It's cool. The way you interpreted the situation is exactly what Arum was looking and the national press, which doesn't follow boxing but in the most casual way, bit.
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It's cool. The way you interpreted the situation is exactly what Arum was looking and the national press, which doesn't follow boxing but in the most casual way, bit.
When I read the stuff about him putting up a time clock and countdown for Mayweather to respond to I was like: "what the fuck!" Does he think he was dealing with his little bitch or some little slave boy. I thought to myself those motherfuckers playing some fucked up game. All geared at giving Mayweather the shaft and trying to make him look bad if he doesn't take it.
You can see it. I'm sure everyone can but they're so caught up in how much they dislike Floyd Mayweather, they refuse to.
Some of you cats.
No. Mayweather isn't saying anything, as per the agreement. Arum sets a trap, hoping the legendary Mayweather pride/ego will walk into it, but it's the marks, in the public and the sycophantic media, who actually fall in.
Well I think you might need to step back and think about this. Could you be wrong?
Or is everybody wrong because they don't agree with the way you look at things?Its funny because your complaining about the logic but you are not providing alternatives or even explaining how my logic is flawed.
I dont mind people not agreeing with me.I am laughing at the notion a person cant express a viewpoint because they are not intimate with the subject. That is what aim laughing about.
There is no agreement not going to the press.
I haven't seen anyone but Tim Smith say anything like this and he lost a lot of credibility when he started the rumor about this mysterious email regarding Pacquiao taking PED's. Teddy Atlas later jumped on this as well. This email has turned into somewhat as an embarrassment for Atlas.
Regardless of Smith's credibility, I do remember some sort of agreement about negotiating in the press. However, I don't think Arum stating a deadline rose to the level of negotiating in the press. I don't think even Mayweather's side would say that Arum violated the agreement, but time will tell and we will see.
It's ok if you talk out of your ass but what's the point of having a discussion if I can't take you opinion seriously? How can I take your opinion seriously if you are not basing it on any facts or at least something were you can make a logical argument?
If you come here just to talk with no real point... fine.
If you want to argue your points with nothing more than saying "this is my point of view"... fine.
But why should I give two fucks about your opinion?
Why even express your opinion if you don't take the time to think your opinion through enough in your own head to be able to explain it?
If don't feel the need to explain yourself, why do you take time to type this shit?
Just cause something is written by a third party doesn't mean it is true. If you read there really were no negations at all between the two parties. This was bob and hob trying to create a situation for all parties to be happy without the pbf being involved. I could of course be wrong. But that is how it read to me.
Lol, dude you are one funny ass man. But then again that is my point of view aka IMO. Internet cats flexing on a keyboard. Listen we all are just drop pining how we feel. You don't like what I say move on. It is not that serious.
there is no flexing on a keyboard... I just think you clutter this forum with hollow statements and then try to act like your being persecuted when people ask you to explain yourself...
Come on dude, instead of saying something to back up your statements, you try to act like people are wrong for not agreeing with your baseless opinions or like people are attacking you for just having a different point of view.
When in reality, if you could provide anything that was thought provoking or at least something that showed that you thought things through, there could be more interesting conversations.
Also it must be serious enough for you to come in every boxing thread and drop your 2 cents. You must be here talking about this shit for a reason.
what in the fuck...shit is getting silly now
http://sports.espn.go.com/sports/boxing/news/story?id=5393522
Leonard Ellerbe, one of Floyd Mayweather Jr.'s closest advisers, denied Monday that negotiations for a super fight between Mayweather and Manny Pacquiao had ever taken place.
That is contrary to what Top Rank's Bob Arum, Pacquiao's promoter, has been saying for the past three weeks, and he's sticking by his story.
Arum said June 30 that he had concluded talks and was waiting for a decision from the Mayweather camp on whether he wanted to fight this year. Then, Arum gave Mayweather until 3 a.m. ET Saturday to accept the terms of an agreement, or he would move on and look to make a deal for Pacquiao to either fight Antonio Margarito or have a rematch with Miguel Cotto on Nov. 13.
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Here are the facts ... the truth is no negotiations have ever taken place, nor was there ever a deal agreed upon by Team Mayweather or Floyd Mayweather to fight Manny Pacquiao on Nov. 13. Either Ross Greenburg or Bob Arum is not telling the truth, but history tells us who is lying.
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-- Leonard Ellerbe, an adviser to Floyd Mayweather Jr. (pictured)
There was even a clock on Top Rank's website counting down the days, hours, minutes and seconds until the deadline, a deadline Arum said was the window in which he would exclusively negotiate the Mayweather fight.
Arum set a teleconference with boxing reporters at the deadline's expiration. On the teleconference, Arum said he had worked out the agreement with Al Haymon, Mayweather's top adviser, using Ross Greenburg, the president of HBO Sports, as a go-between without ever speaking directly to Haymon.
Now, Ellerbe denies any of that ever happened.
"Here are the facts," Ellerbe said in Monday's statement. "Al Haymon, [Golden Boy Promotions CEO] Richard Schaefer and myself speak to each other on a regular basis, and the truth is no negotiations have ever taken place, nor was there ever a deal agreed upon by Team Mayweather or Floyd Mayweather to fight Manny Pacquiao on Nov. 13. Either Ross Greenburg or Bob Arum is not telling the truth, but history tells us who is lying."
Ellerbe was clearly taking a shot at Arum, who is famous for playing fast and loose with the truth after having uttered the famous quote years ago, "Yesterday I was lying; today I am telling the truth."
When asked for his response to Ellerbe's surprising statement, Greenburg said in an e-mail to ESPN.com, "As always we have no comment."
Arum sounded utterly perplexed when reached for comment about the statement.
"This is like absurd unreality," Arum said when reached at his Los Angeles vacation home. "I'm not going to be party to this [expletive]. When I heard about [the statement] I thought it was a joke. Ross said he was talking to Haymon. He certainly wasn't making it up. And Haymon was relaying conversations to Ross allegedly that Floyd had with him. At least that is what Ross says."
Throughout May and June, when the negotiations were supposedly taking place, Arum refused to speak about them. He would cite a "gag order," which he said everyone involved had agreed to. Schaefer did the same thing and would sometimes say "no comment" when called before even being asked a question because the "gag order" had become such a joke in boxing circles.
Oscar De La Hoya, the founder and president of Golden Boy Promotions, acknowledged negotiations during an early June appearance on a talk show on Spanish-language network Univision. During his appearance, in which he spoke Spanish, De La Hoya said the deal for the fight was very close.
When the camps negotiated the bout in December and January in anticipation of it happening in March, both sides spoke freely to the media, and their comments, they said, contributed to the fight blowing up over an inability to finalize the drug testing protocol.
This time, both sides said, they would keep things private.
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If there is no negotiation, who imposed the gag order? Why they're doing this is absurd. What is motivating them to put something like this out? I'm not going to speculate but what are they doing? Schaefer said there was a gag order. Who could there be a gag order from if there were no negotiations? From the sky?
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-- Top Rank's Bob Arum on Mayweather camp statement
"If there is no negotiation, who imposed the gag order," Arum said. "Why they're doing this is absurd. What is motivating them to put something like this out? I'm not going to speculate, but what are they doing? Schaefer said there was a gag order. Who could there be a gag order from if there were no negotiations? From the sky?
"What they said was absurd, but why did they say this? They could say a lot of other things. My feeling is that this is rapidly becoming one of the most bizarre things ever."
On Sunday, Mayweather, who was in Miami as a coach at a charity basketball game hosted by Dwyane Wade and Alonzo Mourning, told The Associated Press regarding the Pacquiao fight, "I'm not interested in rushing to do anything. I'm not really thinking about boxing right now. I'm just relaxing. I fought about 60 days ago, so I'm just enjoying myself, enjoying life, enjoying my family and enjoying my vacation."
With Mayweather, who beat Shane Mosley on May 1, clearly not interested in fighting again this year, Arum said he will try to close a fight with Margarito or Cotto in the next 10 days or so.
But there remains a hearty appetite from the public for Pacquiao-Mayweather, a fight between the sport's two best fighters. It's a fight that many believe will shatter all boxing revenue records.
Top Rank streamed Saturday morning's teleconference live on its website, and spokesman Lee Samuels said more than 30,000 tuned in despite the timing. He added that Top Rank's website spiked to 50,000 hits on Saturday. Both, he said, are records for the site.
So Ellerbe's denial of the talks and Arum's insistence that they took place add another chapter to the saga of the biggest fight in the sport, one that seems a long way from taking place.
"The kid [Mayweather] said he doesn't want to fight. OK, good," Arum said. "But this makes everybody look crazy."
http://sports.espn.go.com/sports/boxing/news/story?id=5393522
Leonard Ellerbe, one of Floyd Mayweather Jr.'s closest advisers, denied Monday that negotiations for a super fight between Mayweather and Manny Pacquiao had ever taken place.
That is contrary to what Top Rank's Bob Arum, Pacquiao's promoter, has been saying for the past three weeks, and he's sticking by his story.
Arum said June 30 that he had concluded talks and was waiting for a decision from the Mayweather camp on whether he wanted to fight this year. Then, Arum gave Mayweather until 3 a.m. ET Saturday to accept the terms of an agreement, or he would move on and look to make a deal for Pacquiao to either fight Antonio Margarito or have a rematch with Miguel Cotto on Nov. 13.
“
Here are the facts ... the truth is no negotiations have ever taken place, nor was there ever a deal agreed upon by Team Mayweather or Floyd Mayweather to fight Manny Pacquiao on Nov. 13. Either Ross Greenburg or Bob Arum is not telling the truth, but history tells us who is lying.
”
-- Leonard Ellerbe, an adviser to Floyd Mayweather Jr. (pictured)
There was even a clock on Top Rank's website counting down the days, hours, minutes and seconds until the deadline, a deadline Arum said was the window in which he would exclusively negotiate the Mayweather fight.
Arum set a teleconference with boxing reporters at the deadline's expiration. On the teleconference, Arum said he had worked out the agreement with Al Haymon, Mayweather's top adviser, using Ross Greenburg, the president of HBO Sports, as a go-between without ever speaking directly to Haymon.
Now, Ellerbe denies any of that ever happened.
"Here are the facts," Ellerbe said in Monday's statement. "Al Haymon, [Golden Boy Promotions CEO] Richard Schaefer and myself speak to each other on a regular basis, and the truth is no negotiations have ever taken place, nor was there ever a deal agreed upon by Team Mayweather or Floyd Mayweather to fight Manny Pacquiao on Nov. 13. Either Ross Greenburg or Bob Arum is not telling the truth, but history tells us who is lying."
Ellerbe was clearly taking a shot at Arum, who is famous for playing fast and loose with the truth after having uttered the famous quote years ago, "Yesterday I was lying; today I am telling the truth."
When asked for his response to Ellerbe's surprising statement, Greenburg said in an e-mail to ESPN.com, "As always we have no comment."
Arum sounded utterly perplexed when reached for comment about the statement.
"This is like absurd unreality," Arum said when reached at his Los Angeles vacation home. "I'm not going to be party to this [expletive]. When I heard about [the statement] I thought it was a joke. Ross said he was talking to Haymon. He certainly wasn't making it up. And Haymon was relaying conversations to Ross allegedly that Floyd had with him. At least that is what Ross says."
Throughout May and June, when the negotiations were supposedly taking place, Arum refused to speak about them. He would cite a "gag order," which he said everyone involved had agreed to. Schaefer did the same thing and would sometimes say "no comment" when called before even being asked a question because the "gag order" had become such a joke in boxing circles.
Oscar De La Hoya, the founder and president of Golden Boy Promotions, acknowledged negotiations during an early June appearance on a talk show on Spanish-language network Univision. During his appearance, in which he spoke Spanish, De La Hoya said the deal for the fight was very close.
When the camps negotiated the bout in December and January in anticipation of it happening in March, both sides spoke freely to the media, and their comments, they said, contributed to the fight blowing up over an inability to finalize the drug testing protocol.
This time, both sides said, they would keep things private.
“
If there is no negotiation, who imposed the gag order? Why they're doing this is absurd. What is motivating them to put something like this out? I'm not going to speculate but what are they doing? Schaefer said there was a gag order. Who could there be a gag order from if there were no negotiations? From the sky?
”
-- Top Rank's Bob Arum on Mayweather camp statement
"If there is no negotiation, who imposed the gag order," Arum said. "Why they're doing this is absurd. What is motivating them to put something like this out? I'm not going to speculate, but what are they doing? Schaefer said there was a gag order. Who could there be a gag order from if there were no negotiations? From the sky?
"What they said was absurd, but why did they say this? They could say a lot of other things. My feeling is that this is rapidly becoming one of the most bizarre things ever."
On Sunday, Mayweather, who was in Miami as a coach at a charity basketball game hosted by Dwyane Wade and Alonzo Mourning, told The Associated Press regarding the Pacquiao fight, "I'm not interested in rushing to do anything. I'm not really thinking about boxing right now. I'm just relaxing. I fought about 60 days ago, so I'm just enjoying myself, enjoying life, enjoying my family and enjoying my vacation."
With Mayweather, who beat Shane Mosley on May 1, clearly not interested in fighting again this year, Arum said he will try to close a fight with Margarito or Cotto in the next 10 days or so.
But there remains a hearty appetite from the public for Pacquiao-Mayweather, a fight between the sport's two best fighters. It's a fight that many believe will shatter all boxing revenue records.
Top Rank streamed Saturday morning's teleconference live on its website, and spokesman Lee Samuels said more than 30,000 tuned in despite the timing. He added that Top Rank's website spiked to 50,000 hits on Saturday. Both, he said, are records for the site.
So Ellerbe's denial of the talks and Arum's insistence that they took place add another chapter to the saga of the biggest fight in the sport, one that seems a long way from taking place.
"The kid [Mayweather] said he doesn't want to fight. OK, good," Arum said. "But this makes everybody look crazy."
That's some goofy shit. WTF is going on?
Looks like you were right, Buk. Either that or Ellerbe is lying. Even De La Hoya acknowledged that negotiations were going on a few weeks ago. I wonder what the new Arum conspiracy theory is going to be. This whole thing becomes more of a farce by the day and Mayweather does himself very few favors.
WTF is going on? May just shat on you guys again after you spend days speculating and defending this guy on boards aimlessly with all kinds of conspiracy theories about Arum trying to keep a brutha down and all that bullshit. Hey, I guess Arum didn't negotiate in the press because no negotiations ever took place.
Clowns!No, if one reads the very same article, it looks like buk was wrong.
There you go and now that particular argument is closed.
WTF is going on? May just shat on you guys again after you spend days speculating and defending this guy on boards aimlessly with all kinds of conspiracy theories about Arum trying to keep a brutha down and all that bullshit. Hey, I guess Arum didn't negotiate in the press because no negotiations ever took place.
Who ever said anything like that? Whatever prejudices you carry in your heart, try not to project them onto other people. For myself and a lot of people on this particular board, we saw Arum as transparently trying to sabotage the fight for his own gain. I missed where anyone was defending Mayweather at all because there was nothing to defend him from. Now this latest statement by Ellerbe is a extremely bizarre twist to this increasingly strange story.
You have to read it a couple times to see Ellerbe may be playing word games (something buk and Zef should appreciate). He seems to be saying Arum and Co. didn't talk to me or Al Haymon while Arum says he was negotiating with Haymon through Greenburg without ever speaking to Haymon. So he could be telling the absolute truth and still be bullshitting.
Where's that thread about 8 other fights?
I don't get what's going on at all. Someone is full of shit and I think it is Floyd at this point. I will wait and see what develops, but this nigga sat silent this whole time, and after the fact he pulling this shit.
As far as Arum conspiracies, I don't know how anyone could say that, if I speculated on what is being said in the press instead of just making shit up. I took the information provided to me to form my statements and now there is new information to contradict the previous information so now my opinion is different.
I'm not surprised by the hold a brother down statement.... Dave what do you expect from a dude that was co-signing racist statements like ****** logic?
I think they're all full of shit at this point (beyond my normal expectations for bullshit).
Arum fired first with the deadline and now Ellerbe comes back with this.
Arum fired first with the deadline and now Ellerbe comes back with this.
How can you still blame Arum for negotiating in the press when your boy says negotiations didn't exist?!
The sad thing is...with all the BS this fight at least for me is losing a lot of its luster. These Dudes need to realize at a point you have to cut the bullshit and strike while the iron is hot. In the meantime, other fighter are FIGHTING, building fan base, PBF and Manny are getting older and I believe they are now becoming annoyances even to the most astute boxing fans. All this posturing is getting old.
I feel like Floyds camp is full of shit to wait an entire month to NOW come out and say there were never any negotiations ongoing instead of checking it earlier and Arum is full of shit to try to strong arm Floyd knowing that shit wasn't gonna fly especially with their past.
I really believe these two are real close to fucking this one up, should have hooked up right after dominating Shane and Clottey, next year those wins won't have the same gloss, just like Shanes win over Margarito didn't have the same stroke 1 1/2 yrs after the fact when he fought PBF. And what the hell does Manny gain from fighting Margarito or Cotto?!?!
I feel like Floyds camp is full of shit to wait an entire month to NOW come out and say there were never any negotiations ongoing instead of checking it earlier and Arum is full of shit to try to strong arm Floyd knowing that shit wasn't gonna fly especially with their past.
I really believe these two are real close to fucking this one up, should have hooked up right after dominating Shane and Clottey, next year those wins won't have the same gloss, just like Shanes win over Margarito didn't have the same stroke 1 1/2 yrs after the fact when he fought PBF. And what the hell does Manny gain from fighting Margarito or Cotto?!?!
How can you still blame Arum for negotiating in the press when your boy says negotiations didn't exist?!
By putting his demand in public view to force Floyd to acknowledge them and make a decision publicly. He didn't expect, with Floyds ego and all for him to tell Arum to go fuck himself!
How can you still blame Arum for negotiating in the press when your boy says negotiations didn't exist?!
So all the evidence presented on this page that says there were negotiations means nothing?
Ellerbe is clearly bullshitting and I've said as much.
And ease up on "your boy". I'm a Mayweather fan but since I don't believe in perfect people, I call his bullshit like anyone else's. You might want to find some of that objectivity when having adult discussions.
I definitely see that as a major part. Whatever was going on in the back went to shit when it went public and the Mayweather camp is retaliating and muddying the water even further.
I always thought the money would be too much for these guys to walk away from, fighters, promoters, casinos, and networks alike. It's looking like I was wrong.
Cosign...
Same thing I thought... there would be so much money at stake that these cats would play nice just to get the money. At this point, both parties seem to be full of shit.
I think there is a huge power struggle going on behind the scenes. This is potentially the largest fight in the entire history of boxing fellas..... probably an insane amount of politics, etc going on...
The thing the boggles my mind is how it is an easy fight to make. But the golden boy and pbf messed it all up with the steroid accusation. They messed up a huge pay day by insulting a dude that was half of the largest ours ever. You have to ask yourself why.
1 Oscar pissed about manny backing away from gbp and wanting to keep the money
2 Oscar because he got his as tore up by manny in a way no one else ever did to him
3 Oscar because he is jealous he is not center stage anymore
4 Manny for not letting his pride push him away from the fight. He should have taken the test and fight
5 Floyd sr because he isn't center stage for the fight and knows Floyd jr can be beaten
6 uncle Roger because he rather believe a lie than face the fact manny is better
7 pbf because he is scared of losing his zero
8 pbf because he does not want to fight a hall of famer fighter in his prime
9 pbf because he does not want to fight manny period
It is so stupid. Manny wants the fight. He just doesn't want the games? Hey has anyone hear if gbp is having jam next fight with diazo do the drug testing they champion during the mostly pbf fight?
1 Oscar pissed about manny backing away from gbp and wanting to keep the money
2 Oscar because he got his as tore up by manny in a way no one else ever did to him
3 Oscar because he is jealous he is not center stage anymore
4 Manny for not letting his pride push him away from the fight. He should have taken the test and fight
5 Floyd sr because he isn't center stage for the fight and knows Floyd jr can be beaten
6 uncle Roger because he rather believe a lie than face the fact manny is better
7 pbf because he is scared of losing his zero
8 pbf because he does not want to fight a hall of famer fighter in his prime
9 pbf because he does not want to fight manny period
It is so stupid. Manny wants the fight. He just doesn't want the games? Hey has anyone hear if gbp is having jam next fight with diazo do the drug testing they champion during the mostly pbf fight?
You're all over the place with that one, buk.
Oscar wants this fight more than anyone involved. GB has entanglements with both fighters, not just Mayweather. He couldn't care less about being in the limelight. The guy, one of my least favorite athletes ever, was smart enough to have a plan for when his career was over and it's been a huge success.
I really doubt he's worried about his loss to Pacquiao. That wasn't his first loss or even his worst (Hopkins). He lost to Shane and Bernard and works with both of them. Money trumps any rivalries with him and that's a good thing.
Floyd Sr? The man hasn't been in any limelight in a long time. You were just shitting on him for the sake of shitting on him with that one.
It's not in the Mayweather DNA to believe any fighter is better than Floyd Jr, at least not any active (Roger calls Sugar Ray Robinson the greatest ever).
I do find it funny in your 9 statements only one doesnt' lay blame at the feet of the Mayweathers and Oscar.
I see you believe the "Manny as humble warrior" gimmick Roach has laid out there. The guy has been the best matchmaker since Oscar retired.
Oscar wants this fight more than anyone involved. GB has entanglements with both fighters, not just Mayweather. He couldn't care less about being in the limelight. The guy, one of my least favorite athletes ever, was smart enough to have a plan for when his career was over and it's been a huge success.
I really doubt he's worried about his loss to Pacquiao. That wasn't his first loss or even his worst (Hopkins). He lost to Shane and Bernard and works with both of them. Money trumps any rivalries with him and that's a good thing.
Floyd Sr? The man hasn't been in any limelight in a long time. You were just shitting on him for the sake of shitting on him with that one.
It's not in the Mayweather DNA to believe any fighter is better than Floyd Jr, at least not any active (Roger calls Sugar Ray Robinson the greatest ever).
I do find it funny in your 9 statements only one doesnt' lay blame at the feet of the Mayweathers and Oscar.
I see you believe the "Manny as humble warrior" gimmick Roach has laid out there. The guy has been the best matchmaker since Oscar retired.
As your hero Mayweather would say, "evidence, what evidence?" or "negotiations, what negotiations?"
Man Oscar is fuming over how he got his ass kicked. He blamed his loss on roofs when pbf wanted to fight manny.
Manny has not done a lot to cause the prospect of the fight to go down the toilet. But the thing he did do was huge. He allowed his ego to take front stage and walk away. That is probably the biggest thing. Because no matter what gbp and floyd did, manny should have worked something out instead of walking away. I understand why he did. But still. It is a mess up situation.
This fight lost its luster for me months ago. That's why I don't even feed into any of the details of the negotiations, get into the he said she said or try to speculate about who's lying and what goes on behind closed doors. I'll pay attention when the fight is actually made. All the rest with guys here going back and forth saying their opinion is better than the other, and "oh, I'm more of an adult than you, blah, blah" when no one knows what the fuck is actually is going on is just a total waste of time.
I love the fact that after Mayweather's fans defend him to the death and give him the benefit of the doubt, he pops out and gives a middle finger to everyone.
Hilarious. Only Mayweather knows if and when he will fight and giving so much of a fuck about it is unbecoming of a true boxing fan when there are so many other great fights to be made. Some guys on here actually think if Mayweather and Pac retire the sport will go into some kind of dark ages, amazing.
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People sleep on the whole southpaw factor with fighters but Floyd Sr knows what's up. Peep his response in that recent interview when they asked him about Jr vs Sergio Martinez. The first thing he said was he wasn't sure Jr would win simply because Martinez is a southpaw. Sr knows that Pac is the worst kind of lefty to fight and win or lose it would not be an easy fight for either fighter or a guaranteed win for either.
I'm not convinced the fight would have been made even if Pac had agreed to be drug tested to Mayweather's liking, a notion which I find ridiculous to begin with. Even if Pac had succumbed to Mayweather's demands, something else probably would have popped up. Maybe this time Pac agreed to everything and Mayweather's only out was to pretend negotiations never existed.