Bump on both of y'all post in regards to info.
Title throws off context, Black as in those current Africans then as opposed to just brown skinned people who weren't African.
Basically there in no "African" invasion of Europe.
What happend to the black people that ruled europe?
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Bump on both of y'all post in regards to info.
Title throws off context, Black as in those current Africans then as opposed to just brown skinned people who weren't African.
Basically there in no "African" invasion of Europe.
1)Moor means black.
2)Most(as high as 90%) were black; as were most of the generals and soldiers, but the ruling class was Arab.
3)The Arabs dind't invade Africa. The Hyksos(an arab tribe) had been in Egypt for 100 years but, after the death of the Pharoah Muhamed, they seized power in the confusion(around 1700 bc).
2)Most(as high as 90%) were black; as were most of the generals and soldiers, but the ruling class was Arab.
3)The Arabs dind't invade Africa. The Hyksos(an arab tribe) had been in Egypt for 100 years but, after the death of the Pharoah Muhamed, they seized power in the confusion(around 1700 bc).
We did have a discussion as to what was 'Moor' a few months back...think the thread got to about 3 pages or so. The board was heavily divided.
When you think about the invasion of Europe as it pertains to Black people you'll have to look at the points closest for this to happen such as Spain (the Iberian Peninsula) and Italy as someone mentioned earlier. East Europe is a mixed bag when you consider (theories of origin) the Muslims coming in from Turkey and east Asian influence in what would be the Eastern bloc. Even today Russians have some real physical features that heavily resemble groups of the Chinese. The further you get from the Mediterranean Sea, the more you have to look.
However, we have discussed Iberia...we have discussed Italy and its islands...but I don't think we have touched the commonly used term "olive complected" people of Greece. That might open up some new information on that corner of the land.
I'll be watching.
When you think about the invasion of Europe as it pertains to Black people you'll have to look at the points closest for this to happen such as Spain (the Iberian Peninsula) and Italy as someone mentioned earlier. East Europe is a mixed bag when you consider (theories of origin) the Muslims coming in from Turkey and east Asian influence in what would be the Eastern bloc. Even today Russians have some real physical features that heavily resemble groups of the Chinese. The further you get from the Mediterranean Sea, the more you have to look.
However, we have discussed Iberia...we have discussed Italy and its islands...but I don't think we have touched the commonly used term "olive complected" people of Greece. That might open up some new information on that corner of the land.
I'll be watching.
NOW exiledking thinks some of the moors were black.
Go back and read the thread. SOME Americans are Black as well... I made the same comparison in the other thread.
Brown skin people (if you mean like tan...) are also African. Paler skinned people are also African.
Africa is EXTREMELY diverse. NORTH AFRICA CULTURALLY and climate wise, tends to fall right in with the rest of the MAGHREB.... arab culture. EVEN BEFORE the ones who came out of Arabia spreading Islam made it there. Berbers... those Khadafi claimed descendence from.
1)Moor means BLACK in what language?
2)How did you determine such a count? (90%) Where would these Black folks come from? You do realize theres a Sahara Desert between North Africa and West Africa, yes? How does it get to be predominately Black to the point of 90% in the 10th century, but not that by now? Is there some mass extermination we aren't told about?
3) how can you say the Arabs didn't invade Africa?
Never heard of the Ummayad caliphate? Is that made up?
And as it pertains to #2, where did all these Back folks go, if there was no Arab invasion, even AFTER 1200? If no Arab invasion EVER happened, then it seems all those Black Moors would still be present even in North Africa.
North Africa is FAR from 90% Black now... what happened?
Arabia connects directly to North Africa AND Europe. You can walk right on into Egypt from there. Call Arabia Asia, or whatever ya wanna call it. Muhammad created Islam and spread it from out of there. The remnants of it are still there. And yeah, they got it into EUrope for a minute.
West Africa is SOuth of the Sahara Desert. There is no clear path that any mass amount of people would be traveling, ESPECIALLY NOT an army. From East to west below that desert is BLACK PEOPLE. Ethiopia, Kenya, Chad, Niger, parts of Mali, Mauritania, Nigeria, all that. Theres a plot of land bigger than the US between that territory and North Africa, which is only a short jump across the mediterranean sea to Souther Europe.
Arabs are from Arabia. It's really that simple.
This is a map of the Reconquista. The Europeans fight to regain control of the area. The green is Moor controlled land.
This is a portrait of Muhamad XII surrendering Greneda to King Ferdinand and Queen Isabella in 1492
The fucked up part is before Grenada fell the Spanish were attacking a nearby Moor city(can't remember the name) and they told the Sultan of Grenada they would be spared if they didn't interfere. But later, After their wedding, Isabella told Leopold she wanted the entire country to be christian. Who know what would have happened if Grenada joined the fight.
So.... We've been being pump-faked for centuries...
This is a map of the Reconquista. The Europeans fight to regain control of the area. The green is Moor controlled land.
This is a portrait of Muhamad XII surrendering Greneda to King Ferdinand and Queen Isabella in 1492
The fucked up part is before Grenada fell the Spanish were attacking a nearby Moor city(can't remember the name) and they told the Sultan of Grenada they would be spared if they didn't interfere. But later, After their wedding, Isabella told Leopold she wanted the entire country to be christian. Who know what would have happened if Grenada joined the fight.
So.... We've been being pump-faked for centuries...
count the black folk in this pic
The reason why I stated the previous like I did is because in my mind I'm thinking there would be another debate as to the make up of Arabs, like we had here with the Moors.
Turkey is smack dab in the middle so no doubt that could be the center of exchange among other points.
That was me playing migration advocate for a second.
But I totally get where you're going.
The reason why I stated the previous like I did is because in my mind I'm thinking there would be another debate as to the make up of Arabs, like we had here with the Moors.
Turkey is smack dab in the middle so no doubt that could be the center of exchange among other points.
That was me playing migration advocate for a second.
I feel ya
History always repeats itself...same script different actors playing the role...if you don't know your past...I can tell you who I want you to be in the future if you have no knowledge of self....like how Elvis "created" rock and roll...
^^^Well put.
The Arabs invaded Africa BEFORE Europe. I still don't see how flipping to the side of invaders is winning.
It's like if the Spanish just flipped and then did what the Arabs wanted. And Islam is an Arab religion. Period. End of story. The Arabs came out of Arabia on a mission and truly spread Islam by the sword. Who was first on the hit list?
The Arabs invaded Africa BEFORE Europe. I still don't see how flipping to the side of invaders is winning.
The Arabs came out of Arabia on a mission and truly spread Islam by the sword. Who was first on the hit list?
interesting question is...
If the Moors were Black and created all this wonderful shit in Europe that still stands... educated them, civilized them, etc... then why didn't they go and build all these lovely temples in West Africa the same way they did in Europe?
We see em in Arabia. We see em in North Africa. We don't see it in Sub Saharan Africa really. Kinda stops in the Sahel, and they damn sure aint built as solid as what they did in places their descendants currently live.
And if they were predominately Black in as late as the 14th century in North Africa.... where did they go? How all them white lookin North Africans get to be the dominant look in 600 years? Did the Moors just up and disappear?
interesting question is...
If the Moors were Black and created all this wonderful shit in Europe that still stands... educated them, civilized them, etc... then why didn't they go and build all these lovely temples in West Africa the same way they did in Europe?
We see em in Arabia. We see em in North Africa. We don't see it in Sub Saharan Africa really. Kinda stops in the Sahel, and they damn sure aint built as solid as what they did in places their descendants currently live.
And if they were predominately Black in as late as the 14th century in North Africa.... where did they go? How all them white lookin North Africans get to be the dominant look in 600 years? Did the Moors just up and disappear?
dude do you realize another name for Moor was Blackamoor.. not arabamoor.
blackamoor..
ever hear of Othello...??
is that your refutation to everything I just asked?
Yes, I heard of othello. what about him?
Where did they go?
You tryin to go as far as to say NO Moors are Arabs? wow, lets hear this
The reason why I stated the previous like I did is because in my mind I'm thinking there would be another debate as to the make up of Arabs, like we had here with the Moors.
Turkey is smack dab in the middle so no doubt that could be the center of exchange among other points.
That was me playing migration advocate for a second.
I feel ya
The Moors were Black..Most of the depictions of the Moors showed them as Black
Most? Did you just post MOST of em? Or did you just post one?
You saying if you and I decided to go tit for tat and post every pic we could find that shows Moors you'd find more than me?
And how are these Black men speaking and writing in Arabic? Building mosques? They invented Islam? Or did they take it from the Arabs and run to Europe with it? I'm confused.
interesting question is...
If the Moors were Black and created all this wonderful shit in Europe that still stands... educated them, civilized them, etc... then why didn't they go and build all these lovely temples in West Africa the same way they did in Europe?
We see em in Arabia. We see em in North Africa. We don't see it in Sub Saharan Africa really. Kinda stops in the Sahel, and they damn sure aint built as solid as what they did in places their descendants currently live.
And if they were predominately Black in as late as the 14th century in North Africa.... where did they go? How all them white lookin North Africans get to be the dominant look in 600 years? Did the Moors just up and disappear?
It's cherry picking like religion.
Arabs invade Africa = overlooked.
The invaded invade Europe bringing the language and religion of the original invaders =
And the Moors aren't even needed to be proud of black history.
Nope. Your orginal assertion- which you were adamant on- was the Moors were not black. Period.
Which is why its hilarious seeing you wax poetic like some learned historian on the matter now.
Nope. Your orginal assertion- which you were adamant on- was the Moors were not black. Period.
Which is why its hilarious seeing you wax poetic like some learned historian on the matter now.
You say they WERE BLACK- period.
Here's my assertion, since you wanna twist it.
The Moors are an Arab culture PREDOMINATELY. THEY INVADED WEST AFRICA AND EUROPE. when they invaded Europe certainly some Black folks were in the mix but an overwhelming percentage of them would not be what we call black today. They would be what we call Arab. They spoke Arabic. Their religion is of Arabic origin, their culture and art is Arabic. And I'll repeat it again for reference and comparison The Moors were less Black than present day America is.
The scholars who wrote about them are Arabic. Not ONE black writer of history among them.
The same area in the present day reflects it as it was then. If it wasn't, explain how it got to be like it is now.
You find one pic out of 20 with a Black face and wanna jump for joy. If you really read some African history you wouldn't need to be proud of that silly shit lol
Show some paintings of white Moors that were made before the 1800's
seriously bro, you coulda done this yourself. SOmeone else aready posted a pic in here that aint have nare Black Moor in it, and they were on the other side of this debate. Face it. You're not a Moor. You're not a descendant of a Moor. You don't need to be to have contributed greatly to human society.
Hey geniuses, name me some great Moor leaders. Then go and find out what part of the world they claim.
You're in spin mode. You were utterly clueless initially and were going off half cocked about shit you clearly had no idea about. You then backtracked after being exposed as a fraud and changed your tune. Now your stance is the majority wernt black.
As for pictures, im not looking for them. I will leave that to fly by their seat google historians such as yourself. I know the history.
As for pictures, im not looking for them. I will leave that to fly by their seat google historians such as yourself. I know the history.
seriously bro, you coulda done this yourself. SOmeone else aready posted a pic in here that aint have nare Black Moor in it, and they were on the other side of this debate. Face it. You're not a Moor. You're not a descendant of a Moor. You don't need to be to have contributed greatly to human society.
The white looking people you just posted are not Moors. They are Moriscos..These are the Europeans the Black Moors CONVERTED to Islam.
Nice try tho
bullshit, they're MOORS, period. They're fighting. Moriscos got expelled, there was no battle in that.
But hey, heres an indivisual MOOR with his name given and everything.
Averroes, a Moorish polymath, was the founder of the Averroism school of philosophy, and influential in the rise of secular thought in Western Europe
heres a list of influential MOORS. You can look up any of them, and if theres a pic of them... well you know what you'll find.
Tariq ibn Ziyad, Moorish general who defeated the Visigoths and conquered Hispania in 711.
Abd ar-Rahman I, founder of the Umayyad Emirate of Córdoba in 756; along with its succeeding Caliphate of Córdoba, the dynasty ruled Islamic Iberia for three centuries.
Ibn al-Qūṭiyya, Andalusian historian and grammarian.
Yahya al-Laithi, Andalusian scholar who introduced the Maliki school of jurisprudence in Al-Andalus.
Abbas Ibn Firnas, 810–887, Berber inventor and aviator who invented an early parachute and made the first attempt at controlled flight with a hang glider.
Maslamah Ibn Ahmad al-Majriti, died 1007, Andalusian writer believed to have been the author of the Encyclopedia of the Brethren of Purity and the Picatrix.
Abu al-Qasim al-Zahrawi (Abulcasis), Andalusian physician and surgeon who established the discipline of surgery as a profession with his Al-Tasrif in 1000.
Said Al-Andalusi, 1029–1070, Andalusian Qadi, historian, philosopher, mathematician and astronomer.
Abū Ishāq Ibrāhīm al-Zarqālī (Arzachel), 1029–1087, Andalusian astronomer and engineer who developed the equatorium and universal (latitude-independent) astrolabe and compiled a Zij later used as a basis for the Tables of Toledo.
Artephius, circa 1126, Andalusian scientist known as the author of numerous works of Alchemical texts, now extant only in Latin.
Ibn Bajjah (Avempace), died 1138, Andalusian physicist and polymath whose theory of motion, including the concept of a reaction force, influenced the development of classical mechanics.
Ibn Zuhr (Avenzoar), 1091–1161, Andalusian physician and polymath who discovered the existence of parasites and pioneered experimental surgery.
Muhammad al-Idrisi, circa 1100–1166, Moorish geographer and polymath who drew the Tabula Rogeriana, the most accurate world map in pre-modern times.
Ibn Tufail, circa 1105–1185, Arabic writer and polymath who wrote Hayy ibn Yaqdhan, the first philosophical novel.
Averroes (Ibn Rushd), 1126–1198, classical Islamic philosopher and polymath who wrote The Incoherence of the Incoherence and the most extensive Aristotelian commentaries, and established the school of Averroism.
Ibn al-Baitar, died 1248, Andalusian botanist and pharmacist who compiled the most extensive pharmacopoeia and botanical compilation in pre-modern times.
Ibn Khaldun, a pioneer of the social sciences and forerunner of sociology, historiography and economics, who wrote the Muqaddimah in 1377.
Abū al-Hasan ibn Alī al-Qalasādī, 1412–1486, Moorish mathematician who took the first steps toward the introduction of algebraic symbolism.
Leo Africanus, 1494–1554, Andalusian geographer, author and diplomat, who was captured by Spanish pirates and sold as a slave, but later baptized and freed.
Estevanico, also referred to as "Stephen the Moor", was an explorer in the service of Spain of what is now the southwest of the United States.
Ibn Battuta, an Islamic scholar and Moorish explorer who is generally considered one of the greatest travellers of all time.
Ibn Hazm, a Moorish polymath who was considered one of the leading thinkers of the Muslim World and is widely acknowledged as the father of Comparative religion studies.
Ibn Idhari, a Moorish historian who was the author of (Al-Bayan al-Mughrib) an important medieval text on the history of the Maghreb and Iberia.
This is a painting from the 14th century..This shows the Moorish rulers defending their castles in Europe AGAINST the whites
those are not Moors- they are Moriscos.... see how that works?
But lets just grant you theyre Moors... keep going. Youll be out of reference pics real fast.
bullshit, they're MOORS, period. They're fighting. Moriscos got expelled, there was no battle in that.
But hey, heres an indivisual MOOR with his name given and everything.
Averroes, a Moorish polymath, was the founder of the Averroism school of philosophy, and influential in the rise of secular thought in Western Europe
heres a list of influential MOORS. You can look up any of them, and if theres a pic of them... well you know what you'll find.
Tariq ibn Ziyad, Moorish general who defeated the Visigoths and conquered Hispania in 711.
Abd ar-Rahman I, founder of the Umayyad Emirate of Córdoba in 756; along with its succeeding Caliphate of Córdoba, the dynasty ruled Islamic Iberia for three centuries.
Ibn al-Qūṭiyya, Andalusian historian and grammarian.
Yahya al-Laithi, Andalusian scholar who introduced the Maliki school of jurisprudence in Al-Andalus.
Abbas Ibn Firnas, 810–887, Berber inventor and aviator who invented an early parachute and made the first attempt at controlled flight with a hang glider.
Maslamah Ibn Ahmad al-Majriti, died 1007, Andalusian writer believed to have been the author of the Encyclopedia of the Brethren of Purity and the Picatrix.
Abu al-Qasim al-Zahrawi (Abulcasis), Andalusian physician and surgeon who established the discipline of surgery as a profession with his Al-Tasrif in 1000.
Said Al-Andalusi, 1029–1070, Andalusian Qadi, historian, philosopher, mathematician and astronomer.
Abū Ishāq Ibrāhīm al-Zarqālī (Arzachel), 1029–1087, Andalusian astronomer and engineer who developed the equatorium and universal (latitude-independent) astrolabe and compiled a Zij later used as a basis for the Tables of Toledo.
Artephius, circa 1126, Andalusian scientist known as the author of numerous works of Alchemical texts, now extant only in Latin.
Ibn Bajjah (Avempace), died 1138, Andalusian physicist and polymath whose theory of motion, including the concept of a reaction force, influenced the development of classical mechanics.
Ibn Zuhr (Avenzoar), 1091–1161, Andalusian physician and polymath who discovered the existence of parasites and pioneered experimental surgery.
Muhammad al-Idrisi, circa 1100–1166, Moorish geographer and polymath who drew the Tabula Rogeriana, the most accurate world map in pre-modern times.
Ibn Tufail, circa 1105–1185, Arabic writer and polymath who wrote Hayy ibn Yaqdhan, the first philosophical novel.
Averroes (Ibn Rushd), 1126–1198, classical Islamic philosopher and polymath who wrote The Incoherence of the Incoherence and the most extensive Aristotelian commentaries, and established the school of Averroism.
Ibn al-Baitar, died 1248, Andalusian botanist and pharmacist who compiled the most extensive pharmacopoeia and botanical compilation in pre-modern times.
Ibn Khaldun, a pioneer of the social sciences and forerunner of sociology, historiography and economics, who wrote the Muqaddimah in 1377.
Abū al-Hasan ibn Alī al-Qalasādī, 1412–1486, Moorish mathematician who took the first steps toward the introduction of algebraic symbolism.
Leo Africanus, 1494–1554, Andalusian geographer, author and diplomat, who was captured by Spanish pirates and sold as a slave, but later baptized and freed.
Estevanico, also referred to as "Stephen the Moor", was an explorer in the service of Spain of what is now the southwest of the United States.
Ibn Battuta, an Islamic scholar and Moorish explorer who is generally considered one of the greatest travellers of all time.
Ibn Hazm, a Moorish polymath who was considered one of the leading thinkers of the Muslim World and is widely acknowledged as the father of Comparative religion studies.
Ibn Idhari, a Moorish historian who was the author of (Al-Bayan al-Mughrib) an important medieval text on the history of the Maghreb and Iberia.
You just posted a picture of Averroes and tried to pass him off as a Moor.. There are no references to him being a Moor.Thats why scholars say claim he was Moor-ISH..Meaning kind of like a moor..Can you please post something that states the person is a MOOR and they look white...
those are not Moors- they are Moriscos.... see how that works?
But lets just grant you theyre Moors... keep going. Youll be out of reference pics real fast.
Sounds like you are copping out..I just posted a group of Moors with very Black skin fighting a group of white soldiers.And the pic is from the actual time period when the Moors ruled that area.
But according to you the moors were not Black..So we should believe you and not our lying eyes?
bullshit, they're MOORS, period. They're fighting. Moriscos got expelled, there was no battle in that.
heres a list of influential MOORS. You can look up any of them, and if theres a pic of them... well you know what you'll find.
Tariq ibn Ziyad, Moorish general who defeated the Visigoths and conquered Hispania in 711.
Abd ar-Rahman I, founder of the Umayyad Emirate of Córdoba in 756; along with its succeeding Caliphate of Córdoba, the dynasty ruled Islamic Iberia for three centuries.
Ibn al-Qūṭiyya, Andalusian historian and grammarian.
Yahya al-Laithi, Andalusian scholar who introduced the Maliki school of jurisprudence in Al-Andalus.
Abbas Ibn Firnas, 810–887, Berber inventor and aviator who invented an early parachute and made the first attempt at controlled flight with a hang glider.
Maslamah Ibn Ahmad al-Majriti, died 1007, Andalusian writer believed to have been the author of the Encyclopedia of the Brethren of Purity and the Picatrix.
Abu al-Qasim al-Zahrawi (Abulcasis), Andalusian physician and surgeon who established the discipline of surgery as a profession with his Al-Tasrif in 1000.
Said Al-Andalusi, 1029–1070, Andalusian Qadi, historian, philosopher, mathematician and astronomer.
Abū Ishāq Ibrāhīm al-Zarqālī (Arzachel), 1029–1087, Andalusian astronomer and engineer who developed the equatorium and universal (latitude-independent) astrolabe and compiled a Zij later used as a basis for the Tables of Toledo.
Artephius, circa 1126, Andalusian scientist known as the author of numerous works of Alchemical texts, now extant only in Latin.
Ibn Bajjah (Avempace), died 1138, Andalusian physicist and polymath whose theory of motion, including the concept of a reaction force, influenced the development of classical mechanics.
Ibn Zuhr (Avenzoar), 1091–1161, Andalusian physician and polymath who discovered the existence of parasites and pioneered experimental surgery.
Muhammad al-Idrisi, circa 1100–1166, Moorish geographer and polymath who drew the Tabula Rogeriana, the most accurate world map in pre-modern times.
Ibn Tufail, circa 1105–1185, Arabic writer and polymath who wrote Hayy ibn Yaqdhan, the first philosophical novel.
Averroes (Ibn Rushd), 1126–1198, classical Islamic philosopher and polymath who wrote The Incoherence of the Incoherence and the most extensive Aristotelian commentaries, and established the school of Averroism.
Ibn al-Baitar, died 1248, Andalusian botanist and pharmacist who compiled the most extensive pharmacopoeia and botanical compilation in pre-modern times.
Ibn Khaldun, a pioneer of the social sciences and forerunner of sociology, historiography and economics, who wrote the Muqaddimah in 1377.
Abū al-Hasan ibn Alī al-Qalasādī, 1412–1486, Moorish mathematician who took the first steps toward the introduction of algebraic symbolism.
Leo Africanus, 1494–1554, Andalusian geographer, author and diplomat, who was captured by Spanish pirates and sold as a slave, but later baptized and freed.
Estevanico, also referred to as "Stephen the Moor", was an explorer in the service of Spain of what is now the southwest of the United States.
Ibn Battuta, an Islamic scholar and Moorish explorer who is generally considered one of the greatest travellers of all time.
Ibn Hazm, a Moorish polymath who was considered one of the leading thinkers of the Muslim World and is widely acknowledged as the father of Comparative religion studies.
Ibn Idhari, a Moorish historian who was the author of (Al-Bayan al-Mughrib) an important medieval text on the history of the Maghreb and Iberia.
Out of all the people you just named,please find an image of any of them from the TIME PERIOD THAT WAS CONTEMPORARY TO THEM. Don't find some modern,white washed picture and claim that is what Moors looked like. Find paintings from the middle ages of a white moor,where the painting states that the person is a moor.
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You're full of shit. I've said the same thing the entire time.
If you're not gonna actually show me evidence of what YOURE ACTUALLY SAYING instead of continually trying to tell me what I'm saying, then just go away quietly bro.
It's ok. Nice tactic of trying to passive aggressively mock what I'm saying but it doesn't actually prove your point. Nice if you'd rather play childish games rather than get to the information. If all you got is names to call then I'll just go back to ignoring you.
You're not making any sense.
And I guess you're not gonna spend any real time addressing any of it.
MoorISH instead of MOOR... Lol ok
I posted actually Moors. Hundreds of em.
You can't name ONE person, and provide a Pic of a Black man from that era or even slightly behind it. You can find a few pics with nameless Black faces, but for some reason NOT ONE known leader.
I post names including the name of the general directly responsible for leading the first attack and win that made the place called Al Andalus, yet you're still asking me for contemporaries.
I don't get it. Don't play word games. I gave you a list and all you can do is ASSERT who you think they really are with no evidence.
All this Arabic and you just wanna snap your fingers and wipe that away. Boom. Now they're Black lol.
Just name me someone. Who is this great Black Moorish general? Philospher? Mathematician? Artist? Anyone you can link to? Surely you could with ALL THEM BLACKAMOORS on the shields and in all those pics everywhere.
And again... Where did they go? Once they left Southern Europe did they go back to North Africa? Then what? Where are there descendants?
Oh that's right, in America. So how did this nation get over still as this great moorish nation in tact. No writings? None? Not even an artifact?
Somehow the people even named a country MOROCCO Later, yet, no great Black leaders were a part of that, nor the Ottoman Empire formed after that. In Turkey you start to see all these names that somehow these modern Black moors in America now decide to use- they can call themselves BEY, and other titles, yet no evidence of that existing at any other point in history between 700 ... Til 1920, the time the moorish science temple appears in our community.
And somehow all of this is disconnected from West African history that we have tons of documented evidence from DNA to language to art and culture... All this connects us to THAT. But fuck that, who wants to be THOSE PEOPLE?
I do. You can lie to yourself about who you are if you want to. I'm proud of my real heritage. I ain't running to be no damn 8th century Arab.
The op got it right w the original question that none of you have even attempted to answer: WHAT HAPPENED TO THEM?
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There you go misappropriating terms again. Theres nothing passive aggressive about calling you out on your shit. Saying you are a googling historian and fraud is a factual observation. As for getting in the actual back and forth on the merits, its useless and circular at this point. Its all been said and proven before. You're a fraud bro. And you're clueless. Im merely here laughing at your tired routine while communicating to casual readers that you are full of shit and have been thoroughly worked on this and other related topics countless times.
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