The most confusing bit about Kanye West for me...
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Musical Geniuses:
Duke Ellington, James Brown, Fela Kuti, Prince, Michael, Miles Davis, Charles Mingus, Eric Dolphy, Bob Marley, George Clinton/PFunk/Bootsy, Curtis Mayfield, Roy Ayers, Dizzy, Charlie Parker, David Bowie, David Axelrod, Quincy Jones, Zappa, Herbie Hancock, The Beatles/George Martin, The Beach Boys, Hendrix, Coltrane, Marvin Gaye, Aretha
Duke Ellington, James Brown, Fela Kuti, Prince, Michael, Miles Davis, Charles Mingus, Eric Dolphy, Bob Marley, George Clinton/PFunk/Bootsy, Curtis Mayfield, Roy Ayers, Dizzy, Charlie Parker, David Bowie, David Axelrod, Quincy Jones, Zappa, Herbie Hancock, The Beatles/George Martin, The Beach Boys, Hendrix, Coltrane, Marvin Gaye, Aretha
j cole and Drake are nothing like Kanye and are better lyricists. Uh, there has always been non gangsters making music- will Smith, tribe, pharcyde....he just had hotter beats.
I never said who was better. I said he paved the way for them. If Drake came out in 1994 niggas would say he's corner. And Will and Tribe were in the game long before. I'm talking about when KANYE came out. Will and Tribe wasn't record. Who fit that mold then?
Late Registration is his best album. Kanye is/ was a hip hop guru, but he's stood on the shoulders of giants, who laid a foundation. I'd say he had a genius run from College Dropout to whatever. But he's been wack for a while now. I'd call him a creative, resourceful genius up to a certain point. Like a great coordinator. But not a "musical genius." Never that.
What makes Kanye stand out is his creativity and open-mindedness to the creative process. Musically, he steps outside of boundaries of convention and genre to reconstruct musical elements into good modern art. For someone who doesn't play an instrument, his ear is well-developed. He has an unusually good sense of composition, spatially speaking - relative to your average hip-hop producer. I went into the video @World B Free posted with somewhat of an anti-Kanye bias. I came out with a bit more appreciation for his musical talents.
I'm still not ready to call him a musical genius though (he's DEFINITELY not one outside of music), and I think he shouldn't be so quick to refer to himself as one. I think that term is thrown around too loosely, in general. Kanye is one hell of a musical collage artist though.
One of the reasons I enjoy are discussions is that You always trying to stay positive
I think because I was a HUGE fan of Kanye and unfortunately you can find the posts to prove it.
So this hits me cause I go a WHOLE lot of people in my circle just saying
I TOLD YOU SO!!!
the people calling him out...that is to be expected and its NOT a surprise
What is disappointing like you mentioned?
Is the ones co-signing or trying to make excuses for him
and STILL using his mother's death as an excuse
THAT is dangerous as f*ck cause not only are they exposing themselves its adding fuel to the alt right fire
cause now all those liberals and white women who VOTED for Trump...
and acting like they DIDN'T?
Got a damn BLACK HERO...
he is now the patron saint of trolling with that rainbow haired dude.
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When did Kanye West become this self proclaimed genius? Maybe I'm old-school, maybe I'm out of touch, but in the era where we celebrate mediocrity with such vigor, when did Kanye's platform become as big as people make it seem?
Because I simply don't see it.
I even hesitate to call him a "musical genius" and maybe that's a testament to growing up at about the same time he did, making beats on an MPC, making music as everyone did in the 90s pretty much, I never really felt like he was the greatest to ever do it. He has put out some good albums and some great tracks but that's about it.
When I think of people more deserving of that title, Dr. Dre is in position for such accolades, alongside a Snoop Dogg or a Biggie or even a Tupac. Jay-Z is simply in a world of his own, but listening to Kanye speak, he has this arrogance as if he's in this category with these legends, and I wanna when this took place and how? This guy has recently been comparing himself to Michael Jackson, Prince, Steve Jobs, Walt Disney, Albert Einstein and countless others who actually deserved the genius title.
Comical and mistaken.
When did we, as a hip hop community raise this guy to those levels? Or did we? Is this all just media hype?
What's your opinion on this? Do you think he's as good as he or others may believe, or are you as confused as I am?
I agree with you except I don't think Dre, Snoop , Biggie , Tupac or Jayz are no genuis either. In the end, they are creating from scratch, they are taking what was there and exploiting it. sampling is not creative. With that said. None of them fool including Kanye should be mention in the same breath as Michael, Prince Jobs, Disney or Einstein. FOH with that BS. oh yeah and fuck Kanye!!
No one was as popular as Kanye but he didn't invent the non gangsta and others paved the way for him. None of this makes you a genius . Lil Wayne is more influential
Sampling is creative. People who talk shit about sampling can’t chop a sample to save their life
if it came down me to me chopping a sample, then I really shouldn't have a life!! Coloring within the lines of a coloring book is creative but that does not make you creative. Context is my point.
FOH
highly disagree
hiphop pioneers created a whole new genre of music. is that not creative? creating something new that never existed before.
creative - resulting from originality of thought, expression.
He's clever in the way Dr Dre is clever...taking whole chunks of other peoples finished works and putting your own slight spin on it. This is the main issue for people who don't like rap music to gripe about. Its like giving credit to Dre for the "beat" on Nuthin But A G Thang... All he did was use the intro to Leon Haywards I Wanta Do Something Freaky To You..looped it added some accents to it and the most original thing was the actual lyrics over it.
The difference between genius and clever is if Dre had created that bass groove and music originally himself he'd be a genius but his using it in the manner he did makes him very clever.
Thats kanye..a very clever artist with a HUGE ego.
yeahp!! and also dont forget without the right rapper, that beat wouldnt have gotten far
Biggie may have been a genius.
Nigga stay tryin to vote himself into the hall of fame . That's not how it works
That's not how it works
"G Thang" wouldn't have been hot without Snoop?
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