What Mayweather's legacy may be missing: THE WAR.

[Dragonfly Jones]

Nah, Shane wanted to fight him to early in Shane's career... Floyd needed him to get some more tread on his tire, so he fought him about 10 year too late for it to be a really competitive fight... Looks like he will be calling out Joel Casamayor or Mickie Ward once the Alvarez fight falls apart because Alvarez has freckles and red hair...

You do not know what the fuck you're talking about. Floyd asked to fight DLH, Mosely, Kosta, and Casamayor numerous times back in 98. Shane put him off because Floyd didn't bring in the money and wasn't worth it yet. Who has Floyd given a fight too that didn't earn it besides the Manny fiasco. Gatti, DLH, Hatton, Judah, Baldomir, Cotto, Ortiz, Guerrero, Marquez, and Mosely? All of them earned the fight and a lot of people thought he could lose to these fighters. After the fight when Floyd won all these bullshit excuses start about hand picking and he needs to fight ( insert any other name). Manny asked for a bunch of shit the first time with Floyd and Floyd agreed to it all. He asked for blood testing and Manny ducked and dodged til the fight didn't go through and everybody blamed Floyd. The second offer Floyd offered him $40 million to fight and Manny told him 50/50 and hung up. Manny hasn't made $40 million combined his last 4 fights.

Who has Manny fought that's any good coming off a win and not a loss, and not at a catch weight? Marquez and Tim Bradley that's it.

 

[Ming Fei Hong]

floyd has not transcended boxing...not in the least..he's the just face of boxing now....he's made little impact in mainstream culture..i don't see a floyd mayweather's punch out video game on the ps3 or him taking a stand against serious racial issues do you?

It's all relative. Tyson came before MMA came along. Boxing was much more of a mainstream/commercial entity back then than it is now. Floyd's doing bigger numbers than Tyson did in his prime at the peak of boxing's popularity. And since when is fighting racial issues a measure of an athlete's greatness in their sport? If that was a criteria, Bill Russell would be much more widely considered the NBA GOAT over Jordan. There's a reason he's the so-called "face" of boxing.

 

[Brother Blues]

I agree...mayweather pick fighters that he know he can beat!!..so as far to his legacy, he really don't have one!!..


but got rich, that's all!!..

Every boxer of note will pick a fighter they believe they can beat...

Please tell me the fighter that he avoided??...or who was the opponent he should have had a rivalry with??

The guy has been so good,and dominated his opponents so that there was no doubt a second fight would be different.

Anybody wanna see Ricky Hatton 2

These guys who want to see wars...go watch the Ward/Gatti trilogy,two inferior fighters banging on each other.

Love him or hate him,gotta accept Mayweather's greatness.

 

[dirtyd]

Foh with some PAC winning the first fight

PAC lost all his fights to Marquez but officially got his face planted to the mat where the judges couldn't rob Marquez

Exactly, PAC got his ass whooped and MAY would've frustrated his ass the entire fight by counter punching and using his defense.

All the talk of guys fighting evenly matched opponents is nice and rivalries make sports great but even talking about the guys people claim Mayweather "missed", no one claims any of them could have beat him, they just wanted to see the fights.
He's got HoFers on his list, he's got big, young, aggressive guys on his list, he's got multiple championships and incredible performances (anyone still thinking he had no heart were shut down after that 2nd round with Mosley). Floyd's legacy is secure and has been for a while. Now he's just establishing where he gets remembered.
I think that air with Ali, Sugar Ray (Robinson and Leonard) might be out of reach but he'll be remembered as an all timer, even if someone slips that first loss on him before he retires.

Boy Dave be sounding like your uncle dropping old school knowledge bombs


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[patscorpio]

It's all relative. Tyson came before MMA came along. Boxing was much more of a mainstream/commercial entity back then than it is now. Floyd's doing bigger numbers than Tyson did in his prime at the peak of boxing's popularity. And since when is fighting racial issues a measure of an athlete's greatness in their sport? If that was a criteria, Bill Russell would be much more widely considered the NBA GOAT over Jordan. There's a reason he's the so-called "face" of boxing.

im arguing against floyd transcending boxing from a comment someone said about him, ali, and tyson transcending boxing..not floyd's place within boxing

 

[World B Free]

It's also MISSING a LOSS!!!!!!!

 

[IT IS WHAT IT IS]

You do not know what the fuck you're talking about. Floyd asked to fight DLH, Mosely, Kosta, and Casamayor numerous times back in 98. Shane put him off because Floyd didn't bring in the money and wasn't worth it yet. Who has Floyd given a fight too that didn't earn it besides the Manny fiasco. Gatti, DLH, Hatton, Judah, Baldomir, Cotto, Ortiz, Guerrero, Marquez, and Mosely? All of them earned the fight and a lot of people thought he could lose to these fighters. After the fight when Floyd won all these bullshit excuses start about hand picking and he needs to fight ( insert any other name). Manny asked for a bunch of shit the first time with Floyd and Floyd agreed to it all. He asked for blood testing and Manny ducked and dodged til the fight didn't go through and everybody blamed Floyd. The second offer Floyd offered him $40 million to fight and Manny told him 50/50 and hung up. Manny hasn't made $40 million combined his last 4 fights.

Who has Manny fought that's any good coming off a win and not a loss, and not at a catch weight? Marquez and Tim Bradley that's it.

Typical... In history a lot of fighters 'call' out other fighters, but behind closed doors don't push for the shit to happen... So, he called Oscar out, Oscar declined, made more money than almost any other fighter in his career, THEN when his skills diminished he decides to fight Floyd? Yeah, Floyd really went out of his way to make that fight happen when Oscar was in his prime...

Secondly, Typical Stan deflection, bring up Manny to deflect the focus from Floyd, and Manny has NOTHING to do with this thread... Pitiful

 

[Ming Fei Hong]

im arguing against floyd transcending boxing from a comment someone said about him, ali, and tyson transcending boxing..not floyd's place within boxing

That's what I'm saying. Relatively speaking, Floyd HAS transcended boxing by today's standards. You're comparing him to past champions who reigned in eras when boxing itself was more transcendent into mainstream culture.

 

[Upgrade Dave]

floyd has not transcended boxing...not in the least..he's the just face of boxing now....he's made little impact in mainstream culture..i don't see a floyd mayweather's punch out video game on the ps3 or him taking a stand against serious racial issues do you? floyd's legacy if he doesn't fight pacquiao will be that..he never fought pacquiao

He sells a million ppvs against releative unknowns. He's been on several mainstream shows like Dancing with the Stars, WrestleMania (another million seller but Mania does that nearly every year). Hell, I didn't even know Chili from TLC had a show until Floyd Mayweather was on it.
When Floyd Mayweather has a fight, boxing goes from the More section of Yahoo! Sports to the main section with the NBA and NFL.
Ali was special. Tyson came along in the 80s when everything was overblown. So those two might be high standards but Floyd has made himself a A list star.

No one wants to say it, but nostalgia plays a large part in how many past fighters are remembered. Some old heads will simply never concede that a younger fighter after their generation of greats is as great or greater than those past fighters. There's more that goes into a fighter's perceived greatness than what they achieved in the ring and/or who they went to "war" with. Mayweather is far beyond having cemented his legacy as a boxing great. If he was white,the media would be hailing him as the new Rocky Marciano. Mayweather's image and antics have more to do with why he's so widely panned--by the public/press--than his actual boxing acumen. This man not being dumb enough to get into slugfests with fighters--risking post-fighting brain damage--makes his achievement even greater than fighters who get the credit he deserves,but have ended fights fast asleep.

You do not know what the fuck you're talking about. Floyd asked to fight DLH, Mosely, Kosta, and Casamayor numerous times back in 98. Shane put him off because Floyd didn't bring in the money and wasn't worth it yet. Who has Floyd given a fight too that didn't earn it besides the Manny fiasco. Gatti, DLH, Hatton, Judah, Baldomir, Cotto, Ortiz, Guerrero, Marquez, and Mosely? All of them earned the fight and a lot of people thought he could lose to these fighters. After the fight when Floyd won all these bullshit excuses start about hand picking and he needs to fight ( insert any other name). Manny asked for a bunch of shit the first time with Floyd and Floyd agreed to it all. He asked for blood testing and Manny ducked and dodged til the fight didn't go through and everybody blamed Floyd. The second offer Floyd offered him $40 million to fight and Manny told him 50/50 and hung up. Manny hasn't made $40 million combined his last 4 fights.

I agree with most of this but I don't think anyone thought he would lose to Gatti, Judah, Baldomir, Ortiz, or Marquez. The intrigue in those fights was to see how he would handle a blood and guts brawler (Gatti), the one guy who might be faster than him (Judah), a much bigger journeyman, a highly skilled guy (JMM), and a big, strong, aggressive southpaw. He shined in every one.

Boy Dave be sounding like your uncle dropping old school knowledge bombs


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Typical... In history a lot of fighters 'call' out other fighters, but behind closed doors don't push for the shit to happen... So, he called Oscar out, Oscar declined, made more money than almost any other fighter in his career, THEN when his skills diminished he decides to fight Floyd? Yeah, Floyd really went out of his way to make that fight happen when Oscar was in his prime...

Secondly, Typical Stan deflection, bring up Manny to deflect the focus from Floyd, and Manny has NOTHING to do with this thread... Pitiful

C'mon bruh. He didn't have the juice to make any of those fights if the other guys, who were bigger stars at that point, didn't want the fight. Tsyzu lost to Hatton and retired instead of fighting Mayweather.
In his last fight, Oscar had just knocked out Richaro Mayorga in 5, so he might not have been at his peak but let's not pretend he was ready to retire when they fought.

 

[Nzinga]

The only boxer in my opinion that
gave Money a tough time was with Juan Luis Castillo

Because in the first fight, the stupid referee let Castillo hold with one hand
and beat Floyd with other. The judges were neither fooled nor impressed
gave Mayweather the fight by wide margins

 

[kes1111]

What Roy Jones Jr. fight is worth viewing over and over?

 

[Zyin]

no need
he solid = no comp

 

[bgbtylvr]

I agree with you. It's the excitement that is missing and that might be the point. In other words, once Mayweather stops fighting, his legacy will also evaporate. You can't point to one Mayweather fight that is worth watching over and over.

Mayweather vs Gatti. He dismantled De la Hoya and made him speak fluent English. The Hatton knockout!

 

[Ming Fei Hong]

Mayweather vs Gatti. He dismantled De la Hoya and made him speak fluent English. The Hatton knockout!

 

[geechiedan]

bump

 

[MrBee]

this...

...and this.

yuuuuup

 

[Spectrum]

The only boxer in my opinion that
gave Money a tough time was with Juan Luis Castillo

This is true. He came back and beat Castillo's ass though.

However, the one thing that people don't talk about is that Floyd had a shoulder injury (left) so he couldn't throw the jab...which had two effects... Castillo could come in and floyd never really could throw his lead right (which he uses the left jab to set up).

People always make a mistake and use that fight as a blueprint to fight Floyd (charging in)...not realizing the full situation there.

 

[geechiedan]

bump

 

[da_monumental_1]

What Roy Jones Jr. fight is worth viewing over and over?

That shellacking he gave to Jamaican Richard Hall, even though both failed their post-fight drug tests.

 

[geechiedan]

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[bgbtylvr]

By this logic, most fighters are missing a war. Tyson never had one. The only fight I watch again is against Buster Douglas. Mayweather vs Canelo was a clinic. Watch it again. Jones vs Toney. Floyd wins so convincingly that it never warrants a rematch. That's the most important point! Floyd fought warriors and made them look amateur or retire. He ends legacies, hopes and dreams by being so good you doubt your entire record before fighting him. Just sayin.

 

[Mello Mello]

That's the problem with this era of fighting for Floyd. He's too good at what he does. There hasn't been a opponent to match Floyd's mastery to put him in any real trouble positions where he may actually lose a fight or win narrowly. Save Castillo.

Floyd's defensive style prevents him from engaging in a battle the fans would like to see. The most recent fight of Floyd's I was excited about seeing because I thought it might be a war was with Zab. Zab could match his speed.

Only way we will ever see a war is when Floyd gets old and a younger quicker fighter comes along to wear him down.




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[crazyace718]

Why Shane didn't fight him or did Floyd duck him?

 

[ballscout1]

No he shouldn't have. If that fight got made (do people forget Bob Arum would have to want that fight too? Has he matched any of his fighters with Floyd?), Floyd should do his best to put Manny away.
I don't get people wanting fighters to "orchestrate" anything.







All true

but
ESPN does show classic fights on ESPN Classic all the time.

I was talking more wide world of sports. ..cbs sports saturday ect...friday night fights ect

Now everything is ppv....before great fights and great fighters came on tv and people thst won't pay still watched

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[ballscout1]

I hate the sound of crickets......

One other thing..why are they saying mayweather fought diminished fighters but pacman fought them after mayweather but that was all good...

I guess it is what it is

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[Chico Fontane]

Nah, Shane wanted to fight him to early in Shane's career... Floyd needed him to get some more tread on his tire, so he fought him about 10 year too late for it to be a really competitive fight...

100% incorrect bullshit

 

[Chico Fontane]

I hate the sound of crickets......

One other thing..why are they saying mayweather fought diminished fighters but pacman fought them after mayweather but that was all good...

I guess it is what it is

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Most Floyd haters I know are cacs or self hating coons, but yeah I guess it is what it is.

 

[pullcounter]

Some of yall part time boxing fans need a real education in the sport. Floyd was trying to fight Shane when he was at 135 and said he was willing to move up to 147 to fight Shane. At the time, Floyd was high risk low reward. Shane chose to fight Oscar instead for obvious reasons. That's not Floyd waiting til Shane got old so yall can stop with that bullshit.

Also, how does Floyd get knocked for fighting the toughest fighters available to him AT THAT TIME. His last 7 or 8 fights he has been fighting guys that are coming off major wins who people see as a legitimate threat to him. This is why his fights do well in PPV because people think he has a chance to lose. Revisionist history after Floyd makes easy work of them makes yall call them bums.

But yet, Pac gets credit for constantly fighting guys coming off losses, catchweights, vacant titles, etc.... The last 6 years of Pacs career is completely fraudulent. But you part time Larry Merchant, Jim Lampley loving fan boys feed into the bullshit.

 

[HeathCliff]

100% incorrect bullshit

 

[pullcounter]

By the way, if yall want to see Floyd in a war, here you go... Most of you just started paying attention to boxing because of Pac.

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bxIX_cnCK4U

 

[8/11Streetz]

No one wants to say it, but nostalgia plays a large part in how many past fighters are remembered. Some old heads will simply never concede that a younger fighter after their generation of greats is as great or greater than those past fighters. There's more that goes into a fighter's perceived greatness than what they achieved in the ring and/or who they went to "war" with. Mayweather is far beyond having cemented his legacy as a boxing great. If he was white,the media would be hailing him as the new Rocky Marciano. Mayweather's image and antics have more to do with why he's so widely panned--by the public/press--than his actual boxing acumen. This man not being dumb enough to get into slugfests with fighters--risking post-fighting brain damage--makes his achievement even greater than fighters who get the credit he deserves,but have ended fights fast asleep.

if he was white we probably wouldnt be having this conversation......

 

[8/11Streetz]

Some of yall part time boxing fans need a real education in the sport. Floyd was trying to fight Shane when he was at 135 and said he was willing to move up to 147 to fight Shane. At the time, Floyd was high risk low reward. Shane chose to fight Oscar instead for obvious reasons. That's not Floyd waiting til Shane got old so yall can stop with that bullshit.

Also, how does Floyd get knocked for fighting the toughest fighters available to him AT THAT TIME. His last 7 or 8 fights he has been fighting guys that are coming off major wins who people see as a legitimate threat to him. This is why his fights do well in PPV because people think he has a chance to lose. Revisionist history after Floyd makes easy work of them makes yall call them bums.

But yet, Pac gets credit for constantly fighting guys coming off losses, catchweights, vacant titles, etc.... The last 6 years of Pacs career is completely fraudulent. But you part time Larry Merchant, Jim Lampley loving fan boys feed into the bullshit.

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[Dragonfly Jones]

Nah, Shane wanted to fight him to early in Shane's career... Floyd needed him to get some more tread on his tire, so he fought him about 10 year too late for it to be a really competitive fight... Looks like he will be calling out Joel Casamayor or Mickie Ward once the Alvarez fight falls apart because Alvarez has freckles and red hair...

Funny how people create bullshit rumors of ducking. He called Shane, Oscar, and Kosta out way before he became money.

 

[Ruff Ryder]

 

[rundatrack]

He chooses his fights carefully. Not that he ducks but at the end of the day. They want you to war no matter what your health is. They did Ali dirty as fuck at the end against holmes so fuck them. Fan just are not going to see it.

Don't blame him so late in his career to just cruise quite honestly.