Spider-Man: Homecoming -(discussion thread)
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Regarding the 8 years later with Vulture cleaning up after The Avengers.
I assumed the timeline was off since Avengers came out in 2012 but I copied this and it might clear things up...
I assumed the timeline was off since Avengers came out in 2012 but I copied this and it might clear things up...
TimeLine Master2 days ago
This works….
THE Definitive MARVEL CINEMATIC UNIVERSE Timeline NOW – (eh hum, as I see it…) ———————————————-
Iron Man – Starts in 2008, he is captured for 6 months, ends in 2009
Iron Man 2 (6 months later), Incredible Hulk, Thor – 2009 (main events happen all in the same week) Captain America 1 (1942 for the most part, all other present day scenes), The Avengers – 2009 Iron Man 3 (6 months after The Avengers) – 2010 even if not entirely correct.- Thor 2 – Starts in 2010, doesn’t come back to Earth until 2011, 2 years since last time
- Captain America 2 – 2012 – Fall of SHIELD, over 2 years since after The Avengers
- Guardians 1&2 – 2013-2014 (6 months apart) – as stated by James Gunn regarding #2
Avengers 2 and Ant-Man- 2015 – yeah, seems like a long time, but oh well, has to be over a year before Civil War
Captain America 3 – 2017 – 8 years since Tony announced he is Iron Man. 4 years no supervision
Doctor Strange – 2016-2017 (before accident, recovery, trip and training abroad)
Spider-man Homecoming – 2017- 2018 (takes place over unknown months in the school year, possibly) – 8 years after The Avengers
* this makes Peter Parker about 7 in Iron Man 2 retconned appearance
I'm thankful that we didn't get another origin story
I seen the movie it wasn't all that
He was really good on the 2nd season of Fargo. Definitely recommend that series. New cast and plot each season. They just wrapped up their 3rd season in June. Good cast selections over the years - Woodbine, Ted Danson, Jesse Plemons, Billy Bob Thornton, Colin Hanks, Kirsten Dunst, Martin Freeman, Carrie Coon, Ewan McGregor, etc.
RIP Dwyane McDuffie
It was great seeing his name on the screen
It was great seeing his name on the screen
Here's my initial thoughts after one viewing. It dragged a bit more than recent Marvel Blockbusters in some spots, and there is a bit of Spider-Man re-hash fatigue; seeing as how we are seeing this character redone for the 3rd time in 15 years.
It wasn't that this movie did anything bad, it was just that some of the sequences seemed a little been there done that, because similar sequences were played in both the previous iterations.
All that being said, I enjoyed it. Both Tom Holland and Michael Keaton did a very nice job with their characters. Tom Holland is the best Peter Parker by far. Tobey Maguire played Parker as awkward, while Andrew Garfield played him as different (slightly emo/on the fringe of society). Tom Holland communicates both aspects better than the others and he makes it seem far more natural. Michael Keaton was a great villain; he had layers, substance, and believable motivations.
His third act "reveal" was more organic than Ares' reveal in Wonder Woman.
There was a ton of good humor as I laughed a lot, and the action set pieces met my expectations. I like that they are exploring a new spin on "MJ". Zendaya did a nice job and I look forward to seeing the dynamic of their relationship develop in future films. Loved all of the Easter Eggs (Iron Spider, Miles Morales, Sinister Six, Cap's future with the Avengers, etc.).
On my scale of Superhero flicks which ranks Winter Soldier as a 10, WW as a 9, and GOTG vol. 2 as an 8.5; I'd give this movie a solid 8. Definitely worth watching, but not the best superhero flick released this year, IMO.
All in all though, it's definitely one I will see again, and I'm excited to see what they do in the future. I think they have set a better foundation going forward than either of the other Spider-Man series' did with their initial movies.
It wasn't that this movie did anything bad, it was just that some of the sequences seemed a little been there done that, because similar sequences were played in both the previous iterations.
All that being said, I enjoyed it. Both Tom Holland and Michael Keaton did a very nice job with their characters. Tom Holland is the best Peter Parker by far. Tobey Maguire played Parker as awkward, while Andrew Garfield played him as different (slightly emo/on the fringe of society). Tom Holland communicates both aspects better than the others and he makes it seem far more natural. Michael Keaton was a great villain; he had layers, substance, and believable motivations.
His third act "reveal" was more organic than Ares' reveal in Wonder Woman.
There was a ton of good humor as I laughed a lot, and the action set pieces met my expectations. I like that they are exploring a new spin on "MJ". Zendaya did a nice job and I look forward to seeing the dynamic of their relationship develop in future films. Loved all of the Easter Eggs (Iron Spider, Miles Morales, Sinister Six, Cap's future with the Avengers, etc.).
On my scale of Superhero flicks which ranks Winter Soldier as a 10, WW as a 9, and GOTG vol. 2 as an 8.5; I'd give this movie a solid 8. Definitely worth watching, but not the best superhero flick released this year, IMO.
All in all though, it's definitely one I will see again, and I'm excited to see what they do in the future. I think they have set a better foundation going forward than either of the other Spider-Man series' did with their initial movies.
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I'll give it an A.... its just slightly behind Doctor Strange in my opinion. Right in my top 5.
'Spider-Man: Homecoming' Writers on the Scene That Redefines the Movie
Chuck Zlotnick/CTMG
'Spider-Man: Homecoming'
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'Spider-Man: Homecoming' Writers Had Just 3 Days to Win Over Marvel
Jonathan Goldstein and John Francis Daley look at the film's pivotal moment: "It's fun to hear that audible reaction from the audience."
[Warning: This story contains spoilers for Sony/Marvel's Spider-Man: Homecoming.]
A hero is only as good as his villain, and Spider-Man: Homecoming is the rare movie to really deliver on that.
Screenwriters Jonathan Goldstein and John Francis Daley contributed to a number of inventive decisions for the film, such as Spider-Man (Tom Holland) actually being afraid as he scales the Washington Monument or giving him an A.I. pal named Karen (voiced by Jennifer Connelly).
But the pic's most startling scene is also its most intimate, one that doesn't rely on set pieces or action. It's a tense moment in which Peter Parker makes a discovery about the Vulture (Michael Keaton), giving both of the film's stars their meatiest work in the movie.
In a conversation with Heat Vision, Goldstein and Daley dig into that revelation and more, including what Spider-Man's life looks like following that final Aunt May (Marisa Tomei) scene, how they managed to introduce a number of villains without overcrowding the movie and the classic Spidey comic book moment Marvel Studios head Kevin Feige championed.
With the Washington Monument scene, you actually fear for Peter, and you really do think he might fail, which is quite rare for these movies. How did you craft that?
Jonathan Goldstein: We wanted the movie to focus on him coming to terms with his new abilities and not yet being good with them, and carrying with him some real human fears and weaknesses, like a fear of heights, because nobody ever dealt with that before. You just sort of assumed, "He gets bitten by a spider, he's totally comfortable on top of tall buildings," but why did that have to be the case?
John Francis Daley: Also, when you start small, it gives you such a place to go. Even within the context of this movie, I don't think you would feel that fear of heights or even the vertigo the audience feels in that scene if you establish him as swinging from skyscrapers at the top of the movie. We really wanted to dive into the evolution of this character and spend some time in those early stages, because even though it isn't this origin story where he's bitten by a spider, which we've seen a million times, it is sort of an origin story of him finding his place in the Marvel Universe.
We knew he'd have a cool suit, but I don't think we knew Karen would be such a fun take on JARVIS. How did she come about?
Goldstein: That was part of the decision to bring in Tony Stark, have him play a larger role in this. By giving the suit capabilities like those of the Iron Man suit, it made him more integral to Peter, so that way when Tony does take the suit, it means that much more. He's lost access to all these special abilities that haven't been in the prior movies.
Daley: There were multiple meetings when we were first outlining stories, just working with Marvel and [director] Jon Watts, where we were talking about all the cool things the suit can do, like it comes on loose and then it fits to your body. It felt like a natural way to play with the parameters of the suit and the fact that there are so many web-shooter combinations. It really plays into the wish fulfillment for kids, where you get a shiny new toy that has all sorts of fun stuff and you're still learning about it. And by the same token, it's also intimidating, like being given a car and not any lessons on how to drive it. So he's constantly at odds with his suit and not quite knowing how to operate it yet.
The standout scene doesn't involve anything big or fancy. It's just Peter, Liz (Laura Harrier) and her father, the Vulture, in a car. What were your inspirations there?
Goldstein: Some of our favorite scenes are where the villain doesn't yet know, but the audience does and you watch the villain realize who he's with, and that's sort of both of them discovering who the other is. There's just inherently great tension to that.
Daley: It was a scene we were sort of giddy when we first came up with it, because it's taking the obvious tension of meeting the father of the girl that you have a crush on, and multiplying it by 1,000, when you also realize he's the guy you've been trying to stop the whole time.
Goldstein: Jon Watts did a really nice job. You think you are on a high-school movie track, and then you are slammed right back into the superhero/villain story. And the two converge very nicely there.
Jonathan Goldstein (left) and John Francis Daley
Ned (Jacob Batalon) was great — from being the guy in the chair to having to lie and say he was looking at porn in the computer lab. Was that your line?
Goldstein: I don't think the porn line was ours.
Daley: The whole notion of him being the guy in the chair was a running gag we came up with, because it's really just playing into the movie trope you've always seen. It's not like the characters in these movies aren't familiar with these tropes. They exist in "the real world," presumably.
Goldstein: Simon Pegg in Mission: Impossible.
Daley: Exactly. There are so many characters like that guy in the chair, it was just nice to make fun of that convention.
Goldstein: And to be able to place it organically in a high-school computer lab. We specifically said it's got to be a swivel chair, and multiple computers.
Daley: At one point, I think we had a runner between Peter and Ned, where Peter is like, "Why do you need multiple computers? Why don't you just use different windows on the same computer?" He's like, "Because it's not as exciting!" Even the whole thing where he's pulling the specs of the Audi to tell him how to turn the lights on, that was contrived. "Pulling up the specs."
The Amazing Spider-Man 2 had a Sinister Six setup, and that didn't go so well. Here we've had plenty of villains, like Shocker and Scorpion. How did you make sure not to overdo it with the additional villains?
Daley: I think if you treat it all as an origin story, not just of our hero, but also of our villains and you see where they come from, it just gives them more humanity and relatability. Otherwise, you're just dealing with a mustache-twirling evil genius who has millions and millions of dollars to create his evil technology. All of a sudden, you don't care about that person or relate to them in any way.
Goldstein: It's all for the intention to make this movie exist in a much more grounded, and in some ways, a low-stakes world, where it's not about world domination, or these abstract things. It's just a guy with a beef who's trying to provide for his family. We also felt this is a starter version of Spider-Man. If you put him up against Doc Octopus or someone like that, he's going to get his ass kicked.
Daley: Or he'd call the Avengers. That's the other thing. We have to acknowledge the existence of the Avengers in this world, so if the threat became world-threatening, you would obviously bring in the big guys to handle it.
How did you decide that he wouldn't take up the offer to join the Avengers?
Goldstein: It's part of the overall arc for where Peter is in learning that he doesn't need the suit to be a hero, nor does he need membership in the Avengers to be a hero. He is his own guy, and the ultimate embrace of that is turning down an offer from Tony Stark.
At one point, you have Peter buried under rubble, which has to be a top five iconic Spider-Man moment from the comics. I was quite moved by that scene, and that must have been quite tricky to adapt.
Daley: That allusion was something Kevin Feige really wanted to put into this script, because it sort of embodies the internal struggle that Peter Parker is facing throughout, where he is his own greatest enemy in some ways, to have to accept himself before he can do anything helpful for the world. We have him starting the scene with such self-doubt and helplessness, in a way that you really see the kid. You feel for him. He's screaming for help, because he doesn't think he can do it, and then in the context of that flashback, he kind of realizes that that's been his biggest problem. He didn't have the confidence in himself to get himself out of there.
What does the story look like going forward now that May knows Peter's secret?
Goldstein: It just sort of diminishes what is often the most trivial part of superhero worlds, which is finding your secret. It takes the emphasis off that, lets her become part of what's really his life, so it's not cloak-and-dagger stuff. It's how does he best use these powers to help the world, help himself and his family and act responsibly. What's funny is, when we first went in to Marvel, we said we were imagining that Aunt May would be a Marisa Tomei type, and they kind of exchanged a look, because they were already secretly in negotiations with her. So things worked out well; we were all on the same page.
Daley: It sets up a fun storyline of having this maternal figure, who is supposed to protect this kid, but also knowing this kid is so much stronger than she is, and in fact his job is going to be to protect her, presumably.
If you had to pick one moment you are most proud of from the movie, what would it be?
Goldstein: For me, it's probably the sequence in the car with Keaton, where you see him realizing. There's just so much fun in what's going on in Peter's mind is he's finally got the girl of his dreams. They are going to the dance, and he thought he had it made, and then to realize this terrible truth of who she is and who he is. It's a blast.
Daley: It's fun to hear that audible reaction from the audience as they discover it. We started as purely comedy writers, and the biggest show of validation that we could get is to get laughter from the audience when we have a joke that works. And the equivalent of that in the sort of dramatic realm is to get a gasp from the audience with a bit that they didn't see coming. It's so satisfying to see people kind of get emotionally caught up and surprised by what happens.
For more from Goldstein and Daley, check out part one of our conversation here.
http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/he...ist-behind-michael-keatons-best-scene-1019557
Chuck Zlotnick/CTMG
'Spider-Man: Homecoming'
READ MORE
'Spider-Man: Homecoming' Writers Had Just 3 Days to Win Over Marvel
Jonathan Goldstein and John Francis Daley look at the film's pivotal moment: "It's fun to hear that audible reaction from the audience."
[Warning: This story contains spoilers for Sony/Marvel's Spider-Man: Homecoming.]
A hero is only as good as his villain, and Spider-Man: Homecoming is the rare movie to really deliver on that.
Screenwriters Jonathan Goldstein and John Francis Daley contributed to a number of inventive decisions for the film, such as Spider-Man (Tom Holland) actually being afraid as he scales the Washington Monument or giving him an A.I. pal named Karen (voiced by Jennifer Connelly).
But the pic's most startling scene is also its most intimate, one that doesn't rely on set pieces or action. It's a tense moment in which Peter Parker makes a discovery about the Vulture (Michael Keaton), giving both of the film's stars their meatiest work in the movie.
In a conversation with Heat Vision, Goldstein and Daley dig into that revelation and more, including what Spider-Man's life looks like following that final Aunt May (Marisa Tomei) scene, how they managed to introduce a number of villains without overcrowding the movie and the classic Spidey comic book moment Marvel Studios head Kevin Feige championed.
With the Washington Monument scene, you actually fear for Peter, and you really do think he might fail, which is quite rare for these movies. How did you craft that?
Jonathan Goldstein: We wanted the movie to focus on him coming to terms with his new abilities and not yet being good with them, and carrying with him some real human fears and weaknesses, like a fear of heights, because nobody ever dealt with that before. You just sort of assumed, "He gets bitten by a spider, he's totally comfortable on top of tall buildings," but why did that have to be the case?
John Francis Daley: Also, when you start small, it gives you such a place to go. Even within the context of this movie, I don't think you would feel that fear of heights or even the vertigo the audience feels in that scene if you establish him as swinging from skyscrapers at the top of the movie. We really wanted to dive into the evolution of this character and spend some time in those early stages, because even though it isn't this origin story where he's bitten by a spider, which we've seen a million times, it is sort of an origin story of him finding his place in the Marvel Universe.
We knew he'd have a cool suit, but I don't think we knew Karen would be such a fun take on JARVIS. How did she come about?
Goldstein: That was part of the decision to bring in Tony Stark, have him play a larger role in this. By giving the suit capabilities like those of the Iron Man suit, it made him more integral to Peter, so that way when Tony does take the suit, it means that much more. He's lost access to all these special abilities that haven't been in the prior movies.
Daley: There were multiple meetings when we were first outlining stories, just working with Marvel and [director] Jon Watts, where we were talking about all the cool things the suit can do, like it comes on loose and then it fits to your body. It felt like a natural way to play with the parameters of the suit and the fact that there are so many web-shooter combinations. It really plays into the wish fulfillment for kids, where you get a shiny new toy that has all sorts of fun stuff and you're still learning about it. And by the same token, it's also intimidating, like being given a car and not any lessons on how to drive it. So he's constantly at odds with his suit and not quite knowing how to operate it yet.
The standout scene doesn't involve anything big or fancy. It's just Peter, Liz (Laura Harrier) and her father, the Vulture, in a car. What were your inspirations there?
Goldstein: Some of our favorite scenes are where the villain doesn't yet know, but the audience does and you watch the villain realize who he's with, and that's sort of both of them discovering who the other is. There's just inherently great tension to that.
Daley: It was a scene we were sort of giddy when we first came up with it, because it's taking the obvious tension of meeting the father of the girl that you have a crush on, and multiplying it by 1,000, when you also realize he's the guy you've been trying to stop the whole time.
Goldstein: Jon Watts did a really nice job. You think you are on a high-school movie track, and then you are slammed right back into the superhero/villain story. And the two converge very nicely there.
Jonathan Goldstein (left) and John Francis Daley
Ned (Jacob Batalon) was great — from being the guy in the chair to having to lie and say he was looking at porn in the computer lab. Was that your line?
Goldstein: I don't think the porn line was ours.
Daley: The whole notion of him being the guy in the chair was a running gag we came up with, because it's really just playing into the movie trope you've always seen. It's not like the characters in these movies aren't familiar with these tropes. They exist in "the real world," presumably.
Goldstein: Simon Pegg in Mission: Impossible.
Daley: Exactly. There are so many characters like that guy in the chair, it was just nice to make fun of that convention.
Goldstein: And to be able to place it organically in a high-school computer lab. We specifically said it's got to be a swivel chair, and multiple computers.
Daley: At one point, I think we had a runner between Peter and Ned, where Peter is like, "Why do you need multiple computers? Why don't you just use different windows on the same computer?" He's like, "Because it's not as exciting!" Even the whole thing where he's pulling the specs of the Audi to tell him how to turn the lights on, that was contrived. "Pulling up the specs."
The Amazing Spider-Man 2 had a Sinister Six setup, and that didn't go so well. Here we've had plenty of villains, like Shocker and Scorpion. How did you make sure not to overdo it with the additional villains?
Daley: I think if you treat it all as an origin story, not just of our hero, but also of our villains and you see where they come from, it just gives them more humanity and relatability. Otherwise, you're just dealing with a mustache-twirling evil genius who has millions and millions of dollars to create his evil technology. All of a sudden, you don't care about that person or relate to them in any way.
Goldstein: It's all for the intention to make this movie exist in a much more grounded, and in some ways, a low-stakes world, where it's not about world domination, or these abstract things. It's just a guy with a beef who's trying to provide for his family. We also felt this is a starter version of Spider-Man. If you put him up against Doc Octopus or someone like that, he's going to get his ass kicked.
Daley: Or he'd call the Avengers. That's the other thing. We have to acknowledge the existence of the Avengers in this world, so if the threat became world-threatening, you would obviously bring in the big guys to handle it.
How did you decide that he wouldn't take up the offer to join the Avengers?
Goldstein: It's part of the overall arc for where Peter is in learning that he doesn't need the suit to be a hero, nor does he need membership in the Avengers to be a hero. He is his own guy, and the ultimate embrace of that is turning down an offer from Tony Stark.
At one point, you have Peter buried under rubble, which has to be a top five iconic Spider-Man moment from the comics. I was quite moved by that scene, and that must have been quite tricky to adapt.
Daley: That allusion was something Kevin Feige really wanted to put into this script, because it sort of embodies the internal struggle that Peter Parker is facing throughout, where he is his own greatest enemy in some ways, to have to accept himself before he can do anything helpful for the world. We have him starting the scene with such self-doubt and helplessness, in a way that you really see the kid. You feel for him. He's screaming for help, because he doesn't think he can do it, and then in the context of that flashback, he kind of realizes that that's been his biggest problem. He didn't have the confidence in himself to get himself out of there.
What does the story look like going forward now that May knows Peter's secret?
Goldstein: It just sort of diminishes what is often the most trivial part of superhero worlds, which is finding your secret. It takes the emphasis off that, lets her become part of what's really his life, so it's not cloak-and-dagger stuff. It's how does he best use these powers to help the world, help himself and his family and act responsibly. What's funny is, when we first went in to Marvel, we said we were imagining that Aunt May would be a Marisa Tomei type, and they kind of exchanged a look, because they were already secretly in negotiations with her. So things worked out well; we were all on the same page.
Daley: It sets up a fun storyline of having this maternal figure, who is supposed to protect this kid, but also knowing this kid is so much stronger than she is, and in fact his job is going to be to protect her, presumably.
If you had to pick one moment you are most proud of from the movie, what would it be?
Goldstein: For me, it's probably the sequence in the car with Keaton, where you see him realizing. There's just so much fun in what's going on in Peter's mind is he's finally got the girl of his dreams. They are going to the dance, and he thought he had it made, and then to realize this terrible truth of who she is and who he is. It's a blast.
Daley: It's fun to hear that audible reaction from the audience as they discover it. We started as purely comedy writers, and the biggest show of validation that we could get is to get laughter from the audience when we have a joke that works. And the equivalent of that in the sort of dramatic realm is to get a gasp from the audience with a bit that they didn't see coming. It's so satisfying to see people kind of get emotionally caught up and surprised by what happens.
For more from Goldstein and Daley, check out part one of our conversation here.
http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/he...ist-behind-michael-keatons-best-scene-1019557
holy SH*T!!!!!!!!!
thats the guy from BONES!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
5 Under-the-Radar Villains in 'Spider-Man: Homecoming'
Chuck Zlotnick/CTMG
Michael Keaton in 'Spider-Man: Homecoming'
Think Spidey has to deal with just one bad guy in his new movie? Think again.
[Warning: This story contains spoilers for Sony/Marvel's Spider-Man: Homecoming.]
If previous Spider-Man movies have seemed packed with supervillains, Marvel's Spider-Man: Homecoming should feel overstuffed, with Michael Keaton's Vulture being backed up by not one, two or even three other bad guys — there are, in fact, fiveother supervillains hidden in the background of the movie. But who are they, and what does their appearance tease for future movies? Keep reading.
The Prowler
The Prowler, real name Aaron Davis — played by Donald Glover in the movie — is a low-level thief in Marvel's comic books, but one with a particularly important nephew. The comic-book Davis is the uncle of Miles Morales, aka the Spider-Man who isn't Peter Parker. In the original version, Davis — who first showed up in Ultimate Comics: Spider-Man No. 1 in 2011 — was actually responsible for Miles getting his powers, having stolen the radioactive spider that bit him in the first place. Is this a sign of things to come for the cinematic version of the Spider-Man mythos? After all, in current Marvel comic continuity, Peter and Miles co-exist quite happily, and Marvel Studios head Kevin Feige has stated Miles does exist in the MCU.
The Shocker
Homecoming has not one, but two Shockers. Only one of them — Herman Schultz — holds that title in the original comic book, having debuted in 1967's Amazing Spider-Man No. 46. An irregular presence on the page, he's never quite graduated from the B-list, but his recent appearances in the Superior Foes of Spider-Man comic book series did put him (however temporarily) in charge of the New York underworld after he managed to blunder into defeating the Punisher. In Homecoming, he's played by Bokeem Woodbine and becomes the Shocker after Keaton's Vulture kills the first one.
READ MORE
Spider-Man Villains: From Green Goblin to Vulture, The Secrets Behind Their Creation
Jackson Brice, the other cinematic Shocker, is better known as "Montana," one of Spider-Man's earliest comic book villains from Amazing Spider-Man No. 10 back in 1964. A cowboy-themed character in the comic, his gimmick is that he's real handy with a lasso. In the film, where he's played by Logan Marshall-Green, he threatens to tell the Vulture's family all the bad stuff they've been up to. Well, blackmailing the Vulture doesn't end well.
The Tinkerer
The movie Tinkerer isn't particularly different in M.O. from his comic book counterpart, who debuted in 1963's Amazing Spider-Man No. 2. (That just so happens to be the same issue that introduced the Vulture, not coincidentally.) The comic version of Phineas Mason (played by Michael Chernus in the movie, where he's helping the Vulture with new toys), however, didn't rely on reverse-engineering technology from others to come up with his inventions; he was the kind of basement genius that appeared on a regular basis in comics back in the day. In later appearances, he went on to create gadgets for all kinds of other supervillains, realizing that it was far smarter to stay out of the action himself. Well, what else would you expect from a genius?
The Scorpion
Mac Gargan's appearance in the movie is the first time any version of the Scorpion has appeared in any Spider-Man movie, which is somewhat surprising given the popularity of the bad guy, who first showed up in 1964's Amazing Spider-Man No. 19 (although that was just as Gargan; he didn't appear as The Scorpion until the following issue). Gargan has been a continual thorn in Spidey's side through the hero's half-century history, and not just as the Scorpion, either; for a period, he had the Venom symbiote, which led to a short-lived career as — I swear this is true — "Dark Spider-Man." If that doesn't sound strange enough, there's also the fact that Gargan has been replaced as the Scorpion twice in Marvel's comic book history, with one replacement calling herself "Scorpia," because she's a woman. I apologize on behalf of comics. In the film, Michael Mando's version of the character appears in an end-credits scene, where he asks the Vulture if he knows who Spider-Man really is. Safe to say, the Scorpion will sting again.
http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/he...ing-shocker-scorpion-scenes-explained-1019482
Chuck Zlotnick/CTMG
Michael Keaton in 'Spider-Man: Homecoming'
Think Spidey has to deal with just one bad guy in his new movie? Think again.
[Warning: This story contains spoilers for Sony/Marvel's Spider-Man: Homecoming.]
If previous Spider-Man movies have seemed packed with supervillains, Marvel's Spider-Man: Homecoming should feel overstuffed, with Michael Keaton's Vulture being backed up by not one, two or even three other bad guys — there are, in fact, fiveother supervillains hidden in the background of the movie. But who are they, and what does their appearance tease for future movies? Keep reading.
The Prowler
The Prowler, real name Aaron Davis — played by Donald Glover in the movie — is a low-level thief in Marvel's comic books, but one with a particularly important nephew. The comic-book Davis is the uncle of Miles Morales, aka the Spider-Man who isn't Peter Parker. In the original version, Davis — who first showed up in Ultimate Comics: Spider-Man No. 1 in 2011 — was actually responsible for Miles getting his powers, having stolen the radioactive spider that bit him in the first place. Is this a sign of things to come for the cinematic version of the Spider-Man mythos? After all, in current Marvel comic continuity, Peter and Miles co-exist quite happily, and Marvel Studios head Kevin Feige has stated Miles does exist in the MCU.
The Shocker
Homecoming has not one, but two Shockers. Only one of them — Herman Schultz — holds that title in the original comic book, having debuted in 1967's Amazing Spider-Man No. 46. An irregular presence on the page, he's never quite graduated from the B-list, but his recent appearances in the Superior Foes of Spider-Man comic book series did put him (however temporarily) in charge of the New York underworld after he managed to blunder into defeating the Punisher. In Homecoming, he's played by Bokeem Woodbine and becomes the Shocker after Keaton's Vulture kills the first one.
READ MORE
Spider-Man Villains: From Green Goblin to Vulture, The Secrets Behind Their Creation
Jackson Brice, the other cinematic Shocker, is better known as "Montana," one of Spider-Man's earliest comic book villains from Amazing Spider-Man No. 10 back in 1964. A cowboy-themed character in the comic, his gimmick is that he's real handy with a lasso. In the film, where he's played by Logan Marshall-Green, he threatens to tell the Vulture's family all the bad stuff they've been up to. Well, blackmailing the Vulture doesn't end well.
The Tinkerer
The movie Tinkerer isn't particularly different in M.O. from his comic book counterpart, who debuted in 1963's Amazing Spider-Man No. 2. (That just so happens to be the same issue that introduced the Vulture, not coincidentally.) The comic version of Phineas Mason (played by Michael Chernus in the movie, where he's helping the Vulture with new toys), however, didn't rely on reverse-engineering technology from others to come up with his inventions; he was the kind of basement genius that appeared on a regular basis in comics back in the day. In later appearances, he went on to create gadgets for all kinds of other supervillains, realizing that it was far smarter to stay out of the action himself. Well, what else would you expect from a genius?
The Scorpion
Mac Gargan's appearance in the movie is the first time any version of the Scorpion has appeared in any Spider-Man movie, which is somewhat surprising given the popularity of the bad guy, who first showed up in 1964's Amazing Spider-Man No. 19 (although that was just as Gargan; he didn't appear as The Scorpion until the following issue). Gargan has been a continual thorn in Spidey's side through the hero's half-century history, and not just as the Scorpion, either; for a period, he had the Venom symbiote, which led to a short-lived career as — I swear this is true — "Dark Spider-Man." If that doesn't sound strange enough, there's also the fact that Gargan has been replaced as the Scorpion twice in Marvel's comic book history, with one replacement calling herself "Scorpia," because she's a woman. I apologize on behalf of comics. In the film, Michael Mando's version of the character appears in an end-credits scene, where he asks the Vulture if he knows who Spider-Man really is. Safe to say, the Scorpion will sting again.
http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/he...ing-shocker-scorpion-scenes-explained-1019482
My oldest: Daddy...what's a porn?
Me: Oh it um is something like a melon pecan...wait did you still want to get that limited edition scooter?
My oldest: WHAT?!??!?! Yeah....thank you daddy thank you
Me: Shhhh...your missing the movie.
I'll be sending all ya'll the bill.
Ain't no way in hell...I'm not going to say Homecoming was the biggest shit since sliced pudding, but ain't no way WW is a solid 9. HELL NO.
@playahaitian
Imma tell you why I'm not mad at the porn line or the FKMgame : they were kids. It's what kids do. And while I don't want to think about that, (I got kids), I remember hearing and talking about this shit as a kid. I remember trying to justify going to - what was it?- www.ohla.com for song lyrics and making a mistake and going to www.ohhla.com and coming up with porn on the schools computers. Not making that shit up. The game - it's something I'd expect a bunch of 10th graders to do. Seriously. At least they wasn't actually fucking and Ned knew the porn was wrong...there was morals here...these are good kids...
My oldest: Daddy...what's a porn?
Me: Oh it um is something like a melon pecan...wait did you still want to get that limited edition scooter?
My oldest: WHAT?!??!?! Yeah....thank you daddy thank you
Me: Shhhh...your missing the movie.
LOL
I hear you...it was just that was her first real grown up movie with me!
I think she went with the other girls in the family to WW ( I only heard good things btw)...
but that BP trailer kinda over took the house.
It was just me and her (you know they get sensitive when a new kid comes in the picture)
So we went to eat took a walk went to the comic book shop and then saw Spiderman way after her bedtime.
great time.
Honestly I kinda forgot about the porn thing because I assumed it would be earlier in the movie during the trip to Washington.
It was the look of confusion on he face
and it was nice that the other kids in the theater actually STOPPED laughing at some of the more adult jokes when they saw her.
that is STILL my baby she aint even 10 yet so I just wanted to shield her as much as possible.
and of course I blame you.
I didn't like the movie the story was all screwed up I mean Spider-Man talking to his suit now come on
I think its safe to go into a full discussion with spoilers.
Just a lite one to get started:
I LOVED the play on words in the title
I thought homecoming was just a nod to the collaboration and return to marvel camp, but since this was really a teen movie why not have an actual Homecoming dance!
Just a lite one to get started:
I LOVED the play on words in the title
I thought homecoming was just a nod to the collaboration and return to marvel camp, but since this was really a teen movie why not have an actual Homecoming dance!
That's dude from Better Call Saul..
Also was the voice & likeness of Vaas from Far Cry 3
I didn't like the movie the story was all screwed up I mean Spider-Man talking to his suit now come on
Actually the movie isn't too far off with this, they just made it fit within the MCU (JARVIS).
http://marvel.wikia.com/wiki/Iron_Spider_Armor
That's dude from Better Call Saul..
Also was the voice & likeness of Vaas from Far Cry 3
Also Vic from Orphan Black...
Seen it five times, and I've seen nothing to make me change my original opinion. Going to see Spider-Man again as well, which may adjust my rating of the movie upwards. As far as WW is concerned though, it had very few flaws, IMO. The story was solid, I wasn't bored during any of the scenes. It had good action, organic humor, perfect casting in 90% of the roles, Easter Eggs, Setup for the future, evoked emotion, and has been the best film in the DCEU ... by far. The only issues I had with the film were the lackluster Ares reveal, and the obligatory "here goes your fire and brimstone, end of DCEU movie boss battle". WW was so good, it could have been a Marvel Cinematic Universe film. It basically took what worked for "The First Avenger" and "Thor", then improved upon it.
won't be laughing after I PM you my paypal info.
LOL
I hear you...it was just that was her first real grown up movie with me!
I think she went with the other girls in the family to WW ( I only heard good things btw)...
but that BP trailer kinda over took the house.
It was just me and her (you know they get sensitive when a new kid comes in the picture)
So we went to eat took a walk went to the comic book shop and then saw Spiderman way after her bedtime.
great time.
Honestly I kinda forgot about the porn thing because I assumed it would be earlier in the movie during the trip to Washington.
It was the look of confusion on he face
and it was nice that the other kids in the theater actually STOPPED laughing at some of the more adult jokes when they saw her.
that is STILL my baby she aint even 10 yet so I just wanted to shield her as much as possible.
and of course I blame you.
I get you. Keep em kids. I'm the same way. I wasn't expecting it (my kids dont know what FMK is so I wasn't worried about that) but it wasn't bad. To be honest I think my oldest is more concerned with getting to high school than she is with what might happen in high school. Kids forget...I'm cool with that.
For this reason alone I can't give that movie a 9. It marred what was otherwise a decent flick. And a waste of talent! Damn you DC! *shakes fist*
...imma let you have that "could have been a MCU flim" though...LOL. Flick is a solid 7.
Wonder Woman was kinda corny to me. To each their own.
You saw Wonder Woman 5 times? Omg. You are a glutton for mediocrity.
Gal Gadot and Pratt did an ok job. However the story and action were horrible.
There was no build up for her Aunt to die. Also her Aunt didn't even NEED to die.
Her powers were never explained and she should not really know how to use them.
Movie was amateurish.
Gal Gadot and Pratt did an ok job. However the story and action were horrible.
There was no build up for her Aunt to die. Also her Aunt didn't even NEED to die.
Her powers were never explained and she should not really know how to use them.
Movie was amateurish.
Saw it three times in the theater and twice at home. I see every movie I like multiple times though. I saw Civil War 5 times in the theater. To each his/her own on their movie preferences, but from what I've seen in various threads; a lot of y'all tend to be marvel fanboys/fangirls that will hate on any and every thing DC. Not saying this is you, but from your comments it seems clear at least, that you didn't pay much attention to the film. WW was in no way, a terrible or mediocre movie.
Wonder woman would have been a really cool movie...15 years ago.
It was generic as hell.
It's not in the same stratosphere with the current crop of comic book flicks
It was generic as hell.
It's not in the same stratosphere with the current crop of comic book flicks
I disagree but that's your opinion. Anyway, we have a WW thread so I'm not going to continue the derailment of this one talking anything other than Spider-Man Homecoming, and direct comparisons.
Here we go.
1st, not even close, easily the best spider man. Marvel controlling this made it everything. Cat is actually young so there's 6 movies in this series and he won't be 30. Finally some forward thinking, this generation can grow up with him like the harry potter generation grew up with him.
Glad they got the timeline together immediately. Didn't waste a moment.
Enjoyed The Vulture and how he was trying to just feed his family by running illegal guns. Everyday guy that took an opportunity can't be mad at it other than him selling those guns to crooks. Keaton played the hell out of the role. Favorite part is when he realized Pete was spiderman and gave him his options. 2nd is when he killed the 1st shocker but was really trying to just suspend him into air but was like MEH afterwards.
Aunt Mae- just got oggled the entire didn't add anything didn't take anything away. this movie ain't about her anyway so it worked.
MJ- dry as fuck. Hilarious the entire time and will be a good ally to Peter in the future. He needs that deadpan in his life.
Guy in the chair- hated him at first then realized he's just a fat dork and it's the best thing to ever happen to him. So I give him a pass and he showed up when it was actually time to. Fuck that dumb ass hat though.
Bokeem- I'm glad he getting work still. Look the same age he always has. Incredible. He did a good job and actually needed more fight scenes imo. I look forward to him in the future. He's a damn good actor and fit seamlessly.
Prowler- Just real lol. When they were showing him all the toys he was like I'm just trying to stick someone up not send them back in time. And when Spider came with the interrogation technique and he just flatly told him he wasn't good at it but still gave him the information anyway? That indifference was everything. You have extreme bad extreme good you need some extreme indifference and he provided it in the short time he was on the screen. I was cracking up when he was talking about he had ice cream in his trunk and spider said you deserve it and ran off.
Starks- dope how he fought being a father figure but ended up being just that. all of his parts were timely. He did just enough to not take over the movie. He was there to help him find his footing. Perfect job of giving us stark without having us go damn is this an iron man movie?
Best sequence 1st time he saved him and he was at the wedding in India. 2nd time he saved him he tried to call him out saying you not even here as teens do trying to lash out and he hopped out the suit in a suit like dracula coming out of the casket and cascading down the staircase
Plot in finding himself was well done. A little long in some cases but not so long you thought why is this in the movie? Enough comedic moments to keep it light but the peril was real. The main villain sequence was good because he's a kid with super powers so he couldn't actually do TOO much. Just enough.
His suit was incredible.
Captain America getting his Troy McClure on was the absolute funniest shit in the movie and after the movie. Fucking hilarious
Also special shout out to "Yea Spiderman Guy" for actually getting a credit in the movie.
So with that I'll say
Yea spiderman
Yea Ironman!
1st, not even close, easily the best spider man. Marvel controlling this made it everything. Cat is actually young so there's 6 movies in this series and he won't be 30. Finally some forward thinking, this generation can grow up with him like the harry potter generation grew up with him.
Glad they got the timeline together immediately. Didn't waste a moment.
Enjoyed The Vulture and how he was trying to just feed his family by running illegal guns. Everyday guy that took an opportunity can't be mad at it other than him selling those guns to crooks. Keaton played the hell out of the role. Favorite part is when he realized Pete was spiderman and gave him his options. 2nd is when he killed the 1st shocker but was really trying to just suspend him into air but was like MEH afterwards.
Aunt Mae- just got oggled the entire didn't add anything didn't take anything away. this movie ain't about her anyway so it worked.
MJ- dry as fuck. Hilarious the entire time and will be a good ally to Peter in the future. He needs that deadpan in his life.
Guy in the chair- hated him at first then realized he's just a fat dork and it's the best thing to ever happen to him. So I give him a pass and he showed up when it was actually time to. Fuck that dumb ass hat though.
Bokeem- I'm glad he getting work still. Look the same age he always has. Incredible. He did a good job and actually needed more fight scenes imo. I look forward to him in the future. He's a damn good actor and fit seamlessly.
Prowler- Just real lol. When they were showing him all the toys he was like I'm just trying to stick someone up not send them back in time. And when Spider came with the interrogation technique and he just flatly told him he wasn't good at it but still gave him the information anyway? That indifference was everything. You have extreme bad extreme good you need some extreme indifference and he provided it in the short time he was on the screen. I was cracking up when he was talking about he had ice cream in his trunk and spider said you deserve it and ran off.
Starks- dope how he fought being a father figure but ended up being just that. all of his parts were timely. He did just enough to not take over the movie. He was there to help him find his footing. Perfect job of giving us stark without having us go damn is this an iron man movie?
Best sequence 1st time he saved him and he was at the wedding in India. 2nd time he saved him he tried to call him out saying you not even here as teens do trying to lash out and he hopped out the suit in a suit like dracula coming out of the casket and cascading down the staircase
Plot in finding himself was well done. A little long in some cases but not so long you thought why is this in the movie? Enough comedic moments to keep it light but the peril was real. The main villain sequence was good because he's a kid with super powers so he couldn't actually do TOO much. Just enough.
His suit was incredible.
Captain America getting his Troy McClure on was the absolute funniest shit in the movie and after the movie. Fucking hilarious
Also special shout out to "Yea Spiderman Guy" for actually getting a credit in the movie.
So with that I'll say
Yea spiderman
Yea Ironman!
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