Ultimate Horror Film Thread

My guy, he's depicted as very slow moving until the plot requires him to move fast and then, suddenly, he has the ability to teleport. That's my point, the film is inconsistent and implausible. You're not making a good argument by pointing out how inconsistent this dumb ass franchise is.

And, no, he wasn't considered "autistic." He was considered retarded. That's it. People with autism often have higher than normal intelligence, Jason doesn't. He's retarded or, if you prefer, intellectually disabled.

You heard of someone who killed multiple people with an axe, huh? Who gives a fuck? That doesn't make Jason plausible.

He doesn't just run into a room and kill multiple people in a frenzy. He systematically hunts people down and usually kills multiple people before the survivors know there's anything wrong. That requires cunning and the ability to plan not just bloodlust. You know this but you keep making dumb ass strawman arguments by bringing up shit that's not at all like Friday The 13th.

And why do you keep mentioning his size? His size is irrelevant here since he's superhumanly strong and durable. He doesn't survive being shot and have the ability to manhandle anyone because he's big. IRL, big guys die just as easily from gunfire as anyone else and can be overwhelmed by multiple people or one person who's good at hand-to-hand combat. Jason is a superhuman not just a big, strong cornfed guy.

Now post the video of Jason being shot to pieces by a SWAT team and argue that's more plausible than Silence of the Lambs or Seven. Go ahead. Make a fool of yourself on this thread.
Show me where he teleports? I’ve never seen Jason teleport in any movie..this is your concept.. I literally showed you various movies of him walking fast, running, jumping through shit..you obviously don’t know Jason.. you keep asking questions that’s been answered in the beginning.. Bern said Jason was dead.. been said Jason movies know they not real unlike someone whose been trying to argue other fake genres are realistic.. like I said Jason knows he’s fake , you should start realizing your movie genre where people should just leave the house and never return is fake.. nobody uses the word retarded anymore they say autistic..do you not know this? Ask someone in the medical field what they call people with mental disabilities in 2025/2026..autistic.. like I said in the 80s they would say retarded, in 2025/2026 they say autistic.. in the 80s they use to call it retard strength cause some of them were very strong, fast, etc.. notice Jason, is strong, fast.. there’s different levels of autism..seems like you don’t know this.. there’s people who were considered retarded that were gifted in the 80s, from drawing, to remembering things, etc .. seems like you don’t know that history.. a few decades ago people considered the r word to be offensive and started saying autistic
 
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Gawd, you're making stupid arguments again. Who said he was "great"? That's not even the argument.

Here are the two claims I made about Buffalo Bill:
1) He was a more plausible villain than Jason
2) He was, rather than Lecter, the main villain

This stuff about him being "great" or not is subjective and silly.

By the way, Ted Levine, who played Buffalo Bill, had a great career. He starred in quite few really good films and was a regular cast member of the TV series Monk. Just because you think his career didn't "take off" after Lambs is meaningless.

And, yes, removing him from the film would completely change the nature of the film. There would be no point in Clarice even interacting with Lecter if not for Buffalo Bill. He's vital to the film.
If there was a child killer on the loose and they needed Hannibal help does the movie still exist..the answer is yes.. his services was needed and they asked for his help.. like I said you can switch villains, stories of why Clarice meets Hannibal and people still love silence of the lambs cause of Hannibal and Clarice interaction.. that’s the whole point.. if you had to eliminate a character or switch roles buffalo bill is the weakest link.. it’s meaningless also that Hannibal had spinoffs and stuff cause of his character right? When fans scream for more it’s utterly meaningless to fulfill their wants with the product desire right.. you keep mentioning critics but fail to mention fans wanting to see more of a character and that’s why he had spinoffs.. you don’t like to mention critics and fans when it pushes my point of view right but will mention critics to try to prove yourself correct or try to insult my claims.. ull mention critics and fans for talk to me , but wont mention fans for the spinoffs of Hannibal and many sequels of slasher films.. you tried to shit on saw that made more money on a lesser budget and cheaper tix price than talk to me, made it seem like only a certain demographic liked saw but made it seem like everyone and their mother that laid eyes on talk to me instantly fell in love, noticed you didn’t say only people that like that small brand of genre..you’re funny with your fake snobbish typing
 
Where did I say conjuring films aren’t successful? Sharknado was garbage to but it has many fans.. there are a lot of garbage things that made money.. you act like making money automatically means it was good.. everyone knows something can be trash and still be successful.. music, movies, products, etc.. you talking about critics like I give a fuck about what some of them say.. lots of critics have shitted on black films well cause they were black.. critics talked shit about boomerang cause there were to many successful black people in the film, critics talk negatively about the Cosby show cause the father was a doctor and the mother was successful.. so let’s not talk about critics when they’ve been racially bias and negative towards certain genre of films like horror
More strawmanning. I never claimed you said they were unsuccessful. I'm calling you out for shitting on something that's popular despite constantly using the argument ad populism fallacy. This isn't rocket science. I'm pointing out that you move the goal post when it's convenient.

So you agree popular stuff can be trash, right?! Good. Now whenever I call something you like trash, please don't tell me how popular it is. Popularity doesn't equate to quality, we both agree about that, right...?
 
Who’s the killer in final destination? What costume does the killer wear? If I wanted to dress like slashers people know what Jason outfit is, Michael Myers, chucky, Freddy Krueger, saw, etc notice the common theme a slasher is a character, a person.. there is no slasher in final destination..you gonna dress up like a log since that’s what killed a bunch of people in the beginning of final destination 2, a ceiling fan?, a rollercoaster? A plane? It’s an entity like a ghost but its death not a slasher.. terrifier would be considered a slasher film but like people say it’s over the top that’s why they call it a Gorno cause it’s next level gore…. Black phone 2 shows him killing kids, also scream 3 never really shows that much slashing due to columbine but every1 knows it’s a slasher.. black phone 1 he literally kills his brother with an ax, smacks him over the head.. oh you forget this and the fact some of the kids are bloody up from their attacks.. you trying to not call slashers slashers not me
Now, you're just pulling rules out of your ass. In Final Destination, the killer is death. That's pretty well established. There's no rule that says that a slasher must contain a human killer in a costume. Those are rules you invented.

Furthermore, there's no difference between "gorn" and a slasher. It's just a slasher that contains more gore than usual. Slashers are known for trying to outdo what came before when it comes to violence and gore. A slasher taken to it's logical conclusion isn't a new genre. It's the same shit just with more of what it has always had -- violence and gore.

Oh, the conversation was about the first Black Phone. I haven't even seen the sequel so I'm not arguing about what's depicted in it.
 
Dude you been shitting on slashers calling them boring and unrealistic..this is you.. you said name a slasher film that was different or changed..I said scream , saw..than you tried to shit on saw and said the ending was garbage etc.. this is you shitting on a genre..yet you get mad when I said how are ghost films realistic, or silence of the lamb.. you tried to act like Hannibal and the chick wasn’t the main characters and that movie revolves them and their interactions..that buffalo was a side character that could’ve easily been replaced with another maniac and it still would’ve been good based off Hannibal and Clarice.. than you get mad that people that never saw the movie still know who Hannibal is and not buffalo bill
I said slashers were unoriginal and just the same shit over and over. That's what triggered you even though you, apparently, can't even remember me writing it.

And, yes, I find them boring. That's not shitting on them. That's just sharing my opinion which I only did after you started shitting on supernatural horror.

And, my guy, everyone calls slashers like Friday The 13th and Nightmare on Elm Street unrealistic, even fans of slashers. When you have a villain that can't be killed and keeps returning from the dead, among other supernatural feats, that is, by definition, unrealistic.

I've never gotten mad at anything you've said in here. You're arguments are far too goofy to make me mad, my guy.
 
Show me where he teleports? I’ve never seen Jason teleport in any movie..this is your concept.. I literally showed you various movies of him walking fast, running, jumping through shit..you obviously don’t know Jason.. you keep asking questions that’s been answered in the beginning.. Bern said Jason was dead.. been said Jason movies know they not real unlike someone whose been trying to argue other fake genres are realistic.. like I said Jason knows he’s fake , you should start realizing your movie genre where people should just leave the house and never return is fake.. nobody uses the word retarded anymore they say autistic..do you not know this? Ask someone in the medical field what they call people with mental disabilities in 2025/2026..autistic.. like I said in the 80s they would say retarded, in 2025/2026 they say autistic.. in the 80s they use to call it retard strength cause some of them were very strong, fast, etc.. notice Jason, is strong, fast.. there’s different levels of autism..seems like you don’t know this.. there’s people who were considered retarded that were gifted in the 80s, from drawing, to remembering things, etc .. seems like you don’t know that history.. a few decades ago people considered the r word to be offensive and started saying autistic
Autism and retardation (intellectual disabilities) are two very different things, my guy. People haven't started calling intellectual disabilities "autism," at least not experts. People with autism often have higher than normal intelligence.

As for teleporting:


Now where's your excuse for him being able to return from the dead? Are you going to argue that's realistic too?
 
Now, you're just pulling rules out of your ass. In Final Destination, the killer is death. That's pretty well established. There's no rule that says that a slasher must contain a human killer in a costume. Those are rules you invented.

Furthermore, there's no difference between "gorn" and a slasher. It's just a slasher that contains more gore than usual. Slashers are known for trying to outdo what came before when it comes to violence and gore. A slasher taken to it's logical conclusion isn't a new genre. It's the same shit just with more of what it has always had -- violence and gore.

Oh, the conversation was about the first Black Phone. I haven't even seen the sequel so I'm not arguing about what's depicted in it.
Literally if you look up slasher it says a killer or killers.. I literally posted the google definition as well as another definition pages ago word for word,. I even told you to look it up and yet you didn’t.. it ain’t my definition, it’s the definition giving by the people that created it.. I never said the clown nig wasn’t a slasher flick, I said people put it in another slasher category when it’s never level gorefest.. so what are you arguing the definitions now?
 
Autism and retardation (intellectual disabilities) are two very different things, my guy. People haven't started calling intellectual disabilities "autism," at least not experts. People with autism often have higher than normal intelligence.

As for teleporting:


Now where's your excuse for him being able to return from the dead? Are you going to argue that's realistic too?

You said he teleported.. not the directors, the producers, the writers.. once again this is a you thing.. remember you consider him slow.. maybe he ran up that bitch and pulled him down.. remember you said he’s slow moving even though I proved he wasn’t by showing you various segments of him running and moving fast.. so you are the only person that says Jason teleports, once again this guy creates his own narrative that is shared by no one, same guy that argues with definition, let me guess you argued with the dictionary to
 
I said slashers were unoriginal and just the same shit over and over. That's what triggered you even though you, apparently, can't even remember me writing it.

And, yes, I find them boring. That's not shitting on them. That's just sharing my opinion which I only did after you started shitting on supernatural horror.

And, my guy, everyone calls slashers like Friday The 13th and Nightmare on Elm Street unrealistic, even fans of slashers. When you have a villain that can't be killed and keeps returning from the dead, among other supernatural feats, that is, by definition, unrealistic.

I've never gotten mad at anything you've said in here. You're arguments are far too goofy to make me mad, my guy.
Goofy? Same guy that argued that toxic avenger wasn’t a superhero.. than I posted the trailer where they called him a superhero multiple times in the trailer, same guy that says Jason teleports and because 1 person with a Tic tock said it he thinks it’s true.. you 1 of them nigs..I got it no need to argue.. remember Jason shoots bow and arrows, than you quickly switch that narrative to no his mom did it once it part 1( but you was pushing it like it was Jason and his weapon of choice)
 
If there was a child killer on the loose and they needed Hannibal help does the movie still exist..the answer is yes.. his services was needed and they asked for his help.. like I said you can switch villains, stories of why Clarice meets Hannibal and people still love silence of the lambs cause of Hannibal and Clarice interaction.. that’s the whole point.. if you had to eliminate a character or switch roles buffalo bill is the weakest link.. it’s meaningless also that Hannibal had spinoffs and stuff cause of his character right? When fans scream for more it’s utterly meaningless to fulfill their wants with the product desire right.. you keep mentioning critics but fail to mention fans wanting to see more of a character and that’s why he had spinoffs.. you don’t like to mention critics and fans when it pushes my point of view right but will mention critics to try to prove yourself correct or try to insult my claims.. ull mention critics and fans for talk to me , but wont mention fans for the spinoffs of Hannibal and many sequels of slasher films.. you tried to shit on saw that made more money on a lesser budget and cheaper tix price than talk to me, made it seem like only a certain demographic liked saw but made it seem like everyone and their mother that laid eyes on talk to me instantly fell in love, noticed you didn’t say only people that like that small brand of genre..you’re funny with your fake snobbish typing
Why would they need Hannibal's help looking for a killer who had no history with him? That doesn't make sense. Without Buffalo Bill, there would be no point in involving Lecter.

Now, if you're making a hypothetical about a child killer who also was a patient of Hannibal Lecter, sure. But, then, again you don't need Lecter either. There's plenty of films about an officer attempting to catch a killer that doesn't involve speaking to another killer.

Without Ted Levine's character, it's a very different movie. If you replace Buffalo Bill with Heath Ledger's Joker, the movie won't work. If you replace him with a killer who isn't transexual, the movie doesn't work. It's a complete work of art. Just can't just remove a piece and claim it'll be a success regardless.

And I repeat -- Buffalo Bill is the main villain. Lecter is in prison. He's not the person they're going after. The only reason he's consulted is because Buffalo Bill was briefly a patient of his. That's it.

There have been Silence of the Lambs spinoffs that don't even include Hannibal Lecter so your point is moot here.

And you're the one who brought popularity into this conversation. I don't give a single shit how many people like something I enjoy or share my opinions. You keep talking about having polls to see if people agree to this or that. Who cares?

Let me make this clear -- I don't care if 10 out of 10 dentists disagree with me. Everyone has opinions and I'm entitled to my own. Now, if it's a matter of fact, then show me where I'm wrong about something and I'll admit to it. I have no problem admitting a mistake.
 
Literally if you look up slasher it says a killer or killers.. I literally posted the google definition as well as another definition pages ago word for word,. I even told you to look it up and yet you didn’t.. it ain’t my definition, it’s the definition giving by the people that created it.. I never said the clown nig wasn’t a slasher flick, I said people put it in another slasher category when it’s never level gorefest.. so what are you arguing the definitions now?
My guy, death is the killer. That's my point. People aren't dying from random accidents. They're literally being killed by an unseen entity. So, if a movie like Hollow Man comes out where the killer is invisible, would it no longer be a slasher because you can't see the killer? That's basically what you're saying.
 
Why would they need Hannibal's help looking for a killer who had no history with him? That doesn't make sense. Without Buffalo Bill, there would be no point in involving Lecter.

Now, if you're making a hypothetical about a child killer who also was a patient of Hannibal Lecter, sure. But, then, again you don't need Lecter either. There's plenty of films about an officer attempting to catch a killer that doesn't involve speaking to another killer.

Without Ted Levine's character, it's a very different movie. If you replace Buffalo Bill with Heath Ledger's Joker, the movie won't work. If you replace him with a killer who isn't transexual, the movie doesn't work. It's a complete work of art. Just can't just remove a piece and claim it'll be a success regardless.

And I repeat -- Buffalo Bill is the main villain. Lecter is in prison. He's not the person they're going after. The only reason he's consulted is because Buffalo Bill was briefly a patient of his. That's it.

There have been Silence of the Lambs spinoffs that don't even include Hannibal Lecter so your point is moot here.

And you're the one who brought popularity into this conversation. I don't give a single shit how many people like something I enjoy or share my opinions. You keep talking about having polls to see if people agree to this or that. Who cares?

Let me make this clear -- I don't care if 10 out of 10 dentists disagree with me. Everyone has opinions and I'm entitled to my own. Now, if it's a matter of fact, then show me where I'm wrong about something and I'll admit to it. I have no problem admitting a mistake.
You care about popularity that’s why you made sure to mention conjure box office success and claimed critically how everyone loved talk to me.. in fact you like to mention how certain slashers critically were clowned.. you are the biggest pusher of this was critically acclaimed and this movie wasn’t.. I never use critically claim cause I don’t but you do and that’s why you’ve mentioned it numerous times on here.. so stop lying about you not caring what people think, you obviously do cause you love using the term
 
My guy, death is the killer. That's my point. People aren't dying from random accidents. They're literally being killed by an unseen entity. So, if a movie like Hollow Man comes out where the killer is invisible, would it no longer be a slasher because you can't see the killer? That's basically what you're saying.
Death is not a slasher..once again what his outfit.. go look up the 10 best slasher characters and guess who won’t be up there.. you know why? Cause death is not a slasher.. slasher films have slasher characters..but once again you trying to argue with definitions..like I said you don’t care about truth just your opinion.. now you using stupid logic.. hollow man is a person .. he is a character..wow you really are clueless
 
You said he teleported.. not the directors, the producers, the writers.. once again this is a you thing.. remember you consider him slow.. maybe he ran up that bitch and pulled him down.. remember you said he’s slow moving even though I proved he wasn’t by showing you various segments of him running and moving fast.. so you are the only person that says Jason teleports, once again this guy creates his own narrative that is shared by no one, same guy that argues with definition, let me guess you argued with the dictionary to
I said he's slow?? My guy, he's depicted as slow moving most of the time he's on screen. Your eyes will show that he's slow until they need him to suddenly have an unrealistic burst of speed.

And don't tell me that ladder scene is at all realistic. He watched the guy climb nearly the entire way up and then bounced up there to grab him down. You know that's bullshit.
 
Goofy? Same guy that argued that toxic avenger wasn’t a superhero.. than I posted the trailer where they called him a superhero multiple times in the trailer, same guy that says Jason teleports and because 1 person with a Tic tock said it he thinks it’s true.. you 1 of them nigs..I got it no need to argue.. remember Jason shoots bow and arrows, than you quickly switch that narrative to no his mom did it once it part 1( but you was pushing it like it was Jason and his weapon of choice)
More lies. I never said he wasn't a superhero, dumbass. I said the film was a horror. In fact, I proved to you that I agreed that it was a superhero film the last time we had this argument and you conceited I never said it wasn't. Now, you've changed your mind again.

This why I say you don't argue in good faith.
 
You care about popularity that’s why you made sure to mention conjure box office success and claimed critically how everyone loved talk to me.. in fact you like to mention how certain slashers critically were clowned.. you are the biggest pusher of this was critically acclaimed and this movie wasn’t.. I never use critically claim cause I don’t but you do and that’s why you’ve mentioned it numerous times on here.. so stop lying about you not caring what people think, you obviously do cause you love using the term
That's all you've mentioned since you been in this thread is how popular some or another movie is. You did it with Jaws, Friday the 13th, and Nightmare on Elm Street. You claimed that you asked your friends if they thought Toxic Avenger was a horror. You care about popular opinion.

Furthermore, you're the one who keeps talking about having polls to ask people's opinion on this or that topic. Again, you care about popular opinion.
 
I said he's slow?? My guy, he's depicted as slow moving most of the time he's on screen. Your eyes will show that he's slow until they need him to suddenly have an unrealistic burst of speed.

And don't tell me that ladder scene is at all realistic. He watched the guy climb nearly the entire way up and then bounced up there to grab him down. You know that's bullshit.
They showed ole boy climb from his perspective, they showed you a gap.. that doesn’t mean he wasn’t behind them, they just wanted you to think he had a chance to escape and bam he got tossed off.. that doesn’t mean Jason teleported or mean Jason wasn’t a fast climber
 
Death is not a slasher..once again what his outfit.. go look up the 10 best slasher characters and guess who won’t be up there.. you know why? Cause death is not a slasher.. slasher films have slasher characters..but once again you trying to argue with definitions..like I said you don’t care about truth just your opinion.. now you using stupid logic.. hollow man is a person .. he is a character..wow you really are clueless
What is his outfit? Who cares? That's a rule you invented. There's nothing that says the killer needs an outfit or has to be a person for it to be considered a slasher. You're inventing arbitrary rules.
 
That's all you've mentioned since you been in this thread is how popular some or another movie is. You did it with Jaws, Friday the 13th, and Nightmare on Elm Street. You claimed that you asked your friends if they thought Toxic Avenger was a horror. You care about popular opinion.

Furthermore, you're the one who keeps talking about having polls to ask people's opinion on this or that topic. Again, you care about popular opinion.
Ok Mr critically acclaimed.. you don’t care about popularity but have said this shit more than 5 times.. you care about popularity that’s why..even though you claim you don’t.. my fault you only care when popularity works towards your narrative
 
What is his outfit? Who cares? That's a rule you invented. There's nothing that says the killer needs an outfit or has to be a person for it to be considered a slasher. You're inventing arbitrary rules.
You fucking idiot I literally said google slasher, it literally says what are the rules of slasher films or what makes films considered slashers..I noticed you don’t pull up the definition like you did with other topics.. hollow man wore bandages in some parts and I seen people dress up in those bandages for Halloween.. funny how hollow man a human which is a character still had a certain look… you can’t mention what death look like.. this is why hollow man could be a slasher using your narrative and not death
 
Ok Mr critically acclaimed.. you don’t care about popularity but have said this shit more than 5 times.. you care about popularity that’s why..even though you claim you don’t.. my fault you only care when popularity works towards your narrative
I brought it up to prove you move the goal post. You constantly bring up popularity when I give a reason for not liking something as if that invalidates my view. So, I brought up popularity for the stuff you called trash.

I'm calling your bluff.
 
You fucking idiot I literally said google slasher, it literally says what are the rules of slasher films or what makes films considered slashers..I noticed you don’t pull up the definition like you did with other topics.. hollow man wore bandages in some parts and I seen people dress up in those bandages for Halloween.. funny how hollow man a human which is a character still had a certain look… you can’t mention what death look like.. this is why hollow man could be a slasher using your narrative and not death
Here's a list of 13 rules of slashers. Not one of them mentions outfits, you dumb bitch. You can't even get your own rules straight.

Also Hollow Man was naked, you fucking idiot. The invisibility only applied to his flesh. When he wasn't killing, he wore normal clothes.
 
I brought it up to prove you move the goal post. You constantly bring up popularity when I give a reason for not liking something as if that invalidates my view. So, I brought up popularity for the stuff you called trash.

I'm calling your bluff.
Zzzzzz now you all of a sudden started saying critical acclaim cause of me …man thrown in the title you already lost
 
He didn't wear that mask when he was killing people, yah dumbass. When he became psychopathic and started killing people, he was completely invisible therefore naked.
Oh my god so he had an outfit..but now since he didn’t wear a mask when he killed everyone it didn’t count lmaooooo..

You know Jason didn’t always wear a hockey mask in every scene he killed somebody to

But guess what if you saw someone with a hockey mask you quickly associate it with Jason.. throw in the towel homie you lost
 
Here's a list of 13 rules of slashers. Not one of them mentions outfits, you dumb bitch. You can't even get your own rules straight.

Also Hollow Man was naked, you fucking idiot. The invisibility only applied to his flesh. When he wasn't killing, he wore normal clothes.
The fucking idiot is you.. if someone had that mask on they would associate it with hollow man idiot


I notice you didn’t go to Wikipedia

Killer or killers using sharp weapons..wait wait I said that many times
 
Oh my god so he had an outfit..but now since he didn’t wear a mask when he killed everyone it didn’t count lmaooooo..

You know Jason didn’t always wear a hockey mask in every scene he killed somebody to

But guess what if you saw someone with a hockey mask you quickly associate it with Jason.. throw in the towel homie you lost
He had several outfits. He literally dressed like a normal person. There's no characteristic outfit like Jason's mask or Freddy's sweater in this movie. You're failing here.
 
The fucking idiot is you.. if someone had that mask on they would associate it with hollow man idiot


I notice you didn’t go to Wikipedia

Killer or killers using sharp weapons..wait wait I said that many times
No one associates the mask with Hollow Man, you moron. The film is about an invisible villain. By definition there's no outfit associated with him because he's associated with invisibility.

Since you brought up Wikipedia, here's a list of slashers on the site. Let's see if you agree Pumpkinhead is a slasher:

Oh, BTW, it's also lists Terrifier as a slasher.
 
He had several outfits. He literally dressed like a normal person. There's no characteristic outfit like Jason's mask or Freddy's sweater in this movie. You're failing here.

That’s great but if I had this mask on everyone would say hollow man.. which goes back to what his mask, people can say this is his disguise
 
No one associates the mask with Hollow Man, you moron. The film is about an invisible villain. By definition there's no outfit associated with him because he's associated with invisibility.

Since you brought up Wikipedia, here's a list of slashers on the site. Let's see if you agree Pumpkinhead is a slasher:
Superman saved some people with out wearing his cape.. are you gonna say that if you saw somebody with a red cape and a s on their chest that he’s not dressed as Superman cause he didn’t always save people when he had an cape?


This is you idiot going this isn’t hollow man even though people associate him with the mask
 
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