Superteams usually underperform - will Durant's Warriors be different?

Conventional wisdom would say that, .

He'll see a drop in scoring average and an increasing in shooting percentage...much like what Wade experience when Bosh and Lebron were there. There is no way around it. He's a pure shooter who will doing a lot of catch and shooting.
 
If he does that then its a plus for the opponents, being that Curry shoots for a much higher %...

You cats don't even take the time to look up stats. KD shoots at a higher percentage than Curry. Go look the shit up. He's shot better from the field than Curry every single year that Curry has been in the league. You know people take other shots besides 3s?
 
If KD leads the Warriors in points, rebounds, and assists while winning 2 Finals MVPs I'll drop the "complimentary" tag. Chances are Curry is gonna lead them in points and still be their main star. I know yall think what Miami did was EASY and can be duplicated, but you're about to see just how rare it is that Wade & Bron did what they did.

Heat still got to the finals their first year and was on the verge of winning..
 
KD has shot over 50% the last 4 seasons. His shooting percentage is likely going to RISE because he'll get much easier shots.
And this was against the highest percentage of contested/defended shots in the league due to that iso bullshit they played... Durant is a phenomenal player, and his greatness has been handicapped by Russells style of play. If they play and use him like they should and can, its gonna be a beautiful thing to watch. Unfortunately, i will be rooting against them every step of the way.
 
You cats don't even take the time to look up stats. KD shoots at a higher percentage than Curry. Go look the shit up. He's shot better from the field than Curry every single year that Curry has been in the league. You know people take other shots besides 3s?
And three points are worth more than two... Like I said I'd much rather see K.D. shooting more and Curry, Thompson and even Green shooting less...
 
And this was against the highest percentage of contested/defended shots in the league due to that iso bullshit they played... Durant is a phenomenal player, and his greatness has been handicapped by Russells style of play. If they play and use him like they should and can, its gonna be a beautiful thing to watch. Unfortunately, i will be rooting against them every step of the way.

Bro, this dude had problems being the "alpha" to Westbrook, but we posed to believe he's gonna have no problem doing that with Curry who's already won without him? :smh:
 
They were already a super-team, made it to the NBA finals twice. Won one. Lost one. Nothing, especially now, to indicate they won't be there a third and or fourth time. The goal isn't to have the best record again. It's simply to win.
 
And this was against the highest percentage of contested/defended shots in the league due to that iso bullshit they played... Durant is a phenomenal player, and his greatness has been handicapped by Russells style of play. If they play and use him like they should and can, its gonna be a beautiful thing to watch. Unfortunately, i will be rooting against them every step of the way.

Man. He's going to get catch and shoots all day. The thunder didn't have the talent to space the floor. His three point shooting is going to rise significantly too.
 
This is about LeBron not GS. Players trying to beat LeBron.

And it may be Curry's team but KD will be the best player on the team.
 
Remember Durant was on a team that had Harden, Westbrook and Jackson and still lost and the reason why is because he doesn't create shots for his teammates instead he takes them from them...
Even with Westbrook they had to take turns scoring never quite meshing together, and as the result they never won anything...
I've been killing Durant for years, after game two in the finals when, to me all of his flaws was exposed and every time he lost in the playoffs teams did the exact thing I said you do to him, and every time they did it they won...
 
Man. He's going to get catch and shoots all day. The thunder didn't have the talent to space the floor. His three point shooting is going to rise significantly too.
Listen, I been saying this for years, Durant will never beat you with the catch and shoot... Until he learns how to post up and really use his size he will always be the guy to shoot you in for victory or shoot you out of one..
He does exactly what Curry and Thompson does at a much more erratic level..
 
And three points are worth more than two... Like I said I'd much rather see K.D. shooting more and Curry, Thompson and even Green shooting less...

We're not talking about Shaq. We're talking about Kevin Durant. He's going to shoot 40% from 3 too.

You put Klay on the Thunder and he's not shooting anywhere near he does for the Warriors.. because he's a catch and shoot player. He's getting clean looks where he can square up.

You know they have stat charts that show shooting based on off the dribble, catch and shoot, and pressured?

There is a huge rise in shooting percentage when you get a lot of catch and shoot looks. FOr instance, look at Kyrie's shoot chart for 3s.. he shoots 18% on pressured 3s and 45 on catch and shoots.
 
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We're not talking about Shaq. We're talking about Kevin Durant. He's going to shoot 40% from 3 too.

You put Klay on the Thunder and he's not shooting anywhere near he does for the Warriors.. because he's a catch and shoot player. He's getting clean looks where he can square up.

You know they have stat charts that show shooting based on off the dribble, catch and shoot, and pressured?

There is a huge rise in shooting percentage when you get a lot of catch and shoot looks. FOr instance, look at Kyrie's shoot chart for 3s.. he shoots 18% on pressured 3s and 45 on catch and shoots.
Shooting 40% from the three is a huge down grade from the current Warriors team.. Plus with Kyrie he has the ball in his hands more and usually has the luxury of shooting when he feels it.. During the hurries its usually due to when the clock is running low and he is forced to shoot.. Something a number 4 option guy is forced to do all the time..
That is unless the Warriors are ok with putting the ball in Durants hands as opposed to Curry, again to me thats a big win for the other team...
 
Shooting 40% from the three is a huge down grade from the current Warriors team.....

Klay shoots 42% and he's all catch and shoot. :lol: So it's huge from 42% to 40%? :lol:

He's shot a higher clip than Klay multiple seasons and he had to do it as a ball-handler.

Now he's going to get completely squared up and just need to catch and shoot. I wouldn't be surprised if he shot at a higher percentage than Klay this season. he's a better pure shooter than Klay anyway...look at the shot charts and free throw percentage.
 
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"Perhaps the biggest boost will be in the post, where Durant scored 1.26 points per possession, good enough to rank in the top 1 percent of the NBA. "

@Amajorfucup

I'm convinced some of you niggas don't really watch basketball.
Durant is not a good post up player, point blank, I can see that with my eyes and results.. I think in stats like this they must be counting that drop back shot he takes at shot range.. But Durnat is not the go to the post fight for position and muscle his way for points guy..
If that were the case he would have killed the Warriors everytime they switched up and played him with a smaller guy..
 
If KD leads the Warriors in points, rebounds, and assists while winning 2 Finals MVPs I'll drop the "complimentary" tag. Chances are Curry is gonna lead them in points and still be their main star. I know yall think what Miami did was EASY and can be duplicated, but you're about to see just how rare it is that Wade & Bron did what they did.

Lebron averaged one more point thsn Wade did in 2010 so did that make him a complimentary player?

I don't think it's easy at all. Heat had three top 15 players and got 2 rings in four years. There's only one basketball. At the end of the day you gotta get key stops and that will be what will make or break the Warriors.
 
Klay shoots 42% and he's all catch and shoot. :lol: So it's huge from 42% to 40%? :lol:

He's shot a higher clip than Klay multiple seasons and he had to do it as a ball-handler.
They shoot a heck of a lot more three also like most good shooters they are given the green light to shoot their way out of slumps, meaning they will miss 5 shots in a row keep shooting till they get hot then shoot 7 in a row..
If you take only 15 shots a game you will not have that luxury...
So here is another areas where shooting less may actually harm them...
 
Durant is not a good post up player, point blank, I can see that with my eyes and results.. ..

Obviously you can't fucking see then because statistically he's ranked top 1% in the entire fucking league. You probably don't watch the Thunder play :lol:
 
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I am telling you guys, most jump shooters are not like regular shooters, I ought to know, they must get their touches in order to be efficient...
I felt that the Warriors had the perfect balance between shots taken and shots shared.. They are a jump shot first team, and as long as their key players are allowed to shoot a will, they was good..
Now they may have to manage their shots and this may interfere with their ability to shoot themselves out of slumps...
 
Obviously you can't fucking see then because statistically he's ranked top 1% in the entire fucking league. You probably don't watch the Thunder play :lol:

Nah he been watching Cleveland all year lmaoo
 
Bro, this dude had problems being the "alpha" to Westbrook, but we posed to believe he's gonna have no problem doing that with Curry who's already won without him? :smh:
Which will at some point be revealed as one of the main reasons he left.. I just dont see that as an issue with this GS team. They simply dont play that style of ball man.
There is a huge rise in shooting percentage when you get a lot of catch and shoot looks. FOr instance, look at Kyrie's shoot chart for 3s.. he shoots 18% on pressured 3s and 45 on catch and shoots.
"Durant is the only active NBA player to average 28 points and seven rebounds while shooting at least 50 percent in three different seasons. The only players in NBA history to do it more times than Durant are Wilt Chamberlain, Kareem Abdul-Jabbar, Shaquille O’Neal and Karl Malone."
And thats while taking the highest percentage of contested shots in the league...:smh::lol::(
:lol: :smh:

"Perhaps the biggest boost will be in the post, where Durant scored 1.26 points per possession, good enough to rank in the top 1 percent of the NBA. "
Man this muthafucka is soooooooooooooooo good..:smh:
 
Obviously you can't fucking see then because statistically he's ranked top 1% in the entire fucking league. You probably don't watch the Thunder play :lol:
All I know is when players like Curry and Thompson was forcing him to heave long ass jump bricks, right there and then I knew, he don't know how to post up right..
 
"Durant is the only active NBA player to average 28 points and seven rebounds while shooting at least 50 percent in three different seasons. The only players in NBA history to do it more times than Durant are Wilt Chamberlain, Kareem Abdul-Jabbar, Shaquille O’Neal and Karl Malone."

All centers and power forwards who are damn near producing all their points in the paint.

Now he's about to never get doubled and he'll get an exponential increase in catch and shoot jumpers :smh:
 
I always said that the way to beat OKC you encourage Durant to shoot..
He will always put up 28 pts, but they will be the most meaningless 28pts... Because what he gives you on one end he takes it back on the other, and often his points are at the cost of his teammates..
But not only that he is guaranteed to make some costly turnovers, take some bone head shots, when there are people wide open for a easy shot, and often disappear on defense and on the boards...
This has been his career in a nutshell..
 
People sleeping on how good this muthafucka is. That's why I don't like him going to a 73 win team. If they don't win every year he's there, it's a massive choke job.
I am not saying that Durant isn't good, I am saying his skill set is redundant on this team, doing things that players already do better than him, also I am saying for him to put up big numbers like he has in the past, he has to give up being the type of team player the Warriors are accustom to having..
Remember that one game in the playoffs vs the Warriors, where Durant tried to be more of a facilitator and not take so many wild shots, remember how sorry he looked, well thats the Durant you may see on the Warriors if he is not allowed to shoot at will, like he was able to do with the Thunder...
 
I am not saying that Durant isn't good, I am saying his skill set is redundant on this team,..

You think that because you don't really understand how Durant plays and the context of the Thunder. Read this:

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news...es-the-warriors-in-almost-every-way-possible/

Kevin Durant upgrades the Warriors in almost every way possible

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Kevin Durant, by joining the most efficient offense in the NBA, gets to play alongside Stephen Curry, Klay Thompson and Draymond Green, giving the Golden State Warriors an immediate upgrade over Harrison Barnes. And while the team that set the NBA record for most regular season wins didn’t need another superstar on the roster, adding one as bright as Durant should make this team virtually unstoppable.

But first, to fully transform himself as part of the Warriors’ offensive scheme, Durant has to say goodbye to hero ball. Specifically, he has to put himself in fewer man-to-man, or isolation, situations. Among forwards, only Carmelo Anthony and LeBron James ran isos more often. In the playoffs, only James, Kyrie Irving and Russell Westbrook found themselves in man-to-man situations more frequently, and all were more efficient scorers. Instead, Durant needs to just be what he is: a much better version of Barnes. An integral part of the vaunted small-ball lineup of death, Barnes was used primarily as a spot-up shooter, relying on a no-dribble jumper that produced 1.14 points per possession during the regular season. Durant wasn’t used on this play as often with the Thunder, but when Durant’s number was called, he was more efficient (1.19 points per possession).

Plus, Durant is a better player out of the pick and roll — when he isn’t asked to pass the ball. He scored 0.93 points per possession on his own, but saw that drop to 0.89 when he tried to make an assist. Perhaps having Curry, Thompson and Green as targets will help bring that average up, but if not, Durant in single coverage out of the pick and roll could be terrifying for the rest of the NBA. Just look at what he can do if he needs to fight through traffic.

Durant can also score off the screen, a staple of the Warriors’ offense. Golden State ran this play 1,073 times during the regular season, 411 more times than the Indiana Pacers, who used it the second most. Typically, Coach Steve Kerr will use Thompson (1.05 points per possession) or Curry (1.2 points per possession) off the screen, but having Durant (0.97 points per possession) rather than Barnes (0.9 points per possession) gives the Warriors another reliable shooter who can torment opposing defenders. And I am sure the Warriors would rather see Durant making more cuts to the basket now that he isn’t on the opposing team.

Perhaps the biggest boost will be in the post, where Durant scored 1.26 points per possession, good enough to rank in the top 1 percent of the NBA. Golden State, by comparison, scored just 0.8 points per post play. Barnes was the team’s best option, scoring 0.91 points per possession on 47.5 percent shooting. Durant gives the Warriors a better option in transition, too.

According to Synergy, Durant had 277 of his possessions last season in transition, and he scored on 57.4 percent of them. Barnes not only had significantly fewer (143), he also scored at a lower rate (52.4 percent). However, swapping out Durant for Barnes isn’t the only benefit to the Warriors — it also gives them a better ballhandler than Green, at least when looking at the numbers. With the Thunder, Durant handled the ball almost half the time (48.7 percent) in transition, scoring 1.21 points per possession on 58.3 percent shooting, good enough to be among the top 8 percent of the league. Barnes was just 2 for 9 during his 20 ballhandling possessions, and Green’s 0.53 points per possession over 101 tries puts him in the bottom 5 percent of the NBA. Here’s the best part: Green committed turnovers on nearly half of those transition possessions (49.5 percent!), whereas Durant coughed it up just 22.2 percent of the time.

This is also a defensive upgrade for Golden State. Durant allowed just 0.78 points per possession when tagged as the primary defender, not only lower than Barnes (0.86 points allowed per possession) but significantly lower when isolated to those instances where they were asked to guard a spot-up shooter. Against Barnes, opponents averaged 1.14 points per play. Against Durant, just 0.794. After adjusting margin of victory for strength of schedule, this year’s Warriors became the ninth team in NBA history to be 10 or more points better than an average team. Normally you would expect some regression after such a dominating season, but after adding Durant, it’s hard to imagine the Warriors slipping at all.
 
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Another thing folks are overlooking is the mental aspect of the game... If Durant had problem playing the Beta dog roll under Westbrook, how will he cope playing the Gamma dog on a offense that everyone on the team knows and is adjusted to, and he a vet with all those accolades under his belt is going have to learn and accept..
And folks are talking about Curry being happy about giving up shots for Durnat, well cot damn he already is giving up a ton of money, now he is going to be asked to give up potential future earning for this guys... Ok maybe yall know more about Curry than I do, but from a man point of view thats a real sucka move one that I sure his wife will pick up on, even if he doesn't..
 
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