Mike to be gay, but i DO understand whats being presented. for some people, you cant separate understanding from desire. when watching tv shows or dramas, i dont have the option of taking what i want from it, i allow the story tellers to TELL me the story.


again, that sex scene with Mike? you DID NOT SEE that it was a girl. you can DECIDE it was, but you cannot say for certain. that was done ON PURPOSE.

no back story??? dude stop being obtuse. Mike got raped by a man. Mike questions the sexuality of any man who is friendly to him. Mike was so afraid of getting raped again he refused to be alone with Cutty and RAN from him. Mike become HYPER masculine by beating people, killing people, and finally BECOMES Omar.

this is what's called BACK STORY, bro.

again, you can admit Mike "becomes" Omar, but dont want to accept ALL OF IT.

i dont have that option. all i can do is accept whats presented.

ima just keep it real with you
you watched the show, but some of your theories and conclusions are WAY OFF
this being one of em. you keep saying you're going with what's presented...but honestly you're not going with what's been presented.
everyone here watched the show and knows it inside and out
and you're the only one talking bout he was gay and that the chick he was smashing possibly wasn't a chick

 

[moblack]

smh at Mike being gay.

 

[Les W]

I don't know if Michael was gay like Omar ... but Dookie was acting like a housewife .... I ain't gonna lie that was suspect ... and he was def crushin a chick in the room (I agree with it being crystal) ... but Dookie's reaction had me confused ...

 

[dtownsfinest]

i've stated over and over that i dont want Mike to be gay, but i DO understand whats being presented. for some people, you cant separate understanding from desire. when watching tv shows or dramas, i dont have the option of taking what i want from it, i allow the story tellers to TELL me the story.


again, that sex scene with Mike? you DID NOT SEE that it was a girl. you can DECIDE it was, but you cannot say for certain. that was done ON PURPOSE.

no back story??? dude stop being obtuse. Mike got raped by a man. Mike questions the sexuality of any man who is friendly to him. Mike was so afraid of getting raped again he refused to be alone with Cutty and RAN from him. Mike become HYPER masculine by beating people, killing people, and finally BECOMES Omar.

this is what's called BACK STORY, bro.

again, you can admit Mike "becomes" Omar, but dont want to accept ALL OF IT.

i dont have that option. all i can do is accept whats presented.

Being molested doesn't mean you end up gay though bruh. That's why I would blame that on lazy writing. Out of all these stories out here you read about these pastors messing with lil' boy how many of them end up gay? In most cases those guys end up growing up having families of their own. And the fact that he was molested and didn't trust older men was backstory for why he took no money from older guys and why he was more mature than the rest of the kids his age. That shit wasn't to make him out to be a homo.


And yea he is the new Omar. He's that new stick up kid who's running shit. There was stick up kids before Omar. Not many with the legend Omar has. That's what made Mike the new Omar. Not his sexual preference but him being that new "stick up kid" from around the way robbin' the old heads.

The problem it seems you're having is that you believe Omar started all of this shit. Naw man stick up kids been around long before Omar and chances are Omar was influenced by a stick up kid himself.

 

[dtownsfinest]

ima just keep it real with you
you watched the show, but some of your theories and conclusions are WAY OFF
this being one of em. you keep saying you're going with what's presented...but honestly you're not going with what's been presented.
everyone here watched the show and knows it inside and out
and you're the only one talking bout he was gay and that the chick he was smashing possibly wasn't a chick

EXACTLY. He keeps talking about what's being presented but then neglects ACTUALLY acknowledge what's being presented. His views of the show are so skewed that I don't know if he hasn't watched it in awhile or what.

What's presented to us is that:

Mike was hollerin' at females at Six Flag.
He was smashing a FEMALE in his apartment.
Didn't want to be too close to other males.

David Simon and Ed Burns would've NEVER made Mike a homo just out of simple fact that you would expect that shit to happen. Like for instance Dookie became the new Bubbles but if they wrote Dookie's story they'd probably have him on OD on heroine rather than get clean.

 

[BigDaddyBuk]

look, y'all wont agree withe me on this, and that's fine.

but what i find it funny that y'all KNOW that Mike replaces Omar, but wont even acknowledge the POSSIBILITY that i'm right.

none of what ive presented is UNTRUE, you all are just processing it differently.

the MOST you can say is that it can go either way from whats presented, but you cant HONESTLY say i'm off, based on what i've shown.

y'all are probably the same types to say Luther Vandross wasn't gay.

 

[Give Me 3ft.]

Snot.



FYI, All eps are on the HBO GO app.

Snot boogie, good look on the hbo go.

did he have on a trench coat and whistle farmer in the dell too? no. you cant just attach the homo label on the boy like that.

Hes the new Omar, ALL the way!

Bodie - dude went out like a soldier, mad heart

Cheese - when Slim popped dude, saw it coming, that was a character I was like when is some1 go pop his markass already, and was glad when Slim shut dat nigga up real quick 4 tryna justify his grimyness

This shit rite here tho was crazy, the way they were str8 courting Mike to be down, talking about you ride wit us you're family. And of course dude din't have much choice for his and his younger brother's safety.

Plus the way Chris went in, it showed the roots of his own psychopathic behavior, and at the same time the humanity he had for Mike and his bro. (The way he looked at Mike when Mike was like yo I just want him gone.)

When Chris wentoff, even Snoop was on pause like loll look at 3:10 til the rest of the scene this assassin bitch was all shocked and shit!!! gr8 scene
Then Mike looked all happy and at peace when his mom came home without finding Bug's father. shit was twisted

I got the impression chris was molested, so he understood mike.

i read those wiki pages before i answered the last time, and it still stands, at no time did Joe set anyone up TO BE KILLED, outside of Avon.

Old face Andre.

 

[largebillsonlyplease]

look, y'all wont agree withe me on this, and that's fine.

but what i find it funny that y'all KNOW that Mike replaces Omar, but wont even acknowledge the POSSIBILITY that i'm right.

none of what ive presented is UNTRUE, you all are just processing it differently.

the MOST you can say is that it can go either way from whats presented, but you cant HONESTLY say i'm off, based on what i've shown.

y'all are probably the same types to say Luther Vandross wasn't gay.

what i find funny is the fact that you want him to be gay so bad that you ignore everything to the contrary
he never had an awkward moment with any boy EVER
he didn't touch his little brother
he only felt uncomfortable around men who tried to get too close because of his experiences with being molested

there is no possibility that you're right. the only evidence you have, is that he is a stickup kid.
and that is no evidence at all, he is supposed to be the new omar, so does that mean he's automatically gay? no it means he robs people YOU are the only one making that jump and i don't understand why you want it to be so bad

and i can say you're off cause the shit you showed (him fucking a CLEAR WOMAN) and him being a armed robber who robs drug dealers doesn't mean it can go either way

cause he had someone with him (male) when he robbed someone? was he supposed to go it alone?
omar ran with men AND women but he NEVER ever showed any interest in women, and judging by his character he never did. there was never a time where anyone ever mentioned omar having an old girlfriend of any kind at any age...

i'm not the type to look for someone to be gay

you think he is (for unknown reasons)

i don't see it

 

[BigDaddyBuk]

Old face Andre.

yeah, i conceded that earlier. Joe and Slim Charles fucked Old Face Andre over.

 

[8/11Streetz]

Bodie - dude went out like a soldier, mad heart

Cheese - when Slim popped dude, saw it coming, that was a character I was like when is some1 go pop his markass already, and was glad when Slim shut dat nigga up real quick 4 tryna justify his grimyness


This shit rite here tho was crazy, the way they were str8 courting Mike to be down, talking about you ride wit us you're family. And of course dude din't have much choice for his and his younger brother's safety.

Plus the way Chris went in, it showed the roots of his own psychopathic behavior, and at the same time the humanity he had for Mike and his bro. (The way he looked at Mike when Mike was like yo I just want him gone.)

When Chris wentoff, even Snoop was on pause like loll look at 3:10 til the rest of the scene this assassin bitch was all shocked and shit!!! gr8 scene
Then Mike looked all happy and at peace when his mom came home without finding Bug's father. shit was twisted

gotdamn i didnt realize how bad he fucked that nigga up and i watched wire like 30 times



OH AND MIKE WAS GAY WHERE DID U GET THAT IMPRESSION FROM???????

 

[BigDaddyBuk]

what i find funny is the fact that you want him to be gay so bad that you ignore everything to the contrary
he never had an awkward moment with any boy EVER
he didn't touch his little brother
he only felt uncomfortable around men who tried to get too close because of his experiences with being molested

there is no possibility that you're right. the only evidence you have, is that he is a stickup kid.
and that is no evidence at all, he is supposed to be the new omar, so does that mean he's automatically gay? no it means he robs people YOU are the only one making that jump and i don't understand why you want it to be so bad

and i can say you're off cause the shit you showed (him fucking a CLEAR WOMAN) and him being a armed robber who robs drug dealers doesn't mean it can go either way

cause he had someone with him (male) when he robbed someone? was he supposed to go it alone?
omar ran with men AND women but he NEVER ever showed any interest in women, and judging by his character he never did. there was never a time where anyone ever mentioned omar having an old girlfriend of any kind at any age...

i'm not the type to look for someone to be gay

you think he is (for unknown reasons)

i don't see it

you all DONT WANT HIM to be gay so bad you're dismissing what's obvious.

like i said, you dont have to agree, but your fierce defense of Mike's heterosexuality is MORE emotional than detached logic.

you have a dog in this fight, i don't.

and whoever said i think Omar invented being a stick up kid is just being silly.

the last episode of the wire had ONE theme: the players change, but the game remains the same. for every character who evolved OUT of the game there was someone who replaced him.

EVERYONE agrees that Mike becomes Omar, but MOST folks are so disgusted by Omar's poofery that they aren't attributing it to Mike, even though it's presented.

ah well...whatever lets you cats sleep at night...

 

[Count23]

you all DONT WANT HIM to be gay so bad you're dismissing what's obvious.

like i said, you dont have to agree, but your fierce defense of Mike's heterosexuality is MORE emotional than detached logic.

you have a dog in this fight, i don't.

and whoever said i think Omar invented being a stick up kid is just being silly.

the last episode of the wire had ONE theme: the players change, but the game remains the same. for every character who evolved OUT of the game there was someone who replaced him.

EVERYONE agrees that Mike becomes Omar, but MOST folks are so disgusted by Omar's poofery that they aren't attributing it to Mike, even though it's presented.

ah well...whatever lets you cats sleep at night...

Question: what about mike's stickup partner makes him seem gay to you? You're reaching with this mike is gay theory. And before you say it, it didn't bother me that omar was gay either. Your theory just doesn't hold any water.

 

[BigDaddyBuk]

Question: what about mike's stickup partner makes him seem gay to you? You're reaching with this mike is gay theory. And before you say it, it didn't bother me that omar was gay either. Your theory just doesn't hold any water.

i'm not reaching, and i've already stated the reasons for it.

you dont have to see it, you dont have to agree, but you cant say it wasn't presented.

 

[largebillsonlyplease]

Question: what about mike's stickup partner makes him seem gay to you? You're reaching with this mike is gay theory. And before you say it, it didn't bother me that omar was gay either. Your theory just doesn't hold any water.

his theory makes absolutely no sense
but he thinks its us not trying to see it
but its him trying to look too hard
simple as that
his shit makes NO SENSE
and i don't even usually dismiss people like that on the wire im open to it all
but this shit?
nah homie

 

[Count23]

i'm not reaching, and i've already stated the reasons for it.

you dont have to see it, you dont have to agree, but you cant say it wasn't presented.

Nah I'm askin you specifically what made his stickup partner seem gay to you considering he was onscreen for only a few secs (and he cinched your mike is gay theory).

 

[Duece]

Seeing how willing (from Treme and The Wire) David Simon is with using LBGT characaters I think he would've dropped a hint if Mike was anything but straight.

 

[largebillsonlyplease]

Seeing how willing (from Treme and The Wire) David Simon is with using LBGT characaters I think he would've dropped a hint if Mike was anything but straight.

exactly..
who see's a character go after nothing but women
fuck some girls
and then come to the conclusion that they're gay

anyone that was gay was clear on the show

from omar

to the police chief (when he was in the gay bar the brother sent his helper in to look for omar)

 

[Rick Ronson]

I never watched that shit because i grew up when it was real.

Why the fuck would i want to relive that hell?

I was never fascinated by that shit I always hated them niggas
and couldn't wait till the white man cut off their supply of
nigga poison.

Which finally happened and look at niggas now.

Weak bitch ass nigreaus who knew they were wrong but selfish.

Every nigga had that same bitch ass "gotta feed my family" script.

Nigga fuck you and your family.

 

[Count23]

I never watched that shit because i grew up when it was real.

Why the fuck would i want to relive that hell?

I was never fascinated by that shit I always hated them niggas
and couldn't wait till the white man cut off their supply of
nigga poison.

Which finally happened and look at niggas now.

Weak bitch ass nigreaus who knew they were wrong but selfish.

Every nigga had that same bitch ass "gotta feed my family" script.

Nigga fuck you and your family.

Ok.

 

[BigDaddyBuk]

Seeing how willing (from Treme and The Wire) David Simon is with using LBGT characaters I think he would've dropped a hint if Mike was anything but straight.

a hint?

damn.

okay y'all...i've spoken on this ad naseum. if you dont agree that's fine, im not forcing anything on anyone.

but the AMAZING way you all are dismissing whats clearly presented just because you find it distasteful is very interesting to me.

back to the original topic, please.

 

[Count23]

a hint?

damn.

okay y'all...i've spoken on this ad naseum. if you dont agree that's fine, im not forcing anything on anyone.

but the AMAZING way you all are dismissing whats clearly presented just because you find it distasteful is very interesting to me.

back to the original topic, please.

Nah I'm askin you specifically what made his stickup partner seem gay to you considering he was onscreen for only a few secs (and he cinched your mike is gay theory).

........

 

[BigDaddyBuk]

........

if you're that interested, go back through this thread and look at my replies.

 

[Count23]

if you're that interested, go back through this thread and look at my replies.

I read your replies before I asked that question. Actually I was asking cuz of this line (in red).

you're dismissing the unpalatable shit from the story.

all i'm doing is seeing what's presented.

the ONE THING that all of us hate about Omar was his WILD FAGGOTRY.

take that away and you have maybe the greatest Black outlaw ever created in fiction.

we all hate it, but they made it amazingly clear that he was gay, no doubt about it. they TOLD you he was gay, told you HOW he got turned out, showed him kissing dudes, hugged up with them, etc.



they SPOON FED YOU that shit.

okay, so then you have Mike, who was molested by Bug's dad, which parallels Omar's situation. Mike is seen having sex, but i dare anyone to unequivocally identify the gender of the person he was with. they shot it that way ON PURPOSE. then when Mike takes over Omar's style, weapon, and M.O. in sticking up Vinson, instead of having a John Baily type as his partner(who was DISGUSTED by Omar and Brandon's gayness), he has a Brandon/Dante/Renaldo type by his side.

that was an OH SHIT moment.

again, i'm only accepting what they presented. i dont want Mike to be Omar...and if it makes you feel better because they didnt show Mike FUCKING dudes then fine.

but i understand what was presented, regardless of how repulsive it is.

Again, how did you determine all of this from him being onscreen for a few secs? Is it cuz he seems like a "lightskin pretty boy"? again itdidnt bother me that Omar was gay don't bring that into the argument.

 

[BigDaddyBuk]

I read your replies before I asked that question. Actually I was asking cuz of this line (in red).

Again, how did you determine all of this from him being onscreen for a few secs? Is it cuz he seems like a "lightskin pretty boy"? again itdidnt bother me that Omar was gay don't bring that into the argument.

yes. he is a light skin pretty boy. he didnt NEED to be there. his being there and looking like one of Omar's boys is a statement.

 

[Count23]

yes. he is a light skin pretty boy. he didnt NEED to be there. his being there and looking like one of Omar's boys is a statement.

One could argue that mike is also a lightskin pretty boy. I guess he should've had a dark and ugly azz negra with him in order throw off suspicion huh?

 

[largebillsonlyplease]

One could argue that mike is also a lightskin pretty boy. I guess he should've had a dark and ugly azz negra with him in order throw off suspicion huh?

exactly
his argument is sooooo weak
he's reaching for shit that isn't there

 

[Count23]

exactly
his argument is sooooo weak
he's reaching for shit that isn't there

When I was readin his arguments, I noticed that mike's stick up partner seemed to be the linchpin for his argument. I thought that it had something to do w/ him bein light skinned but I wanted to ask him to be sure. sure enough, I was right. When it came to gayness, the wire never pulled punches. Even when it came to hints, they hit you over the head with it (think rawlins). Mike became like Omar. He didn't become omar.

His train of thought opens another can of worms about how light skinned males are more easier assumed to be weak, soft, gay, etc. But that's another thread entirely.

 

[8/11Streetz]

so when Poot went to go cap Wallace he had a lightskin nigga wit him guess poot gay to