True or false: "Biologically, you are either male or female."

[Art Vandelay]

A biological genital deformity doesn't make it the rule.

Changing the language from "hermaphrodite" to "intersexed" won't legitimize transexual behavior (or vice versa) on some biological level.

It's wrong to conflate a biological deformity at birth with being transexual. They are not the same.

It means there is no rule. This population of people is bigger than the number of people with cystic fibrosis, for instance.

Also, I don't think changing the language is about legitimizing behavior. It is about describing people in a fair and respectful way, just as with the change in language from colored and Negro to African-American and black.

Lastly, I wasn't conflating "a biological deformity at birth with being transexual." But that is one of many factors which could cause somebody to identify with a gender which differs from the one which they were assigned at birth. And people need to be more aware of things like that.

 

[Art Vandelay]

People seem to enjoy taking a very, very small percentile and magnifying it until it becomes a "thing." Why? I have no idea. Out of the 320 million some odd people in this country how many exactly are we talking about here?

We're talking about people-- That's all that matters here. We have to acknowledge that life is not just black and white, male and female and as clear cut in every instance as some people may wish.

 

[Lexx Diamond]

I am disgusted to see that this is actually a topic for discussion on bgol...

The OP is tranny loving faggot bent on spreading faggotry acceptance on BGOL. BTW he was Costanza then Yahweh and now he's fuck boy Art Vanderlay who still ain't check into to hand verification thread.

 

[BigDaddyBuk]

"MOST people are SECURELY male or female. SOME people are genetically mixed up."

That means "It is false that all people are biologically male or female."

Why not acknowledge that?

because there is not empirical data to support your statement.

 

[Art Vandelay]

Thats exactly what you do when you attempt to correct and educate someone. While telling them they are wrong and you are right.

The fact that I am not an expert in science doesn't mean that I don't know more than a climate denier and that it would be improper for me to correct and educate such a person. Yes, while telling them they are wrong and I am right but not based on my own authority but the actual evidence and the overwhelming consensus of experts.

I used so-called because its a self impose label about how THEY view themselves. And context is important... As it pertains to them, biologically, they are either male or female. I dont care how they view themselves. Not sure why this offends you.


This isnt deflecting young fella. This is correcting. You cannot use a totally different distinction and its research to defend an independent point. We were having a discussion about trans people. You offered research on intersex designation to use to counter my contention. That sir, is WRONG.

The existence of intersex people disproves your statement that "Biologically, you are either male or female." This poll should be 100-0% saying that statement was false.

And some intersex people become transgender. Some people have different chromosome balances and structural reasons that contribute to a state of being that is contradicted by what society would impose upon them. A true understanding of biology would contribute to a respect for biological diversity, not an instinctual preservation of what we were taught at age 5.

You should respect how other people view themselves. You don't know their stories and you are in no position to judge them. There should be a level of humility in your approach.

 

[Art Vandelay]

because there is not empirical data to support your statement.

Is the poll question true or false?

 

[BigDaddyBuk]

Is the poll question true or false?

A false dilemma (also called false dichotomy, false binary, black-and-white thinking, bifurcation, denying a conjunct, the either–or fallacy, fallacy of exhaustive hypotheses, the fallacy of false choice, or the fallacy of the false alternative) is a type of informal fallacy that involves a situation in which only limited alternatives are considered, when in fact there is at least one additional option. The opposite of this fallacy is argument to moderation.

your question cannot be HONESTLY or ACCURATELY answered because it requires evidence that is not presented in your supposition.

you need to get the fuck out of here with this bullshit.

 

[kefta]

Racism/white supremacy gender confusion.

 

[Mello Mello]

It means there is no rule. This population of people is bigger than the number of people with cystic fibrosis, for instance.

Also, I don't think changing the language is about legitimizing behavior. It is about describing people in a fair and respectful way, just as with the change in language from colored and Negro to African-American and black.

Lastly, I wasn't conflating "a biological deformity at birth with being transexual." But that is one of many factors which could cause somebody to identify with a gender which differs from the one which they were assigned at birth. And people need to be more aware of things like that.

There is a rule. You are either Male or Female or you identify as male or female. There is no third gender.

Intersexed people will either identify as male or female than transgender or transsexual.

Despite the abnormality they were born with they chose to identify with a gender.

Transexuals and transgenders who identify as such are called as such. They call themselves that because they have identity issues otherwise they'd call themselves male or female. Being transexual didn't cause anything that's what they chose.

You don't call a hermaphrodite/intersexed person a transexual or transgender.

Like I said you conflating the two. There are similarities but they are not the same.

Your trying to group them all into some new gender class as being the same thing and they are not.

 

[CarpeDiem]

 

[gene cisco]

There is a rule. You are either Male or Female or you identify as male or female. There is no third gender.

Intersexed people will either identify as male or female than transgender or transsexual.

Despite the abnormality they were born with they chose to identify with a gender.

Transexuals and transgenders who identify as such are called as such. They call themselves that because they have identity issues otherwise they'd call themselves male or female. Being transexual didn't cause anything that's what they chose.

You don't call a hermaphrodite/intersexed person a transexual or transgender.

Like I said you conflating the two. There are similarities but they are not the same.

Your trying to group them all into some new gender class as being the same thing and they are not.

According to some on the far left, there are dozens of genders. People pushing a far left agenda like the OP can be just as bad as those pushing far right shit. The far left wants us to bend over backwards for less than .5 percent of the general population. What's next? No it's a boy or girl shit at hospitals because the transgender community claims it forces a baby into a sexual identity. "How do they know what the child will identify as? They are hurting the children!!" Far left people are running around like "Check your sexual privilege you heterosexual scum!" and "This woman was trans-shamed by this guy when she tried to hit on him!! Shame him back on social media!" Wouldn't matter if the 'woman' looked like Brock Lesnar in a wig. The guy having a problem with its advances would be wrong in today's climate and catch hell if it were recorded.

Wouldn't be surprised if some person reported this board for being transphobic because of the posting rules. Swear the world is becoming like a South Park episode.

Can we have a fucking balance between the far right who wants to ban gays from being married and the far left who wants to turn pull every damn ugly thing out of the closet and force it on the masses?

 

[three-fifths]

i read somewhere that all human embryos are initially female; then subsequently becoming a distinct sex.

if so, it strengthens my contention that the woman IS the SUPREME BEING.

 

[Amajorfucup]

The fact that I am not an expert in science doesn't mean that I don't know more than a climate denier and that it would be improper for me to correct and educate such a person..

It does if you use an article on lawn fertilizer as your supporting documents. It shows that you shouldnt be correcting anyone on shit because you lack adequate understanding your dam self.

Yes, while telling them they are wrong and I am right but not based on my own authority but the actual evidence and the overwhelming consensus of experts.

This only works if you're right in your assertion and your supporting document illustrates that. Here, that was not the case. In fact, the opposite happened. Yet you continue to double down on stupid instead of simply saying "my bad". That not only makes you wrong, it makes you willful ignorant as well.

The existence of intersex people disproves your statement that "Biologically, you are either male or female." This poll should be 100-0% saying that statement was false.

My statement, contextually, was about trans people, and was framed as such. Intersex is a more nuanced matter, but ultimately, they too are currently either male or female.

And some intersex people become transgender.

This is where you again put your ignorance and idiocy on full display... Look man, you used the wrong fucking source material and research to support your claim and argue a point. You were wrong nigga, Period! And in continuing to throw all these descriptors (and people) in one bucket, you are ironically doing more to be dismissive of the trannies you so apparently love than you are advocating for them.

Here fool:

Tranny= self identifying label

Intersex= medically diagnosed abnormality

They are NOT the same...

You were wrong Constanza. Period. Theres no shame in that.. but for you to continue to argue as such and now try to merge the two for purposes of cleaning up your mess is some shameful shit.

Do better bro.

 

[knightmelodic]

We're talking about people-- That's all that matters here. We have to acknowledge that life is not just black and white, male and female and as clear cut in every instance as some people may wish.

Yes, I am aware of that. What I'm trying to illustrate is that my people get pushed back in line again. It's always some splinter group or other that garners attention and action while their still murdering our children in the streets. While a white ex-con still has a better chance of getting a job than I do. I could go on but you get the picture. I understand that as long as any person is marginalized, we are all eligible for that fate. But I've been marginalized for 3,000 years. When the fuck is somebody going to but this much effort into dismantling the white racist system that hurts far, far more people than some gender issues?

 

[Mello Mello]

According to some on the far left, there are dozens of genders. People pushing a far left agenda like the OP can be just as bad as those pushing far right shit. The far left wants us to bend over backwards for less than .5 percent of the general population. What's next? No it's a boy or girl shit at hospitals because the transgender community claims it forces a baby into a sexual identity. "How do they know what the child will identify as? They are hurting the children!!" Far left people are running around like "Check your sexual privilege you heterosexual scum!" and "This woman was trans-shamed by this guy when she tried to hit on him!! Shame him back on social media!" Wouldn't matter if the 'woman' looked like Brock Lesnar in a wig. The guy having a problem with its advances would be wrong in today's climate and catch hell if it were recorded.

Wouldn't be surprised if some person reported this board for being transphobic because of the posting rules. Swear the world is becoming like a South Park episode.

Can we have a fucking balance between the far right who wants to ban gays from being married and the far left who wants to turn pull every damn ugly thing out of the closet and force it on the masses?

I'm sick of it all.

You know that's the society they are creating right now.

Everyone is playing this victim card now.
Everyone sees the power in it.
So every subaltern group is seeking a voice now.

Gay people are trying to impose their lifestyle choices and issues onto everyone else.

All these gender classes is bullshit. The unspoken message in promoting all these different genders is, "It doesn't matter who you fuck."

Why because you got these faggots wanting straight men instead of just fucking with other gay people.

So it's to create an acceptance climate where anything goes where to lower heterosexual peoples apprehension to gay lifestyles.

Society ends up looking like one big bi-sexual orgy. Then we'll be just like how the Romans were.

Slippery slope but I think that's what they ultimately prefer.

 

[gene cisco]

I'm sick of it all.

You know that's the society they are creating right now.

Everyone is playing this victim card now.
Everyone sees the power in it.
So every subaltern group is seeking a voice now.

Gay people are trying to impose their lifestyle choices and issues onto everyone else.

All these gender classes is bullshit. The unspoken message in promoting all these different genders is, "It doesn't matter who you fuck."

Why because you got these faggots wanting straight men instead of just fucking with other gay people.

So it's to create an acceptance climate where anything goes where to lower heterosexual peoples apprehension to gay lifestyles.

Society ends up looking like one big bi-sexual orgy. Then we'll be just like how the Romans were.

Slippery slope but I think that's what they ultimately prefer.

It's definitely a slippery slope. The crazy ass republicans seen this shit coming. Even a broken clock is right two times a day. I was foolish enough to believe gay marriage would be the end of it. Now, shit is turning into madness.

 

[dadamaja]

Where the pussy at?

 

[JimJones]

The fact that I am not an expert in science doesn't mean that I don't know more than a climate denier and that it would be improper for me to correct and educate such a person. Yes, while telling them they are wrong and I am right but not based on my own authority but the actual evidence and the overwhelming consensus of experts.



The existence of intersex people disproves your statement that "Biologically, you are either male or female." This poll should be 100-0% saying that statement was false.

And some intersex people become transgender. Some people have different chromosome balances and structural reasons that contribute to a state of being that is contradicted by what society would impose upon them. A true understanding of biology would contribute to a respect for biological diversity, not an instinctual preservation of what we were taught at age 5.

You should respect how other people view themselves. You don't know their stories and you are in no position to judge them. There should be a level of humility in your approach.

You are trying to make your argument into one about political correctness without actually saying it. Your argument is not simply about viewing people as they view themselves. I am a supporter of Political Correctness, but you want us to ignore the fact that the biology and physiology of a man and woman is clear even if they are brain dead, we can say this is a man and this is a woman biologically and physiologically. Your whole argument is the functional equivalent of "Are you going to believe me or your lying eyes"! I am going to believe my lying eyes.

 

[largebillsonlyplease]

Yes you're either male or female otherwise you wouldnt have the need to declare what you identify as which is clearly what you aren't lol

I don't have to identify as a man because I am one and was born as one.

Biologically speaking

Now if you don't feel like what you were born as then you tell ppl hey I know I look like a woman I have tits ass a vagina and I get my period but I feel like I'm a guy named jose

And we say ok jose do you

 

[ballscout1]

So now they justifying it with studies....Everybody got some fag in them.....you you you fukkn transgenders you

 

[Dannyblueyes]

IMO your sex is what you're born with and your gender is what you identify with. They're two separate issues and need to be treated as such.

 

[Mello Mello]

@ the tags.