The War at Morehouse

They are notoriously underfunded and dont have nearly the alumni financial support they should. Money trumps all.

I WHOLE HEARTEDLY DISAGREE WITH THE STATEMENT THAT MONEY TRUMPS ALL. No disrespect brother, but maybe I'm not reading this the way you intended it to be read or taken. If so, please forgive what I am about to say. I grew up in the south, my grandparents lived very close to Tuskeegee and told me with first hand experience about the tuskeegee experiment as granddad (a sharecropper) was supposed to be in it but luckily or unluckily, my grandmother got seriously ill and he chose to stay with her instead of going to get himself enrolled into "free health care". I sat at my elders knees and heard all the stories of Montgomery, Selma, and Birmingham. My grandfather only finished 6th grade and was able to barely read and write, but he worked his fingers to the bone...literally to provide for his children and made damn sure they got morals, a work ethic, and wisdom from real life experience.

I said all that to let you know where I'm coming from in that there is a sense of pride, and a knowing or rather owing to the ancestors that came before us. they are the real deal mofos that paved the way through blood, sweat, tears, prayers, dogs, beatings, hoses, jail cells, lynchings, murders, voting, marching, homegrown terrorists, and shit that will never be televised. The elders and ancestors paved the way for someone to start small, underfunded, damn near starving in falling down buildings colleges and institutions for higher learning BUT THOSE institutions gave and fostered graduates who got more GRIT DETERMINATION, and GUTS to get out there and compete in a hostile world and still make great strides in all facets of life. they literally became some living legends...AND HERE MOFOS UP IN HERE placing these PWIs on a pedestal bc they don't know what really goes on behind those spoon fed, trust funded, coddled walls.....I graduate from a HBCU and went on to have experiences literally all over the world. but straight out the gate, I face a challenge during a program in Rhode Island...here I am, the little young black man from the backwards south from a "let you tell it no-name HBCU" in the middle having debates with graduates from MIT, Harvard, Brown, Notre Dame, the Naval Academy, and etc... I aint going to lie, I was intimidated like hell going in bc these were all graduates from some of the "ivy leagues' best schools". Who was I to them? My parents were NOT ivy league educated authors, nor famous congress men/women. My people were just good folks who worked hard and literally did the best they could. I flailed during the first opening salvos of the competition. went back to my room with my tail tucked keenly between my legs. I called one of my old professors (Dr M Brown-will never forget this lady...although she was a mount Holyoke grad and double doctorate from a PWI). She said something to me that I will never forget. SHE REMINDED OF WHO I WAS, WHERE I CAME FROM, AND WHAT I HAD BEEN THROUGH TO GET WHERE I AM. she reminded me that NO I wasn't a trust fund baby, I wasn't a congressman's son, nor graduate of easy street...I was the grandson of a sharecropper, the son of 2 blue collar workers, I AM the descendent of ancestors who bathed in their own blood and endured worse to produce little country ass me. Who was I to DISHONOR their blood , their sacrifice, their hardships, their heartache, and give in to fear of these so-called goliaths of education.
Brothers on BGOL, let me tell you. She lit a fire under me that still burns to this day.....
I may have done poorly the first day, went to my room with my tail between my legs, BUT AFTER THAT CONVERSATION..............what emerged from the room the next morning was an inhuman juggernaut breathing fire, welding brimstone in one hand and lightning in the other. I couldn't wait to let loose the thoughts in my head. I went in breathing fire and threw retorts and responses at people like a giant mace looking for its next victim to crush. The look on my face must have the other people shook.....and by the end of the day, it wasn't the people from the ivy league schools that folks were scared to draw, it was the guy from the "under funded, half starved, falling down buildings, piece of crap black college".

At HBCUs, you are not going to get things given to you. you will have to earn them. that extra shit and hardship you go through builds character and determination. The lifelong friends you make from being "in the trenches" at the HBCUs. the PREPARATION FOR REAL LIFE, the acquisition of knowledge of self...who you are and what you are capable of....no amount of money can buy that.

The wolf on top of the hill isn't as hungry as the wolf coming up the hill. As an HBCU graduate, you will always be the wolf coming up the hill. the underdog, the discounted, the quota/minority representative, the long shot with something to prove, determination in your heart, and grit enough to persevere in conditions that would make your PWI counter parts run bc they never will have faced the kind of opposition, challenges, and obstacles that you have.
I know from all the cyphers we had on the yard, in closed rooms, and debates on every subject known to man...at a HBCU, someone will challenge you, someone will call you on your bullshit and sooner or later you will have to put up or shut up. You don't get that knowledge of self, helter skelter firing squad test of grit/toughness, kind of immersion at PWIs.
when you leave an HBCU, you will be a stronger more whole person for it....no matter what name your diploma has on it, every HBCU grad knows that feeling of graduating and being ready to jump feet first in the real world...not that rose colored bullshit they sell you at PWIs if they see you at all. you are not just a number at HBCUs, you are a member of the alumni family and ever better, an alumni family of all the HBCU families.
This is not to say that PWIs don't have their benefit. go if its what is best for you but don't lose yourself, or your soul in the process of trying to make money. money is great, but knowing that you have been tried, tested, and approved by your peers, your professors, and your circumstances at HBCUs is a feeling of confidence that can take you as far as your dreams go.
PWIs IMHO are useful as finishing schools like putting a coat of polish on black leather that is already tough, with or without it.
 
Again, the money exists. Black spending power is a known quantity. The question then becomes why those with the money aren't giving to the institutions we're talking about.
Whether money "exists" or not isnt the fucking issue. Now you just pulling shit out your ass. Your original point was that the schools have the money but allocation of funds is the bigger issue. You were wrong. Now you're moonwalking talking about black spending power and transposing that to this discussion. Its hard to have a serious discussion with you brothers when you resort to bullshit tactics like this.
No, sir. Money is just a tool. Purpose and the will to see it done trumps all.
Man take this shit and put it in a fortune cookie. It has no place in this conversation.
 
I know someone who turned down Princeton and Yale to go to Spelman...said it was the best experience of her life.
 
I WHOLE HEARTEDLY DISAGREE WITH THE STATEMENT THAT MONEY TRUMPS ALL. No disrespect brother, but maybe I'm not reading this the way you intended it to be read or taken. If so, please forgive what I am about to say...
Yea, you ABSOLUTELY MISINTERPRETED WHAT WAS STATED... And thanks for sharing your experience and much respect for your thoughtfulness. I dont disagree with a word you said... My comment was in the context of funding our universities and colleges, and specifically applied to the discussion/article at hand. No institution runs on hope and good will. They require funding. You can have all the pride and sweat equity in the world, if money isnt behind or in front of it, then doors WILL close. And the OP article hammers this point home.
 
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Whether money "exists" or not isnt the fucking issue. Now you just pulling shit out your ass. Your original point was that the schools have the money but allocation of funds is the bigger issue. You were wrong. Now you're moonwalking talking about black spending power and transposing that to this discussion. Its hard to have a serious discussion with you brothers when you resort to bullshit tactics like this.

Man take this shit and put it in a fortune cookie. It has no place in this conversation.

You seem upset. Why would that be?

A conversation isn't magically invalid just because it doesn't go in your desired direction.
 
Upset? Not remotely.. But you seem confused... and uninformed.

This aint magic my man.. Its ignorance. On your part.

Be blessed.


No, no. Don't run away now. Feel free to prove this "ignorance" in any way you can when convenient.

Peace and blessings.
 
No, no. Don't run away now. Feel free to prove this "ignorance" in any way you can when convenient.

Peace and blessings.
Run away? I stand by everything ive said thus far.. You do realize the OP article supports and illustrates my assertions in full, do you not? Geesus you niggas are just...:smh:

Be blessed bro.
 
Here are some important metrics for black people to consider when making informed college decisions for our seeds.
  • What's the overall African American graduation rate
  • What the African American graduation rate by gender
  • What's the net price of the degree
  • What's the average student debt load following graduation
  • Who are the notable alumni in your child's major
 
Run away? I stand by everything ive said thus far.. You do realize the OP article supports and illustrates my assertions in full, do you not? Geesus you niggas are just...:smh:

Be blessed bro.


The article is infallible? It's not possible for the assertions therein to be incomplete, biased nor simply wrong?
 
Here are some important metrics for black people to consider when making informed college decisions for our seeds.
  • What's the overall African American graduation rate
  • What the African American graduation rate by gender
  • What's the net price of the degree
  • What's the average student debt load following graduation
  • Who are the notable alumni in your child's major

Graduation rate is good but I would also add attrition rates of students and length of time it takes students to graduate.
 
Here are some important metrics for black people to consider when making informed college decisions for our seeds.
  • What's the overall African American graduation rate
  • What the African American graduation rate by gender
  • What's the net price of the degree
  • What's the average student debt load following graduation
  • Who are the notable alumni in your child's major
I'm big on the alumni thing. If I google your school and you been around for 100 years and your most notable alumni is a high school principal that's a red flag.
 
Graduation rate is good but I would also add attrition rates of students and length of time it takes students to graduate.

And those are some of my biggest issues. As I said on the other page, outside of the top 10 or so, these stats are generally terrible. I remember a couple of years ago Texas southern had nearly a single digit 6 year graduation rate. There's just no ignoring that.
 
lol

Do tell.


Where would you like to begin? Morehouse's endowment is 25 million dollars. Georgetown University has an endowment of 2.8 billion. Harvard has an endowment of 37.8 billion dollars with 13 thousand funds feeding it. The Jesuite Priests who started Georgetown University sold 272 slaves in the early 1800's in order to keep the school going, and as I said their endowment is 100 times Morehouse's. Harvard's endowment is 1000 times Morehouse's. These schools have serious money issues... and the decisions they make are directly a result.
 
Where would you like to begin? Morehouse's endowment is 25 million dollars. Georgetown University has an endowment of 2.8 billion. Harvard has an endowment of 37.8 billion dollars with 13 thousand funds feeding it. The Jesuite Priests who started Georgetown University sold 272 slaves in the early 1800's in order to keep the school going, and as I said their endowment is 100 times Morehouse's. Harvard's endowment is 1000 times Morehouse's. These schools have serious money issues... and the decisions they make are directly a result.
I really like where this thread is going. Some food for thought.

http://getschooled.blog.myajc.com/2...-graduate-consider-fate-and-funding-of-hbcus/
 
I WHOLE HEARTEDLY DISAGREE WITH THE STATEMENT THAT MONEY TRUMPS ALL. No disrespect brother, but maybe I'm not reading this the way you intended it to be read or taken. If so, please forgive what I am about to say. I grew up in the south, my grandparents lived very close to Tuskeegee and told me with first hand experience about the tuskeegee experiment as granddad (a sharecropper) was supposed to be in it but luckily or unluckily, my grandmother got seriously ill and he chose to stay with her instead of going to get himself enrolled into "free health care". I sat at my elders knees and heard all the stories of Montgomery, Selma, and Birmingham. My grandfather only finished 6th grade and was able to barely read and write, but he worked his fingers to the bone...literally to provide for his children and made damn sure they got morals, a work ethic, and wisdom from real life experience.

I said all that to let you know where I'm coming from in that there is a sense of pride, and a knowing or rather owing to the ancestors that came before us. they are the real deal mofos that paved the way through blood, sweat, tears, prayers, dogs, beatings, hoses, jail cells, lynchings, murders, voting, marching, homegrown terrorists, and shit that will never be televised. The elders and ancestors paved the way for someone to start small, underfunded, damn near starving in falling down buildings colleges and institutions for higher learning BUT THOSE institutions gave and fostered graduates who got more GRIT DETERMINATION, and GUTS to get out there and compete in a hostile world and still make great strides in all facets of life. they literally became some living legends...AND HERE MOFOS UP IN HERE placing these PWIs on a pedestal bc they don't know what really goes on behind those spoon fed, trust funded, coddled walls.....I graduate from a HBCU and went on to have experiences literally all over the world. but straight out the gate, I face a challenge during a program in Rhode Island...here I am, the little young black man from the backwards south from a "let you tell it no-name HBCU" in the middle having debates with graduates from MIT, Harvard, Brown, Notre Dame, the Naval Academy, and etc... I aint going to lie, I was intimidated like hell going in bc these were all graduates from some of the "ivy leagues' best schools". Who was I to them? My parents were NOT ivy league educated authors, nor famous congress men/women. My people were just good folks who worked hard and literally did the best they could. I flailed during the first opening salvos of the competition. went back to my room with my tail tucked keenly between my legs. I called one of my old professors (Dr M Brown-will never forget this lady...although she was a mount Holyoke grad and double doctorate from a PWI). She said something to me that I will never forget. SHE REMINDED OF WHO I WAS, WHERE I CAME FROM, AND WHAT I HAD BEEN THROUGH TO GET WHERE I AM. she reminded me that NO I wasn't a trust fund baby, I wasn't a congressman's son, nor graduate of easy street...I was the grandson of a sharecropper, the son of 2 blue collar workers, I AM the descendent of ancestors who bathed in their own blood and endured worse to produce little country ass me. Who was I to DISHONOR their blood , their sacrifice, their hardships, their heartache, and give in to fear of these so-called goliaths of education.
Brothers on BGOL, let me tell you. She lit a fire under me that still burns to this day.....
I may have done poorly the first day, went to my room with my tail between my legs, BUT AFTER THAT CONVERSATION..............what emerged from the room the next morning was an inhuman juggernaut breathing fire, welding brimstone in one hand and lightning in the other. I couldn't wait to let loose the thoughts in my head. I went in breathing fire and threw retorts and responses at people like a giant mace looking for its next victim to crush. The look on my face must have the other people shook.....and by the end of the day, it wasn't the people from the ivy league schools that folks were scared to draw, it was the guy from the "under funded, half starved, falling down buildings, piece of crap black college".

At HBCUs, you are not going to get things given to you. you will have to earn them. that extra shit and hardship you go through builds character and determination. The lifelong friends you make from being "in the trenches" at the HBCUs. the PREPARATION FOR REAL LIFE, the acquisition of knowledge of self...who you are and what you are capable of....no amount of money can buy that.

The wolf on top of the hill isn't as hungry as the wolf coming up the hill. As an HBCU graduate, you will always be the wolf coming up the hill. the underdog, the discounted, the quota/minority representative, the long shot with something to prove, determination in your heart, and grit enough to persevere in conditions that would make your PWI counter parts run bc they never will have faced the kind of opposition, challenges, and obstacles that you have.
I know from all the cyphers we had on the yard, in closed rooms, and debates on every subject known to man...at a HBCU, someone will challenge you, someone will call you on your bullshit and sooner or later you will have to put up or shut up. You don't get that knowledge of self, helter skelter firing squad test of grit/toughness, kind of immersion at PWIs.
when you leave an HBCU, you will be a stronger more whole person for it....no matter what name your diploma has on it, every HBCU grad knows that feeling of graduating and being ready to jump feet first in the real world...not that rose colored bullshit they sell you at PWIs if they see you at all. you are not just a number at HBCUs, you are a member of the alumni family and ever better, an alumni family of all the HBCU families.
This is not to say that PWIs don't have their benefit. go if its what is best for you but don't lose yourself, or your soul in the process of trying to make money. money is great, but knowing that you have been tried, tested, and approved by your peers, your professors, and your circumstances at HBCUs is a feeling of confidence that can take you as far as your dreams go.
PWIs IMHO are useful as finishing schools like putting a coat of polish on black leather that is already tough, with or without it.

Wonderful post bruh. Thanks

Yea, you ABSOLUTELY MISINTERPRETED WHAT WAS STATED... And thanks for sharing your experience and much respect for your thoughtfulness. I dont disagree with a word you said... My comment was in the context to funding our universities and colleges, and specifically applied to the discussion/article at hand. No institution runs on hope and good will. They require funding. You can have all the pride and sweat equity in the world, if money isnt behind or in front of it, then doors WILL close. And the OP article hammers this point home.

I appreciate the discussion brethren :cool:
 
Where would you like to begin? Morehouse's endowment is 25 million dollars. Georgetown University has an endowment of 2.8 billion. Harvard has an endowment of 37.8 billion dollars with 13 thousand funds feeding it. The Jesuite Priests who started Georgetown University sold 272 slaves in the early 1800's in order to keep the school going, and as I said their endowment is 100 times Morehouse's. Harvard's endowment is 1000 times Morehouse's. These schools have serious money issues... and the decisions they make are directly a result.

That is backwards. The problems exist as a result of the decisions. Those making such decisions thought they could get out of the problems by doubling down on the bad decisions they made in the first place. Quelle surprise, that doesn't work.

The reason why those schools you mentioned have the endowments they do is that (aside from being seeded with blood money) their alum donate because they believe it benefits them. To use one of your examples, Harvard has double indemnity from too much fuckery via their Board of Overseers backstopping everything the Fellows decide and vice-versa(they've had their share of bad moves but never enough to jeopardize the whole setup). Both parties keep each other on their toes, everybody moves forward on the same page, nobody rocks the boat, nobody messes with the product that keeps everyone fed. The people on the boards of such schools maintain a standard that they don't deviate from, because they know that to mess with the product affects everybody down the line. Nobody cares about the glory of any school 40 years ago, they don't care how old the school is or what US president went there; they want to know what the school can do for them today. It's that simple. You don't mess with the product, and belief in the school is part of the product.

HBCUs don't have a similar reputation among their alumni, and with good reason. Forty people on a trustee board? FORTY? You think alumni don't see the games being played there? How long does that "MLK went here" image last? How many alum do you know will give their loot for frats to play their board games and paint "tradition" all over it to make the package look shiny? They consistently enroll more students that they have dorm space for, yet on the back end they're using that extra money to try buying up everything in the Northside Dr/Park St/Lowery Blvd/MLK Dr box...and you think nobody notices(they'd have extended that all the way to Joseph E. Boone if they could, but Kasim Reed and the city money cut that short because they have their own plans for westward expansion of downtown and the AU ain't part of them)? People are just supposed to give money anyway and fund those games because...what? "Pride"? Why is anyone surprised that so many people pass through, graduate, and never look back?


Does that entire setup strike anyone as a picture of sustainability?

lol...man listen.
 
My degree from NCCU and The New Schpolicy has helped my excel in my career and to hire and manage quite a few IVYS. At the end of the day IVYS have a strong network but so do HBCUS. All qualifications being equal, I intentionally hire HBCU grads over anyone else, every time. If we don't value and build our network then we can't cry about our schools not being on top.

Eagle Pride!!
 
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My degree from NCCU and The New Schpolicy has helped my excel in my career and to hire and manage quite a few IVYS. At the end of the day IVYS have a strong network but so do HBCUS. All qualifications being equal, I intentionally hire HBCU grads over anyone else, every time. If we don't value and build our network then we can't cry about our schools not being on top.

Eagle Pride!!
 
A lot of intellectual dishonesty in this thread
Niggas typing up paragraphs of bullshit because their feelings are hurt
That's why a lot of HBCUs are low quality institutions these days. Instead of fixing the problems niggas get butthurt and act like nothing is wrong, so they can spare their feelings

All you gotta do is look at a schools endowment and the financial success of their alumni base to see what a school is really worth

I hope Morehouse gets its shit together. I kinda want my son to go there or Howard
 
My degree from NCCU and The New Schpolicy has helped my excel in my career and to hire and manage quite a few IVYS. At the end of the day IVYS have a strong network but so do HBCUS. All qualifications being equal, I intentionally hire HBCU grads over anyone else, every time. If we don't value and build our network then we can't cry about our schools not being on top.

Eagle Pride!!
I bet you used to hang at Brothers 3 ;)
 
My degree from NCCU and The New Schpolicy has helped my excel in my career and to hire and manage quite a few IVYS. At the end of the day IVYS have a strong network but so do HBCUS. All qualifications being equal, I intentionally hire HBCU grads over anyone else, every time. If we don't value and build our network then we can't cry about our schools not being on top.

Eagle Pride!!

I'm a Chidley Hall veteran family. Eagles fly! The relationships I built while in Durham are paying dividends to this day more so than the piece of paper I got. If I went to UNC Charlotte or Chapel Hill wouldnt be the same. All my friends that went that route missed out on that.
 
Question:

Would any of you choose to attend HBCU over Ivy League if you were accepted to both w/ full scholarship? Does it depend on which schools specifically? Depends on major? Or do you not even need that much detail to answer?

Sorry OP, I shoulda made this a separate thread but lazy. Someone feel free to...

Morehouse is now MOIST-house. :smh:

Morehouse used to be be a pretty descent whorehouse. :hmm:
 
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