Thank you Spurs for FINALLY putting the MJ vs Lebron debate to rest… FOREVER!!!
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How is that an asset, if the end result is the same (a loss)? That would be what is called "sulking"
The debate was stupid anyway with both sides on some bullshit.
James isn't even 30. A loss to a superior team doesn't do anything to his legacy.
James isn't even 30. A loss to a superior team doesn't do anything to his legacy.
at mvp sir charles, league leading 3 point shooter for that yr thunder dan, 1 of the top 10 pg in da 90's kevin johnson, a 6 man award winner cedric ceballos, 1 of the rookie of the yrs runner up richard dumas, a good scoring tom chambers, a block leader in mark west, a multiple time champ danny ainge and a few other dudes who that yr led the nba in wins at being a weak ass team..most of ya nigs wasn't even old enough to grow hair on ya nuts to even kno how good da fucking suns were that yr
They never won nothing and never even made it back to a Final. When we start naming the TOP 10 bball teams of all time, that Suns team or any team that Jordan faced in a Final wont be there. You guys have GOT to expand your range of basketball history. Jordan never beat a great team or even 1 that won a title before.
This it the 91 squad he beat coached by Mike Dunleavy
Magic Johnson (31 years old)
AC Green
Sam Perkins
Vlade Divac
Terry Teagle
Tony Smith
Elden Campbell
No Kareem, no Cooper, no Scott, Worthy barely played. They werent even supposed to get by the Blazers that year who went the year before and the year after. Jordan's Finals opponents in the 90's were hella weak. Stop comparing him to LeBron. He'll never be him.
Fuzzy_McNut
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I remember when ray allen when ham on la for 8 3pointers. I remember the very next game the adjustment phil made. Derek was still guarding ray but he was on ball deny all dam game. So much so that I remember a frame where im like "there is only 8 people on the court...." and ray tip toed in the frame and he was barely crossing the half court line and Derek fisher was on him like white on rice. Ray was getting picks and good as screen and transition 3 balls....also phil put different people on ray allen
Patty Mills torches the fucking heat in game 5.....and no adjustment was made.....shit danny green and I think leonard torced the heat from 3 point range last year. They fucking just left patty mills out there....that right there is coaching
6-10 behind the arc
Look how open danny green is on his second 3.......the dude literally ran out of the paint to the corner to contest the 3 soon as danny caught the ball. That's called coaching right there. That's not the players that's dumb ass coaching. You adjust.
When ray was torching phil Jackson team ray had got a fast release and was getting perfect screens. Miami just said "fuck it they can't shoot"
all you have to do is move the ball around against MIAMI and you bound to find a 3 point shooter
Shit they had boris diaw open at the top of the key. He could have took the 3 himself but he passed it to danny green
That right there is bad coaching
This is the bullshit I'm talking about.
The Spurs of the last two seasons are one of the all time great teams and better than all of those teams mentioned.
Fuzzy_McNut
Banned
argueably he is the best considering how much he won and his accomplishments with his cast. But regardless of number 1 he still top 5 dead or alive. Jordan never had to face a master mind coach like greg pop
And hypothetical deserves it's place because his career isn't over
Fuzzy_McNut
Banned
they never made it back to the finals cause number 1 one of their best scoring threats got suspended for good richard dumas.. barkley started having back problems.. a few yrs lata kj and thunder started getting injury prone..if u actually watch bball u'd know that..ya nigs is google bball fans..ya dudes use google to get ur stats or your knowledge instead of watching the game..everything i said about the suns came straight off of memory cause i actually watch the games
This is what people need to understand:
Just because you're great, that doesn't mean you're Jordan level.
Jordan doesn't have a monopoly on greatness. There were a lot of players in NBA history who were GREAT players.
However, because someone can string together some nice statlines, and are athletic, they bypass every other player, and compare them to Mike.
Stop doing that.
Once you start making the comparisons, you quickly realize how monstrous Mike was.
Just because you're great, that doesn't mean you're Jordan level.
Jordan doesn't have a monopoly on greatness. There were a lot of players in NBA history who were GREAT players.
However, because someone can string together some nice statlines, and are athletic, they bypass every other player, and compare them to Mike.
Stop doing that.
Once you start making the comparisons, you quickly realize how monstrous Mike was.
When was it determined they were superior?
They beat them last year, and I didn't see a lot of Heat fans considering them superior prior to the start of the series.
they don't hear you
They never made it back because the Houston Rockets were better, and Jordan never even faced them either.
Hakeem was drafted before Jordan and we never even got to see them face each other. Bulls dodged them cats. The "great" big men Jordan faced in Finals were Vlade Divac, Greg Ostertag, Ervin Johnson, Mark West.
Better record, homecourt in the Finals, better coach, bigger bandwagon fanbase.
Fuzzy_McNut
Banned
spurs allways been a better team off paper. Undefeated in the finals Duncan prior to their loss last year
best coach greg pop
play off experience
more complete team
best coach greg pop
play off experience
more complete team
guaranteed those spurs teams would get demolished by each and every one of those teams EASILY in 4 game sweeps
Not to mention, how does a loss to a superior team do nothing to your legacy?
UGD, that makes no sense.
If you loss, you loss. Any team you lose to in a seven game series is going to be considered the superior team.
You think Lebron being 2 for 5 in the Finals for the career does NOTHING to his legacy?
Really.
Dude went to Miami to win no 1, no 2, not 3, not 4...
...and here he is four years in, and they've gotten 2 out of 4, and that team is anything but together at this point.
They're doing barely better than Boston who came together to win rings. They did all of that, and got one ring out of the whole deal.
UGD, that makes no sense.
If you loss, you loss. Any team you lose to in a seven game series is going to be considered the superior team.
You think Lebron being 2 for 5 in the Finals for the career does NOTHING to his legacy?
Really.
Dude went to Miami to win no 1, no 2, not 3, not 4...
...and here he is four years in, and they've gotten 2 out of 4, and that team is anything but together at this point.
They're doing barely better than Boston who came together to win rings. They did all of that, and got one ring out of the whole deal.
Take LBJ off the Heat, replaced him with Jordan, Heat get swept by Spurs EASILY.
Last year doesn't mean shit. This year, the Spurs won 62 games and faced the stiffer competition in the Western Conference. Most objective observers (not random fans who don't let facts interfere with their opinion) thought the Spurs were the better team.
I thought the Heat might pull it out but that it would take them the entire 7 games because they play such stupid basketball that it would come down again to good fortune and spurts of great basketball to save them.
They never made it back because the Houston Rockets were better, and Jordan never even faced them either.
u still not talking bout he defeated 3 diff nba mvp's and how he defeated all those guys in their prime..while ur boy lost to the old guys, the great white european hope, and baby face parker...thanks to lebron dirk feel like rocky
Fuzzy_McNut
Banned
Not to mention, how does a loss to a superior team do nothing to your legacy?
UGD, that makes no sense.
If you loss, you loss. Any team you lose to in a seven game series is going to be considered the superior team.
You think Lebron being 2 for 5 in the Finals for the career does NOTHING to his legacy?
Really.
Dude went to Miami to win no 1, no 2, not 3, not 4...
...and here he is four years in, and they've gotten 2 out of 4, and that team is anything but together at this point.
They're doing barely better than Boston who came together to win rings. They did all of that, and got one ring out of the whole deal.
And Jordan didn't go into the nba to win not 1, not 2 not 3.....or maybe he just went in to win 123 then lose 4 and 5, then come back and when 6 7 & 8 then lose the rest after that
point is Jordan could never win with a team built specifically around him and couldn't win either. Unlike magic who came in his first year, that team wasn't built around magic. But he still won.
Jordan couldn't do shit in Washington and was a all-star player aver 20 +
He beat Karl Malone who's known as a Finals choker. Barkley who went to A Finals ONCE. Thats it. Magic wasnt MVP the year he faced him.
He never beat Russell
He never beat Wilt
He never beat Kareem
He never beat Bird
He never beat Hakeem
He never beat Bron
Anyone propping him up over those guys is doing so because thats their opinion, not fact. What is a fact is that none of the 90's teams Jordan faced are really remembered like that except by hardcore bball fans. People dont even mention the comp cuz its so weak, they just mention the rings. Default rings.
Fuzzy_McNut
Banned
Jordan would average 100 in this era if they played Jordan single coverage like they did LEBRON and it would be a 4 game sweep, advantage Jordan's team with MJ winning FMVP.
Sorry
Then you lose.
The same way San Antonio spaced out the Heat, they would each of those teams. The 90s Knicks were tough but they wouldn't have had enough scoring and those Western teams wouldn't have had enough defense.
Not to mention, how does a loss to a superior team do nothing to your legacy?
UGD, that makes no sense.
If you loss, you loss. Any team you lose to in a seven game series is going to be considered the superior team.
You think Lebron being 2 for 5 in the Finals for the career does NOTHING to his legacy?
Really.
Dude went to Miami to win no 1, no 2, not 3, not 4...
...and here he is four years in, and they've gotten 2 out of 4, and that team is anything but together at this point.
They're doing barely better than Boston who came together to win rings. They did all of that, and got one ring out of the whole deal.
The Spurs were the superior team before the Finals. They were the best team in the league and had home court.
He went to win multiple championships and he's done so. He's 29, and barring injury, he'll still most likely win more championships.
His legacy isn't set until he's done, not in the middle of his career.
Those two are the same team and Parker, while at times the best pg in the league, didn't exactly show up last night.
Fuzzy_McNut
Banned
lebron never beat german rocky...dirk jog thru germany and da lil white kids run behind playing eye of the tiger..whenever u say the word texas around lebron he starts breaking out in cold sweats and starts getting dizzy spells
rocky,rocky,rocky
dirk: i defeat the darkies best hitler would be proud
Jordan was the GM of that Wizards squad and put it together. He brought in guys like Bryon Russell, Jerry Stackhouse, Charles Oakley, & Larry Hughes to "compliment" him. Jordan averaged more shot attempts (20 per game) as a Wizard than LeBron does as a Heat (17 per game). And he couldnt make it to the playoffs in the WEAK East. A team centered around him couldnt win if it didnt have a Scottie Pippen. In fact this Orlando Magic squad played better and actually made the playoffs.
Darrell Armstrong
Tracy McGrady
Mike Miller
Pat Garrity
Andrew Declerq
the great white european hope= dirk
Those Bulls teams were built around him.
When Magic was picked up by the Lakers, it was still Kareem's team. He was Kobe to Kareem's Shaq for a modern comparison.
I didn't think you meant Thiago Splitter.
I'm saying when reading your post, that the team of old guys and the great white European hope are the same team, not two separate teams. The Spurs aren't old so they can't be the "old guys".
Difference is, Jordan never under Performed in the Playoffs, Let alone Finals. Lebron has.
Jordan Never Lost a series when his team was expected to Win having HCA. Lebron has.
Jordan has NEVER gotten the opportunity to get played single coverage for an entire series. Lebron has. The one time they tried to play MJ single coverage in a game, He scored 35 points in the 1st half, setting all kinds of Records.
At the same ages of their careers.
Lebrons VERY BEST SERIES (against mostly single coverage) ARE BELOW AVERAGE JORDAN SERIES (against doubles and triples).
BTW, I have to update this List, Lebrons Assists, Points, Steals and Blocks dropped from the time these stats were posted.
Playoff Records:
Most points
5,987 by Michael Jordan
Highest points per game average (min. 25 games)
33.5 by Michael Jordan (179 games)
Most 50-point games
8 by Michael Jordan
Most 40-point games
38 by Michael Jordan
Most 30-point games
109 by Michael Jordan
Only player to score 15+ points in every game (min. 25 games)
Michael Jordan (179 games)
Only player to record consecutive 50-point games
Michael Jordan scored 50 and 55 points in Games 1 and 2 of the 1988 Eastern Conference First Round (Chicago Bulls vs. Cleveland Cavaliers).
Most consecutive 45-point games
3 by Michael Jordan (May 9-13, 1990)
Most consecutive 20-point games
60 by Michael Jordan (June 2, 1989-May 11, 1993)
Most consecutive 15-point games
179 by Michael Jordan. This streak entails every playoff game in Jordan's career.
Most consecutive 10-point games
179 by Michael Jordan. This streak entails every playoff game in Jordan's career.
Overall Records:
Jordan holds the Highest career PPG average in Regular season history.
Jordan holds the Highest career PPG average in Post season history. (compared to Wilt Chamberlain who is 29th in PPG in Post season history at 22ppg)
Jordan holds the Highest career PPG average in NBA Finals history.
Jordan holds the Highest career PER average in NBA regular season, post season and NBA Finals history.
Jordan holds the Highest career Efficiency rating average in NBA regular season, post season and NBA Finals history.
Jordan holds the Highest career Gamescore average in NBA regular season, post season and NBA Finals history.
Jordan holds the Highest career Winshares average in NBA regular season, post season and NBA Finals history.
Jordan holds the Highest MVP shares average in NBA regular season, post season and NBA Finals history.
Jordan is the only player to lead the league in Scoring and Win Defensive player of the Year a season.
Jordan is the only player to Win a championship, scoring title and steals title in the same season.
Jordan is one of 3 players in NBA History to win a NBA scoring championship and NBA Championship in 1 season. George Mikan and Lew Alcindor did it once Each. Jordan did it six times. All six times also leading the playoffs in scoring. Mikan did that once and Alcindor didn't do it at all.
Statically speaking, Jordan has the Highest and most impressive Career Statistical Average in regular season, post season and Finals NBA history.
This is why I believe its "trolling" if someone says someone other than Jordan is the Greatest Player of All Time.
17ppg and 35% on single coverage in the NBA finals
FOH
Your Hero is Inferior.
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kevin love
Carmelo
king james
wade
bosh
Trash. Would be lucky to see the ECF.
Wade is a shell of himself, both defensively and offensively. Melo and Love play matador defense. Lebron would have to play at his peak on both ends of every game for 48 minutes.
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