Prometheus.........
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Man I just seen this shit...Niggaz...man yall arguin bout the wrong shit. THe most hilarious and best part of this shit to me is when they woke up the engineer outta hy per sleep. Worth the price of admission. Shit had me dying son.
To them we must be like monkeys. So imagine if you wake up outta hypersleep, ship fucked up, crew dead and you surrounded by monkeys. Now all the monkeys is yellin and shit haaaaaaaa hooooo hooooo, arrrgggggggg, but one monkey can speak english. So you touch the english speakin monkey and realize that mufucka ain't even real. Now you realize the monkeys made a fake monkey that knows how to talk to you.
FUckin engineer like what the fuck kinda nightmare I done woke up in???
Nigga just start swattin these mufuckas like the insignigficant flies they are. Gottdamn dumb ass cracka flew all them light years tryin to cheat death to get bitch slapped into the afterlife by his maker. He thought that shit was gonna be one way....
But yeah the plot was all ova the place. THe dumbest shit EVER tho was the nigga just decidin to go kamikaze at the end. And then the white bitch open the door to let the giant alien out to kill the engineer...she don't get a fuckin scratch...don't get me started on the "operation"...bitch yanked a fuckin alien out her stomach...no internal organs fucked up...nothin...bitch stayed awake the whole time...ehhhh
But that engineer fuckin them up was the best shit to me. Gottdamn cracka can make all the movies he want about winnin against these aliens but when that shit go down fa real it's gon be a different story.
And since they borrowed so much from Sumerian ancient creation texts, if they stayed on point then the heiroglyphs would be found in Africa and the engineers would be black.
THIS MAN THIS!!!! I Totally AGREE!!!
yeah, so now I have my feelings sorted about this movie a bit better.
The TOPIC of the movie set it up to be epic. The director is known for epics.
The science especially for this time period could have made it epic. We're literally around the corner from this kind of setting if it's to happen at all.
I don't think you can have such a setup with so many easy loopholes.
We watch movies to become immersed, and it sucks when you have to suspend SO MUCH LOGIC.
People have already listed all the holes pretty much, and they were simply TOO EASY to avoid.
I simply don't get it how they fucked uo so much.
SOmeone else should tackle it, and I hope the whole alien creation thing should be explored in movies more and more.
I never cared for the ALien franchise anyway, but the Prometheus story is interesting and a classic storyline. Man vs his knowledge or lack of.
I'm not gonna go see a sequel along these lines.
The TOPIC of the movie set it up to be epic. The director is known for epics.
The science especially for this time period could have made it epic. We're literally around the corner from this kind of setting if it's to happen at all.
I don't think you can have such a setup with so many easy loopholes.
We watch movies to become immersed, and it sucks when you have to suspend SO MUCH LOGIC.
People have already listed all the holes pretty much, and they were simply TOO EASY to avoid.
I simply don't get it how they fucked uo so much.
SOmeone else should tackle it, and I hope the whole alien creation thing should be explored in movies more and more.
I never cared for the ALien franchise anyway, but the Prometheus story is interesting and a classic storyline. Man vs his knowledge or lack of.
I'm not gonna go see a sequel along these lines.
Man I just seen this shit...Niggaz...man yall arguin bout the wrong shit. THe most hilarious and best part of this shit to me is when they woke up the engineer outta hy per sleep. Worth the price of admission. Shit had me dying son.
To them we must be like monkeys. So imagine if you wake up outta hypersleep, ship fucked up, crew dead and you surrounded by monkeys. Now all the monkeys is yellin and shit haaaaaaaa hooooo hooooo, arrrgggggggg, but one monkey can speak english. So you touch the english speakin monkey and realize that mufucka ain't even real. Now you realize the monkeys made a fake monkey that knows how to talk to you.
FUckin engineer like what the fuck kinda nightmare I done woke up in???
Nigga just start swattin these mufuckas like the insignigficant flies they are. Gottdamn dumb ass cracka flew all them light years tryin to cheat death to get bitch slapped into the afterlife by his maker. He thought that shit was gonna be one way....
But yeah the plot was all ova the place. THe dumbest shit EVER tho was the nigga just decidin to go kamikaze at the end. And then the white bitch open the door to let the giant alien out to kill the engineer...she don't get a fuckin scratch...don't get me started on the "operation"...bitch yanked a fuckin alien out her stomach...no internal organs fucked up...nothin...bitch stayed awake the whole time...ehhhh
But that engineer fuckin them up was the best shit to me. Gottdamn cracka can make all the movies he want about winnin against these aliens but when that shit go down fa real it's gon be a different story.
And since they borrowed so much from Sumerian ancient creation texts, if they stayed on point then the heiroglyphs would be found in Africa and the engineers would be black.
Only thing about that is, these aint monkeys that he didn't CREATE.
I didnt understand how they needed a translator to talk to something that HE CREATED. He shoulda been able to understand THEM more than they understood HIM.
Man I just seen this shit...Niggaz...man yall arguin bout the wrong shit. THe most hilarious and best part of this shit to me is when they woke up the engineer outta hy per sleep. Worth the price of admission. Shit had me dying son.
To them we must be like monkeys. So imagine if you wake up outta hypersleep, ship fucked up, crew dead and you surrounded by monkeys. Now all the monkeys is yellin and shit haaaaaaaa hooooo hooooo, arrrgggggggg, but one monkey can speak english. So you touch the english speakin monkey and realize that mufucka ain't even real. Now you realize the monkeys made a fake monkey that knows how to talk to you.
FUckin engineer like what the fuck kinda nightmare I done woke up in???
Nigga just start swattin these mufuckas like the insignigficant flies they are. Gottdamn dumb ass cracka flew all them light years tryin to cheat death to get bitch slapped into the afterlife by his maker. He thought that shit was gonna be one way....
But yeah the plot was all ova the place. THe dumbest shit EVER tho was the nigga just decidin to go kamikaze at the end. And then the white bitch open the door to let the giant alien out to kill the engineer...she don't get a fuckin scratch...don't get me started on the "operation"...bitch yanked a fuckin alien out her stomach...no internal organs fucked up...nothin...bitch stayed awake the whole time...ehhhh
But that engineer fuckin them up was the best shit to me. Gottdamn cracka can make all the movies he want about winnin against these aliens but when that shit go down fa real it's gon be a different story.
And since they borrowed so much from Sumerian ancient creation texts, if they stayed on point then the heiroglyphs would be found in Africa and the engineers would be black.
yeah bt you can't have THAT detail...imagine the uproar.
Re: Prometheus fucking sucked
THESE^^^^ but hey, it was PRETTY
nobody questioning shaw as to why she's bloody & knocked out 2 members of the crew? forget about her abdomen being stapled and is up and running, you mean she forgot to tell the rest of the crew "hey guys i just gave birth to a fucking squid"?
so david was 'experimenting'? to what end? why would it make sense for the android to experiment with a substance that nobody has a clue about, with one of the key scientists trillions of miles from home?
It's weyland's money, mission, and ship, yet he pretends to be dead for a significant portion of the story
they're on a mission to an alien world to hopefully meet with alien creatures. yet as soon as they find alien bodies, (not living creatures, bodies) two of the scientists, turn pussy and want to leave. strangely though they get lost, even though the cavern is digitally mapped out, (the rest of them are not too concerned though) and when they do encounter a live alien life form, one of them tries to pet it, even though it seems obviously aggressive (which is something i would expect in a b horror flick).
traveling light years to a strange world to meet alien creatures, and money's no object? why not hire more than a few ex soldier mercs, hell why not outfit the ship with some heavy artillery?
the engineer's dna matches human 100% WTF??? and not one of those "scientists" question the accuracy of this? human beings do not match each other 100% (very close but not 100%) except for identical twins. so let me get this straight; an engineer "seeds" life on earth, the evolutionary process happens, and a billion or so years later humans come onto the scene, yet somehow we're 100% them?
sj wakes up, kills everyone in the room without saying hello, and shaw's brilliant plan is to go to their home planet by herself to do....?
but hey, maybe i have adhd and couldn't focus on the plot of the film
THESE^^^^ but hey, it was PRETTY
Re: Prometheus fucking sucked
get em Cenk!
get em Cenk!
I know I was like why u keep tryin to outrun that shit run to the side bitch!But Vikers didn't even get to die on screen, we just get her implied crushing due to her inability to run horizontal when big vertical ship is crashing down on you.
I loved the movie from start to finish! I guess if you didn't/can't follow it and thought it was stupid... says a lot about you! 
I knew I was gonna enjoy the movie, and my theory proved correct. When ever massive amounts of people say a movie was "stupid", "boring", "couldn't follow it"... I KNOW I'M GONNA LIKE IT! It made total sense to me from beginning to end! Gonna peep it again!
I knew I was gonna enjoy the movie, and my theory proved correct. When ever massive amounts of people say a movie was "stupid", "boring", "couldn't follow it"... I KNOW I'M GONNA LIKE IT! It made total sense to me from beginning to end! Gonna peep it again!
I loved the movie from start to finish! I guess if you didn't/can't follow it and thought it was stupid... says a lot about you!
I knew I was gonna enjoy the movie, and my theory proved correct. When ever massive amounts of people say a movie was "stupid", "boring", "couldn't follow it"... I KNOW I'M GONNA LIKE IT! It made total sense to me from beginning to end! Gonna peep it again!
You know that when you point at the people who criticize the flick and say it says a lot about YOU" instead of dealing with the points directly, it says more about you right?
I enjoyed the movie for what it was but it had some of the most implausible things you could imagine.
Characters were horribly written and just basically inconsistent. What makes it worse is that you have scientists who don't act like scientists. It would be better if they were just civilians who stumbled onto this and it wasn't the first mission, but scientists. Come on. Then you have characters in one scene doing the opposite in another scene. The geologist and biologist are prime examples. There is just really bad writing in the film, but the suspense is good. That is about it.
Characters were horribly written and just basically inconsistent. What makes it worse is that you have scientists who don't act like scientists. It would be better if they were just civilians who stumbled onto this and it wasn't the first mission, but scientists. Come on. Then you have characters in one scene doing the opposite in another scene. The geologist and biologist are prime examples. There is just really bad writing in the film, but the suspense is good. That is about it.
yall smokin' this shit was great
I loved the movie from start to finish! I guess if you didn't/can't follow it and thought it was stupid... says a lot about you!
I knew I was gonna enjoy the movie, and my theory proved correct. When ever massive amounts of people say a movie was "stupid", "boring", "couldn't follow it"... I KNOW I'M GONNA LIKE IT! It made total sense to me from beginning to end! Gonna peep it again!
so basically you psyched yourself up to like it no matter what, and instead of clarifying the plot-holes you launch an ad-hominem attack against the people who watched it
. People didn't say they didn't like it cuz it was boring, people didn't like it for the glaring logical inconsistencies and the stupid actions of the characters among other things. Obviously you didn't bother to read anything, yet we're unintelligent? na he's far too advanced to understand what you typed.
Just came from Prometheus finally. I am a huge sci-fi fan and even a bigger Alien and Aliens fan, prolly saw Aliens a good 30-40 times over the years.
Now as a sci-fi film it was ok, I always go see sci-fi movies at the theater anyways since we get so few good ones.
As a movie set in the Alien Universe I kinda enjoyed it but it could of been better.
A few points though;
- The old man, nobody ever said he was dead, himself in his video only implied that he would be dead by the time they arrived.
- His motivation is to extend his own life, once you are immensely rich, it is the only thing you can truly desire.
My understanding is that he funded the expedition just for that purpose, meet his creator and demand more life.
- David infected the doctor to see if the goo was capable of doing that life extension task under the orders of Weyland.
I was really bothered by the behaviors of those so-called scientists. Abandoning the expedition and nobody says shit, they launched the probes, yet still managed to get lost, everybody had the same radios and they never heard the recall because of the storm...
Would any sane person try to pet a King cobra??
Why would you do so on an alien planet???
That was plain stupid.
I hate the fact that movies nowadays are made with sequels in mind in advance, plus so many scenes removed for DVD extras, directors cuts and so on, the first look you get is often so truncated it kills the movie, bet you many things make more sense when you see the full version.
Now as a sci-fi film it was ok, I always go see sci-fi movies at the theater anyways since we get so few good ones.
As a movie set in the Alien Universe I kinda enjoyed it but it could of been better.
A few points though;
- The old man, nobody ever said he was dead, himself in his video only implied that he would be dead by the time they arrived.
- His motivation is to extend his own life, once you are immensely rich, it is the only thing you can truly desire.
My understanding is that he funded the expedition just for that purpose, meet his creator and demand more life.
- David infected the doctor to see if the goo was capable of doing that life extension task under the orders of Weyland.
I was really bothered by the behaviors of those so-called scientists. Abandoning the expedition and nobody says shit, they launched the probes, yet still managed to get lost, everybody had the same radios and they never heard the recall because of the storm...
Would any sane person try to pet a King cobra??
Why would you do so on an alien planet???
That was plain stupid.
I hate the fact that movies nowadays are made with sequels in mind in advance, plus so many scenes removed for DVD extras, directors cuts and so on, the first look you get is often so truncated it kills the movie, bet you many things make more sense when you see the full version.
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This and Charlize Theron getting the "Bugs Bunny running from a tree" treatment were amongst the dumbest parts of the movie.
Overall the movie felt rushed. Like they wanted to hurry up and get to the end but forgot to explain things along the way.
Re: Prometheus fucking sucked
They did answer the question, only it wasn't answered by the engineer, but by a human in relation to David - they created us simply because they can.
That's it. There's no big philosophical reason - and I completely understand why you CAN'T have one - because you'll never appease everyone. It'll create a divide and it won't be deep enough.
Also they never got the chance to ask David about the walls. The first time they're figuring something else out, then later when he's with them again in the structure he's going to meet the engineer.
They did answer the question, only it wasn't answered by the engineer, but by a human in relation to David - they created us simply because they can.
That's it. There's no big philosophical reason - and I completely understand why you CAN'T have one - because you'll never appease everyone. It'll create a divide and it won't be deep enough.
Also they never got the chance to ask David about the walls. The first time they're figuring something else out, then later when he's with them again in the structure he's going to meet the engineer.
And thats the nagging thing I just thought of..the whole "Its not a prequel its a whole other story set in the Alien Universe"
THATS BULLSHIT.. ITS A PREQUEL
why??? because its at the BEGINNING OF EVERYTHING! Its the Engineers, Its Weyland himself, its the birth of the precursor to the xenomorph. Its all the things that need to happen in order for Alien, Aliens, Alien 3 and Alien 4 to exist.
A story that just exists in the same universe yet has nothing to do with the events of any other movie would either just deal with the Space Jockeys/Engineers or involve a precursor group of xenomorphs and most definitely not in anyone from weyland corp or weyland/yutani.
So Prometheus IS a direct line prequel to Alien. If Alien is the father then Prometheus is the Great-great grand father.
THATS BULLSHIT.. ITS A PREQUEL
why??? because its at the BEGINNING OF EVERYTHING! Its the Engineers, Its Weyland himself, its the birth of the precursor to the xenomorph. Its all the things that need to happen in order for Alien, Aliens, Alien 3 and Alien 4 to exist.
A story that just exists in the same universe yet has nothing to do with the events of any other movie would either just deal with the Space Jockeys/Engineers or involve a precursor group of xenomorphs and most definitely not in anyone from weyland corp or weyland/yutani.
So Prometheus IS a direct line prequel to Alien. If Alien is the father then Prometheus is the Great-great grand father.
Man I just seen this shit...Niggaz...man yall arguin bout the wrong shit. THe most hilarious and best part of this shit to me is when they woke up the engineer outta hy per sleep. Worth the price of admission. Shit had me dying son.
To them we must be like monkeys. So imagine if you wake up outta hypersleep, ship fucked up, crew dead and you surrounded by monkeys. Now all the monkeys is yellin and shit haaaaaaaa hooooo hooooo, arrrgggggggg, but one monkey can speak english. So you touch the english speakin monkey and realize that mufucka ain't even real. Now you realize the monkeys made a fake monkey that knows how to talk to you.
FUckin engineer like what the fuck kinda nightmare I done woke up in???
Nigga just start swattin these mufuckas like the insignigficant flies they are. Gottdamn dumb ass cracka flew all them light years tryin to cheat death to get bitch slapped into the afterlife by his maker. He thought that shit was gonna be one way....
i probably was the only one in the theater laughing during that scene..that SJ was like
But Vikers didn't even get to die on screen, we just get her implied crushing due to her inability to run horizontal when big vertical ship is crashing down on you.
This shit got me crying.
Bitch went out like Daffy Duck or some shit.
That shit had me
For some niggas who just found out they're about to die they sure seemed casual about it
Stringer Bell saying goodbye to his 2 underdeveloped shipates was cringe worthy
And don't get me started on that niggas accent
You see how the one made up hieroglyph that they showed, was the oldest and was from the isle of skye in scotland.
Man I just seen this shit...Niggaz...man yall arguin bout the wrong shit. THe most hilarious and best part of this shit to me is when they woke up the engineer outta hy per sleep. Worth the price of admission. Shit had me dying son.
To them we must be like monkeys. So imagine if you wake up outta hypersleep, ship fucked up, crew dead and you surrounded by monkeys. Now all the monkeys is yellin and shit haaaaaaaa hooooo hooooo, arrrgggggggg, but one monkey can speak english. So you touch the english speakin monkey and realize that mufucka ain't even real. Now you realize the monkeys made a fake monkey that knows how to talk to you.
FUckin engineer like what the fuck kinda nightmare I done woke up in???
Nigga just start swattin these mufuckas like the insignigficant flies they are. Gottdamn dumb ass cracka flew all them light years tryin to cheat death to get bitch slapped into the afterlife by his maker. He thought that shit was gonna be one way....
But yeah the plot was all ova the place. THe dumbest shit EVER tho was the nigga just decidin to go kamikaze at the end. And then the white bitch open the door to let the giant alien out to kill the engineer...she don't get a fuckin scratch...don't get me started on the "operation"...bitch yanked a fuckin alien out her stomach...no internal organs fucked up...nothin...bitch stayed awake the whole time...ehhhh
But that engineer fuckin them up was the best shit to me. Gottdamn cracka can make all the movies he want about winnin against these aliens but when that shit go down fa real it's gon be a different story.
And since they borrowed so much from Sumerian ancient creation texts, if they stayed on point then the heiroglyphs would be found in Africa and the engineers would be black.
THIS!! ALL DAY!!!
I had to watch the shit twice to get it all together again. The plot holes are not as big as everyone thinks too. The whole flick was about beginnings and endings. The idea and the power of God.
HERE WE GO:
1. God is the alpha and the omega. We know that when God or the Gods were here - they revealed themselves as such.
2. The engineers are just that - engineers. All they do is test and experiment on life forms. They can create or destroy at will so to us they are God or Gods. The alpha.
3. The black goo was a biological weapon. If their experiment goes wrong or does something they dont like they unleash the goo and thats it. The omega.
4. The scientists were all good until they got in the shit. Once the realization of what they found hit them, they lost all sense of logic and reason. Some behaved irrational, others tried to keep cool. The alpha.
5. David did everything he thought was a move forward for the expedition. He thought himself above the humans he was supposed to be subserviant to and tested his god complex on them. The omega.
6. One thing is purpose. No one had any faith or belief except for Shaw and Weyland. Shaw and Weyland are the beginning and the end to the whole trip respectively.
7. The alpha - the micro organism in the black goo altered the maggot that became the snake that poisoned and killed the two scientists. The micro organism digested in Holloway altered his sperm. The sperm merged with her eggs are became the living uterus squid. The squid killed the engineer - The omega.
8. Another thing is motivation, Ridley is clearly showing what a team of people with their own seperate motivations produce. Nothing. They were not a team. Not gelled at all. No one had the others interest at heart. They didnt know each other, all from different corners of the globe, didnt like each other and cared for nothing but the money involved with the mission. This is a clear metaphor for humanity.
9. Stringer Bell - the captain - becomes the omega when as probably the dumbest person on the ship, he uses common sense to figure the whole fucking plot out. Simplicity at its best. Vickers - the hbic - was the alpha because she ran the whole shit and set everything into motion in the beginning. All her intelligence and logic meant nothing in the end when she couldnt even run the right way to escape death. See what Ridley did there?
10. Movie story is as simple as they come but because we expect more to be explained to us we overthink what the fuck we watched and it SEEMS to make no sense. No, it is NOT a prequel - the ships dont match, the timeline is off, the aliens dont match, the planets dont either and the xenomorph was born full sized as a HYBRID. It is the first of its kind - the alpha. Not the same xenomorph from the Alien films - the omega.
Because people are stupid, this flick wont see cult status until decades down the road. Like Blade Runner. I misunderstood what I watched the first time. The second time, I understood everything clearly.
oNE
I had to see the film again last week.
I was conflicted and pissed off the first time.
Especially with what I felt could have been done with Elizabeth Shaw's character.
She was in a perfect position to be the "Space Jockey" that sends the distress call the Nostromo picks up. And I felt the writers blew a perfect opportunity there.
The second time, I LOVED IT.
What went through my mind after the second time was not just the film's place in the "ALIEN" universe. But I also likened the story to Erich Van Daniken's "THE CHARIOTS OF THE GODS", and all those other theories during the 70s about man's progress being created and/or aided by alien intelligence. I used to dig reading that shit in the 70s when I was a kid.
The other thing is that though "PROMETHEUS" is said to be a prequel, I took the film more as a "spin-off" along the lines of what Darkhorse Comics has done with its licensing of the franchise. And how some of those stories have tied in to the movies.
Peeps old enough to remember how initially "BLADE RUNNER" was practically ripped apart by critics. The same also went for "2001: A SPACE ODYSSEY". Now both films are seen as "CLASSICS". Also keep in mind that many critics felt both films were pretty to look at, but lacked substance, with silly premises that made no sense.
They same will be said of "PROMETHEUS" within a decade.
I was going to do another IMAX/3D run on it tomorrow.
But I'm just going to wait for the Blu-Ray in October.
I was conflicted and pissed off the first time.
Especially with what I felt could have been done with Elizabeth Shaw's character.
She was in a perfect position to be the "Space Jockey" that sends the distress call the Nostromo picks up. And I felt the writers blew a perfect opportunity there.
The second time, I LOVED IT.
What went through my mind after the second time was not just the film's place in the "ALIEN" universe. But I also likened the story to Erich Van Daniken's "THE CHARIOTS OF THE GODS", and all those other theories during the 70s about man's progress being created and/or aided by alien intelligence. I used to dig reading that shit in the 70s when I was a kid.
The other thing is that though "PROMETHEUS" is said to be a prequel, I took the film more as a "spin-off" along the lines of what Darkhorse Comics has done with its licensing of the franchise. And how some of those stories have tied in to the movies.
Peeps old enough to remember how initially "BLADE RUNNER" was practically ripped apart by critics. The same also went for "2001: A SPACE ODYSSEY". Now both films are seen as "CLASSICS". Also keep in mind that many critics felt both films were pretty to look at, but lacked substance, with silly premises that made no sense.
They same will be said of "PROMETHEUS" within a decade.
I was going to do another IMAX/3D run on it tomorrow.
But I'm just going to wait for the Blu-Ray in October.
THIS!! ALL DAY!!!
I had to watch the shit twice to get it all together again. The plot holes are not as big as everyone thinks too. The whole flick was about beginnings and endings. The idea and the power of God.
HERE WE GO:
1. God is the alpha and the omega. We know that when God or the Gods were here - they revealed themselves as such.
2. The engineers are just that - engineers. All they do is test and experiment on life forms. They can create or destroy at will so to us they are God or Gods. The alpha.
3. The black goo was a biological weapon. If their experiment goes wrong or does something they dont like they unleash the goo and thats it. The omega.
4. The scientists were all good until they got in the shit. Once the realization of what they found hit them, they lost all sense of logic and reason. Some behaved irrational, others tried to keep cool. The alpha.
5. David did everything he thought was a move forward for the expedition. He thought himself above the humans he was supposed to be subserviant to and tested his god complex on them. The omega.
6. One thing is purpose. No one had any faith or belief except for Shaw and Weyland. Shaw and Weyland are the beginning and the end to the whole trip respectively.
7. The alpha - the micro organism in the black goo altered the maggot that became the snake that poisoned and killed the two scientists. The micro organism digested in Holloway altered his sperm. The sperm merged with her eggs are became the living uterus squid. The squid killed the engineer - The omega.
8. Another thing is motivation, Ridley is clearly showing what a team of people with their own seperate motivations produce. Nothing. They were not a team. Not gelled at all. No one had the others interest at heart. They didnt know each other, all from different corners of the globe, didnt like each other and cared for nothing but the money involved with the mission. This is a clear metaphor for humanity.
9. Stringer Bell - the captain - becomes the omega when as probably the dumbest person on the ship, he uses common sense to figure the whole fucking plot out. Simplicity at its best. Vickers - the hbic - was the alpha because she ran the whole shit and set everything into motion in the beginning. All her intelligence and logic meant nothing in the end when she couldnt even run the right way to escape death. See what Ridley did there?
10. Movie story is as simple as they come but because we expect more to be explained to us we overthink what the fuck we watched and it SEEMS to make no sense. No, it is NOT a prequel - the ships dont match, the timeline is off, the aliens dont match, the planets dont either and the xenomorph was born full sized as a HYBRID. It is the first of its kind - the alpha. Not the same xenomorph from the Alien films - the omega.
Because people are stupid, this flick wont see cult status until decades down the road. Like Blade Runner. I misunderstood what I watched the first time. The second time, I understood everything clearly.
oNE
I don't think anyone is disputing the themes and metaphors of the story if anything its those things that give a film replay power. What people have an issue with are the plotholes and characterizations that go nowhere.
Is vickers an android or is she really weylands daughter...doesn't matter because they both die..so why even bring it up.
Why didn't anyone beyond david respond to shaws pregnancy or surgery..hell she did the attempted abortion in vickers quarters and vickers never mentions that there is a giant squid monster in her quarters? I could imagine a black woman playing vickers walking into her suite and saying "WHO THE HELL LEFT THIS THING IN HERE AND WHY DIDN'T YOU CLEAN UP AFTER YOURSELF??"
The two lost scientist inexplicably approach the snake creature after explicitly stating that theyre scared and want no part of the expedition.
As someone stated earlier the kamikaze scene was more awkward and out of left field than a plothole.
peoples issues and complaints are more about story structural than thematic.
Both fam. Thank you.
Im in the same boat with Har125lem. I walked outta that theatre pissed the fuck off. Wifey didnt know why, I think she got it all the first time but shes smarter than I am.
I read that fake script too and as close as it was to source, it missed the whole mark. Now I know we all did. Still not a perfect film but I connected all the dots better the 2nd time and it is damn good.
Geech, I know you know your shit so Im as surprised as you are to find myself defending this flick. I was a naysayer all moth until I seen again. Wait until it hits blu ray - this whole shit is gonna start all over again. Ridley is just praying he doesnt have a Phantom Menace on his hand.
oNE
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THIS!! ALL DAY!!!
I had to watch the shit twice to get it all together again. The plot holes are not as big as everyone thinks too. The whole flick was about beginnings and endings. The idea and the power of God.
HERE WE GO:
1. God is the alpha and the omega. We know that when God or the Gods were here - they revealed themselves as such.
2. The engineers are just that - engineers. All they do is test and experiment on life forms. They can create or destroy at will so to us they are God or Gods. The alpha.
3. The black goo was a biological weapon. If their experiment goes wrong or does something they dont like they unleash the goo and thats it. The omega.
4. The scientists were all good until they got in the shit. Once the realization of what they found hit them, they lost all sense of logic and reason. Some behaved irrational, others tried to keep cool. The alpha.
5. David did everything he thought was a move forward for the expedition. He thought himself above the humans he was supposed to be subserviant to and tested his god complex on them. The omega.
6. One thing is purpose. No one had any faith or belief except for Shaw and Weyland. Shaw and Weyland are the beginning and the end to the whole trip respectively.
7. The alpha - the micro organism in the black goo altered the maggot that became the snake that poisoned and killed the two scientists. The micro organism digested in Holloway altered his sperm. The sperm merged with her eggs are became the living uterus squid. The squid killed the engineer - The omega.
8. Another thing is motivation, Ridley is clearly showing what a team of people with their own seperate motivations produce. Nothing. They were not a team. Not gelled at all. No one had the others interest at heart. They didnt know each other, all from different corners of the globe, didnt like each other and cared for nothing but the money involved with the mission. This is a clear metaphor for humanity.
9. Stringer Bell - the captain - becomes the omega when as probably the dumbest person on the ship, he uses common sense to figure the whole fucking plot out. Simplicity at its best. Vickers - the hbic - was the alpha because she ran the whole shit and set everything into motion in the beginning. All her intelligence and logic meant nothing in the end when she couldnt even run the right way to escape death. See what Ridley did there?
10. Movie story is as simple as they come but because we expect more to be explained to us we overthink what the fuck we watched and it SEEMS to make no sense. No, it is NOT a prequel - the ships dont match, the timeline is off, the aliens dont match, the planets dont either and the xenomorph was born full sized as a HYBRID. It is the first of its kind - the alpha. Not the same xenomorph from the Alien films - the omega.
Because people are stupid, this flick wont see cult status until decades down the road. Like Blade Runner. I misunderstood what I watched the first time. The second time, I understood everything clearly.
oNE
No, the movie was just silly. Plus David didn't do shit out of his own free will, he was Weyland's puppet. All of these interpretations are just that, interpretations...the kind of interpretations that lead people to think they know the conclusion when they really don't until Ridley & co. bank on their sequel they obviously have had planned for us to wait and actually get some answers of all these holes left from this film.
I can live with the themes, even though they could've been more original. But ALL those damn discrepancies and plot holes had me leaving the theatre like . . .
JG
Both fam. Thank you.
Im in the same boat with Har125lem. I walked outta that theatre pissed the fuck off. Wifey didnt know why, I think she got it all the first time but shes smarter than I am.
I read that fake script too and as close as it was to source, it missed the whole mark. Now I know we all did. Still not a perfect film but I connected all the dots better the 2nd time and it is damn good.
Geech, I know you know your shit so Im as surprised as you are to find myself defending this flick. I was a naysayer all moth until I seen again. Wait until it hits blu ray - this whole shit is gonna start all over again. Ridley is just praying he doesnt have a Phantom Menace on his hand.
oNE
The other I would dispute is that it is a prequel...why...because without this movie you don't have the other films. Going by the alpha/omega theme its the beginning of everything...its weyland and the engineers and the precursor to the human strain of the xenomorph (i say human strain because we saw a very familiar looking alien glyph on the wall of the complex)..you need all those elements in order to have Alien, Aliens etc.
If they wanted to make a story in the universe but outside of the series then she shouldn't have had the alien in it at all nor weyland or weyland corp.
I liked te movie but damn now I gotta read thru 7 pages of this I never was into the Alien series but I did see bits and pieces of the original joint like the infamous dinner scene and the double-crossing humanoid robot "bleeding" milk...so there were some parts of Prometheus that reminded me of Alien...also the ending does it tie the movie to the Alien series? The monster she gave birth to @ the end looked like on of those things...anyway decent flick...enjoyed it visually + storywise
I never was into the Alien series but I did see bits and pieces of the original joint like the infamous dinner scene and the double-crossing humanoid robot "bleeding" milk...so there were some parts of Prometheus that reminded me of Alien...also the ending does it tie the movie to the Alien series? The monster she gave birth to @ the end looked like on of those things...anyway decent flick...enjoyed it visually + storywise
I won't spoil anything, but I will say save your fucking money. That movie was boring as fuck and made no sense!!
It's one thing to say it was boring but to say it made no sense indicates you simply weren't paying attention and didn't or possibly couldn't follow along...the plot wasn't even really complicated...I'm guessing you're just trolling w/ the latter statement
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