The military's real problem: Fewer Americans are joining

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When President Barack Obama announced that women would be eligible for combat roles in the military earlier this month, he stated “our armed forces have taken another historic step toward harnessing the talents and skills of all our citizens.” Secretary of Defense Ash Carter echoed those thoughts: “Our force of the future must continue to benefit from the best people America has to offer … in the 21st century, that includes drawing strength from the broadest possible pool of people.”

This change is going to help the military in any number of ways: It’s a step toward greater fairness, and it makes a new talent pool available to combat positions. But before we get too complacent, the Army has another challenge in front of it that opening the door to women is just one small step toward solving: It is understaffed for the challenges it faces, and faces an even bigger recruiting struggle ahead.

The number of Americans eligible to serve in the military is dramatically shrinking, leaving the Army at its smallest size in over 75 years and forcing units to rely on unstable and unprepared servicemen. That puts both our military troops and the country at risk.

In 2008, when I was an infantry company commander in charge of over 140 soldiers in Baghdad, I saw firsthand how the declining number of volunteers is hurting the military. Thirty-six of my men were forced to deploy even though their terms of service were up, a controversial military policy known as “stop loss” or the “back door draft.” To meet the bare minimum number of soldiers, my unit took men who were medically unfit to fight. I had soldiers that could not leave our compound because they were medically prohibited from wearing their body armor or classified as mentally unfit. I had soldiers taking anti-depression, sleeping, anxiety and other drugs. I had a mentally unstable private viciously attack his sergeant, causing lifelong damage, and multiple other problem soldiers that detracted from the combat performance of my unit. This was symptomatic throughout the Army.

The government’s current difficulty in assembling a full force dates to 1973, when the United States eliminated the draft and transitioned into an all-volunteer system. The major assumption undergirding that move was a belief that Americans would volunteer for military service when national security is at risk. But the past 14 years of war have proven that that assumption is wrong.

When the Army attempted to expand quickly to meet the demands of Iraq and Afghanistan, it struggled to recruit and retain enough soldiers fit for combat. The Army was forced to implement multiple policy changes to bring people into the army and to involuntarily keep those already serving. These changes included providing waivers to enlist high school dropouts, felons and others normally not qualified; increasing soldiers’ deployments from 12 to 15 months; and “stop loss.”

All of this is happening when the world is more unstable than at any point in recent memory. The Islamic State of Iraq and the Levant (ISIL) controls huge swaths of land and continues to commit mass atrocities, Iran is testing its ballistic missiles, China is building islands in the South China Sea, and Russia is facing off with Turkey. Faced with these threats, the Army must be ready to engage in multiple regions of the world at once. But by 2017, the Army will be the smallest it has been since 1940, with only 450,000 soldiers.

This problem is going to only get worse: The Department of Defense estimates that 71 percent of the roughly 34 million 17- to 24-year-olds in the U.S. today would fail to qualify based on the current enlistment criteria because of physical or mental health issues, low educational scores or major criminal convictions.

Of those who are qualified, many don’t want to join. A recent Washington Post survey found that 60 percent of 18- to 29-year-olds expressed support for using ground troops against ISIL. But 85 percent said they would “probably” or “definitely” not join the military. This is an alarming trend for an Army that relies on volunteers.

A small army incapable of expanding hurts our own capabilities and makes enemies less fearful of the U.S. military. If we want an Army that can expand quickly, we must recruit, train and develop a professional core of midgrade and senior officers and noncommissioned officers to which a group of junior enlisted volunteers can join. As the number of core officers shrinks, the risk that there won’t be enough volunteers in the future only increases.



Read more: http://www.politico.com/agenda/the-...er-americans-are-joining-000005#ixzz3vejuj1Uh
 
So that guy who wrote the article is going to ignore the mandatory draw downs. And forced reductions and much lower recruiting targets that have been established the last years? If they want more bodies in the military then they will expand the numbers again and they will easily get them to.
 
So that guy who wrote the article is going to ignore the mandatory draw downs. And forced reductions and much lower recruiting targets that have been established the last years? If they want more bodies in the military then they will expand the numbers again and they will easily get them to.

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This
 
Where are all those racist jug head crackers? They came out in droves after 911.

Come on crackers join the military!!!!
Maybe they aren't joining because their commander may not fit their standards? Recruitment is down because war activity is down. After France had their incident, people were reporting folks were enlisting. Just a few days ago, there was a story out that folks are lining up in this country to fly drones to defend the country in the middle of youknowwhere.
 
The goal of the American goverment has been to downsize the armed forces, moving away from a human based army and moving towards a reduced and highly technical one..
This was evident during operation desert storm when McCain insisted on under-manning the troops proving to congress that a smaller more technical advance units can be just as if not more effective in war..
Since then the armed forces have been downsizing while automated weapons and drones has increased production..
 
Training you to kill for them. Why don't they do the killing themselves?

Context of racism/white supremacy!
 
Military must lower their standards

Before, obviously it was easy as hell to join up and very difficult to ETS
(leave service)
U can piss hot and still remain in ,military had no leverage

Now military kicking muthafuckas left 2 right for simple ass reasons, obviously due to war being over ,leverage reversed

They gonna have to change these RE codes so ppl who exited out on tolerable terms ( drug use, not awol) can get a chance to get back in
 
Man I had a conversation with a Green Beret recently (a brotha). He had a degree in Arabic so naturally they assigned him to mid-eastern countries.

While on tour in Afghanistan and Iraq and other Arabic speaking countries, he was constantly bombarded with racist attacks from guys in his unit while working as an interpreter. Said the guys in his unit would flip out on him accusing him of being a traitor and defending the enemy while in the middle of interpreting what locals or prisoners were saying. He said he felt alone and isolated in his unit no friends no company, they treated him like he was the enemy.

He went on to explain to me why there aren't many blacks in the Green Beret, and he said that was because they disqualified most of the black candidates after making it to the final level of training. He said they did this because of credit scores. :hmm: They told him they did this because the Green Berets handle a lot of cash during ops they use to operate on while in the field in case they need extra weapons or money to get back home. So basically the credit score was a judgement of their character. The real reason was the Green Berets get a lot of bonus un-taxed money that isn't shown in their base pay, told me this was just another way to keep blacks from getting any of those benefits.


Mutha fuckas want people to sign up and fight for other people's interest. They need to man up and take responsibility and fight their own damn war.
 
:lol:I tried to enlist twice i never got a medical waiver from the navy. Dad would say try the army. I was like im good.
 
Man I had a conversation with a Green Beret recently (a brotha). He had a degree in Arabic so naturally they assigned him to mid-eastern countries.

While on tour in Afghanistan and Iraq and other Arabic speaking countries, he was constantly bombarded with racist attacks from guys in his unit while working as an interpreter. Said the guys in his unit would flip out on him accusing him of being a traitor and defending the enemy while in the middle of interpreting what locals or prisoners were saying. He said he felt alone and isolated in his unit no friends no company, they treated him like he was the enemy.

He went on to explain to me why there aren't many blacks in the Green Beret, and he said that was because they disqualified most of the black candidates after making it to the final level of training. He said they did this because of credit scores. :hmm: They told him they did this because the Green Berets handle a lot of cash during ops they use to operate on while in the field in case they need extra weapons or money to get back home. So basically the credit score was a judgement of their character. The real reason was the Green Berets get a lot of bonus un-taxed money that isn't shown in their base pay, told me this was just another way to keep blacks from getting any of those benefits.


Mutha fuckas want people to sign up and fight for other people's interest. They need to man up and take responsibility and fight their own damn war.

When were you told this? 18 Series is still eligible for 250K for 6 additional years after we hit 20.

I have seen more blacks come through in recent years but I won't knock his take. We have 2 other SF people on this board. I just happen to be the most vocal about what I do.

Then some of the rest is complete BS.
 
who wants to be in an endless war?



funny thing is i was in one of the first Air force Units to deploy in a combat zone. The Army was pretty much short staffed so they was training up air force units quick. I went to New Jersey to convey training for like 2 weeks! Then after a few months i deployed. It was fucking ridiculous the army hated us because it damn near seem like we was just in the way. I remember we was on convey training with the army in Baghdad and when they said CONTACT RIGHT it took my Msgt old ass so long to get out the fucking truck the Army Ssgt went clean the fuck off on that nigga. My Msgt tried to pull rank but that Army Ssgt shut that shit down quick and kicked that nigga off the convey it was fucking hilarious. He was like that old ass cracker going to get us killed out here. Ill never forget that shit because when they called out contact we had to jump off the truck and into that gravel. My whole body was soar. Then while your dealing with all that pain you gotta listen to the commands thats giving because you gotta shoot in waves. Luckily though i only did a few conveys my whole time there because the army really aint trust our ass and only used us when they really had to. I remember every ride because you're always in the mind state "this can be my last ride"

I'd be sitting there with my gun up and eyes watching everything carefully. The Army cats who been deployed several times wasn't even concerned but not me, My eyes was on everything from bridges to suspect shit on the side of the road. Thats when i knew i can blow a niggas brain out if need be. Crazy times i tell you............
 
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When were you told this? 18 Series is still eligible for 250K for 6 additional years after we hit 20.

I have seen more blacks come through in recent years but I won't knock his take. We have 2 other SF people on this board. I just happen to be the most vocal about what I do.

Then some of the rest is complete BS.

I was told this recently this month. He's been in for 3 years.

What is 18 series?

So are you saying even if they are disqualified from joining the Beret's they can still collect up to 25ok?

Disqualification on credit score was the main reason he said there were little to no blacks in the Beret's.
He was the only black guy in his unit, alone.
I thought getting through the training would be proof enough of your character.
But they would have a bogus reason to dq somebody. Military still racist.

He was a shooter. Told me all about the Scar rifle (heavy) and how they can order whatever gun they want from a catalog for training.
Also that the Green Beret were the reason for the ammo shortages in the military because they are using 10,000 rifle rounds a day and 5,000 pistol rounds just on training and target practice. Pretty interesting shit he told me.
 
this tells me that 1. young people are a little more wiser 2. the economy is good
 
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I was told this recently this month. He's been in for 3 years.

What is 18 series?

So are you saying even if they are disqualified from joining the Beret's they can still collect up to 25ok?

Disqualification on credit score was the main reason he said there were little to no blacks in the Beret's.
He was the only black guy in his unit, alone.
I thought getting through the training would be proof enough of your character.
But they would have a bogus reason to dq somebody. Military still racist.

He was a shooter. Told me all about the Scar rifle (heavy) and how they can order whatever gun they want from a catalog for training.
Also that the Green Beret were the reason for the ammo shortages in the military because they are using 10,000 rifle rounds a day and 5,000 pistol rounds just on training and target practice. Pretty interesting shit he told me.

The fact your boy didn't tell you what 18 series is may as well end this conversation for me. But, I digress...

credit score has to do with getting a clearance. If you weren't able to get a clearance, you would not have been able to go to the course. That happens to all kinds of people. It's not mainly black people. Our numbers in SOF are reflective of our numbers in the Army as a whole and the US population. Right around 16%. Now if he was saying there are more blacks in a particular SFG, then I would be more willing to entertain this.

Your boy told you about the SCAR? Nice rifle, but means nothing in the big picture. Infantry units will have them soon. Ranger Battalions got them before the groups did. Talking about a weapon means nothing to me.

I think he may be in Group as a GSB dude. Meaning he's lying outright or lying by omission. What rank is he to have been in 3 years and is supposed to be a "shooter"?

I won't pick at this all night but it's quite the tale.
 
I have not read this yet, but there has always been a war going on that black people did not know about. It is the war between truth and falsehood. We have been helping the enemy for far to long.
 
15 years of war with no definition of victory or war spoils have worn people down and soured minds on the idea of military.

Going to the Iraq theater, a mistake - no a lie, made many people inside and outside the .mil world feel as if their lives were commanded at the behest of a few elites who stood to profit greatly from the "incursion for nothing."

And as we discovered thru the Bush No-Bid contract to Dick Cheney's old company Halliburton, this is exactly what proved to be true.

During the phases of pull out, friends in the military told me they are instructed to destroy essentially brand new generators, humvees, heavy machines, water desalination machines, computers, some weapons etc by turning them over to contractors.

Then when they come home, they can't find work - there are little to no jobs in civilian life that match their MOSs. Unlike in the 1940s-80s where anyone could come home from war and find a manual labor or manufacturing job that could provide an ample income for their family.
 
He was a shooter. Told me all about the Scar rifle (heavy) and how they can order whatever gun they want from a catalog for training.
Also that the Green Beret were the reason for the ammo shortages in the military because they are using 10,000 rifle rounds a day and 5,000 pistol rounds just on training and target practice. Pretty interesting shit he told me.
:hmm:
 
The only reason to join is to get stationed in Korea or Japan and go on a fuck fest. Other than that? Foh.
 
Any job gives you that. 38? Any 20 year old can get a 401k and benefits at a decent job.
I'm sure you can find way better jobs on the outside...but trust, no 20 yr old ain't seeing no parts of his retirement until 65 with that said "decent' job. At what age can you start drawing from that 401k without a penalty?

That's all I'm saying
 
HeathCliff said:
I'm sure you can find way better jobs on the outside...but trust, no 20 yr old ain't seeing no parts of his retirement until 65 with that said "decent' job. At what age can you start drawing from that 401k without a penalty?

That's all I'm saying
Why would you touch the 401k pre 65?
 
Why would you touch the 401k pre 65?
Lol. That's the whole point of me bringing it up Truth.

I work with folks who were prior service, retired in 20 years. They're collecting $3500+ a month retirements just for waking up and still young enough to carryon and retire from their second career.
 
15 years of war with no definition of victory or war spoils have worn people down and soured minds on the idea of military.

Going to the Iraq theater, a mistake - no a lie, made many people inside and outside the .mil world feel as if their lives were commanded at the behest of a few elites who stood to profit greatly from the "incursion for nothing."

And as we discovered thru the Bush No-Bid contract to Dick Cheney's old company Halliburton, this is exactly what proved to be true.

During the phases of pull out, friends in the military told me they are instructed to destroy essentially brand new generators, humvees, heavy machines, water desalination machines, computers, some weapons etc by turning them over to contractors.

Then when they come home, they can't find work - there are little to no jobs in civilian life that match their MOSs. Unlike in the 1940s-80s where anyone could come home from war and find a manual labor or manufacturing job that could provide an ample income for their family.
I know about a lot of what you said here. I was told that during the Kuwait war, and I found out it was true. That King Faud offered to give each solider that came to help 10,000 dollars but Bush refused to let them have it. That was very outrageous.
 
[QUOTE"HeathCliff, post: 16052903, member: 7817"]Lol. That's the whole point of me bringing it up Truth.

I work with folks who were prior service, retired in 20 years. They're collecting $3500+ a month retirements just for waking up and still young enough to carryon and retire from their second career.[/QUOTE]
Oh ok i see what you saying now .lol
 
The fact your boy didn't tell you what 18 series is may as well end this conversation for me. But, I digress...

credit score has to do with getting a clearance. If you weren't able to get a clearance, you would not have been able to go to the course. That happens to all kinds of people. It's not mainly black people. Our numbers in SOF are reflective of our numbers in the Army as a whole and the US population. Right around 16%. Now if he was saying there are more blacks in a particular SFG, then I would be more willing to entertain this.

Your boy told you about the SCAR? Nice rifle, but means nothing in the big picture. Infantry units will have them soon. Ranger Battalions got them before the groups did. Talking about a weapon means nothing to me.

I think he may be in Group as a GSB dude. Meaning he's lying outright or lying by omission. What rank is he to have been in 3 years and is supposed to be a "shooter"?

I won't pick at this all night but it's quite the tale.

Well if you won't even explain it why would you expect him to.

Maybe I understood it wrong then.

I don't remember his rank and I don't expect to learn everything about the Berets in one conversation, the brotha just shared his experience with me.

The point was there wasn't enough brothas in the Berets perhaps 16% isn't enough.

If you think he's lying no sweat off my back.



:hmm: :hmm:
 
The views expressed in this article are those of the author and do not reflect the official policy or position of the Department of the Army, Department of Defense or U.S. government.

A 23 yr West Point Major will omit just as fast as a 1 yr butterbar:cool:
 
The views expressed in this article are those of the author and do not reflect the official policy or position of the Department of the Army, Department of Defense or U.S. government.

A 23 yr West Point Major will omit just as fast as a 1 yr butterbar:cool:

A 23 year Major would have had to have more than a decade of time as an enlisted Soldier or he wouldn't exist. They would have kicked him out way before he hit that mark. Even if he did have the enlisted time I mentioned above, he would never get promoted beyond that. There are one stars with less than 23 years in service.

This is the state of today's Army. With all the programs for trimming the fat out there, they would have cut their losses on MAJ Funbags first chance they got.

Mello Mello, 18 Series (or Career Management Field 18) is the Range of MOS's that are Special Forces Qualified.

On this board, we have one 18Z (myself), and 18B and 18C respectively. As far as I know, we are the only SF Soldiers here.
 
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