Unconditional Relationships..Do They Still Exist
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Unconditional is a word man uses to sell organized religion and trashy romance novels to the masses...
Every thing is conditional.....Everything.
*two cents*
In a very real sense, I agree with your position.
Pussy is pussy. Dick is dick. Bills have to paid.
If you have a mate that is willing to contribute to the household and provide comfort to you, then what more do you want?
There is no such thing as a perfect match.
Soul mates.
Lasting relationships last because the participants don't act impulsively.
New pussy will be old pussy in a very short time. New dick will be old dick in a very short time.
Your fucked up attitude will piss off that new person in a very short time.
For the most part, folks jump from relationship to relationship because of their own faults, defects and shortcomings.
This question has nothing to do with dicks, new or old pussy nor does it have anything to do with "organized religion and trashy romance novels."
This is about people feeling so strongly about each other that nothing else matters. We are not dealing on a primal level. This is about when the other matters more than yourself. For instance the love a mother has for her child. A relationship that's unconditional would be to have a relationship with someone that is without bounds. Meaning there is nothing one would not do for the other.
This is about people feeling so strongly about each other that nothing else matters. We are not dealing on a primal level. This is about when the other matters more than yourself. For instance the love a mother has for her child. A relationship that's unconditional would be to have a relationship with someone that is without bounds. Meaning there is nothing one would not do for the other.
Yup. My my 2nd Wedding anne just passed this Tuesday.
The very realtionship of parent-child is based in the CONDITION of the title "parent" and "child" .
Now if the parent loved ALL children and not only his/her own than that would be uncoditional love for children...and even that would be a condition...."children".
Everything has a condition and a cost. Nothing is free.
sorry to burst your bubble.
*two cents*
Unconditional Love or Unconditional Relationships??
I am a witness that unconditional love exists because I love and am in love w/ someone regardless what they have done to me. I still have their back and I dont know how to walk away. I have my flaws and they have theirs. And I am still willing to make things work.
Now is there a such thing as unconditional relationships? I am sure there is for some, but I cant vouch for that one. If you have only one person that has unconditional love and the other doesnt then the relationship cant be unconditional.
I am a witness that unconditional love exists because I love and am in love w/ someone regardless what they have done to me. I still have their back and I dont know how to walk away. I have my flaws and they have theirs. And I am still willing to make things work.
Now is there a such thing as unconditional relationships? I am sure there is for some, but I cant vouch for that one. If you have only one person that has unconditional love and the other doesnt then the relationship cant be unconditional.
Unconditional Love or Unconditional Relationships??
I am a witness that unconditional love exists because I love and am in love w/ someone regardless what they have done to me. I still have their back and I dont know how to walk away. I have my flaws and they have theirs. And I am still willing to make things work.
Now is there a such thing as unconditional relationships? I am sure there is for some, but I cant vouch for that one. If you have only one person that has unconditional love and the other doesnt then the relationship cant be unconditional.
I agree. There's always gonna be that one that that will always have a place no matter what.
The very realtionship of parent-child is based in the CONDITION of the title "parent" and "child" .
Now if the parent loved ALL children and not only his/her own than that would be uncoditional love for children...and even that would be a condition...."children".
Everything has a condition and a cost. Nothing is free.
sorry to burst your bubble.
*two cents*
Sorry to disappoint you but your not bursting my bubble! I asked the question because I know they do exist. I'm living that type relationship.
Now judging from your comments and your insistence upon conditions I know you cannot comprehend that type relationship, not everyone can. There's a upper level of maturity and spiritual feelings that's shared. There is no me, there is no she there is only us.
Ha! Nice jab with the higher level of maturity and spirituality comment. We agree to disagree.... Everything is conditional based either in the realm of substance or time. This is most true in relationships. More substance based on the front end more time based on the back depending on the length of the relationship. That is why it is easier for a couple of 50 years to accept the flaws of there partner as oppose to a couple that just meet. Every her of an older couple where one has to wipe the others ass? It's not love as much as time put in. Time is the condition.
"Time won't give me time/ but time makes lovers feel, like what we got is real/ but you and me we know we got nothing but time/ And time won't give me time.
- "Clock of the Heart" Culture Club
Enjoy your romance.
*two cents*
Unconditional Love or Unconditional Relationships??
I am a witness that unconditional love exists because I love and am in love w/ someone regardless what they have done to me. I still have their back and I dont know how to walk away. I have my flaws and they have theirs. And I am still willing to make things work.
Now is there a such thing as unconditional relationships? I am sure there is for some, but I cant vouch for that one. If you have only one person that has unconditional love and the other doesnt then the relationship cant be unconditional.
I agree, I mean really what is an unconditional relationship? Hopefully, in an ideal world, it would be that with the person with whom we share unconditional love for, we could have a perfect relationship, with no fights and only love and good things. But that isn't always the case, because life happens.
Would you be willing to make it work with someone you love, who gambles all your familiy's money away? Or had a drinking problem? At what point is the love not enough?
The love is not enough when you realize they dont give two shits about you. That they will lie to you unnecessarily even when you know the truth but are willing to wipe the slate clean, the love is not enough when they leave you at a time you need them the most, the love is not enough when you realize they are so selfish and arrogant that they will jeopardize your life and make it seem as no big deal,the love is not enough when they forget about how you stood by their side when they were wrong but can only come down on you for your mistakes, the love is not enough when you realize just because you love them, that doesn't mean they love you.
And once you realize it, it makes it that much easier for you to go on your way regardless of your circumstances.
And once you realize it, it makes it that much easier for you to go on your way regardless of your circumstances.
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I wish it was that simple.
Hmmm...you just earned my respect, most cats would have taken that as a reason to sli...um, "go in".
My dime and a nickel, my real fifteen...:
'Unconditional love', much like 'love' is a mindset.
It is a conglomerate of behaviors, thoughts, and principles.
It is not really unconditional as such, let's not get too far out there!! But, there is a level that two people can reach in a short time, in a long time, based on the character traits, the financial reality, the security factors, the sexual factors, that allow them to create a fluid bond that can endure the ever present flaw of our ideals and expectations.
Even you must admit that, at some point, she(assumption...*smiles*) met a certain standard of beauty, she did certain things, and made you feel -and hopefully- think a certain way. If not, either you are the type that will romantically love anyone, or you are in love with the ideal of love.
I enter my social setting. People allow me to do things no other person can. My friends smile or say,"J...you tripping, moe!" They make sure that I remain safe, and they always have my best interest at heart, no matter the faux pas. They never lose respect for what brought us together. And they never stop relying on me.
So, in my own way, I think I know what you are experiencing....
Unconditional Love or Unconditional Relationships??
I am a witness that unconditional love exists because I love and am in love w/ someone regardless what they have done to me. I still have their back and I dont know how to walk away. I have my flaws and they have theirs. And I am still willing to make things work.
Now is there a such thing as unconditional relationships? I am sure there is for some, but I cant vouch for that one. If you have only one person that has unconditional love and the other doesnt then the relationship cant be unconditional.
One must keep things in perspective, when I say unconditional it is a two way street. Not where one is putting in their all while the other has a different agenda. Understand there still are no guarantees as to what tomorrow will bring. A car can run well today but won't start tomorrow morning. But a Lady-Wiz stated, "There's always gonna be that one."
Unconditional doesn't mean a perfect relationship but how you work together to resolve the challenges that lie ahead. No relationship is without problems but its how you work to resolve them that makes a difference.
the only way an unconditional love can exist is when both parties are 100% honest with one another.. once trust is gone that uncondtioned aspect is GONE...... yes they can exist if no one lies.. its simple... i couldve loved my ex forever if she never lied to me... thats the ultimate form of diserespect and a liar deserves no respect ..EVER a liar is a cheater and a cheater is a liar..
OK I got to ask how you take love out of the equation? Sex alone is not enough. So if there's no love between you and yours what holds the relationship together?
The very realtionship of parent-child is based in the CONDITION of the title "parent" and "child" .
Now if the parent loved ALL children and not only his/her own than that would be uncoditional love for children...and even that would be a condition...."children".
Everything has a condition and a cost. Nothing is free.
sorry to burst your bubble.
*two cents*
Unfortunately, I have to attempt to awaken a sleeping mind. Your view of condition is a prime example of taught thinking (programmed/brainwashed).
You are totally not paying attention to the word "Unconditional" which in lame terms means no limit. And Conditional means obviously the opposite...with limits. Now if you limit yourself then you are conditional and that's what it seems you are promoting in this thread. You are also voicing your opinion as a fact which in reality is totally off.
Now the love that a parent have for their child usually or use to be unconditional...meaning no matter how much that child messes up or hurt them, they are still their for their child. As for your comeback to that example...if you really can recall the phrase "It takes a village to raise a child" then you would know that all parents in that village/community love all children whether they took part in birthing them or not. Everyone looked out for each other. But with your way of thinking...is part of the element of the problem of today's time, not knowing what things really mean and not caring to find out but base your own misunderstanding and a fact or theory.
It's the LACK OF that's hurting us as a people. The lack of wanting to really know the truth. The lack of respecting one another. The lack of working towards a common goal for the betterment of both you and others. The lack of morals. The lack of wanting to truly understand instead of thinking you know everything. The lack of responsibility. The lack of putting in time and work. The lack of appreciation. The lack of cherishing...etc
It's too much of 'every person for him/herself", too much of not caring about anything or anyone, too much of people having children not being parents, too much of pointing the finger without first looking at oneself and trying to come up with a solution that can contribute to resolving the problem, too much of opinions and not seeking the truth (the real fact), too much of neglecting the necessities and chasing the wants & luxuries, too much hypocrisy, too much double standards, too much of valuing PAPER IOUs (money/currency) instead of valuing family and loveones...etc
The OP is asking of question of where did all the real values go in today's time...not to be so-called debunked by a logical/philosophical Europeanized definition of what you think conditional or unconditional is. That way of thinking is what created this mess. Majority of people like that want but don't want to put in the work to maintain what they have...nothing stays the same (it's constantly evolving or growing/changing), so you would need to be flexible enough to bend with it instead of being so stern that it may break. CONDITIONAL is that sternness that will eventually break but UNCONDITIONAL is that bend, that flexibility needed.
a symbolic example...if you build a skyscraper or bridge with sternness (conditional) then the weather alone will destroy it and break it down faster than what it took to be built. But if you build that skyscraper or bridge to be flexible (unconditional) then it would stand the test of time or at least last for more than a decade (many decades).
And you're analogy of time being the condition is also flawed because the mind defies time. Your example shows learned love not genuine "in-love" love...meaning you can learn love someone that you originally didn't love and you've invested too much time to turn back because you understand that you can't get the time back and you start to appreciate that person and notice important qualities of that person that you would normally overlook because the initial eye-catching qualities they lacked when you met them. But when you are in-love with someone there is no such thing as time. You can have sex with them (normal sex nothing to jump for joy about) and it will appear to be mind blowing and last for more than a day. That person can still feel the effects of the intercourse as if they just did it 5 seconds ago and it could've been almost a week ago. Time flies past you because you're enjoying each others presence. You can be on the phone with that individual and say nothing for a whole hour and it would seem like they were only quiet for a half a minute...just to know that their presence is on the other end of that call is sufficient enough. You could never get tired or bored with that individual which time can often do (meaning ware things down after some time). When you are in-love (unconditional love) time means nothing, money means nothing, outside opinions means nothing, just being in that person's presence is enough. You can accept that person's flaws from the beginning when in-love, compare to learning to tolerate a person's flaws through time.
I'm not attacking you...just bring clarity to the subject.
That's for breaking it down for him. The question now is will he see your response. You have far more patience than me. I dismissed that guy after his second response. I made a promise to myself to not dwell in negativity. He seemed to be looking for an argument which I wasn't going to give him the satisfaction of.
SOL unlike BGOL is a place where you usually can have mature discussions its obvious that is not always the case with everyone.
Thanks for the assist.
But nobody is 100% honest with the ones they love. Maybe 90% or 95%, but never 100% because if we were that honest it would break up the relationshipthe only way an unconditional love can exist is when both parties are 100% honest with one another.. once trust is gone that uncondtioned aspect is GONE...... yes they can exist if no one lies.. its simple... i couldve loved my ex forever if she never lied to me... thats the ultimate form of diserespect and a liar deserves no respect ..EVER a liar is a cheater and a cheater is a liar..
arranged marriages or marriages that people get into before they love eachother.OK I got to ask how you take love out of the equation? Sex alone is not enough. So if there's no love between you and yours what holds the relationship together?
I didn't think arraigned marriages were still prevalent within today's society. The idea of an arraigned marriage is sickening at any level.
If they do exist, they seem to be very rare... at least on the surface. I only know a handful of couples that seem to be very happy and into one another. Married cats tell me all the time: "Don't do it!"
But nobody is 100% honest with the ones they love. Maybe 90% or 95%, but never 100% because if we were that honest it would break up the relationship
arranged marriages or marriages that people get into before they love eachother.
thats the problem... real love does not lie....... if u are lying then u are not in love at all....... if u cant tell your partner the truth at all times than u are not in love u are just practicing
Actually, once 2 people commit that they will make their marriage work it can be successful and the love can grow from it. And if the families of the 2 people were close, it makes it have a bigger chance of success... after look at the divorce rates of people who marry for "love"I didn't think arraigned marriages were still prevalent within today's society. The idea of an arraigned marriage is sickening at any level.
I guess you've never lied to a parent or person you loved (for whatever reason).
Unconditional Love or Unconditional Relationships??
I am a witness that unconditional love exists because I love and am in love w/ someone regardless what they have done to me. I still have their back and I dont know how to walk away. I have my flaws and they have theirs. And I am still willing to make things work.
Now is there a such thing as unconditional relationships? I am sure there is for some, but I cant vouch for that one. If you have only one person that has unconditional love and the other doesnt then the relationship cant be unconditional.
That's the problem with me and my ex. I loved her without any conditions, and still love her *which pisses me off because I know it will never be return to me*. The unconditional love is a very stressful version...
I'm not going to argue what I know nothing about. With the lack of commitment I see today in relationships from couples that elect to marry, it seems hard to believe that arranged marriages actually work today. Kids today are rebellious by nature.
I'm about to piss off some people (women in particular) with this statement. Most women today don't marry for love. Today they marry for financial security.
MO!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I'm about to piss off some people (women in particular) with this statement. Most women today don't marry for love. Today they marry for financial security.
Can the church say amen???
I think it's possible but very rare ... there always seems to be one person in the relationship doing more, feeling more,wanting more while the other is going through the motions
100% Cosign
((((((Hugz))))) I can totally relate hon...
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