What Mayweather's legacy may be missing: THE WAR.

[patscorpio]

Frazier died relatively young and Ali has Parkinson's. Those gladiator fans are selfish and stupid if the favor slugfests over the sweet science.

frazier's death was not boxing related..he died of liver cancer....thats not a boxing related affliction..

boxing is not one thing...its never going to be all slugfests and its not going to be every cat fighting like floyd or rigo...its the melting pot of styles that make the sport what it is..but historically its the KO artists, the flashy personalities, the loudmouths, and the brawlers that bring ppl boxing more than the sweet science specialists..you need those type of people..for better or for worse

 

[will_right]

My point exactly! No one talks about Jones Jr. May be Mayweather and Jones were just too good for their own good to reiterate Brother Blues point.

Jones was a bitch for not giving Bhop and James Toney a rematch..but keep in mind he lost to Gerald M and the other dude in the 88 olympics..he NEVER had any boxing skill.. but he WAS gifted with speed and power

 

[Built4Life]

Jones was a bitch for not giving Bhop and James Toney a rematch..but keep in mind he lost to Gerald M and the other dude in the 88 olympics..he NEVER had any boxing skill.. but he WAS gifted with speed and power

The worst thing he did was go to heavyweight. It slowed him down and he had no defense and was too reliant on his athletic ability. Eventually, it would have caught up to him, but it wouldn't have caught up so fast.

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[Dragonfly Jones]

Jones was a bitch for not giving Bhop and James Toney a rematch..but keep in mind he lost to Gerald M and the other dude in the 88 olympics..he NEVER had any boxing skill.. but he WAS gifted with speed and power

He had real boxing skill. What he didn't have was an elite defense. He simply relied on his speed and reflexes when fighting. He beat Toney handily, he was just too quick for him. Bhop was a closer fight but Jones never felt he had to fight him again he had already beat him and was at a heavier weight. Jones fought everybody in his weight class. He tried to get the Calzaghe fight for years but kept getting dodged until he was out of his prime. It's one thing to never accept a fight or never try to get a fight with a fighter and another to have already fought the guy (win)and not want a rematch.

 

[geechiedan]

Why would you assume I think football players who get fucked in the head is ok?

People ARE changing the rules in football, and if you notice, more and more people who actually know the damage caused from those bangs are discouraging their kids from playing that shit.


As for your last question, Floyd will be known for being Floyd, not for being in wars.

Tyson lost wars, but people still only remember him for his dominance when he had it.

youre right tyson dominated and thats what hes remembered for but looking back theres no real meat to his career. People look at tyson the way they look at a pitbull. He intimidated his opponents early on then he because a circus act later in his career. His career arc is similar to Ali's in that the early part of his career was flawless. Like Ali, Tyson was disciplined and merciless then came the BAN then his career after that was the downside. But UNLIKE Ali who lost a step after the banishment but compensated with tactical adjustments..tyson lost a step too but reacted to it by biting ears and trying to break arms and flipping out. Ali's most memorable fights are against opponents he was either evenly matched with (frazier) or underdog to (foreman). And ken norton was his buster douglas and underdog who won.

The CLOSEST thing tyson has to a war and evenly matched opponent would be evander holyfield and he marred it by biting him.

Lennox Lewis never really had wars either. Got beat by some guys, and avenged his losses.

and who talks about lennox lewis in the same way they talk about Ali or Sugar Ray??

I don't know what wars Joe Louis was in, cuz I don't know THAT much about him, but I know who he is.

Joe Louis had wars with Max Schmeling and that had everything to do with black vs white and America vs Nazi Germany. And Lewis LOST the first fight so the pressure was on for the second fight.

Jack Johnson too. Don't think he had any wars. He dominated them CACs. That's why I know him.

Jack Johnsons war was with racism itself. He just beat the hell out of whoever was in front of him.

Don't know if rocky Marciano ever got in a war, but I know him.

famously with Sugar Ray Robinson twice I believe. They split iirc.

Sugar Ray Leonard's war with hafler if you can call it that, isn't my favorite fight of his. I like him and remember him because he was fast and a great fighter.

there was hagler, there was hearns, there was roberto duran. Like Ali people recall Leonards career by the opponents he had the most to lose against or was evenly matched with and went toe to toe with.

You've set up this whole premise as if someone needs to come close to losing I order to be remembered when a ya need to be is great. Floyd is that.

MOST of those people you mentioned at some point in their careers had to put it all on the line and if they lost had to come back harder the next time. Its not the trash talk or the pristine record its the BATTLE. When you have two guys slugging it out and I'm not talking about throwing wild punches or purposely taking open hits like a rocky movie fight...I'm talkng about two guys scoring on each other and you don't know who's going to win. Youre on the edge of your seat. Thats Ali-Frazier, thats Leonard-Hearns, thats Robinson-Mariciano...

When has that ever been Mayweather-________ that people reference in the same way?

 

[geechiedan]

well was maidana the war Mayweather's legacy needed?

is this and the rematch the thing we've been waiting for??

 

[Brother Blues]

well was maidana the war Mayweather's legacy needed?

is this and the rematch the thing we've been waiting for??

Should be....but the people who knock Mayweather will go on to the next thing.

''He's dodging Manny Pac''...then when he knocks him out,it will be...

''Well Manny Pac was old''...

Even tho Mayweather is older

 

[exiledking]

well was maidana the war Mayweather's legacy needed?

is this and the rematch the thing we've been waiting for??

Nah. The whole premise of him needing a war to be a legend is stupid. We will be talking about Mayweather in history regardless.

 

[junyloko]

Missing to who?....it's a testament to his greatness that no one has been able to push into a war.

this. only this missing after a war is brain cells.

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[HeathCliff]

Nah. The whole premise of him needing a war to be a legend is stupid. We will be talking about Mayweather in history regardless.

Pretty much

 

[Ming Fei Hong]

frazier's death was not boxing related..he died of liver cancer....thats not a boxing related affliction..

boxing is not one thing...its never going to be all slugfests and its not going to be every cat fighting like floyd or rigo...its the melting pot of styles that make the sport what it is..but historically its the KO artists, the flashy personalities, the loudmouths, and the brawlers that bring ppl boxing more than the sweet science specialists..you need those type of people..for better or for worse

I'm aware Frazier's death wasn't boxing related. My point about him was/is that he died young and the toll of his boxing style stole a lot of healthy years from him after he retired. Those 'wars' didn't benefit HIM. I'm talking about the boxer's perspective. Fuck fickle fans. And I don't think you comprehend what the sweet science of boxing means. You literally just described it as an alternative to itself. Sweet science isn't one dimensional. Floyd utilizes all aspects of the game. He does whatever he needs to do to whomever, whenever. If it's a slugfest with Cotto, stick 'n move with Canelo, h3's cerebral enough to know how to adapt/adjust and skillful enough to do it. He's already being talked about as one of the greats, without sacrificing his health in the process. A fan has to either be a novice of the fight game or idiot to think a fighter who can hit without getting hit, should choose to get hit for their entertainment.

 

[Mask]

well was maidana the war Mayweather's legacy needed?

is this and the rematch the thing we've been waiting for??

Was coming bump this thread....asking, "Now what are y'all happy?"

 

[Mask]

A fan has to either be a novice of the fight game or idiot to think a fighter who can hit without getting hit, should choose to get hit for their entertainment.

The few times he decided to brawl, there was blood along with cuts he sub stained. I understand folks pay hard earned money, so having mixed emotions about that action is understandable. Lack of slugfests don't define a fighter career.

 

[geechiedan]

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[Chitownheadbusa]

Someone needs to make a thread like this for LBJ.

Never seen so many BBall players get catapulted to greatness, without ever being tested, until a few years after the MJ era.

 

[Coldchi]

nowadays......fighters aint comin to Mayweather cuz they have a legitimate shot at beating him......they are just looking for a paycheck they can retire off of.

 

[Louis Koo]

this sums it up

"When Mayweather steps out of his weight class and beats the world champion in their own weight class maybe you will stop hearing the comparisons between the two but as long as Floyd sits protected in the same weight class he's fought for almost a decade no one cares. It's like owning the video game Madden, playing on rookie and going undefeated, looks real good on paper the rest of us (the people that know the sport) know better. I won't even go into the questionable scoring because, like anyone else that even knows a fragment about boxing, the score card is not always right. But at the end of the day he is 48-0 in his weight class, that is an accomplishment, but top five? Watch some real boxing. I forget how many weight classes has Manny moved up to then beaten the world champion? Oh that's right Manny has done it six times. That's why he is still, even after losing, referred to the greatest pound for pound fighter there is. Because he is - he's a man not afraid to take on a challenge, and he's not a coward that sits in the same weight class protecting his belts.

 

[unknownsoldier]

this sums it up

 

[BrownTurd]

Missing to who?....it's a testament to his greatness that no one has been able to push into a war.

Not true. Maywesther could have easily moved to different weight classes to actually challenge better boxers. He basically is equal to a team like Bama playing in the sunbelt conference with a weak OOC schedule

 

[BrownTurd]

What Roy Jones Jr. fight is worth viewing over and over?

Roy Jones was the Oregon Ducks of boxing where he put on a show. Was very entertaining to watch as he displayed charisma, hand speed and elite punching power to knock out opponents.

Roy Jones also challenged himself by changing weight classes.

 

[BrownTurd]

I agree...mayweather pick fighters that he know he can beat!!..so as far to his legacy, he really don't have one!!..


but got rich, that's all!!..

This pretty much Su.s it up.

 

[exiledking]

Lol this thread came up cuz niggas still mad. Money May ain't got shit to prove.

The guy who had wars with all these other people who they said he was scared of for years, just got shut down. And he took your money to show you all a BOXING clinic. Not a war clinic. There is no one in his weight class who can give him that. And no he's not moving up to some ridiculous weight classes he doesn't fit in for people's entertainment who really don't appreciate it.

I spent the last few days watching classic fights of people who are in wheelchairs and talking slow. Floyd has seen that all his life first hand. He's smart to say fuck all yall and get money for actual boxing.

 

[meilmarc]

Not true. Maywesther could have easily moved to different weight classes to actually challenge better boxers. He basically is equal to a team like Bama playing in the sunbelt conference with a weak OOC schedule

He started off fighting at 130. Then fought as high as 154 where you got dude naturally walking around 180 pounds plus. He been fighting bigger fighters for years that's why his knock rate has gone down since he been at 147 since 2006

 

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[Spectrum]

He started off fighting at 130. Then fought as high as 154 where you got dude naturally walking around 180 pounds plus. He been fighting bigger fighters for years that's why his knock rate has gone down since he been at 147 since 2006

Man. These clowns don't know shit about boxing.

 

[Famous1]

Foh with some PAC winning the first fight

PAC lost all his fights to Marquez but officially got his face planted to the mat where the judges couldn't rob Marquez

which Pac...... The one on roids, or that bum that showed up Saturday night?

 

[REMINGTON_BLACK]

I find it interesting that a lot of you are missing the point. Boxing is a sport and a business. You can focus on being a puncher and burn out or you can focus on being a business man and playing to your strengths. At the end of the day FMJ is wealthy and still relatively good health compared to others that have been fighting for as long as him. What have being the greatest (by popular opinion) gotten someone like Ali? Respect, sure, but I'm pretty sure he would take better health and more money over that respect any day. Just my look at it all. I'm sure I don't know what I'm talking about or I'm some type of "stan".

 

[HeathCliff]

this sums it up

So basically it sounds like to me they're saying Pacman was not in his level? I think most of us already knew Floyd was above and beyond everyone else no matter how much hyped up Manny was supposed to be the "ONE"

 

[geechiedan]

I find it interesting that a lot of you are missing the point. Boxing is a sport and a business. You can focus on being a puncher and burn out or you can focus on being a business man and playing to your strengths. At the end of the day FMJ is wealthy and still relatively good health compared to others that have been fighting for as long as him. What have being the greatest (by popular opinion) gotten someone like Ali? Respect, sure, but I'm pretty sure he would take better health and more money over that respect any day. Just my look at it all. I'm sure I don't know what I'm talking about or I'm some type of "stan".

there are sports in the US that are pretty much gladiator sports..Boxing, Football and Hockey. Sports where violence and injury is a part of the game. So as a spectator and fan of gladiator sports I don't watch them to see the athletes be safe. I get why Mayweather would be careful but its those slugfests and toe to toe battles with blood and snot flying thats most memorable and revered. Its those moments that create legends and myths. Think about it theres a reason why people remember some 30 years later the 3 bouts between ali and frazier particularly the last one or Hearns/Hagler.

 

[exiledking]

I find it interesting that a lot of you are missing the point. Boxing is a sport and a business. You can focus on being a puncher and burn out or you can focus on being a business man and playing to your strengths. At the end of the day FMJ is wealthy and still relatively good health compared to others that have been fighting for as long as him. What have being the greatest (by popular opinion) gotten someone like Ali? Respect, sure, but I'm pretty sure he would take better health and more money over that respect any day. Just my look at it all. I'm sure I don't know what I'm talking about or I'm some type of "stan".

Exactly.

The man is 38 years old. He did all the weight class climbing years ago. Guys like Ali, Sugar Ray, ALL OF THEM, were finished by 34 at the latest and that's being generous. He's maintained the highest peak for the longest and to see him shut down Pac like that - to have dude go from being one the higher number of punches per round to the lowest- and get OUTPUNCHED by him... That's just hilarious. Had Mr Humility bitching, sayin he won, and making up shoulder injuries lol. All humility and nice guy shit GONE LMAO

 

[Brother Blues]

Not true. Maywesther could have easily moved to different weight classes to actually challenge better boxers. He basically is equal to a team like Bama playing in the sunbelt conference with a weak OOC schedule

Yeah,you right....he should move up to challenge Kovalev at light heavyweight.

Fuck it,why stop there...if he really wanted to satisfy others,why not go fight Klitschko?

Damn...he has not done anything.

Insert sarcasm face here...and face palm.

 

[exiledking]

there are sports in the US that are pretty much gladiator sports..Boxing, Football and Hockey. Sports where violence and injury is a part of the game. So as a spectator and fan of gladiator sports I don't watch them to see the athletes be safe. I get why Mayweather would be careful but its those slugfests and toe to toe battles with blood and snot flying thats most memorable and revered. Its those moments that create legends and myths. Think about it theres a reason why people remember some 30 years later the 3 bouts between ali and frazier particularly the last one or Hearns/Hagler.

Yeah. Problem is Hearns and Hagler can't remember the sentence they said a minute ago. Any young boxer watching the neglect and scorn, as well as the slim pockets these guys have and who's seen it closer than any of us has, has to learn. He did. I'm proud of him for that.

And let's not even mention the guys who had these kinds fights that none of us even remember. The ones we talk about are a tiny handful of guys who put it on the line in smaller gyms and sparring sessions for way less money. This is the shit someone like Floyd has seen much more than any of us. He mapped the game out and mastered it with a high level of boxing skill.

 

[ViCiouS]

This pretty much Su.s it up.

wtf?... now y'all are just talking out of your asses.

I dare any of you to name any 2 fighters that have been ranked #1 or 2 contenders in the 140, 147 and 154lb weight classes over the last 5 to 8 yrs that Floyd hasn't fought...

say the fight was boring or just admit that you know shit all about boxing or fighting in general... or just stfu and stop parroting ignorant propaganda

 

[ViCiouS]

there are sports in the US that are pretty much gladiator sports..Boxing, Football and Hockey. Sports where violence and injury is a part of the game. So as a spectator and fan of gladiator sports I don't watch them to see the athletes be safe. I get why Mayweather would be careful but its those slugfests and toe to toe battles with blood and snot flying thats most memorable and revered. Its those moments that create legends and myths. Think about it theres a reason why people remember some 30 years later the 3 bouts between ali and frazier particularly the last one or Hearns/Hagler.

its not a matter of Floyd being safe - all the matches you mentioned were with evenly skilled and talented opponents.

Floyds fights are boring because none of these other fighters are even close to being his equal... The man was cursed / blessed with being born in the wrong decade.

Ray Leonard, Julio Chavez, Pernell Whittaker, Roberto Duran - would have been epic opponents for Floyd

 

[exiledking]

its not a matter of Floyd being safe - all the matches you mentioned were with evenly skilled and talented opponents.



Floyds fights are boring because none of these other fighters are even close to being his equal... The man was cursed / blessed with being born in the wrong decade.



Ray Leonard, Julio Chavez, Pernell Whittaker, Roberto Duran - would have been epic opponents for Floyd

You said it better. Hats off