What Mayweather's legacy may be missing: THE WAR.

[pullcounter]

He chooses his fights carefully. Not that he ducks but at the end of the day. They want you to war no matter what your health is. They did Ali dirty as fuck at the end against holmes so fuck them. Fan just are not going to see it.

Don't blame him so late in his career to just cruise quite honestly.

It's this logic that baffles me.... Yes he chooses his fights carefully, he chooses the toughest fights available at that time.

Was Canelo not the right fight?
Guerrero was on a massive win streak and he had just demolished Berto. Not to mention, he dropped every single fighter he faced at least once.
Fighting Cotto at 154, was that not impressive?
Fight Victor Ortiz after he just came off a big win against Berto. Ortiz came into that fight 16 lbs heavier than Floyd.
Shane Moseley, he had just demolished Margarito and was on top of the world. What was wrong with that fight?
He comes back from a two year hiatus and fights the #3 lb for lb in the world in Marquez. People complain because he weighed 2 lbs. more than Marquez. Hilarious.

 

[casmaksen]

By the way, if yall want to see Floyd in a war, here you go... Most of you just started paying attention to boxing because of Pac.

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I was just about to post that same fight
I'm pretty sure this is the fight that inspired the following Quote:


"Most people who aren't Mayweather fans consider him to be a pure punk, he's a talented coward the way they see it, and I disagree with that. I think this kid can rumble, I think he can stand in there and rumble a little bit. My impression of the fight? Shane's gonna come out and hit Floyd in the mouth, and Floyd is gonna sprout a tail, grow wings, draw fangs and claws and turn into a Dragon in the ring; And he'll start spittin fire balls." - Nazim Richardson

 

[HeathCliff]

It's this logic that baffles me.... Yes he chooses his fights carefully, he chooses the toughest fights available at that time.

Was Canelo not the right fight?
Guerrero was on a massive win streak and he had just demolished Berto. Not to mention, he dropped every single fighter he faced at least once.
Fighting Cotto at 154, was that not impressive?
Fight Victor Ortiz after he just came off a big win against Berto. Ortiz came into that fight 16 lbs heavier than Floyd.
Shane Moseley, he had just demolished Margarito and was on top of the world. What was wrong with that fight?
He comes back from a two year hiatus and fights the #3 lb for lb in the world in Marquez. People complain because he weighed 2 lbs. more than Marquez. Hilarious.

Indeed it is

 

[Mentor B]

The only people worth Floyd's time is Marcos Maidana, Amir Khan, and Erislandy Lara.

It just so happens that Maidana earned himself a fight by winning against an defeated champ, Broner.

I don't know what more some of you niggas want. He is fighting the best. Competition in this era has proven not to be formidable enough for the phenomenal Mayweather.

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[Ming Fei Hong]

 

[bgbtylvr]

Re: What Mayweather's legacy may be missing: THE WAR.it

By the way, if yall want to see Floyd in a war, here you go... Most of you just started paying attention to boxing because of Pac.

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A motherfuckin clinic with a broken hand!!!! Kats just wanna hate this dude.

 

[bgbtylvr]

Basically. Not chance.

 

[Upgrade Dave]

The only people worth Floyd's time is Marcos Maidana, Amir Khan, and Erislandy Lara.

It just so happens that Maidana earned himself a fight by winning against an defeated champ, Broner.

I don't know what more some of you niggas want. He is fighting the best. Competition in this era has proven not to be formidable enough for the phenomenal Mayweather.

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These two have a chance to get in that Mayweather sweepstakes. All they have to do is win their next fights. Khan especially is set up for the Sept fight but Collazo isn't going to lay down for him.

 

[Blackmayne]

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[bgbtylvr]

Lara has the best chance skill wise. Martinez has the hardest Punch if remaining contenders. Maidana has the brawler advantage-which is actually a disadvantage.

 

[Upgrade Dave]

Lara has the best chance skill wise. Martinez has the hardest Punch if remaining contenders. Maidana has the brawler advantage-which is actually a disadvantage.

I'll have to wait and see if Martinez has much left after the Cotto fight. But unless he's coming back to jr middleweight, it doesn't matter.
If Cotto strings together another couple big wins, he might get his name back in the hat for another run (as long as he's not re-signed with Top Rank).

 

[Mentor B]

Lara has the best chance skill wise. Martinez has the hardest Punch if remaining contenders. Maidana has the brawler advantage-which is actually a disadvantage.

Yes! They way Maidana punches reminds me of Shawn Porter's style. And Mayweather specializes in overcoming all that bullshit. He's a technician in the ring.

 

[Lower9Nupe]

Mayweather vs Gatti. He dismantled De la Hoya and made him speak fluent English. The Hatton knockout!

Oscar went to a photo shoot after the fight. Against Manny he went to the hospital.

 

[Nzinga]

The only boxer in my opinion that
gave Money a tough time was with Juan Luis Castillo

The ref let that bitch get away with murder. He grabbed with one hand,
pinned Floyd along the ropes, and pummeled away with the other hand.

 

[Ruff Ryder]

Don't mean shit, Mayweather should have done it.

He is gonna be known as dodging Pac to his detractors.

 

[Lower9Nupe]

Don't mean shit, Mayweather should have done it.

And that's what makes me laugh....typical. Living off another dudes accomplishments. Floyd has a cyber entourage and shit.

 

[Better]

Don't mean shit, Mayweather should have done it.

He is gonna be known as dodging Pac to his detractors.

Name a great who DON'T have detractors?

It comes with the territory.

 

[geechiedan]

No one wants to say it, but nostalgia plays a large part in how many past fighters are remembered. Some old heads will simply never concede that a younger fighter after their generation of greats is as great or greater than those past fighters. There's more that goes into a fighter's perceived greatness than what they achieved in the ring and/or who they went to "war" with. Mayweather is far beyond having cemented his legacy as a boxing great. If he was white,the media would be hailing him as the new Rocky Marciano. Mayweather's image and antics have more to do with why he's so widely panned--by the public/press--than his actual boxing acumen. This man not being dumb enough to get into slugfests with fighters--risking post-fighting brain damage--makes his achievement even greater than fighters who get the credit he deserves,but have ended fights fast asleep.

there are sports in the US that are pretty much gladiator sports..Boxing, Football and Hockey. Sports where violence and injury is a part of the game. So as a spectator and fan of gladiator sports I don't watch them to see the athletes be safe. I get why Mayweather would be careful but its those slugfests and toe to toe battles with blood and snot flying thats most memorable and revered. Its those moments that create legends and myths. Think about it theres a reason why people remember some 30 years later the 3 bouts between ali and frazier particularly the last one or Hearns/Hagler.

 

[Mask]

Went they the whole thread...very curious to where some folks get their information from ...
Maybe they know the truth but twist it just because...

 

[jagu]

The only boxer in my opinion that
gave Money a tough time was with Juan Luis Castillo

That's the kind of fight we'll see next week.

 

[Upgrade Dave]

Oscar went to a photo shoot after the fight. Against Manny he went to the hospital.

And it was still a W for both.
Floyd fought Oscar at Oscar's weight while Manny got that dumb ass to come down to his.

Don't mean shit, Mayweather should have done it.

He is gonna be known as dodging Pac to his detractors.

So? Even if he fought Manny now and won, those same people would decide Manny was now "shot" and Floyd waited until he was beat up to fight him.
Since there is no pleasing those people why should Mayweather care what they think?

 

[Lower9Nupe]

And it was still a W for both.
Floyd fought Oscar at Oscar's weight while Manny got that dumb ass to come down to his.



So? Even if he fought Manny now and won, those same people would decide Manny was now "shot" and Floyd waited until he was beat up to fight him.
Since there is no pleasing those people why should Mayweather care what they think?

Oscar? Hospital. Cotto? Hospital. Hatton? Hospital. Marguerito? Hospital. Marquez (Even after he knocked him out) Hospital. Floyd? Hatton.

I mean shit....ya'll can hang your hat on the sweet science pussy ass shit all you want SO THAT you can mention Floyd's name in the same breath as Hearns, Leonard, etc. He's undefeated. Who gives a fuck. Beat the niggas ass you can't stop talking about....

 

[geechiedan]

even his all access documentary says that Mayweather LACKS a proper ANTAGONIST.. thats a war ya'll..

Thats Frazier for Ali

Thats Hearns for Suger Ray..

when its all said and done are people going to say..

MAYWEATHER and _________ man! That was a fight for the ages!!!

no has said it so far..

 

[pullcounter]

Oscar went to a photo shoot after the fight. Against Manny he went to the hospital.

We're making comparisons now? Floyd fought Oscar at his true weight of 154. Manny fought him at 147 with a rehydration clause. Freddy roached noticed the needle marks in his arm before the fight because he took an IV for dehydration. Manny = smoke and mirrors my man... Smoke and mirrors. Get educated!

 

[pullcounter]

Oscar? Hospital. Cotto? Hospital. Hatton? Hospital. Marguerito? Hospital. Marquez (Even after he knocked him out) Hospital. Floyd? Hatton.

I mean shit....ya'll can hang your hat on the sweet science pussy ass shit all you want SO THAT you can mention Floyd's name in the same breath as Hearns, Leonard, etc. He's undefeated. Who gives a fuck. Beat the niggas ass you can't stop talking about....

Maaaaaan... Look at the fights you listed... This is precisely when the fraud career of Pac was born... I already exposed the Oscar fight in my previous post

Cotto, preyed on by Freddie Roach.. Taking this fight after he had been illegally brutalized by Margacheato. Cotto was a broken fighter at the time... Again, Floyd fought him at his natural weight of 154.. Not the catchweight of 145 Pac imposed on him.

Hatton, Floyd already took whatever he had left when he knocked him out. Not to mention, he was using a new trainer for the first time. His life was already spiraling out of control. Again, preying on damaged fighters.

Margarito, no bigger example of a fraud ass fight. He fights this man for a vacant 154 title at a damn catchweight of 150 AFTER he had come off a year long suspension and fought to a draw against some unknown journeyman. He didn't even deserve the fight. Which made him the PERFECT opponent for Manny.

Freddie Roach and Bob Arum have conned the hell out of you cats.

 

[Ming Fei Hong]

Oscar went to a photo shoot after the fight. Against Manny he went to the hospital.

Manny fought Oscar AFTER Mayweather had already beaten, dehydrated at a low catch weight and a year older... but nice try.

Don't mean shit, Mayweather should have done it.

He is gonna be known as dodging Pac to his detractors.

Bullshit. He's only going to be known as such by a fringe group of salty faggots with axes to grind.

there are sports in the US that are pretty much gladiator sports..Boxing, Football and Hockey. Sports where violence and injury is a part of the game. So as a spectator and fan of gladiator sports I don't watch them to see the athletes be safe. I get why Mayweather would be careful but its those slugfests and toe to toe battles with blood and snot flying thats most memorable and revered. Its those moments that create legends and myths. Think about it theres a reason why people remember some 30 years later the 3 bouts between ali and frazier particularly the last one or Hearns/Hagler.

Frazier died relatively young and Ali has Parkinson's. Those gladiator fans are selfish and stupid if the favor slugfests over the sweet science.

 

[geechiedan]

Manny fought Oscar AFTER Mayweather had already beaten, dehydrated at a low catch weight and a year older... but nice try.

Bullshit. He's only going to be known as such by a fringe group of salty faggots with axes to grind.

Frazier died relatively young and Ali has Parkinson's. Those gladiator fans are selfish and stupid if the favor slugfests over the sweet science.

Sugar Ray lost vision in one eye to boxing. Broken jaws and noses and repeated blows to the head in general have a lasting affect. That science isn't as sweet as you think..

 

[Ming Fei Hong]

Sugar Ray lost vision in one eye to boxing. Broken jaws and noses and repeated blows to the head in general have a lasting affect. That science isn't as sweet as you think..

You're making my point. Sugar Ray took repeated blows to the head and got into slugfests... unlike Floyd Mayweather Jr. The science IS as sweet as I think it is, when executed with excellence.

 

[geechiedan]

You're making my point. Sugar Ray took repeated blows to the head and got into slugfests... unlike Floyd Mayweather Jr. The science IS as sweet as I think it is, when executed with excellence.

okay but Sugar Rays legend is still bigger than Floyd.. its those slugfests thats cemented his warrior's myth.

seriously if mayweather retired right now...what fights have he had that will get recalled even by fair weather fight fans as great wars 20 years from now??

 

[Rollie_Fingaz]

By this logic, most fighters are missing a war. Tyson never had one. The only fight I watch again is against Buster Douglas. Mayweather vs Canelo was a clinic. Watch it again. Jones vs Toney. Floyd wins so convincingly that it never warrants a rematch. That's the most important point! Floyd fought warriors and made them look amateur or retire. He ends legacies, hopes and dreams by being so good you doubt your entire record before fighting him. Just sayin.

Tyson had the Ruddock fights.

 

[exiledking]

No one wants to say it, but nostalgia plays a large part in how many past fighters are remembered. Some old heads will simply never concede that a younger fighter after their generation of greats is as great or greater than those past fighters. There's more that goes into a fighter's perceived greatness than what they achieved in the ring and/or who they went to "war" with. Mayweather is far beyond having cemented his legacy as a boxing great. If he was white,the media would be hailing him as the new Rocky Marciano. Mayweather's image and antics have more to do with why he's so widely panned--by the public/press--than his actual boxing acumen. This man not being dumb enough to get into slugfests with fighters--risking post-fighting brain damage--makes his achievement even greater than fighters who get the credit he deserves,but have ended fights fast asleep.

been saying it for years. Athletes get BETTER overtime, not worse with the benefit of learning rom their forefathers and better technology.

People want Floyd to be in a war when truth is, he does the war with himSELF when he's training. He shows up prepared, and he's gifted.

The war happens before any of us ever see it, which is why he doesn't need to have his brains beat in for our entertainment.

Was it not enough to see Muhammad Ali in the state he's in? Listening to old fighters slurring away and falling asleep in interviews?

Boxing fans are strange folk man. I think it's great what Floyd has accomplished in and out of the ring, and some of you may remember how I used to slander him when he seemed to be slacking. I was wrong. He's one of the greatest if not THE greatest.

 

[HeathCliff]

Frazier died relatively young and Ali has Parkinson's. Those gladiator fans are selfish and stupid if the favor slugfests over the sweet science.

You're making my point. Sugar Ray took repeated blows to the head and got into slugfests... unlike Floyd Mayweather Jr. The science IS as sweet as I think it is, when executed with excellence.

Good points

 

[actinanass]

I think his hardest fight will be against Keith Thurman if they ever fight.

I don't think Keith would win, but I think that would be an entertaining fight nevertheless.

 

[geechiedan]

been saying it for years. Athletes get BETTER overtime, not worse with the benefit of learning rom their forefathers and better technology.

People want Floyd to be in a war when truth is, he does the war with himSELF when he's training. He shows up prepared, and he's gifted.

The war happens before any of us ever see it, which is why he doesn't need to have his brains beat in for our entertainment.

Was it not enough to see Muhammad Ali in the state he's in? Listening to old fighters slurring away and falling asleep in interviews?

Boxing fans are strange folk man. I think it's great what Floyd has accomplished in and out of the ring, and some of you may remember how I used to slander him when he seemed to be slacking. I was wrong. He's one of the greatest if not THE greatest.

cmon now gladiators are gladiators..you'll want boxers to be safe meanwhile football players are killing themselves from suffering under long term pain and early onset dementia for taking those same kind of hard hits to the head and body and we ALL cheer that shit and NO ONE is saying football needs to be safer..in fact if they came up with rules against hard hits or players started playing more "safely" ya'll'd complain that the sport was being nurtured.

I repeat the question: If mayweather retired right now...what fights have he had that will get recalled even by fair weather fight fans as great wars 20 years from now??

 

[exiledking]

cmon now gladiators are gladiators..you'll want boxers to be safe meanwhile football players are killing themselves from suffering under long term pain and early onset dementia for taking those same kind of hard hits to the head and body and we ALL cheer that shit and NO ONE is saying football needs to be safer..in fact if they came up with rules against hard hits or players started playing more "safely" ya'll'd complain that the sport was being nurtured.

I repeat the question: If mayweather retired right now...what fights have he had that will get recalled even by fair weather fight fans as great wars 20 years from now??

Why would you assume I think football players who get fucked in the head is ok?

People ARE changing the rules in football, and if you notice, more and more people who actually know the damage caused from those bangs are discouraging their kids from playing that shit.


As for your last question, Floyd will be known for being Floyd, not for being in wars.

Tyson lost wars, but people still only remember him for his dominance when he had it.

Lennox Lewis never really had wars either. Got beat by some guys, and avenged his losses.

I don't know what wars Joe Louis was in, cuz I don't know THAT much about him, but I know who he is.

Jack Johnson too. Don't think he had any wars. He dominated them CACs. That's why I know him.

Don't know if rocky Marciano ever got in a war, but I know him.


Sugar Ray Leonard's war with hafler if you can call it that, isn't my favorite fight of his. I like him and remember him because he was fast and a great fighter.


You've set up this whole premise as if someone needs to come close to losing I order to be remembered when a ya need to be is great. Floyd is that.