Man I miss these long ass Wire threads
Apparently that's the only thing I agree with your ass about in this thread
(the Wire)who Was The Man Avon,stringer Or Marlo
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Man I miss these long ass Wire threads
Apparently that's the only thing I agree with your ass about in this thread
Not dead should be a prerequisite...so scratch snitch ass Stringer Bell and too smart for his own good Prop Joe off the damn list...
This is what I'm talking about. Marlo is the modern gangsta because people today don't pay attention to detail. Marlo killed more people with less discretion, and ninjas today think that equates to smart.
Nah, what you gotta understand, Marlo is a gangsta like Bush is a president... All aggression, not enough thought. He got off, but the nature of that show is that life goes on... Marlo couldn't leave that life alone. He will get got, won't make it to within five, even ten years of Avon's life span.
Thank you.
Stringer Bell is too fucking over praised.
I like him and Joe, but they both arranged their own deaths...
The Wire writers like to make parallels between the streets and bigger political issues (S.3 compared the War on Drugs to the War in Iraq)--I wouldnt be surprised if they were comparing Marlo to Dubya at all...smart catch!
Exactly. It should be in this order.
1. Alive or dead?
2. Free or not?
3. Rich or not?
4. Most power achieved
5. Gulliness in the streets
6. Business acumen
7. Extra shit (like connections and shit)
With 1 weighing the most (like 40%) and 2 and 3 like 10% each.
That would make VONDAS number 1. Hahaha, but out of the three Avon barely beats Marlo only because he's in jail (but he'll be out in 2009-2010).
Marlo was a joke and that faggot ass punch he threw in the last episode proved it
Avon and Stringer was a more realistic
Marlo's whole crew was corny.....his #2 (chris) was a hitman.....unrealistic
Avon and Stringer was a more realistic
Marlo's whole crew was corny.....his #2 (chris) was a hitman.....unrealistic
How so?
cosign cranrab on avon
when all was said and done marlo had to go back and ask avon for favors
marlo was a better wartime tactician but only because Avon and Stringer got soft off of living too well- most of that was due to stringer trying to go legit
when all was said and done marlo had to go back and ask avon for favors
marlo was a better wartime tactician but only because Avon and Stringer got soft off of living too well- most of that was due to stringer trying to go legit
#2 people in crime mobs relay orders.......not carry them out.
I disagree with that last part. Marlo ain't had no tactics. All they did was strap up and roll. Once Marlo said no, all the did was send Snoop by on a bike to hit Barksdale, everything else that happened to them was not done by Marlo. Avon had a bitch distract Marlo, Avon had that plan wit Cutty/Slim that woulda worked, Avon sent Slim/Cutty to go murk Fruit (woulda worked too). Stringer was the nigga that put them in the hole, Avon took charge and got them out of there.
Mike was the man and if the show had kept goin, he would have ran the whole city. His chacter was like all the other three rolled up in one. He was loyal to his crew like Avon, He had the smarts of Stringer, and he was not a punk like Marlo. Chris was the man in Marlo's crew.
Man, Marlo was completely out of the picture for 2, 3 episodes while Omar was looking for him. Don't you remember all that "where's Marlo?" shit?
Omar gone, oh damn, Marlo back, ain't that a bitch? Now he's on this "THAT'S MY NAME!" shit. Oh, I'm sure he was mad, got bitched in the streets by a known homosexual, but he sure was hard to find when Omar was at that ass. Leavin' that shit to Chris and Snoop.
Cranrab -
I don't disagree that Stringer was foolish, but foolish is about taking smart chances vs. dumb chances. That's complex, because his end goal was to get past this gangsta shit, and take smarter chances out there in the world. He knew, like all of 'em, working in that business, anybody can take a bullet. He was taking risks, but hoping these would be his last big risks. BTW, Avon snitched String out too, just not to cops.
You all are seriously missing Stringer Bell's role. Avon probably does not make it big without Stringer Bell as his right hand man. Avon is smart, cunning you might say, but not like Stringer. Avon grew that empire WITH Stringer Bell, not by his damn self. Without String, he might be just another gangsta. He didn't hire String a few weeks before the show started, String was there from the beginning.
Break this down for y'all uneducated ninjas....
Avon was the boss, but String was the brains. String, like any other ambitious right hand man, thought he could do it on his own, but lost that power struggle. He was smart, but his problem, he didn't realize how smart Avon was, and thought because he couldn't take out D'Angelo, he couldn't take him down either. Wrong. D'Angelo was family, another reason to take String down.
I liked String, because he was best represented the philosophical nature vs. nurture argument. He's born somewhere else, white, he's a CEO by the time he's 30. Born in the streets of Baltimore, now he's a hardcore gangsta, he just doesn't take pride in it.
Prop Joe was about opportunity, he would've been a politician. Avon woulda probably been an executive or high-ranking military. Marlo would've been less than any of those guys... at best an engineer or stock broker.
And by the way, I am changing my vote for the Man... from Omar to Clay Davis.
Clay the one who really "got" Stringer Bell. And they had Clay Davis dead to rights, and STILL couldn't take that man down. Shyeeeeeeeeeeit. Clay Davis ain't going down for nobody.
bruh you just agreed with me- stringer was the one who put them in the hole
but avon wouldnt have let that happen if he hadnt gotten soft
he was slippin
he sent the chick to marlo and what happened? she got merked
they waited to shoot marlo and went on a fuckin burger run? slippin again
if cutty woulda been his old self it woulda been over i agree but that shit means nothing - avon is the general and needed to find the right personnel - he lost too many vets in the earlier struggles - like webey
marlo's tactics won out which makes them better
Of course he wasn't in the streets. HE'S THE BOSS. Shit Avon spent his time in the funeral home. He didn't know Omar was calling him out or he woulda been out there plain and simple. And in a one on one fair gunfight, Omar woulda been dead.
Cosign.
Some folks act like Marlo took out Barksdale, but they were about to fall with or without Marlo in the picture.
Avon was about to have Marlo roasted.
Marlo didn't have the muscle in season 3 that he had in season 4 and 5.
Avon on a way took himself out, and Marlo filled his shoes.
It's like Jay stepping up after Biggie died...
That's because Chris kept shit form Marlo.
Omar was in the streets calling out Marlo.
Chris knew this, so he kept that information from Marlo because he knew Marlo would go after Omar.
That's why Marlo was pissed in the jail scene.
Why is it that people think that Marlo is pussy?
actually let me correct my shit - because Marlo didnt take avon out- Mcnulty and friends did
Marlo was lucky
I agree that Marlo is better than Stringer, but not Avon. Avon was in jail when stringer started digging the hole. Marlo ain't really had no tactics. That was Chris who was the one who decided to pre-scout, remember? "What you think of that Chris?"
scroll up bruh - my bad- I forgot part of the story -marlo was lucky and stringer was slackin and avon was out of commission too long right before everything came to a head
I disagree with this statement because your are assuming that he was smarter than Avon because he went to college,sat in on different meetings and tried to dabble in the realastate game.That alone just shows the intellectual side of him and his thirst for legit business's,nothing more than that.
Im going to jump out there and say that Avon was just as smart or slick as Stringer,Avon just wasn't ready to make that just to doing things outside of the drug business or basically at the same pace as Stringer was ready to move.But what made me kinda of discard Stringer is when he started fucking up and Avon had him killed,as if Avon was on to him and his moves the whole time he was behind bars.That right there,says more about Avon than it does Stringer.
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...nigga Stringer sat in on a few community college classes and niggas wanna paint him into some kinda mastermind...you know how these women like them an educated thug...most of these niggas is on that bitch shit...that nigga was a half-hearted soldier with a little more book sense than the average street cats who basically had NONE...that shit was impressive to little niggas like Poot and Bodie who ain't never open a book...but Avon and Clay Davis saw through that nigga...not too smart when niggas can read you like that...and the nigga was a snitch in the truest sense of the muthafukkin word...and now "he" is dead...how cats is calling him the man is fukkin crazy...
Your a mindreader today
That "educated thug" shit is on point because most of Stringer's fans are black women who look at "his swag" and don't see him for the dumbass he really is.
I get pissed everytime I hear a mufucka say "Avon was the muscle, Stringer was the brains"
No nigga.
Avon was the fucking operation.
Stringer was backup.
And we saw what happened when he got put in charge.
Everything turned to shit.
Then he went and got his own dumbass killed
Nigga don't even belong in the thread title...
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Basically...I could even tolerate an argument for Prop Joe since he @ least ran his own shit...
russell bell deserves credit for 3 things: being ambitious, having aspirations, and making goals to achieve his plans.
but his negatives far outweigh his positives: trying to get ahead on another man's dime (because he couldn't make it happen for himself), placing his personal goals ahead those of the team (favoring prop joe over avon), wasting resources by having his own organization work against itself (brother mouzone conflict, omar, green lighting d'angelo).
BTW, i don't consider what avon did snitching. by that time, avon was simply taking care of business. and he was correct in doing so.
i disagree completely. with all that happened over 5 seasons, it's easy to forget what the BARKSDALEs (avon and his pops before him) put in motion. it wasn't the BELL family out there putting in work.
recall that avon had orlando's and the funeral parlor to launder proceeds.
further recall that it was stringer's BULLSHIT "B&B" money pit that LOST a whole lot of money for the crew.
you could dress russell bell up, and give him all the itinerant trappings of success, but in the end, it was just make believe. russell bell was a fraud ON BOTH SIDES OF THE FENCE, and that is why he ended up getting got and then dead.
one of the most amusing scenes (and there are MANY) in the wire is when stringer imposed the "board meeting" rules in the funeral parlor. "the floor recognizes ________"
but in fact, those were some foreshadowing scenes, because you saw how stringer's "business model" could not be applied to THE GAME.
you're a little heavy-handed, but i agree with you for the most part. it seems as though some viewers are falling for the "flash" of stringer and not acknowledging or appreciating what avon brought to the table. as i stated before, stringer had some noteworthy aspirations, but didn't have the smarts or fortitude to make them come about.
it's a MILLION cats with big dreams who will swear to you up and down (and believe it) what they could do if only given the chance, but 99.9% don't have what it takes to pull it off.
in the end, he was a nervous, panicky bitch who put himself and his organization in a bad positiion.
i agree with most of this.
but i don't feel that stringer was backup. i think he was just avon's boy, right place, right time. he rolled with avon to the top.
stringer is to avon what duquan is to michael.
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