What is the Black Position on Illegal Immigration ???
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Temujin - do you know how England deters illegals from entering the UK from the fuckin Chunnel? barbwire and armed guards and there's a fuckin refugee camp on the french side - the people are so fuckin desperate they will fuckin die in the chunnel tryin to get to england
allowing the world to immigrate to better nations is not the answer to what drives people to come here
why pursue a small bandaid fix for a problem that wont end ? why not solve the true problem with corrupt world politics, corrupt central american governments supported by the US that fuck over the inhabitants so bad they all wanna come here?
What would happen if 11 million mexicans marched for their economic rights in Mexico? - and i still dont dig shitting on black people to give these hispanics a pass- i havent heard you touch that one at all
allowing the world to immigrate to better nations is not the answer to what drives people to come here
why pursue a small bandaid fix for a problem that wont end ? why not solve the true problem with corrupt world politics, corrupt central american governments supported by the US that fuck over the inhabitants so bad they all wanna come here?
What would happen if 11 million mexicans marched for their economic rights in Mexico? - and i still dont dig shitting on black people to give these hispanics a pass- i havent heard you touch that one at all
Makkonnen said:
Like I said before. I don't agree with the immigration laws as they stand period. I think they should be changed for everyone. Across the board I would like to see immigrants having easier access to American citizenship. In addition I would like to see increased punishment on corporations that hire illegals. I am not in favor of mass deportation which is what enforcing the current laws would mean. Whether Amnesty for illegals already here is fair is not an issue with me. I would like to see all illegal immigrants whether they are from Africa or Latin America get an opportunity to be here legally if they have proven the desire to be part of our econmy.
You have to also realize that the laws of our country do not apply to non-citizens just like the laws of Brazil don't apply to you until you step foot in Brazil. The worse we can do to these people for violating immigration laws is deport them. Deportation is not a logical or viable option so why even discuss the fairness of enforcing these laws. The immigration laws are garbage I wouldn't suggest enforcing them any more than I would suggest enforcing the Dawes act or Jim Crow. For latinos, Africans or asians. Outdated ineffective laws don't need to be more stringently enforced they need to be abolished and changed. I don't see how supporting the stronger enforcement of a system that only helps U.S. corporations helps people.
Makkonnen said:
I don't see how changing immigration laws to allow for easier access to the American Economy is shitting on black people. It seems like the immigrants from Haiti and Africa would be helped by this but maybe your talking about something else. If anything I'm trying to shit on white people by making them the minority. I explained how the black worker will actually be helped by amnesty. He will not be fighting for a 5/hr job with someone who they can pay 3. He will be competing with a citizen who must also make 5 it is now a real competition.
Don't you see that if people are willing to die to leave their country a higher fence will not stop them. You cannot stop people from migrating to a country if the need to migrate is strong enough. When someone puts an economic bullet (like the starvation of your family) or a real gun to your head you are going to move period. All your laws all your fences all your barbed wire will not stop it.
You have to realize the free movement of resources is what capitalism is built on. People move to our country because our companies will hire them. If our companies didn't hire them they would not come. Starving in America is not better then starving in Mexico.
temujin is speaking through emotions. his arguments don't make sense because in the long run if his theory is adopted, we will havvve more illegal aliens than citizens. they should be deported in my opinion because they broke the law to get here and its hurting every hard working person that pays taxes (like me). i want them the fuck out of my pocket. simply.
temujin is speaking through emotions. his arguments don't make sense because in the long run if his theory is adopted, we will have more illegal aliens than citizens. they should be deported in my opinion because they broke the law to get here and its hurting every hard working person that pays taxes (like me). i want them the fuck out of my pocket. simply.
cmon man ive stated all my objections clearly and you are just not addressing them because it doesnt serve your endsTemujin said:
How does allowing millions of mostly hispanic illegal aliens help haitians and africans that are waiting in line for visas?
I contend that every single work visa applicant be approved prior to legitimizing one law breaking criminal.
Its shitting on black people when hispanic illegals are given a pass and not actively deterred but Haitians are pursued like terrorists and turned away in international waters
Its obvious you are biased toward the hispanic side because of your business interests. There are many worse off people in the world who will never benefit from this amnesty program because they can't just run accross a freeway or hop a fence. Your plea for the economically disadvantaged people seems false considering that life in Mexico is considerably better than many places in Africa, South America and Haiti not to mention Asia. If your concern is for the economically desperate why not allow millions of the poor from those poorest nations to immigrate before 2nd world mexicans?????????????????????
GhostofMarcus said:
Bush said you can't round up Mexicans and send them back. Seems to me it's YOU who is listening to Bush because you are saying what he is saying. I'm saying post 9/11 protect the boarders better than then are, and don't allow politicians to re-write immigration laws in favor of a people who's only role here is to work the farms during the growth season. They get paid for what they do and that ends the relationship. Go the fuck back home.
Don't run up in my country, and yes it is mine too, and announce "fuck your laws, fuck your constitution, I want rights I don't get in Mexico" and expect me to roll over. I can't do that. It's not right, it's not fair and it violates the law. Don't come with the republican bullshit line because I agree that Black people are law abiding people. We are also too soft at times when it comes to protection of what is ours. We allow thugs and dope runners to fuck up our communities where our parents live. They can't walk to the store without being run over by punks. Then expect to be respected by other communities as men.
Its not like you don't know this already but the moment a brother reminds us of what we should be about, we gots to be republican or white. I'm not white, never been and don't want to be. But a lot of my ancestors died here to make it possible for me to vote, attend school and raise a family. I'll be damn if I'll stand by and watch a process dismantle our future so a white politician can keep his fuckin' job as savior to Black people.
-VG
VegasGuy said:
I don't think they go back after the growing season.
Did not know own future progress depended on weather mexicans are legal or illegal. Our future progress depends on black people and black people alone, period.
I'll be damn if I'll stand by and watch a process dismantle our future so a white politician can keep his fuckin' job as savior to Black people.
I have no idea what you talking about here.
How is illegal mexicans dismantling our future?
You are putting our people real low.
How can the white politician be a savior of black people by keeping his job? Also fuck politicians.
Blacks split on support for illegal immigrants
Blacks split on support for illegal immigrants
Many are backers, but fight for jobs spurs foes
By Oscar Avila
Published April 23, 2006
When more than 100,000 protesters marched through the streets of Chicago to support illegal immigrants, Rev. Gregory Daniels and other African-American leaders took notice.
Daniels is trying to mobilize his own community, matching workers with jobs that pay well. In his Englewood office, he has mounted poster boards with lists of workers he has connected to construction jobs at Donald Trump's new building and other sites.
He's sympathetic to the marchers, but Daniels says illegal immigrants undercut Englewood residents by flooding the market with workers willing to take less money.
"Let me tell you what the mind-set of the African-American is when they see those marches: `They are here to replace us,'" Daniels said. "We've got to be careful because I don't want to see an eruption between the blacks and the browns over the immigration issue."
As Mexicans and other immigrants around the U.S. mobilize for greater rights, increasingly employing the tone and tactics of the 1960s civil rights movement, African-Americans have profound disagreements about where they belong in the debate.
In Chicago, the Rainbow/PUSH Coalition, the Nation of Islam and the Association of Community Organizations for Reform Now, which traditionally has targeted black neighborhoods, all have backed a May 1 march for legalization, saying the plight of any marginalized worker should concern the black community.
In the editorial pages of black newspapers and in neighborhood conversations, however, a growing segment of African-Americans is raising doubts about supporting immigrants, especially lawbreakers, who are often competitors for low-wage jobs.
Immigrants and lower wages
Researchers have identified a link between increased immigration and unemployment and falling wages among some U.S.-born workers. The burden falls disproportionately on those with lower education levels, including many African-Americans and legal immigrants.
Some think the solution is to reduce the number of illegal immigrants working here, but others believe that the route to better pay for all is to make more immigrants legal.
The recent marches have raised the volume on the debate about the presence of foreign workers that started more than a century ago.
In a famous address, Booker T. Washington urged employers "to cast down your bucket where you are" and hire newly freed slaves instead of "those of foreign birth and strange tongue and habits."
More recently, Hispanics and African-Americans have found some common ground. In 2003, immigrant activists formally incorporated a symbol of the civil rights movement when it staged "freedom rides," nationwide bus caravans for legalization.
The relationship has soured, at times, such as when Mexico President Vicente Fox outraged U.S. civil rights groups when he said immigrants take jobs that "not even blacks want to do." Closer to home, New Orleans Mayor Ray Nagin warned about an influx of Mexican workers coming to rebuild his city.
Rev. Anthony Williams, pastor at St. Stephens Evangelical Lutheran Church in Englewood, said he resents immigrants comparing themselves to black civil rights activists. Although he praises their courage and activism, Williams said the rhetoric and proposals of immigrants are misguided.
`2 different issues'
Williams said black protesters in the 1960s "got water hoses and dogs" so that other downtrodden people, including illegal immigrants, could march today.
"It's two different issues," he said. "My thing is not to beat up on my Hispanic brothers and sisters. That's not the issue. The issue is nobody is above the law. Our country has laws in how you enter this country."
Williams is so passionate that he is working informally with the Chicago Minuteman Project, an offshoot of a volunteer group that patrols the U.S.-Mexico border and advocates stricter immigration enforcement.
It is the jobs issue that troubles African-Americans most.
A Pew Hispanic Center poll released last month found that 41 percent of African-American respondents in Chicago said they had lost a job to an immigrant compared with 15 percent of white, non-Hispanic respondents.
Labor experts say employers often prefer to hire illegal immigrants because they will accept lower wages, can get paid in cash and have little leverage to combat abuses. Although black lawmakers have charged that employers avoid African-Americans with criminal records, illegal immigrants are largely anonymous workers with apparently clean slates.
Sandra Mallory, an African-American Englewood resident who buys and renovates homes, said Mexican workers give her fewer problems than others. Mallory, a former candidate for alderman, attended a Pilsen news conference Monday to lend support to the May 1 march.
"Their word is good. They are professional. They aren't trying to flirt with you," Mallory said.
Daniels pointed some of the blame at black workers, who recently rejected landscaping jobs because the jobs paid only $8 an hour. Of course, Daniels said, they might have taken the jobs if wages were higher. And the wages probably dropped because the contractor's all-Hispanic crew jumped on the offer, he said.
Harvard University professor George Borjas released a report in 2004 that found that African-American wages fell 4.5 percent--a larger drop than among white workers--during an immigration boom between 1980 and 2000. He also found that the lower the education levels of workers, the more their wages declined.
Josh Bernstein, federal policy director for the Los Angeles-based National Immigration Policy Center, which generally favors immigrant rights, said Borjas and other researchers are correct that increased immigration disproportionately harms minorities with lower educational levels.
A `win-win' for all workers
But by removing a key reason that immigrants accept lower wages--their illegal status--employers will be forced to pay more, Bernstein said. That will increase wages across the board, he argues.
"I'm not going to put rose-colored glasses on what immigration does. It does cause economic dislocation and, like all changes, the people who are on the lowest rungs are the ones hurt disproportionately.
"But just because there is a disproportionate impact doesn't mean that you should follow the policy prescriptions of the anti-immigrant movement," he added. "I would argue that this makes the problem worse."
That philosophy is why Ronald Kirk, who works in convention services at the Hyatt Regency Chicago, is backing the immigrant marches.
Kirk, an African-American, said he has heard grumbling from some black co-workers and neighbors since the immigration marches started. But Kirk, a shop steward for the UNITE-HERE Local 1 union, said he thinks extending legal status will benefit all workers.
"They are human beings," Kirk said softly. "Society let them break the law for years. Now that immigrants want to be recognized, they should be. It's a win-win scenario for all workers."
Groups behind Chicago's immigrant marches have extended invitations to African-American community groups but, so far, no black activists are among the main organizers.
Still, immigrant activists insist that African-American support, particularly from elected officials, will be critical in Congress. They already have won support from officials such as U.S. Rep. Bobby Rush (D-Ill), who introduced a bill that would grant legal status to 35 families facing separation because they include both illegal immigrants and U.S. citizens.
Last month, the NAACP released a set of principles for immigration reform, opposing a focus on enforcement, arguing that "we must move away from the politics of ostracizing immigrants."
Those sentiments from civil rights leaders are often at odds with the mood of the community, said Earl Ofari Hutchinson, an author and political analyst who writes about immigration frequently for The Chicago Defender and other media.
When Hutchinson convened three primarily black audiences in Los Angeles for discussions on immigration, black panelists were taken aback by the vitriol from the audience. Hutchinson himself received dozens of faxes and e-mails on the issue, none of which backed liberalizing immigration laws.
"What hit me was the vehemence, the anger, the passion, the hostility," Hutchinson said. "In the mainstream civil rights leadership, [legalization] is seen as an issue of fairness, of economic justice, of anti-discrimination. The average black person doesn't see it that way."
http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/...58.story?coll=chi-news-hed&ctrack=1&cset=true
Blacks split on support for illegal immigrants
Many are backers, but fight for jobs spurs foes
By Oscar Avila
Published April 23, 2006
When more than 100,000 protesters marched through the streets of Chicago to support illegal immigrants, Rev. Gregory Daniels and other African-American leaders took notice.
Daniels is trying to mobilize his own community, matching workers with jobs that pay well. In his Englewood office, he has mounted poster boards with lists of workers he has connected to construction jobs at Donald Trump's new building and other sites.
He's sympathetic to the marchers, but Daniels says illegal immigrants undercut Englewood residents by flooding the market with workers willing to take less money.
"Let me tell you what the mind-set of the African-American is when they see those marches: `They are here to replace us,'" Daniels said. "We've got to be careful because I don't want to see an eruption between the blacks and the browns over the immigration issue."
As Mexicans and other immigrants around the U.S. mobilize for greater rights, increasingly employing the tone and tactics of the 1960s civil rights movement, African-Americans have profound disagreements about where they belong in the debate.
In Chicago, the Rainbow/PUSH Coalition, the Nation of Islam and the Association of Community Organizations for Reform Now, which traditionally has targeted black neighborhoods, all have backed a May 1 march for legalization, saying the plight of any marginalized worker should concern the black community.
In the editorial pages of black newspapers and in neighborhood conversations, however, a growing segment of African-Americans is raising doubts about supporting immigrants, especially lawbreakers, who are often competitors for low-wage jobs.
Immigrants and lower wages
Researchers have identified a link between increased immigration and unemployment and falling wages among some U.S.-born workers. The burden falls disproportionately on those with lower education levels, including many African-Americans and legal immigrants.
Some think the solution is to reduce the number of illegal immigrants working here, but others believe that the route to better pay for all is to make more immigrants legal.
The recent marches have raised the volume on the debate about the presence of foreign workers that started more than a century ago.
In a famous address, Booker T. Washington urged employers "to cast down your bucket where you are" and hire newly freed slaves instead of "those of foreign birth and strange tongue and habits."
More recently, Hispanics and African-Americans have found some common ground. In 2003, immigrant activists formally incorporated a symbol of the civil rights movement when it staged "freedom rides," nationwide bus caravans for legalization.
The relationship has soured, at times, such as when Mexico President Vicente Fox outraged U.S. civil rights groups when he said immigrants take jobs that "not even blacks want to do." Closer to home, New Orleans Mayor Ray Nagin warned about an influx of Mexican workers coming to rebuild his city.
Rev. Anthony Williams, pastor at St. Stephens Evangelical Lutheran Church in Englewood, said he resents immigrants comparing themselves to black civil rights activists. Although he praises their courage and activism, Williams said the rhetoric and proposals of immigrants are misguided.
`2 different issues'
Williams said black protesters in the 1960s "got water hoses and dogs" so that other downtrodden people, including illegal immigrants, could march today.
"It's two different issues," he said. "My thing is not to beat up on my Hispanic brothers and sisters. That's not the issue. The issue is nobody is above the law. Our country has laws in how you enter this country."
Williams is so passionate that he is working informally with the Chicago Minuteman Project, an offshoot of a volunteer group that patrols the U.S.-Mexico border and advocates stricter immigration enforcement.
It is the jobs issue that troubles African-Americans most.
A Pew Hispanic Center poll released last month found that 41 percent of African-American respondents in Chicago said they had lost a job to an immigrant compared with 15 percent of white, non-Hispanic respondents.
Labor experts say employers often prefer to hire illegal immigrants because they will accept lower wages, can get paid in cash and have little leverage to combat abuses. Although black lawmakers have charged that employers avoid African-Americans with criminal records, illegal immigrants are largely anonymous workers with apparently clean slates.
Sandra Mallory, an African-American Englewood resident who buys and renovates homes, said Mexican workers give her fewer problems than others. Mallory, a former candidate for alderman, attended a Pilsen news conference Monday to lend support to the May 1 march.
"Their word is good. They are professional. They aren't trying to flirt with you," Mallory said.
Daniels pointed some of the blame at black workers, who recently rejected landscaping jobs because the jobs paid only $8 an hour. Of course, Daniels said, they might have taken the jobs if wages were higher. And the wages probably dropped because the contractor's all-Hispanic crew jumped on the offer, he said.
Harvard University professor George Borjas released a report in 2004 that found that African-American wages fell 4.5 percent--a larger drop than among white workers--during an immigration boom between 1980 and 2000. He also found that the lower the education levels of workers, the more their wages declined.
Josh Bernstein, federal policy director for the Los Angeles-based National Immigration Policy Center, which generally favors immigrant rights, said Borjas and other researchers are correct that increased immigration disproportionately harms minorities with lower educational levels.
A `win-win' for all workers
But by removing a key reason that immigrants accept lower wages--their illegal status--employers will be forced to pay more, Bernstein said. That will increase wages across the board, he argues.
"I'm not going to put rose-colored glasses on what immigration does. It does cause economic dislocation and, like all changes, the people who are on the lowest rungs are the ones hurt disproportionately.
"But just because there is a disproportionate impact doesn't mean that you should follow the policy prescriptions of the anti-immigrant movement," he added. "I would argue that this makes the problem worse."
That philosophy is why Ronald Kirk, who works in convention services at the Hyatt Regency Chicago, is backing the immigrant marches.
Kirk, an African-American, said he has heard grumbling from some black co-workers and neighbors since the immigration marches started. But Kirk, a shop steward for the UNITE-HERE Local 1 union, said he thinks extending legal status will benefit all workers.
"They are human beings," Kirk said softly. "Society let them break the law for years. Now that immigrants want to be recognized, they should be. It's a win-win scenario for all workers."
Groups behind Chicago's immigrant marches have extended invitations to African-American community groups but, so far, no black activists are among the main organizers.
Still, immigrant activists insist that African-American support, particularly from elected officials, will be critical in Congress. They already have won support from officials such as U.S. Rep. Bobby Rush (D-Ill), who introduced a bill that would grant legal status to 35 families facing separation because they include both illegal immigrants and U.S. citizens.
Last month, the NAACP released a set of principles for immigration reform, opposing a focus on enforcement, arguing that "we must move away from the politics of ostracizing immigrants."
Those sentiments from civil rights leaders are often at odds with the mood of the community, said Earl Ofari Hutchinson, an author and political analyst who writes about immigration frequently for The Chicago Defender and other media.
When Hutchinson convened three primarily black audiences in Los Angeles for discussions on immigration, black panelists were taken aback by the vitriol from the audience. Hutchinson himself received dozens of faxes and e-mails on the issue, none of which backed liberalizing immigration laws.
"What hit me was the vehemence, the anger, the passion, the hostility," Hutchinson said. "In the mainstream civil rights leadership, [legalization] is seen as an issue of fairness, of economic justice, of anti-discrimination. The average black person doesn't see it that way."
http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/...58.story?coll=chi-news-hed&ctrack=1&cset=true
VegasGuy said:
I guess you don't too. Didn't answer one question.
Dolemite said:
That's why I was saying black people got to stop bullshitting and get their
education. Mexicans legal or illegal is not the cause of high as dropout rates of black males.
The article showed both sides. Had black males that would not work for $8 but the mexicans would. I know this young brother right now that was fired from a job because he would be fucking with the mexicans he worked with for no reason. Okay, I told the dude to leave them along and just do his job. Okay, now he got a job from a temp service working as a plumber for this company. Now he has been on the job 4 months and talking about quiting because the other guys thats been there for years make more money then him. He had no experience and is been taught how to put plumbing in a house from the ground up. He learning a trade which he can start his own business, but in the young boy mind all he see is they make more money then me. The dude come home and tell me that they don't do shit hardly all day but smoke weed(it 2 plumbers to each house they are working on)
Now if he quit, do you think the owner is going to keep giving young black dudes a chance with no experience.
Just an example of how we need to get our shit together.
Why bother quoting/talking to me now? Your point has nothing to do with any of the things I have been saying. Getting our shit together will not be any easier while allowing criminals from other countries to have amnesty or by allowing hispanic refugees preference to black refugees. It also won't get any easier when skilled labor jobs that middle class blacks have are being taken by criminal aliens.GhostofMarcus said:
No tales of shiftless negroes you know will change that. No tales of shiftless negroes will change the fact that millions of criminals are using my tax dollars to be incarcerated, educated and receive healthcare.
The Black Experience In America
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all mexicans and central americans plan on boycotting all american businesses on the 5th of May- the day our children are scared to go to school in los angeles because hispanics threaten to kill any black students who come to school on that day
fuck em
fuck em
Once illegal's are made "Legal" this too will change.End of the Rainbow said:
Yesterday fruit pickers; tomorrow they'll be running shit.
Yesterday Black professionals; tomorrow they'll be running from shit.
Sounds like the American dream ???
Its illegal today; but some say make it legal, tomorrow.
QueEx
What's wrong with allowing illegal aliens to overrun American cities, cause strain in the communities, then giving them all an amnesty and make them citizens so they can overthrow all the existing elected governments and seize political power?QueEx said:
Funny how all but one of those groups or individuals you named claims to give a fuck about black people despite no part of this shit helping black people and despite their not being able to contest any of the facts that show this shit is bad for black people unless reciting shiftless negro anecdotes is an effective counter to the truth.QueEx said:
Truths born out in this thread:
Mexicans don't give a fuck about black people.
Numerous supposedly black pro-black members are sellouts.
Numerous supposedly black pro-black members are retarded.
Numerous supposedly black pro-black members are retarded sellouts.
Some of you would sell all of us into slavery to benefit yourself.
Some of you would trade the hard work of your ancestors in this land to a Mexican for not being viewed as being contrary to the political hack sellouts that call themselves leaders of our community.
I used to count Temujin and GhostofMarcus as more reasonable real brothers. Not anymore.
Que, Greed, Vegas Guy and the others here who aren't willing to squander our people's legacy are patriots to our African America. You others are reminiscent of those Africans smiling counting their wealth as boatloads of black men and women sailed off in chains within the bellies of slave ships.
Scum and fools. I would trade you for an innocent black slain by these criminal mutt spaniards in an instant.
Damn this shit is a sad state of affairs. Truly fuckin pathetic and horrible.
At this point how can anyone think we need more of the worlds underclass pouring into our nation? Do our schools, hospitals and other social services not suck enough now? At this rate we might as well just start sending cash to Mexico so they can pay for social programs over there instead of coming here.
Dolemite said:
So I have sold out because I stated I don't give a dam if a mexican is legal or not. White people don't like your ass so what mexicans don't like blacks( glad you have talked with 11 million mexicans to find out they don't like blacks).
I have said the only people that can dismantle black people future is black people. Your taxes are not going to go anywhere and these mexicans are not going anywhere, so I am suppose to spend my time worried they going to take my job. Come on man,get your people straight and you don't have to worry about a mexican taking your job. I guess some want blacks to be shiftless or bullshitters.
Dolemite i still have no hard feeling for you or anyone else on this board because it's nothing to me. Just a message board. But VG, Greed and sometimes Que
Que, Greed, Vegas Guy and the others here who aren't willing to squander our people's legacy are patriots
The very ones that have defended bush (not Que) to the end and hella lot more of your tax dollars is fucked up by that fool then mexicans.
Also question, if it was 11 million jamaicans over here because jamaica was next door what would be your stand.
QueEx said:
I never said I was for anything but you left out the other half of the black race in america. Only vg, greed, dolemite and you are the smart ones. Please save us.
Man that is why you aren't serious. Read the fucking thread. You're asking me about Jamaicans when I already said why not Haitians at least 10 times.GhostofMarcus said:So I have sold out because I stated I don't give a dam if a mexican is legal or not. White people don't like your ass so what mexicans don't like blacks( glad you have talked with 11 million mexicans to find out they don't like blacks).
I have said the only people that can dismantle black people future is black people. Your taxes are not going to go anywhere and these mexicans are not going anywhere, so I am suppose to spend my time worried they going to take my job. Come on man,get your people straight and you don't have to worry about a mexican taking your job. I guess some want blacks to be shiftless or bullshitters.
Dolemite i still have no hard feeling for you or anyone else on this board because it's nothing to me. Just a message board. But VG, Greed and sometimes Que
Que, Greed, Vegas Guy and the others here who aren't willing to squander our people's legacy are patriots
The very ones that have defended bush (not Que) to the end and hella lot more of your tax dollars is fucked up by that fool then mexicans.
Also question, if it was 11 million jamaicans over here because jamaica was next door what would be your stand.
You like to come in and float the same thing over and over but can't even respond to my real arguments about why this hurts black people with anything besides apathy or talking about "black problems". If you gave a shit enough about your people to read about how Blacks are doing in areas flooded by illegals you'd know that illegal aliens and mexicans are a black problem.
Why even post when you refuse to read the thread or act like you have?
Dolemite said:
No the question is not why not Haitians because you stated it broils down to your tax dollars being spend on mexicans, so if it was 11 million haitians your tax dollars were being spend on then you would not care, right. I know vg, who cosign you would still be crying about tax dollars but this is for you. Also we blacks got to talk about our problems, seem like you don't care some of the very people that you are talking about this is going to hurt is shiftless and lazy as the whiteman would say.
You still have not told me how a legal mexican or illegal mexican is going to take my job?
"No tales of shiftless negroes you know will change that. No tales of shiftless negroes will change the fact that millions of criminals are using my tax dollars to be incarcerated, educated and receive healthcare."
Can you read? I never said it "broiled down" to one thing. I have repeatedly stated MANY DIFFERENT REASONS why I am opposed to this.GhostofMarcus said:
We blacks have to talk about our problems is true but why don't you try the appropriate thread for the approriate problem. Get the fuck outta here with that I don't care about my people not reaching their full potential. Look through this political board and see about me posting about my people's problems- I talk about it alot more than you do and alot more than most. Go post your shiftless tales in the Tony Brown's Journal Education thread.
First of all I don't know what YOUR job is but based on your responses you don't seem able to read well so hopefully you are a very skilled laborer rather than a shitty white collar worker. Secondly READ THE FUCKING THREAD. READ THIS THREAD. NOT ANY OTHER ONE- JUST THIS ONE. THERE ARE MANY POSTS ABOUT HOW THIS WILL EFFECT CERTAIN BLACK WORKERS.
If you refuse to read this thread why bother posting in it asking questions that have already been answered????????????????????????????????????????
Do you think saying that no one has answered you when the info has been stated and posted over and over will make someone think you are right? WTF?
GhostofMarcus said:I never said I was for anything but you left out the other half of the black race in america. Only vg, greed, dolemite and you are the smart ones. Please save us.
A few things Brother:
[1] Some of us have to say something -- when it seems that most of us are lying in an apathetic and misinformed state of idleness with respect to an issue that will greatly impact our tomorrow;
[2] Because any part of our community is sleeping (uninformed or misinformed) is good enough reason, to me at least, why they should be awakened;
[3] Don't let your hate for white people be your down fall -- use it at every opportunity to your advantage (thats generally what they will do to us); If you aren't sophisticated enough to grasp that concept, stick around, there are plenty enough Brothers who frequent this board that will help you.
[4] This thread (at least for me), is not about hating Mexicans or any other immigrants; on the contrary, its about loving me and mine (that includes you). I am for what is in OUR BEST INTEREST and I wouldn't for a second forsake that interest just to poke white people in the fucking eye when to do so is to harm OUR BEST INTEREST --- AND, any Black person who can't understand that philosophy either does not have our best interest in mind or is too damn stupid to know the damn difference!!!
[5] If you have me and mine's interest in mind, you better start showing in quick, fast and in a damn hurry. That is, if Illegal Mexicans have Black interest in mind as they pursue their so-called interest, they need to make it loud and fuckin clear. UNDERSTAND? Because, I'm not willing to see our interests get Temujin'd: <u>trust them because they are just hungry people; start a business using federal government capital/investment, and hire illegal mexicans and tell me, its aiight</u>. No what I mean??? In case you don't, let it be clear, I haven't heard a single fucking word from any of the pro-make-em-damn-legal movement that aligns the interest of illegal mexicans with me and mine. In fact, I've heard and seen the opposite.
[6] If you don't know what interest we have to protect, if you ask me in an intelligent way, I will be more than happy to tell you what I think they are. I will consider it that you are truly asking to learn -- and not in the vein of trying to be ass-backward smart.
[7] You need to drop that damn "Laughing Smiley" because there isn't anything funny in this thread. If the only way you can attempt to make a point is through the use of the laughing smiley, obviously that means you don't really have shit constructive to say. If you disagree with what someone is saying, the better thing to do is bring up evidence and things you think contradicts or makes a better or larger point. Posting a damn laughing smiley in a thread like this, to me, tends to show simplemindedness.
Enough for now, this should keep you busy thinking or busy being the same.
QueEx
QueEx said:
you are
. all the little smart ass remarks you post. You guys keep talking about black people is doomed and my point is illegal mexican can't doom anybody that got thier act together.
They are not going anywhere. So blacks got to get their shit right.
Jobs are not promised to anybody. period
Dolemite said:
"No tales of shiftless negroes you know will change that. No tales of shiftless negroes will change the fact that millions of criminals are using my tax dollars to be incarcerated, educated and receive healthcare."
So that is not your statement? and vg cosign that that sums up the entire thread. So I guess that boils down to one thing your tax dollars been spend on mexicans.
And that about sums up this entire thread Dolemite. Nuff said!
-VG
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