*****The Offical CAVS vs CELTICS thread*******

[Nobody]

When the Jamison trade was made that was suppose to lock up the championship for the Cavs. He's supposed to be Lebron's #2. He's not showing up in this series but a couple months ago the Cavs had the best team in the league and now the usual excuse comes up that he doesn't have any teammates.

Jamison is a 19ppg guy for his career. I haven't watched many of the games this series but could it be that Jamison isn't being utilized the way he should to be the most effective? He was brought in to take pressure off Lebron. Is he being allowed to do that?

That was all basketball talk by tv pundits who already had the cavs at the top. They're a regular season team. They matchup poorly vs the elite teams. They play with great energy but it's different when an elite team has 7 games to gameplan for a team.

Shaq is old. Mo Williams almost never shows up, delonte west isn't good enough, Jamison hasn't been here before and against taller longer players he has difficulties.

 

[pookie]

Damnn people coming with the same EXCUSES from last year and the Cavs haven't even lost the series yet. Last year BEST RECORD IN THE LEAGUE, Lebron was the MVP, i believe Mo Williams WAS AN ALL-STAR and THEY HAD THE BEST RECORD IN THE LEAGUE with only a few losses at home. Then when they get put out cats talking about HE HAD NO HELP WTF???.

 

[Philli]

That was all basketball talk by tv pundits who already had the cavs at the top. They're a regular season team. They matchup poorly vs the elite teams. They play with great energy but it's different when an elite team has 7 games to gameplan for a team.

Shaq is old. Mo Williams almost never shows up, delonte west isn't good enough, Jamison hasn't been here before and against taller longer players he has difficulties.

Were you saying this from the inception of the playoffs? You didn't have Cleveland winning the title like so many people on here? It's funny how all of this comes out now when the Cavs are down 3-2. Let them win the next 2 games and all of this will go away.

You guys are hilarious when it comes to giving Lebron excuses. You can't win 60 games year after year and your team be considered bums. Come on.

 

[therealjondoe]

Damnn people coming with the same EXCUSES from last year and the Cavs haven't even lost the series yet. Last year BEST RECORD IN THE LEAGUE, Lebron was the MVP, i believe Mo Williams WAS AN ALL-STAR and THEY HAD THE BEST RECORD IN THE LEAGUE with only a few losses at home. Then when they get put out cats talking about HE HAD NO HELP WTF???.

yea i dont understand the whole "he has no help" thing.
they got
shaq
mo williams
jamison
and some good role players.
they werent saying that during the regular season.

and i said it would be lebrons year

 

[Nobody]

Were you saying this from the inception of the playoffs? You didn't have Cleveland winning the title like so many people on here? It's funny how all of this comes out now when the Cavs are down 3-2. Let them win the next 2 games and all of this will go away.

You guys are hilarious when it comes to giving Lebron excuses. You can't win 60 games year after year and your team be considered bums. Come on.

Well. In the beginning of the season I had Orlando smashing Cleveland again. After the Jamison trade I've said it may help lock lebron up in cleveland. I felt if he fit and produced it will help against Orlando. I still wasn't settled on either team however. But I've always felt Cleveland was trash outside of lebron. I am on the record with that comment.

I believe I've said it here, that nj, and ny have better players outside of lebron in comparison to Cleveland.

 

[Spectrum]

When the Jamison trade was made that was suppose to lock up the championship for the Cavs. He's supposed to be Lebron's #2. He's not showing up in this series but a couple months ago the Cavs had the best team in the league and now the usual excuse comes up that he doesn't have any teammates.

Yep. I agree. The talent is there. However, I still dont think they match up on the wings defensively..especially with quick point guards. That is why I could see them beating LA in the Finals..but not even getting past Boston or Orlando because of match up problems.

Jamison is a 19ppg guy for his career. I haven't watched many of the games this series but could it be that Jamison isn't being utilized the way he should to be the most effective? He was brought in to take pressure off Lebron. Is he being allowed to do that?

The questions you posted here are key. Utilization...and this comes down to coaching. The Cavs are the most predictable offensive team by far remaining in these playoffs...and also their coaching staff hasnt done enough to stop being murdered at the point gaurd position.

This is a coaching issue and even though I said I think Cleveland could beat LA because they dont have the same matchup problems with them... I still think LA would win because Phil Jackson would outcoach Brown and make the adjustments.

 

[pookie]

Well. In the beginning of the season I had Orlando smashing Cleveland again. After the Jamison trade I've said it may help lock lebron up in cleveland. I felt if he fit and produced it will help against Orlando. I still wasn't settled on either team however. But I've always felt Cleveland was trash outside of lebron. I am on the record with that comment.

I believe I've said it here, that nj, and ny have better players outside of lebron in comparison to Cleveland.

I say its impossible for the Cavs to do with they've did the last TWO SEASONS with Lebron and a bunch of BUMS. They are a very good TEAM with players that know their roles and play those roles very well. Them losing is the result of getting beat by a better team

 

[massdagod]

Damn, Lebron is playing like a little bitch. This nigga is doing absolutely nothing out there. Looking very average. I don't get why he's playing so conservative? nigga is playing like a hoe out there

 

[massdagod]

Come on dude! This is the so called "Best Player in the league?" GTFOH!!!!!!!!!!!

Kobe, Kobe, Kobe!!!!

 

[massdagod]

Oh shit. Kenny and Charles finally realize LJ is a bitch ass nigga.

 

[massdagod]

lebron is throwing this game away. I think someone paid him off.

 

[Nobody]

I say its impossible for the Cavs to do with they've did the last TWO SEASONS with Lebron and a bunch of BUMS. They are a very good TEAM with players that know their roles and play those roles very well. Them losing is the result of getting beat by a better team

They're a team that dominates because they have good hustler players, good defense, great chemistry and arguably the best player on the NBA.

 

[BenQ]

 

[Spectrum]

And when kobe was passive against the suns back in 06? I don't remember ewwell picking up his bat to go on kobe's side- so why bother judging what people are doing now when it's the same for Kobe?

Personally I don't like it either way, no matter the player. You have clowns saying lebron has lost a step. Really now.

Kobe didnt go passive. He tanked it purposely. I think even his biggest fans would agree there.

Lebron did play tentative last night...but that is one game in a series...not the entire series.

I dont have any problem with hammering Lebron.... I just hate the fact that these were some great threads with great discussion and not all the stans are pissing all over the board.

I was one of the first people that said they would lose to Boston and it would hurt the development of his legacy tremendously.

If the Lakers lose this year (ive always contended when they play thier best ball, they can beat anyone in a 7 game series and should repeat), it wont be any indictment on Kobe

 

[Nobody]

Kobe didnt go passive. He tanked it purposely. I think even his biggest fans would agree there.

Lebron did play tentative last night...but that is one game in a series...not the entire series.

I dont have any problem with hammering Lebron.... I just hate the fact that these were some great threads with great discussion and not all the stans are pissing all over the board.

I was one of the first people that said they would lose to Boston and it would hurt the development of his legacy tremendously.

If the Lakers lose this year (ive always contended when they play thier best ball, they can beat anyone in a 7 game series and should repeat), it wont be any indictment on Kobe

For lebron to shoot 3-14, to me that can be seen as tanking also. I understand why both players will do it though.

Theproblem is there're idiot fans all across the board. Let's not act as ugh when Kobe falters 10-15 threads aren't created about him too- with far less people up in arms over it.


The funniest part to me is the blatant hypocrisy.

Remember what i say - some of kobe's biggest "stans" are his haters - guys like cranrab.

Same with bron.

 

[Spectrum]

For lebron to shoot 3-14, to me that can be seen as tanking also. I understand why both players will do it though.

Lebron has never been a volume shooter. It is not abnormal for him to only take 14 shots. He does that a lot actually and will stack up on rebounds and assists.

Kobe IS a volume shooter. In the reference you gave against the Suns, Kobe decided not to shoot to prove a point. Everyone knows that. That was obvious.

There is difference between having a horrible shooting game and decided that you are not going to shoot the ball.

Theproblem is there're idiot fans all across the board. Let's not act as ugh when Kobe falters 10-15 threads aren't created about him too- with far less people up in arms over it.


The funniest part to me is the blatant hypocrisy.

Remember what i say - some of kobe's biggest "stans" are his haters - guys like cranrab.

Same with bron.

Oh no doubt... if the Lakers lose, there is going to be a ton of threads as well...especially if Kobe has a bad game..

 

[Nobody]

Lebron has never been a volume shooter. It is not abnormal for him to only take 14 shots. He does that a lot actually and will stack up on rebounds and assists.

Kobe IS a volume shooter. In the reference you gave against the Suns, Kobe decided not to shoot to prove a point. Everyone knows that. That was obvious.

There is difference between having a horrible shooting game and decided that you are not going to shoot the ball.




Oh no doubt... if the Lakers lose, there is going to be a ton of threads as well...especially if Kobe has a bad game..

Even if kobe has a great game those threads will be made.

As far as volume shooter. Lebron IS a scorer. Difference between him and kobe is that he's asked to do everything in addition to that. They don't have any offensive game plan outside of let lebron do everything.

Here's an interesting stat. Lebron had 11 games where he shot less than 15 times. Kobe? 9 games.

Lebron - 20 shots a game. Kobe- 21.5

For reference, dwyane Wade shot 19.6. Kevin Durante -20.

Lebron is a scorer whether or not anyone wants to admit it.

What people confuse is this. People say 'lebron is more of a playmaker than a scorer' in comparison to his peers, when the truer statement is 'lebron is more of a playmaker than his peers'.

 

[Spectrum]

Even if kobe has a great game those threads will be made.

As far as volume shooter. Lebron IS a scorer. Difference between him and kobe is that he's asked to do everything in addition to that. They don't have any offensive game plan outside of let lebron do everything.

Here's an interesting stat. Lebron had 11 games where he shot less than 15 times. Kobe? 9 games.

Lebron - 20 shots a game. Kobe- 21.5

For reference, dwyane Wade shot 19.6. Kevin Durante -20.

Lebron is a scorer whether or not anyone wants to admit it.

What people confuse is this. People say 'lebron is more of a playmaker than a scorer' in comparison to his peers, when the truer statement is 'lebron is more of a playmaker than his peers'.

He is definitely a scorer. But he takes less shots than Kobe and he shoots more free throws. He almost won the scoring title so he is definitely a scorer. However, Kobe is a scorer to puts up points because of his volume. He is a career 45 percent shooter. I dont want to compare Kobe to Iverson....but much like Iverson, he scores a lot of points because of his volume. He simply takes a lot of shots.

Being that he is a triple-double threat every night you really cant even compare him to Kobe, Durant, etc. Lebron doesnt need to take a lot of shots to have a dominant performance because he contributes in a multiple of different ways.

The fact that he is settling for jumpshots is very unsettling though.

Im almost tempted to make a thread asking peeps how much do they feel coaching contributes to this.. look at the Coach of the last 10 titles team...shit the last 20....almost all HOF coaches...

Because the cavs have enough talent to be a title team...and this is not even to take Lebron off the hook for a horrible performance, but I think the coaching gets overlooked.

 

[Costanza]

Even if kobe has a great game those threads will be made.

As far as volume shooter. Lebron IS a scorer. Difference between him and kobe is that he's asked to do everything in addition to that. They don't have any offensive game plan outside of let lebron do everything.

Here's an interesting stat. Lebron had 11 games where he shot less than 15 times. Kobe? 9 games.

Lebron - 20 shots a game. Kobe- 21.5

For reference, dwyane Wade shot 19.6. Kevin Durante -20.

Lebron is a scorer whether or not anyone wants to admit it.

What people confuse is this. People say 'lebron is more of a playmaker than a scorer' in comparison to his peers, when the truer statement is 'lebron is more of a playmaker than his peers'.

Very interesting...

 

[Les W]

You are the most non reading nicca


The point is simple: Since the Magic have gotten significantly better, it's unfair to look at last year's series and say now that the addition of KG would make the difference since they were up 3-2 last year. That would make sense if this were nearly the same Magic team...but it's not. The team is different and they're playing significantly better basketball now.

This is turning into a silly argument...believe what you want

So let's not fight amongst ourselves we both want to see Cleveland lose and Boston win...right?

My problem with people who talk about how great Lebron is is they put him head and shoulders above everyone in the league. No other player in the league is in the same stratosphere as him. If he's that great then he shouldn't need the help Kobe, D-Wade or Melo needs to win a championship.

He's a great player but he's a lot closer to the other great players in the league then the media wants you to believe.

Check...

When the Jamison trade was made that was suppose to lock up the championship for the Cavs. He's supposed to be Lebron's #2. He's not showing up in this series but a couple months ago the Cavs had the best team in the league and now the usual excuse comes up that he doesn't have any teammates.

Mate!

If you had a draft of only Cavs/Celtic players...how would it go.

LBJ would be the first pick...

Then,Rondo second,KG third,Pierce next,then Ray Allen....

I don't know if i should

or

At this madness

If the Lakers lose this year (ive always contended when they play thier best ball, they can beat anyone in a 7 game series and should repeat), it wont be any indictment on Kobe

Yes it will...

I think that's the problem with today's fans they are delusional...if kobe is the reason you win he is the reason you lose.

He is the guy in charge on the floor if they lose as DEFENDING champs then it is his fault

Sure if there are major injuries or say Glenn Davis scores 50 points per game...I can let that slide as an act of god...but if he is on the floor he got to take the blame like he takes the praise.

Lebron don't understand this so he'll never win cause in his egotistical mind HE (Lebron) never "loses" he blames everyone around him

THAT'S why he runs off without shaking hands and confiscates video tapes and acts like it's a big joke when he gets blown out cause he doesn't want to face the fact that he FAILED like a man

In his mind he is the greatest and perfect and it's his teammates that suck

so while guys like KG and Kobe and fighting with their heart and reputation on the line... Lebron is chillin

/rant

 

[Spectrum]

Lebron don't understand this so he'll never win cause in his egotistical mind HE (Lebron) never "loses" he blames everyone around him

THAT'S why he runs off without shaking hands and confiscates video tapes and acts like it's a big joke when he gets blown out cause he doesn't want to face the fact that he FAILED like a man

In his mind he is the greatest and perfect and it's his teammates that suck

so while guys like KG and Kobe and fighting with their heart and reputation on the line... Lebron is chillin

/rant

Come on man. After all the shit Kobe pulled in LA before Gasol got there, dont talk about ego. Kobe is not really a good person to use in this situation. Zeke was a winner and he pulled the walkout with 3 more starters on the bulls and that was after they had repeated. This has nothing to do with the issue at hand... kill that no-handshake noise.

Lebron has performed better in the playoffs than in the post-season. Even if those lose, it is no indictment on him because of one game. Now if he came out and only scored 15 points again, that is a different argument.

Lebron has only seen his stats for points, rebounding, and assists RISE during the playoffs. It is VERY hard to blame a player for losses when he is performing well.

The reality of the matter is that like all great players, Jordan included, he is going to need a great number 2 and also a great coach. 24 of the last 25 title teams have coached by a current or future HOF coach.

 

[cranrab]

rule of thumb for those playing dumb and looking to take cheap shots at lebron james.

a stan fulfills all of the below:

1) a stan is someone who makes up fake shit to prop up their player

2) a stan is someone who routinely scape goats every other player and management to deflect blame from their hero

3) a stan is someone who is unprepared to discuss the SPORT because they are so enamored with the object of their affection

case in point from this thread. stans come in and liken a poor overall performance to a string of performances from a player that laid down in games. shooting poorly and refusing to shoot are clearly different, but stans pretend they are the same.

 

[Blaq]

Last season, this wouldn't have surprised me. But after the last postseason and the regular season... This is a huge letdown for Cleveland. They've been exposed-- the team can no longer exist as constituted.

I was never sold on this Cavs team, even with the addition of Jamison. A lot of the people on this board were, although i'm not sure why. I just don't see any players on that team with heart. Everyone is saying that they're a better team than the Celts, but I don't see it, even though the Celts' core starting five are older. Imo, that is a positive in this particular case.

The reason Bron is just a "great player" (based on individual stats thus far)and not an MJ or Kobe is because he is an immature foolishly arrogant attention whoring diva that was crowned "KING" before he even touched an NBA basketball.

Co-sign.

I was asking Road Rage & Cleveland Dawg a month ago what makes Lebron the King? He hasn't accomplished anything noteworthy, yet. It reminds me of that Drake commercial. You'd think dude was Kane or Rakim or something. Youngs kats expect to be given the title of being great without earning it. MJ was my guy on the court, but it took AWHILE before I could say that he'd went beyond Dr. J. He had won MULTIPLE titles before I could bring myself to say it. Now kats just say it after watching the highlight reel on ESPN or because they have a high selling jersey or shoe.

 

[Nobody]

He is definitely a scorer. But he takes less shots than Kobe and he shoots more free throws. He almost won the scoring title so he is definitely a scorer. However, Kobe is a scorer to puts up points because of his volume. He is a career 45 percent shooter. I dont want to compare Kobe to Iverson....but much like Iverson, he scores a lot of points because of his volume. He simply takes a lot of shots.

Being that he is a triple-double threat every night you really cant even compare him to Kobe, Durant, etc. Lebron doesnt need to take a lot of shots to have a dominant performance because he contributes in a multiple of different ways.

The fact that he is settling for jumpshots is very unsettling though.

Im almost tempted to make a thread asking peeps how much do they feel coaching contributes to this.. look at the Coach of the last 10 titles team...shit the last 20....almost all HOF coaches...

Because the cavs have enough talent to be a title team...and this is not even to take Lebron off the hook for a horrible performance, but I think the coaching gets overlooked.

Shooting more free throws means he's also taking more scoring opportunities. Fact is he's a scorer plain and simple. The only difference is he's a better playmaker than kobe, and is asked to make more plays.

 

[Spectrum]

Shooting more free throws means he's also taking more scoring opportunities. Fact is he's a scorer plain and simple. The only difference is he's a better playmaker than kobe, and is asked to make more plays.

Lebron being a scorer was not your premise. Your premise was that Lebron only shooting 14 shots was indicative of him tanking. Considering that Lebron has been dominant in cames with 20 and less shots..even 15 where he has had a triple double, him shooting 14 shots is not indicative of him tanking.

You used Kobe against the Suns. Considering Kobe is PRIMARILY a scorer... him only taking 14 shots has a much more detrimental effect on his team considering he doesnt contribute as much on the boards and he is not the distributor that Lebron is.

Kobe deciding not to shoot against the Suns does not equate to Lebron shooting 15 shots as Lebron can be dominant while also scoring less than 20 points..and has done that several times this season.

The two situations dont equate. Did they both play poorly...yes... but that is where the similarities end.

 

[Ming Fei Hong]

In this case it is not homie. Because I saw pages of people who have not contributed anything to any basketball threads and all of a sudden they are posting in every basketball thread and creating multiple threads because Lebron had one bad game.

That is the very definition of a stan. I wasnt talking about you. You always post in basketball threads. Im talking about lurkers, etc coming out of lurk-mode because Lebron only scored 15 points.

Ok, I see what you're saying... And, I agree, those niggas ARE Stans. The only shit-talkers I even acknowledge are those who talk shit BEFORE the game... Not at half -time, near the end or after. Fuck that fair-weather, bandwagon bullshit. If your team loses, take it like a man and go down with the ship.

 

[Rick Spanish]

 

[Spectrum]

Ok, I see what you're saying... And, I agree, those niggas ARE Stans. The only shit-talkers I even acknowledge are those who talk shit BEFORE the game... Not at half -time, near the end or after. Fuck that fair-weather, bandwagon bullshit. If your team loses, take it like a man and go down with the ship.

Yeah man... same shit if LA loses a game and then mofos want to make 15 threads about the shit... Let them at least lose the series... reminds of of the anti-Floyd cats on the web that were making long blog posts why Manny could beat Floyd because of round two of the Floyd-Shane fight...

Stan is an overused term.. but that applies man.... the lurkers come out after one loss

 

[Spectrum]

 

[sean69]

Lebron don't understand this so he'll never win cause in his egotistical mind HE (Lebron) never "loses" he blames everyone around him

THAT'S why he runs off without shaking hands and confiscates video tapes and acts like it's a big joke when he gets blown out cause he doesn't want to face the fact that he FAILED like a man

In his mind he is the greatest and perfect and it's his teammates that suck

so while guys like KG and Kobe and fighting with their heart and reputation on the line... Lebron is chillin

/rant

And this is my point exactly. It's not so much about ego. Everyone has that and the more it's fed, the more it grows ... exponentially. His ego started getting fed by the UNPRECEDENTED media hype right from high school as a kid. When you have the whole world on your nuts like that it's almost impossible for it not to affect you. Shit even the Dahli Lama's riding his own dick.

Maybe i'm being overly judgmental but his bar was set in the Andromeda Galaxy along with the resultant galactic fame and fortune - both which he has fully embraced. The problem is that basketball is STILL A TEAM GAME ... spending money and showing off ... not so much.

No doubt Le-"Bong" is an exceptionally talented player but when you check all the great legends there was something more there than just talent. I don't have a single word for it and it's probably a confluence mental focus, discipline and respect. Mohammed Ali, MJ, Magic and Bird, Roger Federer, Tiger Woods, Wayne Gretzky etc. These are some of the classic decorated names that pop up.

KG has it. Not as decorated. But he has it. Again, Le-"Boink" has some stuff to learn. He's still young.

The reality of the matter is that like all great players, Jordan included, he is going to need a great number 2 and also a great coach. 24 of the last 25 title teams have coached by a current or future HOF coach.

I get your point here but maybe it's because they've won all those titles with those great # 1 and 2 players that made them HOF coaches? Was Phil Jackson HOF before he had Jordan?
Jerry Sloan is a HOF coach and Stockton and Malone will be HOF players with no rings. I know this is a rare exception and MJ had a lot to do with many great players that decade not having rings today. But your point is that he may need a HOF cach and a great #2 to get him over the hump. You're probably right, but we'll have to see.

Co-sign.

I was asking Road Rage & Cleveland Dawg a month ago what makes Lebron the King? He hasn't accomplished anything noteworthy, yet. It reminds me of that Drake commercial. You'd think dude was Kane or Rakim or something. Youngs kats expect to be given the title of being great without earning it. MJ was my guy on the court, but it took AWHILE before I could say that he'd went beyond Dr. J. He had won MULTIPLE titles before I could bring myself to say it. Now kats just say it after watching the highlight reel on ESPN or because they have a high selling jersey or shoe.

Exactly. We live in an over-hyped hyper-sensationalized society today for obvious info-tech and commercial reasons.

Bill Maher put it best when he said that "we live in a Guitar Hero culture where everyone wants to be a rock star but nobody want to actually learn how to play the instruments."

 

[sean69]

WHERE DO Y'ALL COME UP WITH THIS SHIT?

 

[Spectrum]

I get your point here but maybe it's because they've won all those titles with those great # 1 and 2 players that made them HOF coaches? Was Phil Jackson HOF before he had Jordan?
J.

Let me ask you a question. Im serious as well and this is not a loaded question

Do you think it is a coincidence that Jordan and Pippen didnt win anything until Phil Jackson got there. Also, do you think it is a coincidence that Shaq and Kobe didnt win anything until Jackson get there to coach the team.

Also, do you think that there was a reason that Kobe ran out Jackson...got another coach and literally begged Jackson to come back and now they are competing for titles every year.

Other coaches had these great players and couldnt do anything with them. Something has got to be said for the way that Jackson not only coaches a game and he good x and o support with this staff, but also how he is able to manage huge superstar ego and get them to play within his system and philosophy.

 

[Les W]

And this is my point exactly. It's not so much about ego. Everyone has that and the more it's fed, the more it grows ... exponentially. His ego started getting fed by the UNPRECEDENTED media hype right from high school as a kid. When you have the whole world on your nuts like that it's almost impossible for it not to affect you. Shit even the Dahli Lama's riding his own dick.

Maybe i'm being overly judgmental but his bar was set in the Andromeda Galaxy along with the resultant galactic fame and fortune - both which he has fully embraced. The problem is that basketball is STILL A TEAM GAME ... spending money and showing off ... not so much.

No doubt Le-"Bong" is an exceptionally talented player but when you check all the great legends there was something more there than just talent. I don't have a single word for it and it's probably a confluence mental focus, discipline and respect. Mohammed Ali, MJ, Magic and Bird, Roger Federer, Tiger Woods, Wayne Gretzky etc. These are some of the classic decorated names that pop up.

KG has it. Not as decorated. But he has it. Again, Le-"Boink" has some stuff to learn. He's still young.

I call it HEART

..and when a VERY TALENTED player has LOTS OF HEART he can become the GREATEST even if just for a season or a few huge games IMO

Lebron has no Heart he has IMAGE that is what he is out there trying to protect and build.... his IMAGE again just IMO

And I will say that I am proud of him for the fact he could be under that microscope for so long and even come close to that: "bar was set in the Andromeda Galaxy along with the resultant galactic fame" as you mentioned

And I wish the young brother well and see him very successful in the future if he comes down to earth but as is he just don't got all what it takes to get in the room with the Hakeems, Jordans, Shaqs and Kobes

Hopefully he grows up...

 

[Brother Blues]

I will ask again,Cadaver fans...are you nervous yet

Mark Price ain't walking thru that door!!!

Brad Daugherty ain't walking thru that door!!

 

[THE DRIZZY]