Pacquiao prepares for 'no' from Mayweather Jr.

As your hero Mayweather would say, "evidence, what evidence?" or "negotiations, what negotiations?":lol::lol:

My "hero"? I know you believe everyone is a juvenile so that you can relate to them but I don't make "heroes" out of pro athletes.
You're boring me, Zef.

Man Oscar is fuming over how he got his ass kicked. He blamed his loss on roofs when pbf wanted to fight manny.

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Never met Oscar but he has never shown himself to be the type of guy to let silly shit interfere with getting money. Never thought much of him as a boxer (he was good, don't get me wrong) but he's one of the smartest, most savvy guys in pro sports. You probably think more about his loss to Pacquiao than he does.
He sits with, does business with, and hangs around one guy that knocked him out and another who beat him once and cheated him in the rematch.

This fight lost its luster for me months ago. That's why I don't even feed into any of the details of the negotiations, get into the he said she said or try to speculate about who's lying and what goes on behind closed doors. I'll pay attention when the fight is actually made. All the rest with guys here going back and forth saying their opinion is better than the other, and "oh, I'm more of an adult than you, blah, blah" when no one knows what the fuck is actually is going on is just a total waste of time.
And yet, here you are, again and again, with post after post of you telling us how you feel about the Mayweathers.
Must have a lot of time to waste.
No shame, me too.

I love the fact that after Mayweather's fans defend him to the death and give him the benefit of the doubt, he pops out and gives a middle finger to everyone.:lol::lol:Hilarious. Only Mayweather knows if and when he will fight and giving so much of a fuck about it is unbecoming of a true boxing fan when there are so many other great fights to be made. Some guys on here actually think if Mayweather and Pac retire the sport will go into some kind of dark ages, amazing.


Name one. Don't just make blanket statements. Put names to them.
I think the people that run boxing (the promoters, HBO, Showtime) are doing so-so at making the next stars behind these two and there's no one even close to pull their numbers but boxing will be fine. We'll just be rid of a lot of the casual fans that clutter up conversation.
 
People sleep on the whole southpaw factor with fighters but Floyd Sr knows what's up. Peep his response in that recent interview when they asked him about Jr vs Sergio Martinez. The first thing he said was he wasn't sure Jr would win simply because Martinez is a southpaw. Sr knows that Pac is the worst kind of lefty to fight and win or lose it would not be an easy fight for either fighter or a guaranteed win for either.

Is this the same Sr that was worried about Diego Corrales? Who thought Oscar was going to win their fight? Floyd Sr has been the more cautious of the family the whole time.
I'd be surprised if Floyd beat Martinez, less because of his being a southpaw but because of the size difference. Martinez would have at least 10 lbs on him and combine that with his stance, he'd be a tough fight. But who expects welters to beat middleweights away?
 
Kevin Iole's column on Arum, Top Rank and the Mayweather-Pacquiao fiasco.





The most significant news to come out of Bob Arum’s bizarre 3-in-the-morning conference call on Saturday, that essentially announced nothing, was when Arum confirmed what many in the boxing industry suspected was already occurring: As best he can, he’s going to keep all of his fights in-house.

That means he isn’t going to match Manny Pacquiao, his star attraction, against Timothy Bradley, who is promoted by Gary Shaw Productions, or Paul Williams, who is with Goossen Tutor Promotions. Both are ranked in the pound-for-pound Top 10 and have combined to win 65 of the 66 professional matches they have fought.

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No matter, though, Arum said in his middle-of-the-night conference call to report nothing. There will be, he insisted, “no free rides” for other promoters. If Pacquiao fights someone not promoted by Top Rank, the promotional company Arum founded nearly a half-century ago, it will only be Floyd Mayweather Jr.

That’s mighty big of him.

He’ll co-promote in the one fight in which he’ll make tens of millions of dollars, but that’s where he’ll draw the line. He’s not going to share the bounty with the likes of Shaw, Dan Goossen, or Lou DiBella by making fights the public – his customers – might want to see.

“We spend hundreds of thousands of dollars building up our fighters and publicizing them so they are pay-per-view attractions, losing money a lot of events [in the process],” Arum said. “The other promoters don’t really promote their fighters. They take money from HBO or Showtime or a little Indian casino and they think they’re doing the kid a big service. I’m not going to give them a free ride on the work we have done.

“Paul Williams is a tremendous fighter, a great fighter. But he hasn’t been promoted correctly. He doesn’t have any following, can’t sell any tickets. Nobody is financing the pay-per-view fight. On an HBO fight, HBO pays the money. I’m the one that’s financing the pay-per-view and I don’t want to give anyone a free ride.”

It’s true that, by a long margin, Top Rank is the best promoter in boxing. Arum can make a big event out of rubble better than anyone.

Top Rank’s website, which only recently was a cluttered, disastrous mess, is sharp and modern and takes advantage of the latest Internet technology. Inspired by the success of the Ultimate Fighting Championship, Top Rank president Todd duBoef has made a point to enhance the in-house fan experience at his live events and that is markedly better now than it was 18 months ago.


Boxer Antonio Margarito hasn't done much to deserve a shot at Manny Pacquiao. But that's what promoter Bob Arum might give fight fans.

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Top Rank has developed strong international television partnerships, which provide its fighters with greater exposure and generates more income. Ultimately, that leads to higher purses for its boxers.

All of that is laudable, but it’s growing Top Rank, not the business of boxing, and that’s the problem with Top Rank’s stance.

Keeping the fights in-house is always better for Top Rank, because Arum will keep all the profits and will have the winner no matter what. Since Antonio Margarito and Miguel Cotto are both promoted by Top Rank and are the two men under consideration to be Pacquiao’s Nov. 13 opponent in the likely event there is no Mayweather-Pacquiao bout, Arum is in a no-lose situation.

He’ll earn millions from the promotion and, in the off-chance there is an upset, will make substantially more for the rematch. And while a Pacquiao loss to either Cotto or Margarito wouldn’t outright kill a fight with Mayweather, it would make it exponentially harder to make and certainly would remove much of the luster for it.

Goossen, who once worked as a vice president for Top Rank and has been frequently critical of his one-time boss since leaving more than a decade ago to form his own promotional outlet, said Arum’s modus operandi has long been to try to control both sides of the equation.

“When Bob was inducted into the Hall of Fame, he did an interview and he talked about regretting what he had done to boxing, and how he and another promoter [Don King] had failed to make fights that the people wanted to see,” Goossen said. “But he’s doing the same thing now. He knows he has both sides if he goes with Margarito or Cotto and he knows neither of them have leverage to squeeze him for more money.

“If he goes with Cotto, Cotto is going to be happier than hell to get the fight and he’ll make a hell of a lot more than he did for fighting Yuri Foreman. Margarito, how is he going to ask for more money? He’s not in a strong position and he’ll take pretty much what Arum tells him to take. Then, Bob has both sides and he can’t lose.”

Boxing fans, though, can lose, particularly if a Mayweather-Pacquiao fight doesn’t happen. And you can forget about three million pay-per-view sales and $60 million purses if Pacquiao, Mayweather, or both, lose before they eventually meet.

What makes it astounding that Arum is going ahead with plans to make either a Pacquiao-Margarito fight or Pacquiao-Cotto II is that there is no demand for either bout. Pacquiao destroyed Cotto in November, stopping him in the 12th round of their fight at the MGM Grand Garden in Las Vegas. It’s hard to see how things would change in a rematch.

Margarito was decimated by Shane Mosley on Jan. 24, 2009, the night he was caught trying to load his gloves. At a hearing the following month, he was suspended for a year by the California State Athletic Commission.

After being dominated by Mosley – who was subsequently dominated by Mayweather – Margarito has fought one time. It was a decidedly less-than-inspiring performance against Roberto Garcia on May 8 in Aguascalientes, Mexico.

Even if he looked like the next coming of Sugar Ray Robinson, however, Margarito doesn’t deserve to fight Pacquiao given the hand wrap situation and his own poor performance.

Margarito should be licensed in the U.S. and allowed to fight, even though he was given a ridiculously light penalty for the heinous offense he committed, but that doesn’t mean that Arum has to use him, particularly in such a high-profile event.

Arum’s deadline for Mayweather on Friday was patently ridiculous because, even if Mayweather wanted to fight Pacquiao on Nov. 13, his personality is such that he is not going to abide by anyone else’s deadlines.

He’s going to fight when he’s good and ready and he’ll announce it on his terms, not Arum’s.

Of course, Mayweather could be classy and make a statement about his intentions to the fans who have made him rich beyond his wildest imagination, but he continues to choose not to do that. Speaking to Associated Press reporter Tim Reynolds at a charity basketball game Sunday in Miami, Mayweather declined to discuss boxing. He was willing to talk about basketball, but who cares what he thinks about basketball? On the topic of a Pacquiao fight, he was maddeningly mum.

“I’m not really thinking about boxing right now,” Mayweather told Reynolds. “I’m just relaxing. I fought about 60 days ago, so I’m just enjoying myself, enjoying life, enjoying my family and enjoying my vacation.”


Floyd Mayweather hangs out with NBA star Dwyane Wade on Sunday in Miami at the Summer Groove All-Star Basketball Game. Money declined to talk boxing with a reporter.

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He owes his fans, and the sport, far better than that. He didn’t have to be definitive, but he could have said whether or not he wants to fight Pacquiao and give at least some sense of when he plans to get back into the ring.

Still, Arum knew long before the deadline countdown clock was placed on Top Rank’s website last week that there was no chance of a Mayweather response. And, despite his words, Arum was fine with that.

Arum would rather not put up with Mayweather or his advisers, whom he dislikes intensely. Whatever efforts he’s expended to get the fight made are because he knows how badly the public wants it and, more significantly, because of the enormous amount of money there is to be made.

A Pacquiao-Williams fight, or a Pacquiao-Bradley fight, wouldn’t be remotely as big. There is intrigue in those fights, though, that doesn’t exist in either Pacquiao-Margarito or Pacquiao-Cotto II.

There aren’t a lot of great options for Pacquiao if Mayweather doesn’t fight him, and vice versa.

Making an honest effort to make the best fights, regardless of who promotes them, is all that Arum’s many loyal, paying customers ask. That goes for all fights, not just Mayweather-Pacquiao.

Keeping everything in-house is better in the short term, but it doesn’t help grow the sport.

Arum’s overriding concern shouldn’t be about what is best for Top Rank, but rather what’s best for his customers and what’s best for boxing.

The healthier boxing gets, the better Top Rank will do. The UFC has a closed-door promotional policy, but mixed martial arts a relatively new sport that was created that way from the ground up. Boxing operates dramatically differently and there’s no changing it now.

In boxing, opening the doors, not closing them, is the best way to improve the sport’s health.

A healthier, more financially robust sport will benefit all.
 
No matter, though, Arum said in his middle-of-the-night conference call to report nothing. There will be, he insisted, “no free rides” for other promoters. If Pacquiao fights someone not promoted by Top Rank, the promotional company Arum founded nearly a half-century ago, it will only be Floyd Mayweather Jr.

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This is why I laugh at people who say people run from Top Rank fighters. People claim that Floyd ran from Cotto and bum-ass Margarito yet Floyd put a higher offer on the table than Arum had to fight BOTH Margarito and Cotto and Arum killed the deals. At that point, those were his two top fighters and he didnt want Floyd to kill his cash cows.

We will find out what is happening soon enough, but there is a lot of bad history between Arum and Floyd and Arum is shady.
 
This is why I laugh at people who say people run from Top Rank fighters. People claim that Floyd ran from Cotto and bum-ass Margarito yet Floyd put a higher offer on the table than Arum had to fight BOTH Margarito and Cotto and Arum killed the deals. At that point, those were his two top fighters and he didnt want Floyd to kill his cash cows.

We will find out what is happening soon enough, but there is a lot of bad history between Arum and Floyd and Arum is shady.


Dude
You know the popular myth is Floyd was ducking Cotto and Margarito. Since so many people say it, it must be true.

Arum is a lying sack of pus but is Schaefer lying? And Greenburg? And Oscar? I know Haymon doesn't do much public speaking but he's the one guy who knows exactly what's happened.
 
Arum is a lying sack of pus but is Schaefer lying? And Greenburg? And Oscar? I know Haymon doesn't do much public speaking but he's the one guy who knows exactly what's happened.

We will find out soon enough. I think this is ALL about the money (greed) and ego. This is all a big game of chicken over who will get a larger share of the revenue from this super-fight....even if it is an extra 1 or 2 percent. That is enough to kill a deal when you have individuals that really would prefer not to deal with each other in the first place.

Despite how large the purse, I dont think Floyd is going to go for a 50-50 split when you look at the fact that with their shared opponents, ALL of Floyds fights outsold Pacman and then when you look at the numbers from their last fights, it wasnt even close.

Also, we know that Arum doesnt need to wait on Floyd because he is going to make major bank either way by matching Pac with another Top Rank fighter.

I actually wouldnt be surprised if this fight doesnt happen.
 
My "hero"? I know you believe everyone is a juvenile so that you can relate to them but I don't make "heroes" out of pro athletes.
You're boring me, Zef.



Never met Oscar but he has never shown himself to be the type of guy to let silly shit interfere with getting money. Never thought much of him as a boxer (he was good, don't get me wrong) but he's one of the smartest, most savvy guys in pro sports. You probably think more about his loss to Pacquiao than he does.
He sits with, does business with, and hangs around one guy that knocked him out and another who beat him once and cheated him in the rematch.


And yet, here you are, again and again, with post after post of you telling us how you feel about the Mayweathers.
Must have a lot of time to waste.
No shame, me too.




Name one. Don't just make blanket statements. Put names to them.
I think the people that run boxing (the promoters, HBO, Showtime) are doing so-so at making the next stars behind these two and there's no one even close to pull their numbers but boxing will be fine. We'll just be rid of a lot of the casual fans that clutter up conversation.

I don't have to do anything you want me to do. Who do you think you are, Mayweather?:lol:
 
Dude
You know the popular myth is Floyd was ducking Cotto and Margarito. Since so many people say it, it must be true.

Arum is a lying sack of pus but is Schaefer lying? And Greenburg? And Oscar? I know Haymon doesn't do much public speaking but he's the one guy who knows exactly what's happened.

Hopefully you'll be able to get down to the bottom of this and one day be able to sleep peacefully at night.:lol:
 
Is this the same Sr that was worried about Diego Corrales? Who thought Oscar was going to win their fight? Floyd Sr has been the more cautious of the family the whole time.
I'd be surprised if Floyd beat Martinez, less because of his being a southpaw but because of the size difference. Martinez would have at least 10 lbs on him and combine that with his stance, he'd be a tough fight. But who expects welters to beat middleweights away?

All of what you're spewing is speculation and what ifs as usual. I'm kicking facts to you point blank. They asked Floyd Sr about Martinez and the first thing out of his mouth was that the southpaw style would complicate things, not any of that other stuff you're talking about. The Mayweathers are always talking about size doesn't matter and skills pay the bills so I wasn't surprised about the size of Martinez apparently not being the most immediate factor per May Sr's reaction to the question.
 
This is why I laugh at people who say people run from Top Rank fighters. People claim that Floyd ran from Cotto and bum-ass Margarito yet Floyd put a higher offer on the table than Arum had to fight BOTH Margarito and Cotto and Arum killed the deals. At that point, those were his two top fighters and he didnt want Floyd to kill his cash cows.

We will find out what is happening soon enough, but there is a lot of bad history between Arum and Floyd and Arum is shady.

Dude
You know the popular myth is Floyd was ducking Cotto and Margarito. Since so many people say it, it must be true.

Arum is a lying sack of pus but is Schaefer lying? And Greenburg? And Oscar? I know Haymon doesn't do much public speaking but he's the one guy who knows exactly what's happened.

I posted an old article regarding that bullshit in a thread on the main board last night.

http://www.doghouseboxing.com/DHB/Chip091609.htm It's from 2009 but it's a good read about the details most people never heard about.
 
All of what you're spewing is speculation and what ifs as usual. I'm kicking facts to you point blank. They asked Floyd Sr about Martinez and the first thing out of his mouth was that the southpaw style would complicate things, not any of that other stuff you're talking about. The Mayweathers are always talking about size doesn't matter and skills pay the bills so I wasn't surprised about the size of Martinez apparently not being the most immediate factor per May Sr's reaction to the question.

So I'm speculating that Sr was concerned about Corrales and picked Oscar? Is it speculation that Floyd Jr. has beaten southpaws handily in the past?

I see you enjoy the hamster-wheel game and I don't, so unless you add something, I can't see where else you and I go. I already know how sensitive you can be and I don't want to be dragged into another circlejerk with you.
 
That's the way intelligent adults process information.

Even some idiots process it that way.

I hope fight still gets made. At this time the only conclusion I can come up with is that Floyd made a demand up front and basically stated that he wasn't moving from that point. Arum kept sending counter offers and then when he got tired of getting denied he created this deadline bullshit. Now both side are waiting for the other to cave.

I honestly think Manny wants Floyd instead of this Cotto/Margarito bullshit so he will cave. While Floyd doesn't give a fuck.
 
So I'm speculating that Sr was concerned about Corrales and picked Oscar? Is it speculation that Floyd Jr. has beaten southpaws handily in the past?

I see you enjoy the hamster-wheel game and I don't, so unless you add something, I can't see where else you and I go. I already know how sensitive you can be and I don't want to be dragged into another circlejerk with you.

Other than Zab, he hasn't fought any quality southpaws(Corley was not quality and Sharmba was way past his best) and at junior lightweight/lightweight(where he gets the most props for his work by his fans) he ducked the linear champion who was Casamayor. Funny that he fought and beat the other 3 champs at those weights but bypassed the best. The most technical boxer in the division who just happened to be a southpaw. Not trying to debate, just playing devil's advocate. Casamayor at that time was in his prime. But I'm sure it was somehow Bob Arum's fault too.:D

I ask because I just came from a Floyd suckfest where they all agreed that Mayweather would shut out Casamyayor and would've won easily without even getting up from his stool.:lol::smh: Had they fought around '99-'00, I'd see it as a pick'em fight.
 
People sleep on the whole southpaw factor with fighters but Floyd Sr knows what's up. Peep his response in that recent interview when they asked him about Jr vs Sergio Martinez. The first thing he said was he wasn't sure Jr would win simply because Martinez is a southpaw. Sr knows that Pac is the worst kind of lefty to fight and win or lose it would not be an easy fight for either fighter or a guaranteed win for either.

You keep going with that worst kind of lefty nonsense as if Pacman has any sort of defense whatsoever for Floyd. Like I said before, Clottey busted Pacman up and he barely fought back. You are making the same exact mistake everyone makes when they go against Floyd. They look at why that fighter might cause Floyd trouble and they willingly ignore all the problems Floyd presents.
 
You keep going with that worst kind of lefty nonsense as if Pacman has any sort of defense whatsoever for Floyd. Like I said before, Clottey busted Pacman up and he barely fought back. You are making the same exact mistake everyone makes when they go against Floyd. They look at why that fighter might cause Floyd trouble and they willingly ignore all the problems Floyd presents.

What does Clottey have to do with how Floyd fights lefties? Also, you haven't seen me state that Pac will destroy or even beat Floyd. My whole point is it will not be some walk in the park for Floyd and that he may be thrown off and less effective against an unorthodox powerpunching southpaw like Pac. I can't believe that analysis is so offending. It's like to even mention a possibility of Mayweather having a weakness is blasphemy or something.
 
You keep going with that worst kind of lefty nonsense as if Pacman has any sort of defense whatsoever for Floyd. Like I said before, Clottey busted Pacman up and he barely fought back. You are making the same exact mistake everyone makes when they go against Floyd. They look at why that fighter might cause Floyd trouble and they willingly ignore all the problems Floyd presents.

People keep mentioning how Clottey was able to hit Manny, well, fortunately for the boxing fan, Manny is not or has he ever claimed to be a defensive specialist. When you are an all offensive fighter, you are going to get hit. Dude's M.O. is whipping ass, so he obviously is going to take some return fire from time to time. As gifted as he is, I am more likely to drop a few on a plane ticket, hotel room, and fight ticket to go see a Manny fight then a Floyd fight anyday... :D
 
So I'm speculating that Sr was concerned about Corrales and picked Oscar? Is it speculation that Floyd Jr. has beaten southpaws handily in the past?

I see you enjoy the hamster-wheel game and I don't, so unless you add something, I can't see where else you and I go. I already know how sensitive you can be and I don't want to be dragged into another circlejerk with you.

I don't care if Floyd beat any southpaws in the past. All I'm saying is Floyd Sr seemed mored caught up with Sergio Martinez's southpaw style causing a potential loss for Mayweather rather than his size advantage. You start talking all this stuff about Corrales, Oscar, and other irrelevant stuff. Then of course, you get all defensive with the "has Floyd jr beaten southpaws" stuff. Talk about sensitive. I never said Floyd Jr can't beat southpaws. He can beat southpaws, okay. Hope that makes you feel better. I would never ever say Floyd can't beat a southpaw. There, there now.
 
People keep mentioning how Clottey was able to hit Manny, well, fortunately for the boxing fan, Manny is not or has he ever claimed to be a defensive specialist. When you are an all offensive fighter, you are going to get hit. Dude's M.O. is whipping ass, so he obviously is going to take some return fire from time to time. As gifted as he is, I am more likely to drop a few on a plane ticket, hotel room, and fight ticket to go see a Manny fight then a Floyd fight anyday... :D

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Other than Zab, he hasn't fought any quality southpaws(Corley was not quality and Sharmba was way past his best) and at junior lightweight/lightweight(where he gets the most props for his work by his fans) he ducked the linear champion who was Casamayor. Funny that he fought and beat the other 3 champs at those weights but bypassed the best. The most technical boxer in the division who just happened to be a southpaw. Not trying to debate, just playing devil's advocate. Casamayor at that time was in his prime. But I'm sure it was somehow Bob Arum's fault too.:D

I ask because I just came from a Floyd suckfest where they all agreed that Mayweather would shut out Casamyayor and would've won easily without even getting up from his stool.:lol::smh: Had they fought around '99-'00, I'd see it as a pick'em fight.

That would have been a pick'em.

I'm not even trying to dispute that a southpaw of Casamayor's quality would have caused him trouble and given him hell. I do dispute that, at this stage of the game, southpaws are the chink in his armor.


At welter, I'd prefer a Mayweather fight. Since moving up, Pacquiao's fight quality has decreased, tremendously (to me). I think the Cotto fight is one of the most overrated fights in the last 5 years and the Clottey fight was dull as dishwater.
 
This argument is getting silly. I remember over a year ago, I was damn near the only person saying that Pac v Mayweather would be Floyd's toughest fight and almost everybody was on that Floyd needs to fight a real welter shit, preferably Shane because Manny is to small. I told niggas if Floyd beat Shane like eventually did the argument would be that Shane was too old. About a month before the fight people started to say Shane's old.

Now niggas are in here arguing almost every point I made back then, and if the fight happens watch the Manny is too small shit come back.:hmm:
 
This argument is getting silly. I remember over a year ago, I was damn near the only person saying that Pac v Mayweather would be Floyd's toughest fight and almost everybody was on that Floyd needs to fight a real welter shit, preferably Shane because Manny is to small. I told niggas if Floyd beat Shane like eventually did the argument would be that Shane was too old. About a month before the fight people started to say Shane's old.

Now niggas are in here arguing almost every point I made back then, and if the fight happens watch the Manny is too small shit come back.:hmm:

I remember preferring to see him fight Shane at the time. That fight's come and gone and Manny's now a full time welter. But I see less chances of this fight happening and I want to know who Floyd may fight next.
 
That would have been a pick'em.

I'm not even trying to dispute that a southpaw of Casamayor's quality would have caused him trouble and given him hell. I do dispute that, at this stage of the game, southpaws are the chink in his armor.



At welter, I'd prefer a Mayweather fight. Since moving up, Pacquiao's fight quality has decreased, tremendously (to me). I think the Cotto fight is one of the most overrated fights in the last 5 years and the Clottey fight was dull as dishwater.

No doubt in your assessment of the Clottey fight but that is really no faught of Mannys. You need a willing dance partner and Clottey chose to be a wall flower. I do disagree with your view of the Cotto fight. There was a great deal of intrigue leading up to and during the first part of the fight, I just believe Manny took a lot of the fight out of Cotto which caused him to get on his bike and dull the fight up. I still take that fight in terms of excitement over any fight Floyd has been in with the possible exception of the first half of the Mosley fight...
 
No doubt in your assessment of the Clottey fight but that is really no faught of Mannys. You need a willing dance partner and Clottey chose to be a wall flower. I do disagree with your view of the Cotto fight. There was a great deal of intrigue leading up to and during the first part of the fight, I just believe Manny took a lot of the fight out of Cotto which caused him to get on his bike and dull the fight up. I still take that fight in terms of excitement over any fight Floyd has been in with the possible exception of the first half of the Mosley fight...


I remember hearing Bert Sugar, a boxing historian if there ever was one, call the first three-four rounds "Hagler-Hearns 2". So maybe I was expecting too much. But when me and my boy watched, we lost interest and ended up talking to our wives about the pros and cons of "The Cleveland Show".
Clottey had no business in that fight and had done nothing to deserve a big money fight with one of the two biggest draws in the sport and he fought like it.

Me, I can appreciate a great fight but I can also appreciate a great singular performance. I think the beauty of a Pacquiao-Mayweather fight is Pac represents the physical nature and brutality of the sport while Mayweather represents the art of the sport.
 
I really don't see this being about the semantics of size, etc anymore. At this point its just about IT this fight is going to happen. Both sides have dropped their fair share of bullshit, Mannys side with this unwillingness to drug test thing, Floyds side with the demands for testing, purse split, etc. Unfortunately, u can only ride this take a year or two off, come back to save boxing illusion but so long. Sooner or later, age, irrelevance and up and coming fighters are gonna replace you in the eyes of public hunger. Oscar, BHop, etc learned the hard way and sooner or later Floyd with is boring ass though highly skilled style is gonna learn that hard lesson as well. At least Manny is pursuing other fights, maybe not the best fights but fights nonetheless...
 
I really don't see this being about the semantics of size, etc anymore. At this point its just about IT this fight is going to happen. Both sides have dropped their fair share of bullshit, Mannys side with this unwillingness to drug test thing, Floyds side with the demands for testing, purse split, etc. Unfortunately, u can only ride this take a year or two off, come back to save boxing illusion but so long. Sooner or later, age, irrelevance and up and coming fighters are gonna replace you in the eyes of public hunger. Oscar, BHop, etc learned the hard way and sooner or later Floyd with is boring ass though highly skilled style is gonna learn that hard lesson as well. At least Manny is pursuing other fights, maybe not the best fights but fights nonetheless...

TJ
There's never been a dispute on purse split. He agreed to 50/50 last year.
Floyd can be considered a Top 25 All Timer (somewhere between 20-25) but for a guy who wants to be remembered with Robinson, Ali, and Leonard, he needs to have and win this fight. There is no one else. Not P.Williams or Tim Bradley or Sergio Martinez.
 
TJ
There's never been a dispute on purse split. He agreed to 50/50 last year.
Floyd can be considered a Top 25 All Timer (somewhere between 20-25) but for a guy who wants to be remembered with Robinson, Ali, and Leonard, he needs to have and win this fight. There is no one else. Not P.Williams or Tim Bradley or Sergio Martinez.

Beating P.Will or Sergio would go a lot further in cementing Floyd's legacy as an all time top 20 or top 10 guy. Let's be honest, the laymen of boxing have built Pac into this unstoppable fighting machine, the purists know that while Pac is a helluva fighter, a lot of this has been due to sleight of hand and great matchmaking on the part of Roach and Arum. Floyd is going in with every decided advantage a fighter could want, people will mention that years from now when they talk about this fight. They'll say "really we all should have seen it coming" that Floyd was the MUCH better fighter and he duped us all into thinking Pac even had a chance - why didn't he fight guys like Williams or Martinez? Which is why he should fight Martinez or Williams - 2 fights which I think he could very possibly win, I'm more keen on the Williams match up though. He could do what Martinez did to him but take it a bit further, with some bicycle work of course. Beating Williams or Martinez does more for Floyd's legacy in the long run imho. Martinez would be a more difficult fight because of his size/speed/stance/skills combo.
 
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Beating P.Will or Sergio would go a lot further in cementing Floyd's legacy as an all time top 20 or top 10 guy. Let's be honest, the laymen of boxing have built Pac into this unstoppable fighting machine, the purists know that while Pac is a helluva fighter, a lot of this has been due to sleight of hand and great matchmaking on the part of Roach and Arum. Floyd is going in with every decided advantage a fighter could want, people will mention that years from now when they talk about this fight. They'll say "really we all should have seen it coming" that Floyd was the MUCH better fighter and he duped us all into thinking Pac even had a chance - why didn't he fight guys like Williams or Martinez? Which is why he should fight Martinez or Williams - 2 fights which I think he could very possibly win, I'm more keen on the Williams match up though. He could do what Martinez did to him but take it a bit further, with some bicycle work of course. Beating Williams or Martinez does more for Floyd's legacy in the long run imho. Martinez would be a more difficult fight because of his size/speed/stance/skills combo.

In truth fam, Floyd and Manny's stature have benefited from careful matchmaking and while Floyd does have some clear advantages I don't believe it is the white wash you portray. I don't believe Floyd does either, right wrong or indifferent I've nevver seen him go through this magnitude of gymnastics to avoid a fight. That being said, while I do believe Floyd is a slight favorite in this fight it is clear he is an opportunist waiting for these guys, PWill, Manny, etc to trip up while he's 'vacationing' as an excuse to get out of fighting them. Best believe his next fight will be against and older fighter or someone coming up from Jr. Welterweight. :smh:
 
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Beating P.Will or Sergio would go a lot further in cementing Floyd's legacy as an all time top 20 or top 10 guy. Let's be honest, the laymen of boxing have built Pac into this unstoppable fighting machine, the purists know that while Pac is a helluva fighter, a lot of this has been due to sleight of hand and great matchmaking on the part of Roach and Arum. Floyd is going in with every decided advantage a fighter could want, people will mention that years from now when they talk about this fight. They'll say "really we all should have seen it coming" that Floyd was the MUCH better fighter and he duped us all into thinking Pac even had a chance - why didn't he fight guys like Williams or Martinez? Which is why he should fight Martinez or Williams - 2 fights which I think he could very possibly win, I'm more keen on the Williams match up though. He could do what Martinez did to him but take it a bit further, with some bicycle work of course. Beating Williams or Martinez does more for Floyd's legacy in the long run imho. Martinez would be a more difficult fight because of his size/speed/stance/skills combo.

At this point, the only way he fights Martinez is at a drained catchweight and that would take almost all of the prestige out of the win (for me anyway). The fact that Martinez is still on big win number one (and that was over now-considered overrated Pavlik), it would only be impressive to the most hardcore of fans.
Williams might be able to come down to meet Mayweather and it not be a total ripoff but he's lost a lot of the momentum he had and needs to show he's a legit superstar.
Since neither of them has had a memorable career as of yet, I don't see a Mayweather win being memorable either and a loss would be catastrophic (for him).

In truth fam, Floyd and Manny's stature have benefited from careful matchmaking and while Floyd does have some clear advantages I don't believe it is the white wash you portray. I don't believe Floyd does either, right wrong or indifferent I've nevver seen him go through this magnitude of gymnastics to avoid a fight. That being said, while I do believe Floyd is a slight favorite in this fight it is clear he is an opportunist waiting for these guys, PWill, Manny, etc to trip up while he's 'vacationing' as an excuse to get out of fighting them. Best believe his next fight will be against and older fighter or someone coming up from Jr. Welterweight. :smh:

Only if there's someone who can bring an audience. He was clear when he returned, he was only coming back for big fights. There just aren't that many left in jr. welter/welter/jr. middle. There are a lot of potential good fights but not big.



Okay, now I'm bored with this. Is there any other possible angle we can find with this?
 
At this point, the only way he fights Martinez is at a drained catchweight and that would take almost all of the prestige out of the win (for me anyway). The fact that Martinez is still on big win number one (and that was over now-considered overrated Pavlik), it would only be impressive to the most hardcore of fans.
Williams might be able to come down to meet Mayweather and it not be a total ripoff but he's lost a lot of the momentum he had and needs to show he's a legit superstar.
Since neither of them has had a memorable career as of yet, I don't see a Mayweather win being memorable either and a loss would be catastrophic (for him).



Only if there's someone who can bring an audience. He was clear when he returned, he was only coming back for big fights. There just aren't that many left in jr. welter/welter/jr. middle. There are a lot of potential good fights but not big.



Okay, now I'm bored with this. Is there any other possible angle we can find with this?

:lol: Actually no... A non event does lose steam pretty quickly doesn't it?!?! In my opinion, the only issue in the fight game worth talking about are: The Super Six Tourney, a Jr. Welterweight Tourney, who Bute fights after the Tourney, whether or not Chad Dawson becomes a star, and at 35 how much time does Martinez have left to establish himself as a real superstar.... outside of this, boxing is... :smh:
 
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At this point, the only way he fights Martinez is at a drained catchweight and that would take almost all of the prestige out of the win (for me anyway). The fact that Martinez is still on big win number one (and that was over now-considered overrated Pavlik), it would only be impressive to the most hardcore of fans.
Williams might be able to come down to meet Mayweather and it not be a total ripoff but he's lost a lot of the momentum he had and needs to show he's a legit superstar.
Since neither of them has had a memorable career as of yet, I don't see a Mayweather win being memorable either and a loss would be catastrophic (for him).



Only if there's someone who can bring an audience. He was clear when he returned, he was only coming back for big fights he could win. There just aren't that many left in jr. welter/welter/jr. middle. There are a lot of potential good fights but not big.



Okay, now I'm bored with this. Is there any other possible angle we can find with this?

Then Floyd is just ass. And he doesn't deserve to be mentioned all time anything except lightweight. He didn't have a problem going to 154 for old ass Oscar.:smh:
I look at all the problems a pinpoint counter puncher with holes in his defense gave Manny(Marquez). And then I look at Floyd, a pinpoint counterpuncher with an awesome defense who's much bigger than Manny, not a good look for Manny. Arum and Roach are gonna stretch this out as far as they can so Manny can build a lil more legacy, make some more money and for Floyd to get a lil bit older before they jump in the ring with Floyd. And why exactly would a loss to a much bigger, really good fighter be catastrophic? If it's a great fight, Floyd would win alot of fans who before would just call him a coward, he would win points in the boxing community and among writers. this is the type of thinking that is wrong with boxing today.:smh:
So we're at the point where a fighter won't jump in the ring with a guy he might lose to huh? Boxing is just :smh: right now. I ain't payin these niccas a dime to watch this fight when it finally happens.:smh:
 
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