What Is The 4th Dimension?

What do you do to prepare yourself for meditation? What is your state of mind now as compared to just before you began maditating for the first time?



I'm still reading up and trying to refine my technique. Basically before I meditate I try to find a quiet place to get away from distraction. I do my best to clear my mind completely and I don't try to picture anything in my head. All I do is look into the darkness and let the images create themselves. On other occasions I think about positive things.


Before I started meditating my state of mind would fluctuate. The only thing I would do if I became stressed would distract myself with whatever I could find. Since I started meditating off and on I have found that I get less stressed and I'm more focused.


I have read up on meditation and the benefits have been scientifically proven. Such benefits that I'm aware of are


-lowers stress
-It increases blood flow and slows the heart rate.
-t increases serotonin production which influences mood and behavior.
-Enhances the immune system



there are a bunch of other benefits
 
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This is a very interesting post! Here is an article I found a couple of years ago explaining light and our perception of it. It is a long read, so some of you will have to break out the Colin Powell pics!

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Regarding the nature of light, I found the following story *very* informative....


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Alice in Quantum Land
A Quantum's Eye View
Following is chapter to be published later this year in Lewis Carroll's Lost Quantum Diaries, ed. William B Shanley.


“Good morning, Alice,” a voice said. Or at least it seemed like a voice.

Alice rubbed her eyes. She'd fallen asleep in the orchard, and had been dreaming of tea parties with singing cakes and dancing oysters. She rubbed her eyes and looked around, but there was no one in sight. Had the voice been in the dream, she wondered? Or maybe she was still dreaming. She'd caught herself enough times in that trap, thinking she had woken up, only to discover she was still dreaming. It always annoyed her.

“Good morning, Alice.” There it was again. But where was it coming from? Alice had become used to voices that came from strange and unexpected places, or were disconnected from the people or things who were speaking, but not voices that came from nowhere.

“Good morning,” replied Alice cautiously but politely, not wanting to upset whoever, or whatever, this might be. “Who are you? Or more to the point, where are you?”

“I'm a quantum,” the voice continued. “You've been hearing a lot about quantum physics and all the strange conclusions that it leads to in your world, so I thought it was time you heard from me, and got a picture of how the world looks from a quantum's point of view.

“As to where I am, I am everywhere and nowhere. Always and nowhen.”

Alice knew better than to let her mind be worried by paradox. Just about everything she had heard so far was paradoxical in some way or other, and trying to understand paradoxes was bound to lead to even greater confusion.

“Let me introduce myself,” it continued, “and all the other zillions of quanta in the universe, for in many ways we're all exactly the same.

“Each of us is the smallest possible packet of energy in the universe. Any transfer of energy, whether it be from one electron to another in an atom, or from the sun to your skin, involves a whole number of us quanta. There may be 1, 2, 5, 117, or 19,387,463,728 of us, but never half a quantum or three-and-a-quarter quanta. That would be like you having a conversation with half a person, or three-and-a-quarter people.”

Alice wondered whether she could imagine having a conversation with three and a quarter people. Three-and-a-quarter bodies, perhaps -- she'd met stranger situations than that -- but three-and-a-quarter people, she was not so sure. But before she had a chance to try imagining a fraction of a person, the voice from nowhere was back.

“In your world you also call us photons -- the smallest unit of light.

“Now when I speak of light, I am talking not just of the visible light you see with your eyes; I mean the whole spectrum of electromagnetic radiation of which visible light is just one tiny range of frequencies. At higher frequencies are ultraviolet light, X-rays and, beyond them, gamma rays. At lower frequencies you find heat waves, and at the lowest frequencies of all, radio waves. All of them are just different frequencies of light. And they are all composed of photons, each one a single quantum.”

“Then why did you say you were all the same?” asked Alice. “Light has many different colors; heat I can feel on my skin; and I've been told to keep well clear of gamma rays. They all seem very different to me.”

“That is because the energies we carry vary enormously. The higher the frequency, the higher the energy. A gamma-ray photon, for example, packs billions of times more energy than a radio-wave photon. This is why gamma rays, X-rays, and even ultraviolet rays to some extent, can be so dangerous to you. When these photons hit your body, the energy released can blow apart the molecules in a cell. When heat radiation is absorbed by your skin, the energy released is much, much less, and all it does is warm you up a little.

“However, although our energies vary enormously, there is one thing about us that is always the same. We all, each and every one of us, possess exactly the same amount of action.”

“What,” Alice was about to say, “is action?” But before she had even finished thinking “What,” the quantum said, “I thought you might ask that.

“You're familiar with the terms mass, velocity, momentum and energy, I presume?”

“Yes,” thought Alice. She remembered learning about them at school.

“And you learned how they relate to each other. An object's momentum, for example, is its mass multiplied by its velocity. And work is energy multiplied by distance. Action is just another one of these qualities, but it is not one you normally hear about at school.”

“The amount of 'action' in any action is defined as the object's momentum multiplied by the distance it travels. Or it can also be expressed as the object's energy multiplied by the time it is traveling.”

“Imagine someone throwing a ball.” Suddenly, out of nowhere, the White Rabbit appeared, running around the orchard throwing large orange tennis balls into the air. “Some imagination!” thought Alice.

“If he were to throw the balls twice as fast, would there be more or less action?”

“More, of course.”

“Twice as much?”

“I'd think so.”

“And if the balls were much heavier, like croquet balls, would there be more or less action to his action?”

“More.”

“And if he ran around for twice as long, how much action do you think there would be?”

“Twice as much, I suppose.”

“So the concept of action isn't really that strange, is it?”

“No,” replied Alice, wondering why she had never thought about action in this way before. And why hadn't she heard about it at school? Maybe it hadn't been important?

“Oh, it's very important,” said the voice from nowhere. “Your mathematicians have discovered that whatever happens in the universe happens in such a way that the total amount of action is always the lowest possible. It's what they call 'The Principle of Least Action.' And your scientists use it all the time to predict how things will happen. Those balls the White Rabbit is throwing trace out a curve in the air, yes? Well that curve happens to be the one that involves the least amount of action. Any other curve you could imagine would require more action.”

“A sort of cosmic efficiency principle,” thought Alice.

“Yes. And it apples to everything. Even light. When you see a reflection in the looking glass, the light comes back to you at the precise angle that involves the least amount of action.”

“Hmm, I'm beginning to see why action is so important.”

“Yes, it's absolutely fundamental. And, as I was saying, every single quantum in the universe, every photon, whatever its frequency and energy, is an identical unit of action. The amount is exceedingly small -- after all, we're very, very, very tiny. In your units of measurement, each of us is about 0.00000000000000000000000000663 erg-seconds. And before you even think of asking what an erg is, it is a unit of energy, a very small one. To lift a one-pound croquet ball a distance of one foot takes about 13.5 million ergs. If you took one second to lift the ball, your action would have involved about 13.5 million erg-seconds. Now each of us quanta is a tiny, tiny, tiny fraction of an erg-second -- point zero zero zero zero zero zero zero zero . . . ”

“Stop, please. I get the picture. You are a very, very, very, tiny unit of action.”

“Yes, the smallest possible action in the universe. It's called Planck's constant, after Max Planck, who first discovered us. Each one of us, each and every one of us, is exactly this amount of action.”

Alice thought about this for a while. “Light is action,” she mused. “I'd never thought of it like that before. But I suppose it sort of makes sense. After all, light never stops moving. It can travel right across the universe, and at great speed. Light never rests, it never slows. Yes action seems kind of appropriate.”

“Not so fast,” the quantum interrupted. “That may be how you see light, but we see ourselves very differently. As far as we are concerned, we don't ever experience ourselves traveling anywhere. We never move at all.”

“Now, that's ridiculous!” cried Alice. “I'm used to paradoxes in this quantum world of yours, but how can you say you never travel anywhere when you so clearly do? If you never go anywhere, how come light gets to us from the sun, and how come light has speed?”

“Hold your horses, my dear, and I'll try to explain. But first I'll need to take you on a little excursion into the theories of another of your great scientists, Albert Einstein.

“Like many other scientists of his time, Einstein was puzzled by the fact that light always seemed to travel at the same speed, no matter how fast you might be moving. At first this seemed nonsense. If you were to walk along at 3Êmph, and the White Rabbit ran by at 7Êmph, simple arithmetic tells you he'd be going 4Êmph faster than you. If you speeded up and ran along at 7Êmph you'd be able to keep up with him, and there would be no difference in speed. But light didn't seem to behave like this at all. Experiments showed that however fast you go, you can never catch up with light; it always passes by at 186,000 miles per second. Even if you were to travel at 185,990 miles per second, light would still whiz by 186,000 miles per second faster.”

“Faster! Faster!” the Red Queen's voice echoed through her mind, along with images of chessboards and talking lilies. Alice remembered what it was like to never get anywhere however fast you ran. “Was the Red Queen a friend of yours?”

“No, but maybe young Albert had read about your adventures with her.

“After a lot of thought he decided to accept that you could never catch up with light, however fast you went. It is just the way the universe works, however non-sensical it might seem. This led him to his famous 'Special Theory of Relativity,' and to some conclusions that at first seemed even greater nonsense.

“His equations predicted that the faster something went the more slowly its clocks would run. The precise relationship between speed and time is not a straightforward one, and I won't bother you with the detailed mathematics, but the result is that if you were to travel past someone at 87 percent the speed of light, they would observe your clocks to be running at half the speed of theirs. This slowing applies not just to clocks, but to all physical processes, all chemical processes, and all biological processes. Your whole world would run at half the rate of theirs.”

“Sounds more like the looking glass world than my world.”

“Well, it turns out that your world really is a bit like the looking glass world. Scientists have flown clocks around the world on jets and found that they do indeed run slow -- by a factor of about one in a trillion -- not enough to worry anyone, but enough to prove that Einstein's theory is correct.

“And it's not just time that shrinks. Space is also changed. Lengths measured in the direction of motion become shorter, and in exactly the same proportion as time slows. If you were to travel a measured mile at 87 percent the speed of light, you'd measure the distance to be only half a mile.”

“You mean space and time really aren't fixed after all?”

“Right, they're not as absolute as people had thought. How much space and how much time you observe is relative to your speed. That's why Einstein called it 'relativity'.

“But he also discovered that not everything about time and space was relative. People moving at different speeds may disagree on how much space and how much time they observe, but they all agree on the total amount of space and time.”

Alice thought it must be a bit like cutting a string in two. Cutting it in different places would give pieces of differing lengths, but the total length of string would always be the same.

“Exactly. Or rather, not exactly. Space and time don't add up by simple arithmetic. In fact, you get the total by doing a subtraction.”

“Doing addition by subtraction! Now that's the sort of arithmetic the Red Queen would like.”

“But it isn't simple subtraction,” the quantum continued, “the mathematical formula for combining space and time is more complicated than that. It's something like 'the square root of space squared minus time squared.'”

“I think I'll skip that. I'm confused enough as it is. But what's all this got to do with light, and you saying that light never travels anywhere?”

“Well, the equations of relativity predict that at the speed of light, length shrinks to nothing, and time slows to a complete standstill.”

“You mean space and time just disappear? That is bizarre.”

“Yes, and it's quite troublesome to your physicists. Their equations of motion get littered with zeros and infinities, and it's very hard for them to make much use of them. So they usually ignore this extreme case, consoling themselves with the thought that because nothing can ever actually travel at the speed of light, they don't have to worry about these bizarre effects.”

“Why do you say things can't travel at the speed of light?” Alice asked, sensing a possible contradiction.

“Ah, that's because not only space and time change with speed, but so also does mass. Whereas space and time decrease with speed, mass does the opposite. The faster you go, the heavier you become. If you reached the speed of light, your mass would become infinite.”

Alice tried to imagine having an infinite mass. Being very, very heavy she could just about handle. But infinitely heavy? She couldn't even imagine infinity, let alone an infinite amount of anything.

“Don't worry. You'll never go that fast. To move an object of infinite mass would take an infinite amount of energy. A lot of energy might get you close to the speed of light, but there simply is not enough energy in the whole universe to accelerate you all the way up to light speed. That's why it's impossible for anything to ever travel at the speed of light.”

“But some things do travel at the speed of light,” interjected Alice, pleased that she had caught the quantum contradicting itself. “You, for example, travel at the speed of light.”

“Of course. To say that light couldn't travel at the speed of light would be pretty ridiculous, wouldn't it? But light is not really a 'thing' as you think of things. Photons have no mass at all. Each of us weighs absolutely nothing -- no matter how fast we go. Even at the speed of light, we still weigh absolutely nothing.”

“So you aren't subject to the same cosmic speed limit as we are.”

“Correct.”

“And so you always travel at the speed of light.” Alice proudly concluded.

“On the contrary. We never travel at any speed.”

“What?”

“No, that's just how it appears to you in your world. On our side of the quantum looking glass, things look very different.

“I said that at the speed of light distance and time shrink right down to zero. Well, that means that, from our point of view, we never experience ourselves traveling any distance whatsoever. In your world you see us traveling through space, but at the speeds we travel space has become so warped there is no distance between where we start and where we end up. And since at our clocks have slowed to a standstill, we never take any time at all. We go nowhere in no time.”

“Makes the Red Queen seem positively sane.”

“The Red Queen was still living in the world of things, the world of space, time and matter. We quanta live in a very different world. We are not things. We have no mass, we never travel any distance, and we know no time. So, because we travel no distance in no time, the notion of speed is meaningless for us. In our frame of reference -- and what frame of reference could more appropriate for light than our own -- we have no need of speed.”

“But I thought Einstein said that the speed of light was the same for all observers. How can you say you have no speed?”

“What you think of as the speed of light is from our perspective something very different. You remember me saying that all observers always agree on the total amount of spacetime separating two events, even though they disagree on how much actual space and how much actual time they observe?”

“Yes.”

“Well, when you calculate the total amount of spacetime between the two ends of a light beam the result is always exactly zero. This is because the total is arrived at by that complicated formula that involves 'space-squared minus time-squared'. For any photon, anywhere in the universe, the amount of space it appears to travel is exactly balanced by the amount of time it appears to take, and when you subtract the two, they cancel each other out, leaving a total of zero.

“This is something even we photons agree upon. Except that we don't experience a beginning and an end. We observe ourselves traveling zero distance in zero time. Subtract zero from zero and what do you get?”

“Zero, of course.”

“Exactly. However you look at it, the combined amount of spacetime for light is always zero.”

What felt like waves of significance passed through Alice. She felt that this was somehow very, very important, but she had no idea how or why.

“In your world,” it continued, “you observe a separation between the beginning and end of a light beam. The zero spacetime of light has manifested as some space, along with some time. Since the total must remain zero, the amount of space that appears is exactly balanced by the amount of time that appears.

“What you observe as the speed of light can be thought of as the ratio of manifestation of time and space. For every 186,000 miles of space, there appears 1 second of time. It is this ratio that is fixed. This is why the so-called 'speed' of light in your world is always the same.”

Alice didn't quite know what to think. She sat back and tried to imagine what it would be like to be light. She tried imagining space and time disappearing, but it didn't work. However hard she tried, space and time would not go away. Maybe that's just the way the mind thinks, she thought.

Then she tried the opposite, trying to imagine nothing, and to imagine that nothing being stretched out into space and time. But that was just as difficult.

She was just about to give up trying to understand any of this when suddenly the thought came to her that if light doesn't experience itself traveling anywhere, then what's all this stuff about light being both a wave and a particle? “It can't be either!” she exclaimed

“You're catching on fast. A wave that traveled nowhere would be ridiculous, wouldn't it? So would a particle that existed for no time at all. Waves and particles are concepts your scientists use to try to understand us in their world. They are both 'thing' words, but we quanta aren't things at all. Trying to make us seem like things is why your scientists find us so puzzling and paradoxical. They are seeking to understand us from their world, the world of time, space and matter. But that's the source of their problems. We have no mass; we don't inhabit space and time. We don't belong to the world of things. We belong to the world of light. If they could step into the world of light they would realize that there is no paradox at all.”

Alice lay back, and closed her eyes. There was the Red Queen again , with that incessant grin. Or was it the Cheshire cat's grin? And why was the Red Queen, or the Cheshire cat, or whoever she was, wiggling like that? Her edges grew fuzzy, her colors blurred and her crown began to turn into golden light. Before Alice knew it, the Red Queen had completely dissolved. And so had everything else. There was nothing in her mind but light. No thing. Nowhere that was anywhere else. No time that was not now. Just light.

“Is this the same light?” she wondered? “Is the light I see in my mind the same light as the light I see in the world?”

“What else? But I think we should leave that for another time,” she heard the voice from nowhere say. But at least she now knew where the voice was coming from. It was coming from everywhere -- from everywhere around her, and from everywhere within her.
 
Time is linear only on a flat measurement. In space there is no such thing as time because reality exists everywhere at once. Only in the human sense is there a measurement named time. This leads right back to the fact that humans can only see in 3 dimensions. If we could also see behind us our concept of time would change

NN, you are talking about a hypersphere my brotha...as far as if we were to visualize or try to visualize how the universe is, we would see the back of ourselves in front of us with an infinite amount of people standing in front of them, when those people are actually ourselves. And if we were to turn around we would see everyone behind us (which would now look like they were infront of us turn around as well). It's called a hypersphere because it loops...It's strongly related to the GUT or grand unified theory, or the theory of everything. Which is what theoretical physicists have been going back and forth now for decades. They think they are settled on 10 dimensions, but about 5 or 6 yrs ago they were debating whether there were 9, 10, 11, or 21 dimensions...all of matter of the mathematics you use to try to explain which is more valid. We haven't come up with the advanced mathematics yet to be able to take this theory and prove it concretely.

Oh, and it's possible to form a fold or warp space-time, which is what Einstein talked about in his theory of special relativity. The shit's bein' done right now in labs, but on such a small quantum scale it's almost insignificant to us right now. They can force photons to travel back and forth through time. There's even some dude tryin' to create his own universe.


It takes the Sun's light about 8 minutes to reach earth.It could therefore be argued that by looking to the sun we as seeing it as it was 8 minutes ago, therefore looking back in time!!!!

My brotha Charlie, you are thinkin' right! :yes: That's why when we look deeper out into space we look back through time. We definitely live in a hyper universe, meaning that it wraps right back around like a sphere does and is connected at all points...which has givin' the rise to the belief that wormholes exist, which are just space-time warped into a folding, linking one moment in space to another. It's also believed that blackholes might even be links to other dimensions, but that's risky and dangerous and has yet to be even considered a valid theory.

What is interesting is dark matter, the shit that accounts or roughly about 95% of the universes mass...the other shit we can quantify as gases, masses of galaxies, stars, comets, meteors, star clusters and nurseries, etc...which only makes up the other 5% :smh::smh::smh: Crazy shit!!!:eek:
 
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What is interesting is dark matter, the shit that accounts or roughly about 95% of the universes mass...the other shit we can quantify as gases, masses of galaxies, stars, comets, meteors, star clusters and nurseries, etc...which only makes up the other 5% :smh::smh::smh: Crazy shit!!!:eek:[/B]



Yep, History Channel had a special on today where they were discussing Dark Matter and Dark Energy. Crazy shit is right.
 
Yep, History Channel had a special on today where they were discussing Dark Matter and Dark Energy. Crazy shit is right.

Yo Smoke, how was that special? There's a good book by Theoretical physicist Michio Kaku, one of my favorite authors, called Hyperspace. It explains it in a lot more detail about the different dimensions and he also speculates about how humans have to evolve in order to survive and become star travelers.

However, about dark matter I have my own theory or belief. I think it is the membrane or casing of the universe itself. If you think about it, a balloon is just a membrane once you put something to fill it up inside. You might be able to calculate the volume of what's inside the balloon by dividing the mass by the density, but you still have to account for the balloon itself. I also believe that the membrane can't really be quantified or collected because that membrane is shared with another dimensional universe.

But that's just my opinion, I could be wrong...:D
 
Yo Smoke, how was that special? There's a good book by Theoretical physicist Michio Kaku, one of my favorite authors, called Hyperspace. It explains it in a lot more detail about the different dimensions and he also speculates about how humans have to evolve in order to survive and become star travelers.


The special was pretty good actually, before I watched it I was only familiar with Dark matter, never heard of Dark Energy. On the show they theorized that at the moment of the big bang dark matter and dark energy were formed. They also said that Dark matter was the only thing preventing dark energy from expanding and causing the universe got grow exponentially. One of the physicist said that after 5 billion years after the big bang, dark matter lost the battle with dark energy and the universe began to expand rapidly.






Michio Kaku is just a thrill to listen to :yes:

When he speaks I stop everything I do and listen. I have not read the book you have mentioned but I'm going to have to check it out. If you have not seen this vid already, Kaku basically outlines the different stages of how intelligent lifeforms in the universe would operate. He categorizes them in Type 1, type 2, and type 3 civilizations. eewwll showed me this vid.


excellent vid!!!!

[FLASH]http://youtube.com/v/yHbnM_42mQE[/FLASH]



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However, about dark matter I have my own theory or belief. I think it is the membrane or casing of the universe itself. If you think about it, a balloon is just a membrane once you put something to fill it up inside. You might be able to calculate the volume of what's inside the balloon by dividing the mass by the density, but you still have to account for the balloon itself. I also believe that the membrane can't really be quantified or collected because that membrane is shared with another dimensional universe.

But that's just my opinion, I could be wrong...:D


That is some pretty deep shit actually, and I'm not going to knock you for that theory neither.

So if the multi verse is true do you think your theory would still apply?
 
hmm this is very interesting, see this is something i can get into. I must talk with you one on one about temporal distortion as well as the real theory on the reversing or rewinding time theory as well, oh yea i was always under the impression that the fourth dimension was always the space in which light would take to refract from objects just as it does describe if u change the color of a block. Well i mean lets say i thought it ran along the lines as of how some people veiw colors....good post anyway, gonna bring this up with the people i know at the office.
 

Time doesn't exist. Aging doesn't count. Time is a man made concept. that has no true beginning or end. Science is founded on beginnings and endings. There isnt one that we can measure for time. Because If time existed.. What existed before time? What will exist after it?

Think on it.
 
Time doesn't exist. Aging doesn't count. Time is a man made concept. that has no true beginning or end. Science is founded on beginnings and endings. There isnt one that we can measure for time. Because If time existed.. What existed before time? What will exist after it?

Think on it.



I'm still waiting on my Macka-Chin :angry:
 
Time doesn't exist. Aging doesn't count. Time is a man made concept. that has no true beginning or end. Science is founded on beginnings and endings. There isnt one that we can measure for time. Because If time existed.. What existed before time? What will exist after it?

Think on it.

That time is eternal, does not mean it doesn't exist.
Think on it.
 
Wow thats some deep stuff there with what Dr. Kaku said. Never heard anything like that...I like the interpretation of Stanley's Kubrick "2001 Space Odyssey" but it also made me think about the sequel to that movie "2010 Space Odysey" about the monolith at the end of the movie when its there in that planet...:eek::eek::eek:

you know what? mind blowing stuff there. This stuff just gets you thinking???
 
Has anybody seen the sequel to 2001 space odysey? at the end of the movie is just lets you wonder many things. Could it have any relevance to Type 1,2,3 civilizations?

what you do you guys think?
 
That time is eternal, does not mean it doesn't exist.
Think on it.

http://discovermagazine.com/2007/jun/in-no-time

http://news.softpedia.com/news/Does-Time-Really-Exist-61530.shtml

http://www.robsworld.org/notime.html

There ya go.
According to current science.. Time isnt fully measurable, therefore hard to quantify. I'm of the opinion of the Now, and the curve of Dimensions. But of the concept of man made time.. not so much.
I do believe there is a version of Time that does exist, Outside of our current realm. However we have no clue how to find it.

I'm still waiting on my Macka-Chin :angry:

Aww shit.. just got in the house man.. gimme a bit to look.. Completely forgot
 
The special was pretty good actually, before I watched it I was only familiar with Dark matter, never heard of Dark Energy. On the show they theorized that at the moment of the big bang dark matter and dark energy were formed. They also said that Dark matter was the only thing preventing dark energy from expanding and causing the universe got grow exponentially. One of the physicist said that after 5 billion years after the big bang, dark matter lost the battle with dark energy and the universe began to expand rapidly.






Michio Kaku is just a thrill to listen to :yes:

When he speaks I stop everything I do and listen. I have not read the book you have mentioned but I'm going to have to check it out. If you have not seen this vid already, Kaku basically outlines the different stages of how intelligent lifeforms in the universe would operate. He categorizes them in Type 1, type 2, and type 3 civilizations. eewwll showed me this vid.

Eewwll's the brotha right there...we go back and forth about this stuff constantly...he's an intelligent cat. We were talkin' about this , as far as the different type categories of civilizations...it was in the thread about the Ashango bone. I was estimating that since that was found about 20000 B.C., we should already be well into the Type 3 civilization phase of our evolution. If you think how technology and our knowledge and use of it has expanded exponentially within just the last 100 yrs, then it would blow our mind if that knowledge hadn't been lost. :smh:

excellent vid!!!!

[FLASH]http://youtube.com/v/yHbnM_42mQE[/FLASH]






That is some pretty deep shit actually, and I'm not going to knock you for that theory neither.

So if the multi verse is true do you think your theory would still apply?


As far as my theory still applying to the multi-verse theory, I think it would. If you think about multiple membranes undulating and forming together, it should definitely be possible. The moment the two membranes collide and intermesh or burst into one another I believe that's when a new universe is birthed. As far as dark matter or energy, even energy and mass spilling into another dimension, that's what Steven Hawking is trying to prove right now. He pissed alot of people off in the theoretical physics community when he just left it open to interpret where that energy goes when you consider a black hole. He's nowing trying to work out the mathematics to see if that energy spills into another dimensional universe, which would be a solid mode of thinking to account for the lost energy in our universe.

I try to imagine the example with the balloon...take a balloon filled with water and poke a pin hole in it, poke another in another balloon, and so on and so forth, the fluid or energy would spill outand you have a connection to another membrane, each rubbing next to each other and displacing energy until one breaks or collapses...
 
As far as my theory still applying to the multi-verse theory, I think it would. If you think about multiple membranes undulating and forming together, it should definitely be possible. The moment the two membranes collide and intermesh or burst into one another I believe that's when a new universe is birthed. As far as dark matter or energy, even energy and mass spilling into another dimension, that's what Steven Hawking is trying to prove right now. He pissed alot of people off in the theoretical physics community when he just left it open to interpret where that energy goes when you consider a black hole. He's nowing trying to work out the mathematics to see if that energy spills into another dimensional universe, which would be a solid mode of thinking to account for the lost energy in our universe.

I try to imagine the example with the balloon...take a balloon filled with water and poke a pin hole in it, poke another in another balloon, and so on and so forth, the fluid or energy would spill outand you have a connection to another membrane, each rubbing next to each other and displacing energy until one breaks or collapses...



You got me thinking on a whole other level right now :yes:
 
Wow thats some deep stuff there with what Dr. Kaku said. Never heard anything like that...I like the interpretation of Stanley's Kubrick "2001 Space Odyssey" but it also made me think about the sequel to that movie "2010 Space Odysey" about the monolith at the end of the movie when its there in that planet...:eek::eek::eek:

you know what? mind blowing stuff there. This stuff just gets you thinking???


When eewwll posted this sometime back I had the same response, I was blown away. I never heard an interpretation of how probable alien civilizations could be like with such intricate detail before watching that clip.


thanks for reminding me about the Space Odyssey series, I need to watch those over again.
 
NN, you are talking about a hypersphere my brotha...as far as if we were to visualize or try to visualize how the universe is, we would see the back of ourselves in front of us with an infinite amount of people standing in front of them, when those people are actually ourselves. And if we were to turn around we would see everyone behind us (which would now look like they were infront of us turn around as well). It's called a hypersphere because it loops...It's strongly related to the GUT or grand unified theory, or the theory of everything. Which is what theoretical physicists have been going back and forth now for decades. They think they are settled on 10 dimensions, but about 5 or 6 yrs ago they were debating whether there were 9, 10, 11, or 21 dimensions...all of matter of the mathematics you use to try to explain which is more valid. We haven't come up with the advanced mathematics yet to be able to take this theory and prove it concretely.
I was thinking more along the lines of seeing in all directions simultaneously but your analogy fits what I was thinking even better and visually it's more stimulating. A heluva concept!

Oh, and it's possible to form a fold or warp space-time, which is what Einstein talked about in his theory of special relativity. The shit's bein' done right now in labs, but on such a small quantum scale it's almost insignificant to us right now. They can force photons to travel back and forth through time. There's even some dude tryin' to create his own universe.
Can you imagine the volume of energy it would take to make a quantum time machine? What materials would they use to contain such energy, not to mention what combination of collided nuclei it would take to create such energy! Billions of fusion generatirs couldn't get the job done. Exponentially speaking, it might take the gravitational energy of a black hole itself to displace time. Paradoxically, would it be us moving through time...or would time be moving around us?

My brotha Charlie, you are thinkin' right! :yes: That's why when we look deeper out into space we look back through time. We definitely live in a hyper universe, meaning that it wraps right back around like a sphere does and is connected at all points...which has givin' the rise to the belief that wormholes exist, which are just space-time warped into a folding, linking one moment in space to another. It's also believed that blackholes might even be links to other dimensions, but that's risky and dangerous and has yet to be even considered a valid theory.

What is interesting is dark matter, the shit that accounts or roughly about 95% of the universes mass...the other shit we can quantify as gases, masses of galaxies, stars, comets, meteors, star clusters and nurseries, etc...which only makes up the other 5% :smh::smh::smh: Crazy shit!!!:eek:
I was watching Scientific Frontier early Saturday Morning. Alan Alda was interviewing scientists and *astrologers* about this very subject. One guy stated the balloon theory as the "sphere" surrounding our universe is made of a thin membrane of plasma that's opaque and would "disappear" if we could ever catch up to it. All galaxies and everything in them are moving away from everything else simultaneously. This is due to the warring nature between dark energy and dark matter. It's been almost 24 hours since I saw it so I'm sure I got a thing or two wrong bringing it from them to here. It's beyond the grasp of human concept to try and encompass the entirety of our universe and how it came to be. Well done Onslaught! :yes:

*Meant to say Astronomers, not Astrologers
 
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You got me thinking on a whole other level right now :yes:

I'm glad I'm here to play a part in doing that...just think if everyone on this planet started to "think"...clear, critical, concise thinking...nothing would stop us! :smh::D

When eewwll posted this sometime back I had the same response, I was blown away. I never heard an interpretation of how probable alien civilizations could be like with such intricate detail before watching that clip.


thanks for reminding me about the Space Odyssey series, I need to watch those over again.

I wish Mr. Kubrick would have left that 1st 5 minutes in there...that shit would have explained a lot instead of me finding out eventually through all the probing I did! lol

By the way, on the same subject, did you ever see the episode of the X-Files where they encountered the rural town that was being over infested by roaches? Mulder found the miniature robot that was in roach form and took it to the robotics professor and he explained to him that if an advanced civilization was to explore the different star systems, they would send out robots as scouts to bring them back info. Interesting concept.
 
I'm glad I'm here to play a part in doing that...just think if everyone on this planet started to "think"...clear, critical, concise thinking...nothing would stop us! :smh::D



I wish Mr. Kubrick would have left that 1st 5 minutes in there...that shit would have explained a lot instead of me finding out eventually through all the probing I did! lol

By the way, on the same subject, did you ever see the episode of the X-Files where they encountered the rural town that was being over infested by roaches? Mulder found the miniature robot that was in roach form and took it to the robotics professor and he explained to him that if an advanced civilization was to explore the different star systems, they would send out robots as scouts to bring them back info. Interesting concept.


I have seen that episode like three times after the X-Files went into syndication. Great episode, I too like the concept.

The fact that they used a roach like insect to explore means that they were already familiar with the type of life forms on the planet to ensure the mechanized roach would go unnoticed. And since roaches have been around for millions of years, makes you wonder exactly how long they were watching the planet.
 
Michio Kaku is just a thrill to listen to :yes:

When he speaks I stop everything I do and listen. I have not read the book you have mentioned but I'm going to have to check it out. If you have not seen this vid already, Kaku basically outlines the different stages of how intelligent lifeforms in the universe would operate. He categorizes them in Type 1, type 2, and type 3 civilizations. eewwll showed me this vid.


excellent vid!!!!

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If you analyze closely what Kaku is saying he's basically talking about a New World Order. If...IF what we're going through right now in our country is a precursor of the so called transition from Type Zero to Type One does it mean we're resisting the inevitable? We're all afraid of change, especially since we can't see beyond our own noses. Perhaps with all these huge conglomerates coming together usurping governments and moving beyond nations and countries (and religions) is as inevitable as rain falling from clouds with the results after the fallout is us becoming a Type One.

Sorry. Didn't mean to go from Astronomy to Sociology. Couldn't resist :lol:
 
I was thinking more along the lines of seeing in all directions simultaneously but your analogy fits what I was thinking even better and visually it's more stimulating. A heluva concept!

Thank you...but I can't take credit for it...it amounts to all the stuff I've read over the years. I guess I'm just good at describing it and visualizing it.


Can you imagine the volume of energy it would take to make a quantum time machine? What materials would they use to contain such energy, not to mention what combination of collided nuclei it would take to create such energy! Billions of fusion generatirs couldn't get the job done. Exponentially speaking, it might take the gravitational energy of a black hole itself to displace time. Paradoxically, would it be us moving through time...or would time be moving around us?

Yeah, tons of energy! They are actually creating or have already a lab somewhere (someone help me out here) that's dedicated to creating this large amount of energy. The guy trying to create his own "universe" theorizes that he just needs to concentrate a vast amount of energy on one single point and bingo, you just created a universe...He said that the universe would continue to expand infinitely but it would be so small to us that we would no longer see it because it went into another dimension. From what I've been reading we exist with the 10 or so different dimensions around us, but they are so small we can't pin point them. That's why we would need a vast amount of energy to rip open one of the dimensions...example is the energy sphere (star) created by Dr. Octavious in Spiderman 3.



I was watching Scientific Frontier early Saturday Morning. Alan Alda was interviewing scientists and astrologers about this very subject. One guy stated the balloon theory as the "sphere" surrounding our universe is made of a thin membrane of plasma that's opaque and would "disappear" if we could ever catch up to it. All galaxies and everything in them are moving away from everything else simultaneously. This is due to the warring nature between dark energy and dark matter. It's been almost 24 hours since I saw it so I'm sure I got a thing or two wrong bringing it from them to here. It's beyond the grasp of human concept to try and encompass the entirety of our universe and how it came to be. Well done Onslaught! :yes:

Thanks again NN...I guess I'm not so crazy after all, especially if a theoretical physicists agrees with me! :D That made my night...:yes:
 
I have seen that episode like three times after the X-Files went into syndication. Great episode, I too like the concept.

The fact that they used a roach like insect to explore means that they were already familiar with the type of life forms on the planet to ensure the mechanized roach would go unnoticed. And since roaches have been around for millions of years, makes you wonder exactly how long they were watching the planet.

Smoke check ya PM's....

True the roach is seen as almost one of the most advanced lifeforms on the planet. The next lifeform to evolve on earth I think will be Nannites and robots. These will be the next wave of explorers for us. Nannites will be able to replicate themselves much like roaches. We can seed other worlds with them and they report back to us. After several generations.. maybe a year or more in nano terms. They can have advanced communications with us here on earth.

That way we can garner more info on damn near anything, without much risk of danger. The danger comes when humans themselves try to be the intermediary to something we dont understand and impose our will on it.
Nano machines will be impartial, and provide hard data..like a roach.
 
So from the explanation of the Fourth dimension in the first vid it would be safe to say that the character of DR Manhattan from the Watchmen is a fourth dimension being. Since he is aware of every moment of his life at any given moment
 
Dude you're right i was thinking the same thing!!! could it be that all thats happening right now with the european union, the african union, the soon to be north american union, and the asian union, to merge into one world goverment? Population control?, one world language like what Kaku said, i think Type 1 society will have a one world language to communicate which would be english.

And he said that there would be a struggle between countries and religions to accept change and that could be the difference between going from 0 to type 1 or we would destroy ourselves within that change or transition.
 
I have seen that episode like three times after the X-Files went into syndication. Great episode, I too like the concept.

The fact that they used a roach like insect to explore means that they were already familiar with the type of life forms on the planet to ensure the mechanized roach would go unnoticed. And since roaches have been around for millions of years, makes you wonder exactly how long they were watching the planet.

Yeah, it makes you think. I mean even down to the motor mechanics of an arthropod would be ideal for movement and manuerverablity because they have great balance and are able to navigate almost any terrain, withstand high levels of radiation, and still procreate after they've been neurologically killed...they are lil beasts! :lol:

If you analyze closely what Kaku is saying he's basically talking about a New World Order. If...IF what we're going through right now in our country is a precursor of the so called transition from Type Zero to Type One does it mean we're resisting the inevitable? We're all afraid of change, especially since we can't see beyond our own noses. Perhaps with all these huge conglomerates coming together usurping governments and moving beyond nations and countries (and religions) is as inevitable as rain falling from clouds with the results after the fallout is us becoming a Type One.

Sorry. Didn't mean to go from Astronomy to Sociology. Couldn't resist :lol:

NN, I've given great thought about this as well. I know this sounds a bit nerdy and "Trekish" but the Confederation of Planets would be a great way to pattern that New World Order...I mean you have unity but everyone still has an individual identity as far as a people. It's just your government is consolidated and nations' energies and resources would be coupled together for the good of the whole planet.

As with almost anything, fear of the unknown is what kills progress...
 
If you analyze closely what Kaku is saying he's basically talking about a New World Order. If...IF what we're going through right now in our country is a precursor of the so called transition from Type Zero to Type One does it mean we're resisting the inevitable? We're all afraid of change, especially since we can't see beyond our own noses. Perhaps with all these huge conglomerates coming together usurping governments and moving beyond nations and countries (and religions) is as inevitable as rain falling from clouds with the results after the fallout is us becoming a Type One.

Sorry. Didn't mean to go from Astronomy to Sociology. Couldn't resist :lol:

It can go either way. When you think about it an advanced civilization for the most part imo has moved past the state of constant warfare between themselves. Right now we're a tribal warfare type society. All great civilizations on other planets go through this stage imo, only the great ones rise above it.

They have also become a unified world with no boundaries, and one principle spiritual aspect that everyone follows. Also you have to take into account that not only would they be more advanced than us, but they would have to be more spiritually inclined to balance out the technological aspects of their society. Because technological advancement has the tendency to make some gravitate away from what makes you you (example, The Matrix).


In order for the dominant species of a planet to transcend to a higher level of consciousness they would have to unite the entire planet as one.






A one world government can be a good thing, but as you know the motives behind creating the one here are unjust and unannounced to the public, we don't have a choice in the matter. And it is being done through using ulterior motives and deception.


If nations and people actually went out of their way to unify and work towards a common goal, it would undoubtedly work.
 
Smoke check ya PM's....

True the roach is seen as almost one of the most advanced lifeforms on the planet. The next lifeform to evolve on earth I think will be Nannites and robots. These will be the next wave of explorers for us. Nannites will be able to replicate themselves much like roaches. We can seed other worlds with them and they report back to us. After several generations.. maybe a year or more in nano terms. They can have advanced communications with us here on earth.

That way we can garner more info on damn near anything, without much risk of danger. The danger comes when humans themselves try to be the intermediary to something we dont understand and impose our will on it.
Nano machines will be impartial, and provide hard data..like a roach.


I checked my pm, thanks



You're right for the most part. Our arrogance will doom us. Any en devour of goodwill we try to initiate dies before it starts because we don't understand that we're not the pinnacle of creation.


Nannites sound like a good idea, but look out if they acquire AI :smh:
 
Dude you're right i was thinking the same thing!!! could it be that all thats happening right now with the european union, the african union, the soon to be north american union, and the asian union, to merge into one world goverment? Population control?, one world language like what Kaku said, i think Type 1 society will have a one world language to communicate which would be english.

And he said that there would be a struggle between countries and religions to accept change and that could be the difference between going from 0 to type 1 or we would destroy ourselves within that change or transition.


There is no doubt in my mind that he could be apart of the 'inside crowd'. They do recruit the best and brightest.

When Adam Weishaupt founded the Order of the Illuminati he wanted to infiltrate the governments of the world and other establishments. Who knows who's really on the payroll. I know a good amount of scientist have to be.
 
yup I co-sign. probably a member of The Council of Foreign Affairs.

With that in mind. does that mean that we, as a whole, to just agree with them(NWO) in order for us go reach Type 1 society?
 
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