Republican States Are Opting Out Of Federal Unemployment

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Lowkey, Hogan don’t even act like a typical conservative. Mans might be confused lol

That's not for lack of trying. Hogan does make attempts at the usual GOP fuckshit, problem is, he governs a deeply blue state with a largely Democrat legislature. Anytime he gets out of pocket, the State legislature overrules him.
 

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This weekend while me and the Family were out everywhere you see is help wanted signs the shit I found fun McDonalds was offering $9.50 while KFC across the street was $11 starting. It's really fun how The House and Senate can all agree on giving themselves raises but it's a problem to bring minimum wage up two damn dollars and these MFs are already rich.
 

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This post is nor about minimum wage, it’s about paying people unemployment when businesses are unable to fill jobs.

If you think that’s a good idea, I just disagree
If these businesses paid a decent living wage they'd not have problems filling jobs.

You not gonna work the shit outta me 50+ hours a week for $10 or $11 dollars an hour... if that's my choice then I'd stay home too...
 

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It’s obvious by the responses on here, folks have never ever run a business. Not every employer is a giant greedy corporation stealing money and making billions. Some regular businesses just need employees that charge reasonable rates.

The more we raise the minimum wage, the more that the only companies that could afford to pay that rate are giant multi-billion dollar companies.

I’m not talking FOX News points, just simple business 101
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This weekend while me and the Family were out everywhere you see is help wanted signs the shit I found fun McDonalds was offering $9.50 while KFC across the street was $11 starting. It's really fun how The House and Senate can all agree on giving themselves raises but it's a problem to bring minimum wage up two damn dollars and these MFs are already rich.
Just a quick question- who is rich? McDonalds the corporation? Or the person who owns that McDonalds?

Have you ever considered that maybe the person who owns the McDonalds isn’t rich, but is a business owner making a modest living? Have you also wondered that increasing the salary of employees can reduce the profits to such an extent as to make the business less interesting to the owner- for example it may reduce the owners take from $100,000 annually to $40,000.

I know, they should just close down all businesses if they can’t afford to pay $15 an hour right?

That looks like a sound argument until you realize that the only type of corporations that can comfortably afford to do that in certain industries - like farming, food service, etc are large multi-billion conglomerates.

What you are really saying is that the government should tax small independent businesses, because forcing a company to pay more than the market requires is a tax, and help build bigger corporate monopolies.

Be careful what you ask for.
 

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Just a quick question- who is rich? McDonalds the corporation? Or the person who owns that McDonalds?

Have you ever considered that maybe the person who owns the McDonalds isn’t rich, but is a business owner making a modest living? Have you also wondered that increasing the salary of employees can reduce the profits to such an extent as to make the business less interesting to the owner- for example it may reduce the owners take from $100,000 annually to $40,000.

I know, they should just close down all businesses if they can’t afford to pay $15 an hour right?

That looks like a sound argument until you realize that the only type of corporations that can comfortably afford to do that in certain industries - like farming, food service, etc are large multi-billion conglomerates.

What you are really saying is that the government should tax small independent businesses, because forcing a company to pay more than the market requires is a tax, and help build bigger corporate monopolies.

Be careful what you ask for.
All biz aren’t brick and mortar.. all small biz don’t operate the same way.. some small biz actually pay their employees great... the term small biz has a loose meaning when it comes to paperwork, funding, etc... there were sport franchises that fell under the meaning of “small bizz” due to the fact they had less than 500 employees.. some will use that small bizz guideline to underpay their staff even though their company generated billions.. lot of big companies use the “small bizz” term to cut corners
 

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Just a quick question- who is rich? McDonalds the corporation? Or the person who owns that McDonalds?

Have you ever considered that maybe the person who owns the McDonalds isn’t rich, but is a business owner making a modest living? Have you also wondered that increasing the salary of employees can reduce the profits to such an extent as to make the business less interesting to the owner- for example it may reduce the owners take from $100,000 annually to $40,000.

I know, they should just close down all businesses if they can’t afford to pay $15 an hour right?

That looks like a sound argument until you realize that the only type of corporations that can comfortably afford to do that in certain industries - like farming, food service, etc are large multi-billion conglomerates.

What you are really saying is that the government should tax small independent businesses, because forcing a company to pay more than the market requires is a tax, and help build bigger corporate monopolies.

Be careful what you ask for.

When you pay well, you have less turnover, less absenteeism, eventually leading to more knowledgeable and experienced employees, less costs for training, more loyalty and people actually invested in the well being of the company, etc. You also normally get better workers and performance, because you always have willing applicants to take their place for the better wages.

There are always exceptions to this rule, but most folks are willing to work and like to be able to take pride in a job well done.
 

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McDonald's is the latest company to raise hourly wages

McDonald's is among the latest companies to raise hourly wages. It will raise wages at an average of 10 percent for its U.S. company-owned restaurants over the next several months.

McDonald’s is raising the hourly wages for its U.S. company-owned restaurants as the fast-food chain looks to hire 10,000 workers for those locations. The broader restaurant industry is facing a labor crunch.

Fewer people are returning to the workforce than expected, and eateries are trying to meet consumer demand as it comes roaring back.

The hiring announcements that usually arrive in the spring and summer months have been accompanied this year by news of wage hikes, referral and retention bonuses and other enhanced benefits.

Chipotle Mexican Grill, for example, said its average wage per hour would be $15 by the end of June. Workers at McDonald’s company-owned locations will see pay raises of an average of 10% over the next several months.

Entry-level employees will be making $11 to $17 per hour, and shift managers will make $15 to $20 an hour, based on location. “Together with our franchisees, we face a challenging hiring environment, and staying ahead means we must constantly renew our commitment to offer one of the leading employment packages in the industry,” McDonald’s USA President Joe Erlinger said in a message to the U.S. system viewed by CNBC.

Based on the current labor market, McDonald’s expects that the average wage for employees of its company-owned restaurants will be $15 per hour by 2024.

However, these increases will not directly impact workers who are employed by restaurants owned by McDonald’s franchisees. The fast-food giant franchises 95% of its U.S. restaurants.

 

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It’s obvious by the responses on here, folks have never ever run a business. Not every employer is a giant greedy corporation stealing money and making billions. Some regular businesses just need employees that charge reasonable rates.

The more we raise the minimum wage, the more that the only companies that could afford to pay that rate are giant multi-billion dollar companies.

I’m not talking FOX News points, just simple business 101
This is the most logical point in this thread.

Let's take it a step further.

The $300 unemployment supplement equates to $7.5 per hour based upon a 40 hour week, which is $15,600 per year. This is in addition to the base unemployment which is $320 on average which is an additional $16,640. This is a total of $32,240.

Currently, a business would have to offer at least $32,240 or $15.50 per hour plus x amount of opportunity cost to get a person to forego "free" money to go work.

For most people, $32K is more than they have every made and more than they would make working 40 hours a week. Because of this, many people are just refusing to go back to work which has lead to a nationwide employee shortage.

Some people get too accustomed to the "free" money and experience an economic hock when the benefits run out.

I 100% believe and support government assistance. However, I do not support any "assistance" that cripples my people and facilitates a dependency that hinders economic independence.
 

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This is the most logical point in this thread.

Let's take it a step further.

The $300 unemployment supplement equates to $7.5 per hour based upon a 40 hour week, which is $15,600 per year. This is in addition to the base unemployment which is $320 on average which is an additional $16,640. This is a total of $32,240.

Currently, a business would have to offer at least $32,240 or $15.50 per hour plus x amount of opportunity cost to get a person to forego "free" money to go work.

For most people, $32K is more than they have every made and more than they would make working 40 hours a week. Because of this, many people are just refusing to go back to work which has lead to a nationwide employee shortage.

Some people get too accustomed to the "free" money and experience an economic hock when the benefits run out.

I 100% believe and support government assistance. However, I do not support any "assistance" that cripples my people and facilitates a dependency that hinders economic independence.
No just no. Free money is a false talking point especially when it comes to employee compensation. Starting salary and health care, as stated in the news report are key.
When the pay is good, as stated above in this thread, you get better employees and a better product/service delivery
 

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It won’t change anything or force folks back to work like they think.

Remember, the Child Tax Credit kicks in on July 15, 2021.

It will be $300/month for each child under 6 and $250/month for children 6 thru 17.

Majority of poor, working class folks have more than 2 children.

So do the math on how much a large segment of the US population will be getting checks and how much.

States can’t stop those checks because they come straight from the Federal Government unlike UI which flows thru the states.
 

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There's a lot of things that people are missing from the sides of the owner, a former employee that was laid off and an Independent Contractor(gig worker)

Gig workers who normally wouldn't qualify for UI probably doing working for at least 60 hrs for three companies(those companies avoided paying in to Unemployment.

An employee, as we know if they're getting $13/hr from UI, they're catching up on bills because they don't have extra pulled out(fica, ss, etc)

An employer, depending on the company and the state would have to pay more for that employee in benefits. $30k/Yr gross to employee might actually be $42K/Yr to payout.

Finally, it seems like everyone is assuming everyone got on UI at the same time. We'll see in September which states were right and which were wrong.

BTW I thought this is Insurance.

Also we're still in a mismanaged pandemic.
 
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These states are stupid. This is federal money that the recipients are going to use to spend money in their state, which will help businesses in their state and also taxes.

that's what I'm saying we all remember BB a few years back struggling like hell to stay open, you would think these clowns would let this ride till September to provide extra spending that people can do in retail and electronic but they bitching about that.

I don't understand cac logic here, seems they need desperate-poor since that's how they stay in power, if you not hungry you don't need anything. That's why they love the poor so much, loyal footsoilders till the end.

Florida's unemployment is 275 lol, lower that the average

And our COL is straight through the roof, we'll be cali with half the jobs soon....
 

totto

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It won’t change anything or force folks back to work like they think.

Remember, the Child Tax Credit kicks in on July 15, 2021.

It will be $300/month for each child under 6 and $250/month for children 6 thru 17.

Majority of poor, working class folks have more than 2 children.

So do the math on how much a large segment of the US population will be getting checks and how much.

States can’t stop those checks because they come straight from the Federal Government unlike UI which flows thru the states.
great point, a person with 2 kids will basically make more staying home than at a lot of jobs still...

Lose Lose situation for the GOP, they'll be bitching about it come August when the numbers aren't back yet.

Those jobs are toast and trust me in Florida many pay 10-13 a hour which is laughable.

They're gonna have to close up shop or pay more.
 

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It won’t change anything or force folks back to work like they think.

Remember, the Child Tax Credit kicks in on July 15, 2021.

It will be $300/month for each child under 6 and $250/month for children 6 thru 17.

Majority of poor, working class folks have more than 2 children.

So do the math on how much a large segment of the US population will be getting checks and how much.

States can’t stop those checks because they come straight from the Federal Government unlike UI which flows thru the states.

:yes:

The tax credit is essentially universal basic income which is why they are panicking. I think it will be a success I just hate that the same poor cacs who despise "socialism" and "progressivism" will also benefit. :lol:
 

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The tax credit is essentially universal basic income which is why they are panicking. I think it will be a success I just hate that the same poor cacs who despise "socialism" and "progressivism" will also benefit. :lol:

Folks got a taste of what a livable wage is. Lol.

All society is going to do is price them out again. Mofo going to be mad like shit when they have to sign a lease and that price when up on rent.
 

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This is the most logical point in this thread.

Let's take it a step further.

The $300 unemployment supplement equates to $7.5 per hour based upon a 40 hour week, which is $15,600 per year. This is in addition to the base unemployment which is $320 on average which is an additional $16,640. This is a total of $32,240.

Currently, a business would have to offer at least $32,240 or $15.50 per hour plus x amount of opportunity cost to get a person to forego "free" money to go work.

For most people, $32K is more than they have every made and more than they would make working 40 hours a week. Because of this, many people are just refusing to go back to work which has lead to a nationwide employee shortage.

Some people get too accustomed to the "free" money and experience an economic hock when the benefits run out.

I 100% believe and support government assistance. However, I do not support any "assistance" that cripples my people and facilitates a dependency that hinders economic independence.
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I really think there are two kinds of mentalitys: the broke Nukka mentality and the boss. A broke nukka knows that he will never be the boss of anything, so he hates all bosses and anyone the owns anything that he doesn’t. People who think like this would like a 99% tax rate on the rich.

A boss either owns things, or expects to own things in the future, so the last thing that he wants to do is make it market in himself, when he arrives at his goal. People like this recognize the value of wealth, and that government shouldn’t be set up to prevent new wealth creation.

You can tell by the responses in here, who has which mentality.
 

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that's what I'm saying we all remember BB a few years back struggling like hell to stay open, you would think these clowns would let this ride till September to provide extra spending that people can do in retail and electronic but they bitching about that.

I don't understand cac logic here, seems they need desperate-poor since that's how they stay in power, if you not hungry you don't need anything. That's why they love the poor so much, loyal footsoilders till the end.

Florida's unemployment is 275 lol, lower that the average

And our COL is straight through the roof, we'll be cali with half the jobs soon....
This. Its only until September and these dumbasses can t allow the federal govt to give their citizens of their state spending money to help local stores.
 

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I doubt no one on UI currently is making the max.
 
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totto

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I really think there are two kinds of mentalitys: the broke Nukka mentality and the boss. A broke nukka knows that he will never be the boss of anything, so he hates all bosses and anyone the owns anything that he doesn’t. People who think like this would like a 99% tax rate on the rich.

A boss either owns things, or expects to own things in the future, so the last thing that he wants to do is make it market in himself, when he arrives at his goal. People like this recognize the value of wealth, and that government shouldn’t be set up to prevent new wealth creation.

You can tell by the responses in here, who has which mentality.

this is clown shyt sorry, you sound like a fox news cac...
 

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I really think there are two kinds of mentalitys: the broke Nukka mentality and the boss. A broke nukka knows that he will never be the boss of anything, so he hates all bosses and anyone the owns anything that he doesn’t. People who think like this would like a 99% tax rate on the rich.

A boss either owns things, or expects to own things in the future, so the last thing that he wants to do is make it market in himself, when he arrives at his goal. People like this recognize the value of wealth, and that government shouldn’t be set up to prevent new wealth creation.

You can tell by the responses in here, who has which mentality.
Have you ever owned a bizz or been self employed ?.. having a mentality and actually doing something is 2 diff things
 

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I don't understand cac logic here

Perfect analogy for cac logic in most, if not all circumstances:

They'll allow you to punch them in the teeth if they can stab you in the neck in the process

Getting rid of this money will hurt them significantly more than any other group... but if it means they can hurt niggas, wetbacks, chinks, and any other minority group along the way then it's a win for them.
 

Tito_Jackson

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It's interesting that "so called" black men consider conversation about not solely dependening on the government and wanting to get out and work as "cac talk" and GOP talking points.
 

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It has an opt out provision in the law that allow states to do this from what I have been reading. This is probably the future of major legislative acts due to major demographic shifts. You can go from one state to another and it could be completely different, one may have Single Payer, Social Security, Federal Unemployment. The other state may not have these programs at all.

The people in Washington D.C. know what is best for your state, President Biden should impose these programs through force onto these states.
 
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