Ultimate Horror Film Thread
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Just got out. Loved the concept
Didn't love the stereotype gang bangers that feel like they stepped out of a 90s parody
This could’ve been even effective without that shit
Didn't love the stereotype gang bangers that feel like they stepped out of a 90s parody
This could’ve been even effective without that shit
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A stinker
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I'm seeing people trying to rewrite history like this sh*t was good?
This is a property in the RIGHT hands? Could be a seriously good franchise
It's considered a slasher film by, literally, no one but you. Now, everyone can have their own ideas about film genres but you take this subject way too seriously to just assert stuff because you believe it should be that way.
If you want to consider The Black Phone a slasher, fine, I really don't care but don't try to correct me when I say The Toxic Avenger a horror when nearly everyone considers it a comedy horror.
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Except you ignored my points about how stupid it is that no one else would know the area as well as Jason and the fact that an undead being with superhuman strength is implausible to the point of being impossible.
So, yeah, quite "easy" when you answer the easiest question and ignore the rest.
And why, exactly, were they interacting? Was she a student studying serial killers for a term paper, were they ex-lovers? My guy, they were interacting because Hannibal had been the therapist to Buffalo Bill and his lover and the FBI was searching for Buffalo Bill.
There would be no reason whatsoever for Clarice and Lecter to interact if not for Buffalo Bill. Removing him from the movie would completely change the dynamic of the film. No offense, but what you're offering is remedial level film criticism.
And, no, replacing Buffalo Bill with another killer would dramatically change the film and have led to it not being so highly regarded. If Buffalo Bill was played like Longlegs, I doubt the movie would've been a hit. The interaction between Buffalo Bill and Katherine, while less prominent than Lecter and Clarice, was still an important aspect of the film and just replacing him as if he's a generic murderer wouldn't work.
Bringing up prequels, sequels, and TV shows is irrelevant. We're talking about a specific film called Silence of the Lambs. The plot of that film was about the FBI searching for a serial killer who kidnapped a senator's daughter. Buffalo Bill was the main antagonist in that film.
He has the upper hand because the plot demands that he has the upper hand. Being naturally big doesn't mean squat. Jason is a low IQ individual who has little interaction with people. The idea that he can somehow plan these elaborate murder plots where multiple people are killed in different scenarios before anyone really knows what's going on is nonsense.
You can't point to a single scenario like this in real life because it has never happened. Serial killers in reality are usually of average to high intelligence. They work over months to years and usually come off as charming to those who know them. None of this matches Jason's description.
The only scenarios that remotely matches Jason's in reality are mass shootings. You can give a unintelligent, anti-social loser a rifle and he can kill multiple people in minutes. Hell, I'll even concede someone like that could kill a few people with a machete if they attacked people in a large crowd but that's as far as it goes.
A slow moving moron isn't going to be systematically killing people in a group without the group realizing and coming up with a plan. No one needs to know martial arts or survivalism to deal with a threat like Jason in reality. In slasher films it's a different story because Jason isn't just big and "knows the area." He's also superhumanly strong, durable, and fast. None of that is plausible.
A guy playing dead getting up off the floor is "greatness" to you??? My guy, you're a cheap date. It's like how somebody says some silly shit when they're smoking and someone else who's also high calls it "deep." Yeah, I guess it's "deep" to shallow thinkers.
I give you Scream was different but that was because it was a meta fiction which was a tired concept by the 1990s, it just hadn't been applied to a slasher film before. The movie was still goofy and implausible. It pointed out the goofy tropes in slasher films while still relying on the same goofy tropes. Wow.
And I noticed you ignored how much money the Conjuring series has made. For someone who's constantly bringing up popularity and profits as if that's what makes a good film, you're conspicuously ignoring the popularity and profits of the Conjuring series. I guess popular opinion isn't important when it disagrees with you, huh?
Go look up the definition of a slasher film.. literally will tell you killer or killers that use weapons like knives, axes, etc that kill multiple victims, usually that stalk their victims, usually wear mask or costume, usually victims are teens, young adults.. so black phone has a mask man that stalk teen males and kills them with sharp tools and has multiple victims.. so how wasn’t black phone a slasher film again? The sequel people said he literally tried to be a slasher film icon when comparing him to Freddy Krueger, in the sequel you see him stabbing multiple victims, stalking teens, and wearing a mask.. i guess something that barks, with 4 legs, that’s in the k-9 species is no longer a dog, hey pit bull everything about you says dog but you no longer in the community, just like you masked man, that stalks and kills teens with sharp weapons black phone villan
Primate had no darn right to be that freaking enjoyable
If buffalo bill was so great why did he have the least screen time than Hannibal and Clarice? If he was so great why wasn’t there no sequels, prequels, series about him? Why is he not the most recognizable character in silence of the lambs? Why didn’t that actor career takeoff cause of his legendary character? To try to act like you could take out Hannibal or Clarice and keep buffalo and it would’ve been a hit is complete bullshit.. yes buffalo bill could’ve been replaced with some serial rapist/ murderer, a pedo, etc.. do you want to make a separate thread asking the people who was bigger Hannibal or buffalo bill? That if you takeout Hannibal would silence of the lambs still been a great movie to people..no one would believe that shit but you
I never watched the conjuring films , so I don’t talk about films I don’t watch..I already said I think a lot of these ghost films are garbage so no need to keep watching
Only your ass will act like the ending to saw wasn’t greatness..want to ask playahatiain , John Doe , and other members about the saw ending and do they think it was great? Do you want to ask people did they think the original saw film was really good.. once again you the only 1 that believes that ending was a great fucking twist, you the only 1 that don’t think saw wasn’t an original idea and did something great for its genre.. but than again you the one that thought talk to me was great a super duper extra mid film
Do you want to do a vote on which movie was better.. saw or talk to me?
Yeah I’m a cheap date.. yet usual suspects get mad props cause keyser soze was the fake cripple all along that walked straight at the end and made up the whole story.. or seven gets love cause in the end the killer was the reporter that chopped up this guy wife head at the end..oh wait I seen you give props to the cheap date ending.. but villain laying on floor putting dudes through this whole survival game from start to finish wasn’t good, got it.. talk to me fan got to remember this guy hypes up talk to me
Slow moving? I literally showed vids on here where Jason is literally speed walking, jumping through windows, etc..hell Jason actually ran after someone in Friday the 13th.. to say his size means nothing is the dumbest thing in the world, when height , size, and strength are usually why people can whip, hurt someone.. the main reason why people don’t think men should hit women is cause of our size and strength..men tend to be taller, heavier, and stronger… Jason is special needs or in this day and age they would call him autistic, if you know about autism they actually can be very strong, move fast, and have high intelligence in certain areas.. it’s funny you mentioning a few serial killers intellect like they represent the whole, there’s definitely been special needs serial killers, not very book smarts and socially awkward killers… the common thing is killing multiple people..how they do it , how long they been doing it differs… you can kill 5 people in 6 months using the same weapon..you killed multiple people and you used the same weapon guess what you are officially a serial killer… you stay trying to move the goal post…. I know someone that killed multiple people with an ax by himself , made the news, he was bipolar, he wasn’t Jason height or as
strong and yet was still able to pull it off..now he behind bars for multiple life sentences… like I said people have been killed in groups by one person with sharp objects since the beginning of time
Jason running
2:46 mark jason jumps through window
There goes that false slow moving comment
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For a man that love ghost movies where houses are haunted but no one leaves on the first day but thinks that’s realistic finds more flaws where 6 foot 6 guys with machetes are able to manhandle frail body people that’s under 6 feet tall with no self defense skills.. this guy goes wow a movie where dead entities appear in people houses bot nobody goes what dead people in the house let’s hop in the car and never come back, but instead goes let’s stay here for years even though they hurt my kids, possess them, hurt me, let’s just tolerate this stuff and hopefully eventually we get along..nope never fuck this house hop in the car the end..but wait more people come to the same house and do the same thing and yet you find this stuff good? The same guy that goes why do people keep returning to crystal lake but doesn’t question a person returning to the same possessed house interesting..I could leave house and move into the other millions of houses that don’t have dead ghost in them or comeback tomorrow.. yet this is your fave genre..hey guys talk to me..let’s have a dead person take over my body that sounds fun, wait you thought this was a good concept? A realistic concept? Something that sounds highly intelligent? Have a ghost take over my body yeah I don’t see how this won’t go wrong? But you champion this and watch the other 100,000 flicks where nobody goes let’s fucking leave this house on the first night… yeah I could see many people staying in a house with dead people scaring or hurting them or I can see people going yeah I want a ghost to take over my body that sounds like fun..fuck outta here..this guy tries to analyze and dissect everything negatively in a slasher film but watches mad wack ass ghost flicks that are garbage compared to the og poltergeist flick.. every ghost flick in the past 26 yrs do the bone snapping stiff body twist , somebody climbing up a wall, the undertaker eyes, some low shrill voice talking possessed voice, same “specialist” coming through talking to the dead ghost and trying to get them out..super boringgggg
This is a good synopsis overall. I did notice one error though. The narrator claims the film The Last Horror Film invented the found footage genre when, in fact, Cannibal Holocaust, released two years before, was the first film of the genre.
He's not shown murdering anyone, at all. It's a psychological horror film about a serial killer. The Final Destination films show more people being killed by sharp objects than the The Black Phone ever shows but, according to you, it's not a slasher film. Hell, you've even claimed Terrifier isn't a slasher film because the violence is over the top so it's a "gorn" film.
You don't need to die on this hill. Just admit what you consider to be a slasher is arbitrary and we can move on.
Gawd, you're making stupid arguments again. Who said he was "great"? That's not even the argument.
Here are the two claims I made about Buffalo Bill:
1) He was a more plausible villain than Jason
2) He was, rather than Lecter, the main villain
This stuff about him being "great" or not is subjective and silly.
By the way, Ted Levine, who played Buffalo Bill, had a great career. He starred in quite few really good films and was a regular cast member of the TV series Monk. Just because you think his career didn't "take off" after Lambs is meaningless.
And, yes, removing him from the film would completely change the nature of the film. There would be no point in Clarice even interacting with Lecter if not for Buffalo Bill. He's vital to the film.
1) You do realize the Conjuring films are highly successful right? So even if you believe they're garbage, the public doesn't. And since you're constantly making argument ad populism, the public's opinion should matter to you. That is unless you're moving the goalpost...
2) Do you want me to show you what critics thought about Saw? That shit was nearly universally panned by critics. No one outside of goofy slasher fans were impressed by it. As for playahaitian, we disagree on a lot shit. We're still cool and respect each other's difference of opinion.
3) Sure, I don't give a shit. I'm not even a big Conjuring fan. There are way better supernatural horror films about there. I'll still watch it over Saw though.
I've never shared my opinion on The Usual Suspects so you can't be referencing anything I've posted when you bring that up.
As for Seven, yes, it's a better film than Saw. I've never went above and beyond on my praise of it though. You're in here glazing Saw like it's the best film since The Seventh Seal.
Anyway, this is all subjective and not even the point of the argument which is that crime thrillers are more realistic than slasher films. Pretty much everyone agrees they're more grounded in reality except you for some reason.
Oh and one more thing... Hypes up Talk To Me? You mean the film that received nearly universal accolades? Yeah, I liked Talk To Me and so did nearly everyone who has seen it. What's your point?
My guy, he's depicted as very slow moving until the plot requires him to move fast and then, suddenly, he has the ability to teleport. That's my point, the film is inconsistent and implausible. You're not making a good argument by pointing out how inconsistent this dumb ass franchise is.
And, no, he wasn't considered "autistic." He was considered retarded. That's it. People with autism often have higher than normal intelligence, Jason doesn't. He's retarded or, if you prefer, intellectually disabled.
You heard of someone who killed multiple people with an axe, huh? Who gives a fuck? That doesn't make Jason plausible.
He doesn't just run into a room and kill multiple people in a frenzy. He systematically hunts people down and usually kills multiple people before the survivors know there's anything wrong. That requires cunning and the ability to plan not just bloodlust. You know this but you keep making dumb ass strawman arguments by bringing up shit that's not at all like Friday The 13th.
And why do you keep mentioning his size? His size is irrelevant here since he's superhumanly strong and durable. He doesn't survive being shot and have the ability to manhandle anyone because he's big. IRL, big guys die just as easily from gunfire as anyone else and can be overwhelmed by multiple people or one person who's good at hand-to-hand combat. Jason is a superhuman not just a big, strong cornfed guy.
Now post the video of Jason being shot to pieces by a SWAT team and argue that's more plausible than Silence of the Lambs or Seven. Go ahead. Make a fool of yourself on this thread.
More bad faith arguments. When did I ever claim ghost films are realistic? Point it out. Quote me. I dare you. I double dare you. You won't be able to because you know I never once claimed that.
I said thriller films are more realistic than slashers. That was the argument all along. Anyone with half a brain would be able to see a genre that usually depicts murderers as regular people is more plausible than a genre that often depicts killers who can survive fatal injuries (e.g. Jason) or can alter reality (e.g. Freddy). This is nothing but common sense.
I like ghost films. You like slashers. So what? People like what they like. The difference is you felt the need to shit on supernatural horror and claim that it's not scary because it's unrealistic all the while trying to make a film about an unkillable, undead zombie as something that's grounded in reality. This is Donald Trump level gaslighting you're doing here, my guy.
I don't need to justify liking something by trying to argue it's realistic. Watching scary realistic shit isn't actually that fun. I watch films, including horror films, to escape the horrors of reality not be reminded of them. Slashers don't remind me of reality but I do find them boring so I usually avoid them.
By the way, didn't you big up The Exorcist and The Entity? Now you're shitting on supernatural horror and ghost films. It's almost like you want to argue and will switch opinions to do just that.
But since you are a fan of The Entity, I guess, you should know ghosts are often depicted as following people to different locations. That was a big part of the film. So it's usually more complicated than just leaving the house. Furthermore, they are often shown only affecting one member, usually but not always a child, of the family. So the disbelief of parents and other authority figures that anything is actually happening is usually an important plot point.
But continue to gaslight as if it's always as simple as "leaving the house."
Where did I say conjuring films aren’t successful? Sharknado was garbage to but it has many fans.. there are a lot of garbage things that made money.. you act like making money automatically means it was good.. everyone knows something can be trash and still be successful.. music, movies, products, etc.. you talking about critics like I give a fuck about what some of them say.. lots of critics have shitted on black films well cause they were black.. critics talked shit about boomerang cause there were to many successful black people in the film, critics talk negatively about the Cosby show cause the father was a doctor and the mother was successful.. so let’s not talk about critics when they’ve been racially bias and negative towards certain genre of films like horror
Who’s the killer in final destination? What costume does the killer wear? If I wanted to dress like slashers people know what Jason outfit is, Michael Myers, chucky, Freddy Krueger, saw, etc notice the common theme a slasher is a character, a person.. there is no slasher in final destination..you gonna dress up like a log since that’s what killed a bunch of people in the beginning of final destination 2, a ceiling fan?, a rollercoaster? A plane? It’s an entity like a ghost but its death not a slasher.. terrifier would be considered a slasher film but like people say it’s over the top that’s why they call it a Gorno cause it’s next level gore…. Black phone 2 shows him killing kids, also scream 3 never really shows that much slashing due to columbine but every1 knows it’s a slasher.. black phone 1 he literally kills his brother with an ax, smacks him over the head.. oh you forget this and the fact some of the kids are bloody up from their attacks.. you trying to not call slashers slashers not me
Dude you been shitting on slashers calling them boring and unrealistic..this is you.. you said name a slasher film that was different or changed..I said scream , saw..than you tried to shit on saw and said the ending was garbage etc.. this is you shitting on a genre..yet you get mad when I said how are ghost films realistic, or silence of the lamb.. you tried to act like Hannibal and the chick wasn’t the main characters and that movie revolves them and their interactions..that buffalo was a side character that could’ve easily been replaced with another maniac and it still would’ve been good based off Hannibal and Clarice.. than you get mad that people that never saw the movie still know who Hannibal is and not buffalo bill
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