Spielberg? Elton? No, the best-paid man in US entertainment is Tyler Perry

I don't know why everyone is equating him getting paid with being so positive for black folks. He should be top ranked. He single handedly has reworked the black image and has pushed black people farther away from there true culture. Every time you see some kid with skinny jeans on and a pink shirt thank him. He is getting that money off a cross dressing old church lady with a gun and you niggaz are bigging him up. Then there will be another thread on here talking about how these kids don't know how a man should act and are to feminine.

Like Spike said he's on some Amos and Andy shit. White people punish black folks for trying to promote POSITIVE SELF IMAGES of there people. The less you do that the more you get paid same with the music. In fact the black elite will punish you too. Come on this is BGOL brothers ain't that stupid. Anybody ever watched Meet the Browns. Tell me that ain't some old Coon shit. Niggaz always equate money with success. Some men will suck a dick :smh: for money I don't view that as success.

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Wasnt even going to comment in here because of the Madea Back up Squad but this is what I wanted to post.
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I don't know why everyone is equating him getting paid with being so positive for black folks. He should be top ranked. He single handedly has reworked the black image and has pushed black people farther away from there true culture. Every time you see some kid with skinny jeans on and a pink shirt thank him. He is getting that money off a cross dressing old church lady with a gun and you niggaz are bigging him up. Then there will be another thread on here talking about how these kids don't know how a man should act and are to feminine.

Like Spike said he's on some Amos and Andy shit. White people punish black folks for trying to promote POSITIVE SELF IMAGES of there people. The less you do that the more you get paid same with the music. In fact the black elite will punish you too. Come on this is BGOL brothers ain't that stupid. Anybody ever watched Meet the Browns. Tell me that ain't some old Coon shit. Niggaz always equate money with success. Some men will suck a dick :smh: for money I don't view that as success.

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The Spike Lee's and John Singleton's will never see that list.
 
I'm entertained by his movies, but I don't rent them or go out of my way to watch them. I am truly proud of this brother, even though he creates coonery in my book. But you have to look at the entire picture and that is he will motivate other young blacks to reach for their goals in entertainment.
 
I don't know why everyone is equating him getting paid with being so positive for black folks. He should be top ranked. He single handedly has reworked the black image and has pushed black people farther away from there true culture. Every time you see some kid with skinny jeans on and a pink shirt thank him. He is getting that money off a cross dressing old church lady with a gun and you niggaz are bigging him up. Then there will be another thread on here talking about how these kids don't know how a man should act and are to feminine.

Like Spike said he's on some Amos and Andy shit. White people punish black folks for trying to promote POSITIVE SELF IMAGES of there people. The less you do that the more you get paid same with the music. In fact the black elite will punish you too. Come on this is BGOL brothers ain't that stupid. Anybody ever watched Meet the Browns. Tell me that ain't some old Coon shit. Niggaz always equate money with success. Some men will suck a dick :smh: for money I don't view that as success.

When white folks see how much he has made you best believe hollywood will be casting more big mama types or your typical black stereotypes in their films
 
Man, please!

You dudes hate that a faggot is making bank by catering to Black women.

If this is coonery, then most of your favorite Black sitcoms were coonery as well.

Tyler ain't doing shit that hasn't been done in within the past 10 to 15 years by other popular comedians. You don't have to laugh, but it's no damned different.

Once again, most of you dudes can't get over the fact that a homo is doing THIS well. Other supposedly STRAIGHT Black men have been GLORIFY shit that has destroyed the Black man's image, and you all sit back and discuss it like it's high art from the Renaissance.

Please.
 
I don't know why everyone is equating him getting paid with being so positive for black folks. He should be top ranked. He single handedly has reworked the black image and has pushed black people farther away from there true culture. Every time you see some kid with skinny jeans on and a pink shirt thank him. He is getting that money off a cross dressing old church lady with a gun and you niggaz are bigging him up. Then there will be another thread on here talking about how these kids don't know how a man should act and are to feminine.

Like Spike said he's on some Amos and Andy shit. White people punish black folks for trying to promote POSITIVE SELF IMAGES of there people. The less you do that the more you get paid same with the music. In fact the black elite will punish you too. Come on this is BGOL brothers ain't that stupid. Anybody ever watched Meet the Browns. Tell me that ain't some old Coon shit. Niggaz always equate money with success. Some men will suck a dick :smh: for money I don't view that as success.

I see your point brother, but this argument has been posted time and time again. And the conclusion was, blacks don't support positive movies when they do come out. So essentially there isn't a market for it. Even if you owned your own production and studio and had the funding to produce positive black movies, you'll probably see coonery as a more attractive opportunity because of trends. At the end of the day is about one thing, producing. What makes money and what doesn't. You can make 25 Million producing a positive black movie or you can may 75 Mil producing some coonery. I rather much produce the wholesome positive shit, but the world doesn't like what we like. the numbers(data) show it.
 
Some of you have provided some weak arguments. The common theme with most of your post is that the black male is not portrayed in a positive light. Since when is it not positive to be a doctor, lawyer, successful entrepreneur or corporate executive? In TP's movies these are the backgrounds of all the lead actors in his movies.

The problem I see is that most of you can't separate a movie from real life. Why would anyone go into a comedy and expect it to be a reflection of real life?
 
Some of you have provided some weak arguments. The common theme with most of your post is that the black male is not portrayed in a positive light. Since when is it not positive to be a doctor, lawyer, successful entrepreneur or corporate executive? In TP's movies these are the backgrounds of all the lead actors in his movies.

The problem I see is that most of you can't separate a movie from real life. Why would anyone go into a comedy and expect it to be a reflection of real life?

Theres a windows thread you should be in.
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I have no problem with him making bank. I have a problem with the inferior product he puts out. More money should equal better scripts, actors, and production. Not continuing to make movies on the cheap.

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I have no problem with him making bank. I have a problem with the inferior product he puts out. More money should equal better scripts, actors, and production. Not continuing to make movies on the cheap.

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Homie, we are in the AGE of 'inferior product'.

At this point, I don't know if it's the lack of talent, or lack of demand for higher quality product.

At the end of the day, if ONLY high quality work was being supported, either Tyler P. wouldn't be in the game, or he'd step his game up.

TP is an entrepreneur. He's OBVIOUSLY giving the people what they want to see. My family damn sure love the fuck out of some TP.
 
never seen any of his films

If he owns global distribution channels that could penetrate China, India and Brazil then he will get my vote.
 
I see your point brother, but this argument has been posted time and time again. And the conclusion was, blacks don't support positive movies when they do come out. So essentially there isn't a market for it. Even if you owned your own production and studio and had the funding to produce positive black movies, you'll probably see coonery as a more attractive opportunity because of trends. At the end of the day is about one thing, producing. What makes money and what doesn't. You can make 25 Million producing a positive black movie or you can may 75 Mil producing some coonery. I rather much produce the wholesome positive shit, but the world doesn't like what we like. the numbers(data) show it.

that means you have a price, you can be bought!

some people NEVER compromise themselves, nor principles!

& if one or many has been conditioned en mass,

they need to be unconditioned, or reconditioned to the positive.
 
that means you have a price, you can be bought!

some people NEVER compromise themselves, nor principles!

& if one or many has been conditioned en mass,

they need to be unconditioned, or reconditioned to the positive.

This. :yes:

And this is why I respect Denzel.

 
For the record, this Perry was also once the highest paid actor in all of Hollywood. Coincidence?:rolleyes:

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It's been 2000 years since Jesus Dayz! That's 2000 years of Cracka Dayz!!

Nigga that means 2000 years since the gotdamned pharaohs gave your legacy away to the Cracka!

Almost 300 years of Cracka Dayz here in Cracka Land America 'til dat Cracka cocksucka 'bama

Nigga 2000 years! What makes you believe for a second that the Cracka 'bout to let go

Nigga 'bama's just a Cracka front just like this movie brutha Perry here

Oh Why Not! Sure!! Of Course!!! Belee Dat!!!! Do you nigga!!!!!

Wait, WHAT????


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AS LONG AS HE DOESN'T OWN ANY OF THE TOP 10 STUDIOS IN HOLLYWOOD THEN HE WILL ALWAYS WORK FOR SOMEONE

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I don't know why everyone is equating him getting paid with being so positive for black folks. He should be top ranked. He single handedly has reworked the black image and has pushed black people farther away from there true culture. Every time you see some kid with skinny jeans on and a pink shirt thank him. He is getting that money off a cross dressing old church lady with a gun and you niggaz are bigging him up. Then there will be another thread on here talking about how these kids don't know how a man should act and are to feminine.

Like Spike said he's on some Amos and Andy shit. White people punish black folks for trying to promote POSITIVE SELF IMAGES of there people. The less you do that the more you get paid same with the music. In fact the black elite will punish you too. Come on this is BGOL brothers ain't that stupid. Anybody ever watched Meet the Browns. Tell me that ain't some old Coon shit. Niggaz always equate money with success. Some men will suck a dick :smh: for money I don't view that as success.

That sentence is such a load of bullshit. Where was the black image before Tyler Perry's first movie. What was it before his first play?

Everyday people are big upping gold tooth having no english speaking can't stay out of jail rappers and you have a problem with this?

Everyday in the newspapers we see another case of some innocent baby being killed by some corner standing can't read fucking up their own neighborhood keeping it real thug ass nigga,


So please explain what this positive image we had before Tyler Perry was ?

Each and everyday we hear that somebody who respects black women and takes care of their babies are simps and lames but you have a problem with this?

Dressing up as a woman is as old as movies yet you try to make it seem like this is what is wrong with our image?

So why isn't the white image bad since Patrick Swayze played a woman, Dustin Hoffman, Tom Hanks, Tony Curtis.

Was our image destroyed when Wesley Snipes, Flip Wilson, Martin Lawrence, The Wayans brothers, Jaime Foxx did it or were we good until Tyler Perry did it?

Best believe the image we have wasn't created by a movie. It damn sure wasn't built on a sitcom.

Why is Spike mad because he can't get financing for his shit but Tyler Perry finances his own? Maybe there is a lesson there. Spike always court side , can't he sell his ideas to the NBA millionaires ?

Nobody says you have to like the man. his movies, his sitcom or anything about him but don't try that weak ass shit of him damaging our image. We have already done that for the years before him and the years since him.
 
seriously this guy gets so much hate. I mean as long as he's doing something positive whats the big deal?
 
Man, please!

You dudes hate that a faggot is making bank by catering to Black women.

If this is coonery, then most of your favorite Black sitcoms were coonery as well.

Tyler ain't doing shit that hasn't been done in within the past 10 to 15 years by other popular comedians. You don't have to laugh, but it's no damned different.

Once again, most of you dudes can't get over the fact that a homo is doing THIS well. Other supposedly STRAIGHT Black men have been GLORIFY shit that has destroyed the Black man's image, and you all sit back and discuss it like it's high art from the Renaissance.

Please.

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Man, please!

You dudes hate that a faggot is making bank by catering to Black women.

If this is coonery, then most of your favorite Black sitcoms were coonery as well.

Tyler ain't doing shit that hasn't been done in within the past 10 to 15 years by other popular comedians. You don't have to laugh, but it's no damned different.

Once again, most of you dudes can't get over the fact that a homo is doing THIS well. Other supposedly STRAIGHT Black men have been GLORIFY shit that has destroyed the Black man's image, and you all sit back and discuss it like it's high art from the Renaissance.

Please.

That would be good except for one thing: TYLER AINT FUNNY!

His writing is lazy and uninspired while exploiting the black church.
 
Homie, we are in the AGE of 'inferior product'.

At this point, I don't know if it's the lack of talent, or lack of demand for higher quality product.

At the end of the day, if ONLY high quality work was being supported, either Tyler P. wouldn't be in the game, or he'd step his game up.

TP is an entrepreneur. He's OBVIOUSLY giving the people what they want to see. My family damn sure love the fuck out of some TP.

I'm convinced that any black person who succeeds at a high level is referred to as a coon or a sell-out. He doesn't even portray blacks in a negative light.
 
and he still s makes crappy , stereotypical movies..... bgol is an example how diverse a minorities life can be.. yet he only shows one ... thats what's dissappointing.. so fuck the money.. what is the point of his films? hughes brothers, spike lee,f gary gray, john singleton..
 
Hate on Perry all you want. But he understands the business better than anyone else in the game. Been telling cats this shit for years. He makes more money than Will Smith per flick because he finances the entire film. Even with a back end deal Big Willie cant clear more than someone that rercieves every cent form their movies. One day Perry is gonna do a film that grosses 300 to 400 million dollars. And when he does, he'll get every dime of the profits. This is smart money niggas.
Yep!
 
and he still s makes crappy , stereotypical movies..... bgol is an example how diverse a minorities life can be.. yet he only shows one ... thats what's dissappointing.. so fuck the money.. what is the point of his films? hughes brothers, spike lee,f gary gray, john singleton..
Which one(side)is that? The hughes brothers? Really? Other than The Book of Eli the list below reeks of exploitation.
Menace II Society (1993)---Niggas banging
Dead Presidents (1995)---Niggas Robbibg
American Pimp (1999) – documentary-----Niggas Pimping.
From Hell (2001)---?
The Book of Eli (2010)
 
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Congrats Black Man..

:yes::yes::yes:
Although I do not totally support the man, I like what he represents. That is that with the right amount of fight, compromise and hard work u can do what your heart's content. Even if u have to sell your soul out, the sky is the limit. :hmm:
 
This. :yes:

And this is why I respect Denzel.



Co Sign. :yes:

"The first 2 to 4 films you do in this business... will dictate how you are perceived in this business" - Sidney Poitier (via Denzel Washington)

Absolutely agree. :yes:

Denzel's first 5 (major) movies...
- Carbon Copy
- A Soldier's Story
- Power
- Cry Freedom (His 1st Oscar Nomination)
- For Queen and Country
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Denzel even appears an outstanding tv Doctor on "St. Elsewhere" for 6 seasons during this time.


Tyler Perry's first 5 (major) movies...
- Diary of a Mad Black Woman
- Madea's Family Reunion
- Daddy's Little Girls
- Why Did I Get Married?
- Meet the Browns
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Tyler appears as 'Madea' in 3 out of 5 films.
Same character. Different location. Different circumstances.

The proof speaks for itself. :rolleyes:


Dressing up as a woman is as old as movies yet you try to make it seem like this is what is wrong with our image?

So why isn't the white image bad since Patrick Swayze played a woman, Dustin Hoffman, Tom Hanks, Tony Curtis.

Was our image destroyed when Wesley Snipes, Flip Wilson, Martin Lawrence, The Wayans brothers, Jaime Foxx did it or were we good until Tyler Perry did it?

Best believe the image we have wasn't created by a movie. It damn sure wasn't built on a sitcom.

Think about how Sidney Poitier's quote above applies to the actors you mentioned....

Dustin Hoffman starred in Tootsie...
But don't forget, he also starred in movies like Rain Man, Outbreak, Sleepers & Kung Fu Panda.

Patrick Swayze starred in Too Wong Foo...
But don't forget, he also starred in movies like Roadhouse, Dirty Dancing, The Outsiders & Steel Dawn.

Tom Hanks starred in Bosom Buddies...
But don't forget, he also starred in movies like Splash, Big, Toy Story (1,2,3), Forrest Gump, The Green Mile, Castaway, Saving Private Ryan, The Da Vinci Code & Road to Perdition.

Tony Curtis appeared in Some Like It Hot...
But don't forget, he also starred in movies like Spartacus & The Defiant Ones.

See the MAJOR difference between all these other actors and Tyler Perry?
They never let ONE SINGLE ROLE...... define their WHOLE career. :smh:

That's the difference. :yes:

Tyler is making MAJOR bank. Good for him.

What he does with all the money & production resources... only time will tell. :dunno:

From now on, will the majority of his films follow the same old formula?
- i.e. a typical 'Black Family Drama / or Comedy' with a Gospel message - that celebrates the 'victimization' of black women.

As the ONLY black director in Hollywood who can 'greenlight' a major movie... will this become Tyler's legacy in the Black community?

Should it matter?

20 years from now.... will he be considered the highest paid (cross-dressing) black director EVER....... to own his own studio?

And will we see 20 years worth of "Precious: Part 4" and "Madea: Part 8" and "Why did I get married? Part 5".... listed in his filmography credits?

Is he capable of using all his money & resources to create something ELSE?
Something completely different?

Just a decent movie. Period.

- A movie that doesn't involve child abuse. :smh:
- nor bash black men, in some fashion. :smh:
- nor involve black women getting abused. :smh:
- nor have any characters dressed in 'drag'. :smh:
- nor any of the characters from his previous movies. :smh:

With all that money & resources... how hard is that? :dunno:
As the ONLY black director in Hollywood who can 'greenlight' a major movie... should it matter?
 
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That would be good except for one thing: TYLER AINT FUNNY!

His writing is lazy and uninspired while exploiting the black church.

Guess what? I never laughed once at the show "Seinfeld", but obviously that didn't stop it from being one of the biggest shows ever.

YOU don't think it's funny, but many obviously do.

Also, as far the Black church being exploited? Those motherfuckers are lining up to be "exploited". Unlike with church, and the fear of hell, there is no moral/spiritual obligation to support TP...

...but they do.

As I've said, I don't even care for the dudes work - but some of you are so far left with your criticism that I can calling nothing but bias hatred.

I'm not even saying he's ABOVE criticism, but some of you dudes are making it seem like Black entertainment is in the dumps because of TP.

That's a bit rich.
 
Co Sign. :yes:

"The first 2 to 4 films you do in this business... will dictate how you are perceived in this business" - Sidney Poitier (via Denzel Washington)

Absolutely agree. :yes:

Denzel's first 5 (major) movies...
- Carbon Copy
- A Soldier's Story
- Power
- Cry Freedom (His 1st Oscar Nomination)
- For Queen and Country
--------------------------------
Denzel even appears an outstanding tv Doctor on "St. Elsewhere" for 6 seasons during this time.


Tyler Perry's first 5 (major) movies...
- Diary of a Mad Black Woman
- Madea's Family Reunion
- Daddy's Little Girls
- Why Did I Get Married?
- Meet the Browns
--------------------------------
Tyler appears as 'Madea' in 3 out of 5 films.
Same character. Different location. Different circumstances.

The proof speaks for itself. :rolleyes:




Think about how Sidney Poitier's quote above applies to the actors you mentioned....

Dustin Hoffman starred in Tootsie...
But don't forget, he also starred in movies like Rain Man, Outbreak, Sleepers & Kung Fu Panda.

Patrick Swayze starred in Too Wong Foo...
But don't forget, he also starred in movies like Roadhouse, Dirty Dancing, The Outsiders & Steel Dawn.

Tom Hanks starred in Bosom Buddies...
But don't forget, he also starred in movies like Splash, Big, Toy Story (1,2,3), Forrest Gump, The Green Mile, Castaway, Saving Private Ryan, The Da Vinci Code & Road to Perdition.

Tony Curtis appeared in Some Like It Hot...
But don't forget, he also starred in movies like Spartacus & The Defiant Ones.

See the MAJOR difference between all these other actors and Tyler Perry?
They never let ONE SINGLE ROLE...... define their WHOLE career. :smh:


That's the difference. :yes:

Tyler is making MAJOR bank. Good for him.

What he does with all the money & production resources... only time will tell. :dunno:

From now on, will the majority of his films follow the same old formula?
- i.e. a typical 'Black Family Drama / or Comedy' with a Gospel message - that celebrates the 'victimization' of black women.

As the ONLY black director in Hollywood who can 'greenlight' a major movie... will this become Tyler's legacy in the Black community?

Should it matter?

20 years from now.... will he be considered the highest paid (cross-dressing) black director EVER....... to own his own studio?

And will we see 20 years worth of "Precious: Part 4" and "Madea: Part 8" and "Why did I get married? Part 5".... listed in his filmography credits?

Is he capable of using all his money & resources to create something ELSE?
Something completely different?

Just a decent movie. Period.

- A movie that doesn't involve child abuse. :smh:
- nor bash black men, in some fashion. :smh:
- nor involve black women getting abused. :smh:
- nor have any characters dressed in 'drag'. :smh:
- nor any of the characters from his previous movies. :smh:

With all that money & resources... how hard is that? :dunno:
As the ONLY black director in Hollywood who can 'greenlight' a major movie... should it matter?

And Tyler Perry owns his own studio and 100% of his products.

You say those other actors don't let a single character define their career.

Well to me Tyler Perry's career is defined as someone who started with nothing and did it themselves.

First by writing plays and making them. Creating an audience and buzz similar to rappers who sell from their trunks

To making movies directed for the same audience that helped him grow his brand.

To owning a studio and being able to make his own movies while keeping all the proceeds and using black cast, black cameramen, black in front of the camera and behind.

Making tv shows that obviously have a following because he might as well own TBS.

I see his stories as having messages of redemption. They all have people who are fucked up but by the end there is a solid message.

There was a time that he said he was retiring Medea and did so in a couple plays and movies.

Half the people on this board that shit on Perry were raving about Jump the Broom. That movie was no different.

And Tyler Perry has done all of this in less than 20 years.

Who is to say that he will not finish making movies that are serious and historical. That man is in Hollywood and knows exactly what he can and cannot do.

I thought Daddy's Little Girls was very positive and showed a normal working everyday black man in a very positive light.

So while you think his career is defined by dressing as a woman I think it is defined by the fact you call him the only director who can green light a project.
 
And Tyler Perry owns his own studio and 100% of his products.

You say those other actors don't let a single character define their career.

Well to me Tyler Perry's career is defined as someone who started with nothing and did it themselves.

First by writing plays and making them. Creating an audience and buzz similar to rappers who sell from their trunks

To making movies directed for the same audience that helped him grow his brand.

To owning a studio and being able to make his own movies while keeping all the proceeds and using black cast, black cameramen, black in front of the camera and behind.

Making tv shows that obviously have a following because he might as well own TBS.

I see his stories as having messages of redemption. They all have people who are fucked up but by the end there is a solid message.

There was a time that he said he was retiring Medea and did so in a couple plays and movies.

Half the people on this board that shit on Perry were raving about Jump the Broom. That movie was no different.

And Tyler Perry has done all of this in less than 20 years.

Who is to say that he will not finish making movies that are serious and historical. That man is in Hollywood and knows exactly what he can and cannot do.

I thought Daddy's Little Girls was very positive and showed a normal working everyday black man in a very positive light.

So while you think his career is defined by dressing as a woman I think it is defined by the fact you call him the only director who can green light a project.

Agreed. Daddy's Little Girls was decent. :yes: I give him that.
(Btw, Jumping the Broom was just mediocre, imo.)

But after 16 stage plays, 14 films and 2 tv series 'in the can'...

Even with his own 'production studio'... you really think Tyler Perry is gonna 'greenlight' tv shows...
- similar to 'ER'... but with a black cast?
- or something like 'Cheers'... but with a black cast?
- or something like 'The X-Files'... but with a black cast?
- or something like 'Law & Order'... but with a black cast?
- or something like 'Moonlighting'... but with a black cast?
- or even an 'animated series'... but with a black cast / or black superheroes?

or you think he gonna 'greenlight' major Hollywood movies...
- similar to 'Star Wars'... but with a black cast?
- or something like 'The Breakfast Club'... but with a black cast?
- or something like 'Back to the Future'... but with a black cast?
- or something like 'Raiders of the Lost Ark'... but with a black cast?
- or something like 'Jurassic Park'... but with a black cast?
- or something like 'Bourne Identity'... but with a black cast?
- or something like 'The French Connection'... but with a black cast?

C'mon son. :smh:

Those types of movies & tv shows are not built on the "story of redemption, with a touch of gospel + comedy" formula. :smh:

Nah, when it comes to filmmaking and tv... that dude has ONE SINGLE lane... and he STAYS in it. :yes:

Plus, there's no black women getting (emotionally, or physically) abused in those types of scripts. :smh: So I don't see him changing lanes anytime soon.

He deviated for a hot second with Daddy's Little Girls, but it was still a movie "about redemption" at the end of the day. (So really he only 'swerved' passed 1 or 2 cars before heading back into his 'comfort lane', so to speak.)

In reality, I doubt he could make ANYTHING decent (on his own) that isn't a variation of Madea or 'Meet the Browns'.

Sheeeiiit.... even if he tried to do animation... it would prolly be called: Meet the 'Toons, or some shit. :rolleyes:

So while you think his career is defined by 'being the only black director who can greenlight a project'... I think it is defined by being 'the only black director who can greenlight THE SAME projects, over & over'.

Hopefully I will live long enough to see another black man who accomplishes what Tyler has done... but with a much more robust body of work.

And he does it WITHOUT ever dressing in drag.

Just saying.
 
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