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Watcher said:
1/4 of club goers are armed...how do they all know who the bad guys are? They wouldn't and more people would die from friendly fire.

Instead of 49 it would probably be 200.

The police thought there were more shooters in there and killed some of that 49. Trained police couldn't prevent friendly fire deaths yet you think randomly armed citizens is the solution to less deaths.

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Peace BROTHER,

The major assumption is that most police agencies are well trained and LE are good shots.

Most LE employ instinctive shooting. Shooting at assumed threats and belief or persons armed.

I have been to many gun ranges, competitive shooting events and trainings. LE is never the top shooters.

Most are really bad shots. Its that the average person running around with a gun has no idea what they are doing?

This is why training is so important.

If you believe 200 people would be dead due to a supposed shooter firing in a club, because legally armed and well trained citizens are defending themselves. I disagree.

Have you ever thought their may be more than 1 shooter? The story about LE killing people could all be a cover, since we are speaking in what ifs?
 
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PliggaNease said:
I'm all for responsible gun ownership, but let's be honest: Real life is not like the movies. In real life, the "good guy" is not just going to automatically take out his gun, yell "yippee kay yay, motherfucker" and take out the "bad guy" with a single shot to the head. When you have mass shootings, especially in dark places like a club or a movie theater, having multiple people trying to take out the target can end up being one big clusterfuck. Yes, there have been times when an armed citizen has been able to save the day, but that's not going to happen all of the time.
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Peace BROTHER,

I agree the gun fight is the last resort. I stated this earlier. and any good training or instructor will tell you so.
The first option is always retreat or escape if possible.
 
BUMBAY DA DOGG said:
Peace Brother,

I wasn't trying to insinuate anything negative. I just remember the BROTHER LICK from back in the day. I always thought he was a good BROTHER, good thoughts and ideas, fire posts and very helpful.

If you were him I was just going to say hello, what up? and how you doing?

Okay, carry on and PEACE!
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U good bro. No animosity from me at all.
I've never understood e-beef. Never did.
 
BUMBAY DA DOGG said:
Peace BROTHER,

I agree the gun fight is the last resort. I stated this earlier. and any good training or instructor will tell you so.
The first option is always retreat or escape if possible.
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Agreed. Otherwise, you end up with a situation like the one in Texas where the guy tried to stop a carjacking and ended up shooting the victim. Sorry ass picked up his shell casings and left the scene too.
 
PliggaNease said:
Agreed. Otherwise, you end up with a situation like the one in Texas where the guy tried to stop a carjacking and ended up shooting the victim. Sorry ass picked up his shell casings and left the scene too.
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BROTHER,

This why I keep stressing the training aspect.
 
easy_b said:
At some point in the future they are going to ban assault weapons again and No civilian needs a AR 15 or AK-47.
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Peace BROTHER,
I agree that day is coming. And it will be one of the most fucked up days we will later look back on.

Not because the guns are dangerous. Its because the politicians are crooked and the public is easily influenced, deceived, have no idea the difference between:
  • rights
  • executive orders
  • laws
  • priviledges
  • What the CREATOR gave each of us

I hope that day is a million years away.
 
easy_b said:
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BROTHER,

Please stop with the sensational headlines from these "fish-hack" ass newspapers.

This is only designed to confuse the issues. Stir your emotions on some bullshit.

So what truthful facts are they really giving you on gun ownership? Probably the same truthful facts they give you on the Israel and Palestine situation.

ABSOLUTELY NOTHING!
 
I'm not stopping nothing this is my opinion now you are entitled to your opinion so I am entitled to mine's

BUMBAY DA DOGG said:
BROTHER,

Please stop with the sensational headlines from these "fish-hack" ass newspapers.

This is only designed to confuse the issues. Stir your emotions on some bullshit.

So what truthful facts are they really giving you on gun ownership? Probably the same truthful facts they give you on the Israel and Palestine situation.

ABSOLUTELY NOTHING!
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Do CDC stats really mean anything wrt gun death/violence stats?

That's why I posted that John Oliver segment. The Dickey Amendment basically prevents the CDC from studying and researching gun violence by eliminating the budget for such research. Hell, the ATF can't even build an electronic, searchable database to track the origin of firearms because of this.
 
easy_b said:
I'm not stopping nothing this is my opinion now you are entitled to your opinion so I am entitled to mine's
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BROTHER,

I never aid anything about your opinion. I'm speaking of those sensational headlines with no basis and facts to the public.
Its just yellow journalism.

Hopefully, you re-examine this and apply some analytical thought.
 
Aww Skeet Skeet! said:
Do CDC stats really mean anything wrt gun death/violence stats?

That's why I posted that John Oliver segment. The Dickey Amendment basically prevents the CDC from studying and researching gun violence by eliminating the budget for such research. Hell, the ATF can't even build an electronic, searchable database to track the origin of firearms because of this.
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I did not look at the clip. I will take a look and get back.

What do you mean track origin of fire arms? I want to make sure I understand what you are getting at.

I'm not for the registration of any firearms!
 
easy_b said:
I'm not stopping nothing this is my opinion now you are entitled to your opinion so I am entitled to mine's
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BROTHER,

You sound emotional and upset.

Maybe you need to be on the no gun buy and no fly list? May I think you could possible want to harm some gun owners. Maybe I will report you to the authorities, for potential terrorism.

Now you will be under terror investigation, no due process and your rights are curtailed.

I would never do any of this. But see how easy this bullshit get out of hand.
 
BUMBAY DA DOGG said:
I did not look at the clip. I will take a look and get back.

What do you mean track origin of fire arms? I want to make sure I understand what you are getting at.

I'm not for the registration of any firearms!
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Not registration. I'm against registration as those that know will know, if need be.

But I believe it's more of an issue of record keeping for gun origins.
 
easy_b said:
At some point in the future they are going to ban assault weapons again and No civilian needs a AR 15 or AK-47.
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I disagree. You and every black man in America needs an AK-47 OR AK-74 and an AR-15 (just because it's common caliber for U.S.)

@easy_b have you ever shot either an AK or AR?
 
PliggaNease said:
I'm all for responsible gun ownership, but let's be honest: Real life is not like the movies. In real life, the "good guy" is not just going to automatically take out his gun, yell "yippee kay yay, motherfucker" and take out the "bad guy" with a single shot to the head. When you have mass shootings, especially in dark places like a club or a movie theater, having multiple people trying to take out the target can end up being one big clusterfuck. Yes, there have been times when an armed citizen has been able to save the day, but that's not going to happen all of the time.
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I know the rules... my rules are as follows:

1. Make sure I survive.
1.a. See 'bout my finfolk (the ones I fuck wit)

If Im in a building and shooting starts... I'm saving my own life. Muhfucka won't kill me, not without a fight.

My pistol is just that.... MINE!
 
Aww Skeet Skeet! said:
Not registration. I'm against registration as those that know will know, if need be.

But I believe it's more of an issue of record keeping for gun origins.
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Are you familiar with the 1968 Gun Control Act and building a non-serialized gun for personal use.

That requires no registration. They call these ghost guns today.

Is this what you are speaking of?
 
dHustla said:
I'm not following. What difference does it make the origin of the gun?
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I believe BUMBAY was talking about a national/federal registration, which I agree is no Bueno. Currently, registration is left to the states.

Gun origin, I believe, is mainly for tracing the firearm back to the gun store.
 
BUMBAY DA DOGG said:
So, I guess they were ready to just throw due process completely out the window.

I'm glad that bullshit did not pass.
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Man i could not agree with u more.. i read through some of what The Hill posted.. what made sense to me was this statement. .
(Republicans argue the Democratic measure is too broad and would harm Americans who aren’t tied to terrorism.

“We all agree that terrorists should not be able to purchase a weapon. That is not up for debate. Anybody who suggests that it is is simply misleading,” Cornyn said ahead of the vote. “The question before us is whether we’re going to do so in a way that’s constitutional)
 
BUMBAY DA DOGG said:
http://www.medicalnewstoday.com/articles/282929.php

The most recent data (2013) reveals that annually there were 2,596,993 deaths registered in the US, which equates to:1,2,41,44



    • 1,306,034 males
    • 1,290,959 females
    • An age-adjusted death rate, which accounts for the aging population, of 731.9 deaths per 100,000 US standard population
    • A life expectancy at birth of around 78.8 years.
Heart disease remains the leading cause of death in the US, accounting for 1 in every 4 deaths, and affecting significantly more men than women.



Top 10 leading causes of death
The top 10 leading causes of death in the US are below together with the most recent statistics and facts, together they accounted for 73.6% of deaths in 2013:44

causes-of-death.jpg

Annually there are around 2,596,993 deaths registered in the US with the leading top 10 causes accounting for nearly 75% of all deaths.
  1. Heart disease
  2. Cancer (malignant neoplasms)
  3. Chronic lower respiratory disease
  4. Accidents (unintentional injuries)
  5. Stroke (cerebrovascular diseases)
  6. Alzheimer's disease
  7. Diabetes (diabetes mellitus)
  8. Influenza and pneumonia
  9. Kidney disease (nephritis, nephrotic syndrome, and nephrosis)
  10. Suicide (intentional self-harm).
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BUMBAY DA DOGG said:
http://www.cdc.gov/nchs/data/nvsr/nvsr65/nvsr65_02.pdf

The CDC report prepared by "National Vital Statistics Report" ranks the leading 113 causes of death in the United States during 2013.
The report is titled:

Death: Leading causes for 2013
By: Melonie Heron PHD. Division of Vital Statistics

On page 5 item #107 it list the following as the leading cause of death...

ASSAULT (HOMICIDE) ACCIDENTAL DISCHARGE OF A FIREARM

The #113 leading cause of death in the US. Causing more death each year are:

Malignant neoplasms:
  • (cancers) #18
Nutritional deficiencies:
  • #44
Diseases of the heart:
  • #49
Influenza and pneumonia:
  • #66
Chronic lower respiratory disease:
  • things such as asthma and bronchitis
  • #70
Chronic Liver diseases:
  • #80 (alcoholic liver)
Nephritis, nephrotic syndrome and nephrosis:
  • Renal disease
  • #85
Pregnancy and child birth and the puerperium:
  • #90 ....ABORTION
  • #91 complications due to pregnancy
Transport Accidents:
  • #96
  • Motor Vehicles
Falls:
  • #99
Accidental discharge of firearms:
  • #100
Accidental drowning and submersion:
  • #101
Accidental exposure to fire, smoke and flames:
  • #102
Accidental Poisoning and exposure to noxious substances:
  • #103
Intentional self harm (suicide):
  • Intentional self harm by discharge of a firearm... #105
  • Intentional self harm by other means...#106

I REST MY CASE!
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So are you saying because stats indicate that percentage of death by gun violence is less than other causes that nothing needs to be done? That is the same logic that is used to say nothing needs to be done about police brutality against POC.




This is viewing people as stats, as numbers on a page. There are real lives and real grief behind those numbers. By this logic, since the majority of people drive sober, we shouldn’t campaign against drunk driving. Since the majority of husbands don’t beat their wives, we can ignore domestic violence. Since the majority of children aren’t abused or molested, no awareness is needed. Since the majority of children are born without birth defects, we don’t need to try to prevent them. Since there are diseases that no one has ever heard of, no research, prevention or cures are needed. This is telling people, who have been victims of gun violence, that their pain is insignificant because the stats are insignificant. I'm sorry, but I don't agree with that.
 
BUMBAY DA DOGG said:
Peace KL,

I'm not sure what "that club is"? I will take a stab that you are speaking of the Orlando possibly staged shooting situation.
I am actually referring to any enclosed space with a club-like atmosphere where alcohol and loud music are occurring but more specifically a situation like the most recent club shooting.

In any situation barber, butcher, candle stick maker and gun-owner. I suggest to only use your tool if you are:
1. Trained
1a. Can clearly sight your target and get off rounds
2. Can clearly do so with a proficient skill level
3. Are Confident in your ability
4. Have experience in shooting in low light visibility situations
5. Know and understand your weapon
6. Have not other means to safety
All these factors are ideal but how many gun owners you know besides law enforcement who practice regularly or practice in staged scenarios to improve their proficiency? I don't own a gun but manage to do it twice a year..but only target practice.

But the caveat is if you are cornered or in fear of your life. most people are going to pull and start blasting. But that's why training is so important.
This is where the problem starts. How would random person know friend from foe if you enter the fray after it has started.

Question to you:

Do you think so many people would have been supposedly shot or killed. If 1/4 of the Club goers were armed and trained in the use of a firearm? And carrying concealed or open.
In my mind, I can not see that less would have been hurt. Add to this, popo coming into a situation. They are gonna start shooting at anyone with a gun. Gun battles do not happen like they do on TV.

The supposed shooter could have been:
  • Forced to retreat due to the return fire
  • Forced to surrender his weapon
  • Subdued and held for the policed
  • Wounded
  • Killed
Possibly but we are talking ideal situation. You know that there aren't any ideal situations.
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Camille said:
So are you saying because stats indicate that percentage of death by gun violence is less than other causes that nothing needs to be done? That is the same logic that is used to say nothing needs to be done about police brutality against POC.




This is viewing people as stats, as numbers on a page. There are real lives and real grief behind those numbers. By this logic, since the majority of people drive sober, we shouldn’t campaign against drunk driving. Since the majority of husbands don’t beat their wives, we can ignore domestic violence. Since the majority of children aren’t abused or molested, no awareness is needed. Since the majority of children are born without birth defects, we don’t need to try to prevent them. Since there are diseases that no one has ever heard of, no research, prevention or cures are needed. This is telling people, who have been victims of gun violence, that their pain is insignificant because the stats are insignificant. I'm sorry, but I don't agree with that.
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Peace SISTER,

The point those 2 studies are making is other things in this country are killing people. They are killing far more people each year than guns. The same consorted effort should be placed towards banning or eradicating those things.

When was the last time you heard a call for banning cars or alcohol? Far more people die each year from each or a combination than guns.

When did they have a real discussion about appealing the prohibition on drugs in this country? Drug sales, drug related violence, drug use and the war on drugs. Kill many people each year.

To the point of your article when was the last time you heard people call for banning arrest because people die in custody?

The gun or the gun owner is not the problem. Its these very crooked politicians, media and anti-gun people who have mislead the public about:
  • the staged shootings
  • the real reason for gun confiscation
  • What is a assault weapon?
  • What is really in store once guns are gone from private ownership
So, what happen if they ban guns and you still have multiple killings by stapler, ink pen, bed sheet, umbrella?

Do we ban an item because of the actions of a very, very small few?

Do you own a gun?
 
Drayonis said:
Pause. Lol

All jokes aside. Most of these dudes with rifles and all that shit are lil' dick motherfuckers afraid of their shadow.
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Peace BROTHER,

What about guys who just enjoy shooting? Sporting or competitively.

What about people who appreciate craftsmanship, well made engineering and quality.
 

Peace BROTHER,

I not speaking in ideals. I'm purely speaking about what a trained, confident individual may do after assessing the situation.
 
BUMBAY DA DOGG said:
Peace BROTHER,

I not speaking in ideals. I'm purely speaking about what a trained, confident individual may do after assessing the situation.
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But you are describing ideal situations. Like Richard Pryor said, in life, a motherfucker stab awkward. Not the nice way that they stab at you in practice.
 
Drayonis said:
I have guns in my house for protection of my property my dick is big enough so I don't need to carry around an AR-15 to make me feel steady in my manhood
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Peace Brother,

Dudes is walking down the street where you live with a AR-15, AR-10 or AK, across their shoulder?

I see nothing wrong with that. But the dumb ass public and most cops don't
kinglickk said:
But you are describing ideal situations. Like Richard Pryor said, in life, a motherfucker stab awkward. Not the nice way that they stab at you in practice.
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Peace BROTHER,

I'm describing an ideal situation. You say I'm.

I'm talking about what trained, confident and astute people may do.

So are we going around like this all day?

What about all the other things that kill far more people each year than guns or gun men?

Do we start railing against them? Do we rail against bodies of water for people drowning? Are we now banning, rivers, creeks, streams, pool, oceans and swimmers?
 
BUMBAY DA DOGG said:
Peace Brother,

Dudes is walking down the street where you live with a AR-15, AR-10 or AK, across their shoulder?

I see nothing wrong with that. But the dumb ass public and most cops don't


Peace BROTHER,

I'm describing an ideal situation. You say I'm.

I'm talking about what trained, confident and astute people may do.

So are we going around like this all day?

What about all the other things that kill far more people each year than guns or gun men?

Do we start railing against them? Do we rail against bodies of water for people drowning? Are we now banning, rivers, creeks, streams, pool, oceans and swimmers?
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So many trained drivers but lots of dead people from car accidents.
We do not have to go in circles at all. You have your perspective and I have mine. At least we had a peaceful dialogue.
 

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