Im bullshitting but if Pacman fights at 154 and retains his power and speed (and wins impressively) and ISNT using PEDs he is the GOAT
Yeah..that is why I was bullshitting because I dont give a shit what happens in this fight...Margarito is a cheating ass overrated fighter and clearly (under these circumstances) is a shill for Arum... but would be interesting to see pac at a heavier weight because im already amazed by him coming up in weight and retaining his speed and power..but if he goes up even more and AGAIN seems like the stronger-harder hitter
I doubt it, because Roach wanted Cotto again at a catchweight, Roach knows his fighters limits, Cotto's team(Emmanuel) said no, it takes place at 154 or it doesn't happen. All the talk up until about 2 weeks ago was that he was gonna fight Cotto again, they even sat with Cotto and said things were going good. When Cotto's team demanded a non-catchweight 154 fight, Margarito became the frontrunner. It'll be some bullshit catchweight, they got Margarito by the balls, he's desperate and would fight a mannequin for a good paycheck right now. I'm convinced, Cotto/Pac at 154 with Steward in his corner is something they don't want to risk since he didn't even really fight him at welter the first time. But if Pac fights Margarito and loses then Arum's still got an already well hyped up MArgarito/Cotto rematch. Which would be huge, considering Margarito came back to beat the p4p and Cotto wants revenge. Arum is Satan.
Never mind that Cotto/Cintron or Cotto/Angulo would be much better fights.
I doubt it, because Roach wanted Cotto again at a catchweight, Roach knows his fighters limits, Cotto's team(Emmanuel) said no, it takes place at 154 or it doesn't happen. All the talk up until about 2 weeks ago was that he was gonna fight Cotto again, they even sat with Cotto and said things were going good. When Cotto's team demanded a non-catchweight 154 fight, Margarito became the frontrunner. It'll be some bullshit catchweight, they got Margarito by the balls, he's desperate and would fight a mannequin for a good paycheck right now. I'm convinced, Cotto/Pac at 154 with Steward in his corner is something they don't want to risk since he didn't even really fight him at welter the first time. But if Pac fights Margarito and loses then Arum's still got an already well hyped up MArgarito/Cotto rematch. Which would be huge, considering Margarito came back to beat the p4p and Cotto wants revenge. Arum is Satan.
I doubt it, because Roach wanted Cotto again at a catchweight, Roach knows his fighters limits, Cotto's team(Emmanuel) said no, it takes place at 154 or it doesn't happen. All the talk up until about 2 weeks ago was that he was gonna fight Cotto again, they even sat with Cotto and said things were going good. When Cotto's team demanded a non-catchweight 154 fight, Margarito became the frontrunner. It'll be some bullshit catchweight, they got Margarito by the balls, he's desperate and would fight a mannequin for a good paycheck right now. I'm convinced, Cotto/Pac at 154 with Steward in his corner is something they don't want to risk since he didn't even really fight him at welter the first time. But if Pac fights Margarito and loses then Arum's still got an already well hyped up MArgarito/Cotto rematch. Which would be huge, considering Margarito came back to beat the p4p and Cotto wants revenge. Arum is Satan.
I don't doubt that shit at all, Arum's reasons/reasoning is just too plausible. In the meantime, Cotto will probably be fed Martirosyan or Saul Roman or whatever other Jr. Middles are with Top Rank.
Roach: Khan Destroys Bradley, Pacquiao Stops Him in One
Posted by: Mark Vester on 07-24-2010.
http://www.boxingscene.com/?m=show&id=29522
By Mark Vester
Trainer Freddie Roach was far from impressed with Timothy Bradley's recent welterweight debut. Bradley moved up to the welterweight division to win a twelve round decision over Carlos Abregu. Roach would like to see his champion, Amir Khan, face Bradley in the ring. After what Roach saw the other night, he says Khan would destroy Bradley in a fight. Khan has a return date set for December 11.
After Bradley beat Abregu, he challenged another champion trained by Roach, Manny Pacquiao. Roach agrees with the recent comments made by Devon Alexander's manager/trainer, Kevin Cunningham, and says the two fighters should not even be mentioned in the same sentence. He sees Pacquiao putting Bradley away in one round.
"Timothy Bradley looked like a bum. He is a good 140-pound fighter though. I would like to match him up with Amir Khan. Amir would destroy him, but Manny Pacquiao would knockout Bradley in one round. Bradley had an ordinary guy in front of him the other night, and he wasn't able to do anything with him. I was a little disappointed in the commentary in that fight, there was no action in that fight. Timothy Bradley vs. Manny Pacquiao? A joke, not even in the same class," Roach said to 8countnews.com.
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This shit aggs me to no end. Roach is funny as shit, Talks all this shit AFTER they sign the Margarito fight!?!?!? Fuck this Dude, if what he is saying is true, then why the Fuck didn't they sign to fight him then, he could have recovered and had enough time to train for the Nov date. Fuck Roach!!! Plus, Khan is still available to fight later in the year or early next, I'll bet anything this big mouth bastard finds a way to talk circles around a fight for Bradley with either of them... if you aren't gonna fight him why keep talking about him... between Floyd's camp and Manny's camp, all the hollow shit talking... shit is getting boring as hell!!!!
Cintron will be broken down slowly by Cotto and stopped, he has no heart to do Cotto's type of battle, and Angulo is a young Margarito in terms of skill, he already lost to CINTRON - the Tin Man!!
Cintron hasn't BLASTED anyone away in a LONG time and Angulo has the skills of a burro, try again. Dislike Puerto Ricans much Zef? I hear this shit all the time from non Puerto Rican latinos. Every nicca that Tito ever fought was 'sposed to destroy him. Mexican at my job told me Juanma would be eaten by Concepcion....you guys are funny.
Who say you have to be consistent with your arguments?
Cintron might blast himself out the fucking ring...
But Merce... Margarito was a top fighter that everybody was afraid to fight.
Merce stop it.... This guy is a boxing expert. Weight only means something when your fighting Mayweather.
Cotto came down, Oscar came down, Margarito will come down and shit Cotto might come down again and in the end if Floyd doesn't fight Pac, Clottey will be the only real welter weight that Manny beat at welter.
I'm always gonna have a grudge against Floyd as a fighter but I LOVE the fact that he FUCKED Arum at his own game and is keeping all his dough.
Cintron hasn't BLASTED anyone away in a LONG time and Angulo has the skills of a burro, try again. Dislike Puerto Ricans much Zef? I hear this shit all the time from non Puerto Rican latinos. Every nicca that Tito ever fought was 'sposed to destroy him. Mexican at my job told me Juanma would be eaten by Concepcion....you guys are funny.
Gamboa has fought 18 fights, almost half waht Lopez has fought against worse comp and been down more times. Caballero is a tall very flawed fighter who is getting long in the tooth at 34.
Let's do some math here, from 145 to 154, nicca that's NINE pounds, whole weight classes don't span NINE pounds. That's not nine pounds he had to put on, it's nine pounds he didn't have to take off. My point is, if the 2 pounds from 147 to 145 didn't make any difference as you so insist, Why did Roach and Pac INSIST on it in the first place. BECAUSE IT MATTERED!!! God damm dude, how is that so difficult to grasp. Clottey was obviously there to lose against Pac and make him look good so it didn't matter what weight he came in at, he was there just to be an opponent. If weight doesn't matter, why did they refuse to fight Cotto at 154 without a catchweight? Freddie knows exactly what Pac can and can't do, and matches him accordingly. He also knows that making Cotto come in that close to 140 as opposed to closer to 150(not to mention the difference in rehydration) does make a difference, since Cotto couldn't take a punch at 140 but took Judah and Mosley's and Clottey's best shots at 147 without dropping. The nicca was getting rocked with plaster and only took a knee. So yeah, to me those 2 pounds definitely made a difference and Roach knew it.
The FACT of the matter is that they asked Cotto to come in 2 pounds below the limit, something they didn't ask of Clottey his VERY NEXT OPPONENT. With all your wisdom can you answer me WHY, if like you say, the 2 pounds didn't matter?
Every young fighter has to go through and usually does go through a fight like the Mtagawa fight, you know this. Floyd did, and so did many others, if you have what it takes, you get through it, if not....Did he drop like Khan did against his journeyman fighter, nope, was he ko'd like Khan was, nope. He showed heart, held on and won his fight. Sure Gamboa blasted Mtagwa, at a higher weight Mtagwa didn't belong at, but again, I ask you as you say Juanma has been fighting bums and over the hill guys, but then what have Gamboa and Caballero been fighting? Since none of their comp is even as notable as the bums and journeyman Juanma been fighting.
Fine, as you say, you have nothing against Ricans, it just seems strange that everytime a Rican fighter is brought up, you just seem to have something negative to say. If you say it's not true, then I apologize.
That makes no sense, they wouldn't have asked for it if they thought it would have a) no effect on Cotto and b) wasn't an advantage for Manny.
The outcome might not have been different, but those first couple rounds, Cotto got in his ass, Cotto is also easier to drop when lighter, that's a fact. Manny is a ko artist, he needs to drop guys, he doesn't win on points unless they're giving him decisions like the 2 fights against Marquez or he's fighting a coward-like Clottey who was too afraid to open up.
Cotto also fought a totally wack fight gameplan wise. He never held Manny when he got too close, and he let Manny force him back, a no-no against Pacman, he also attacked way too much instead of circling, controlling lanes and counterpunching.
The outcome might not have been different, but those first couple rounds, Cotto got in his ass, Cotto is also easier to drop when lighter, that's a fact. Manny is a ko artist, he needs to drop guys, he doesn't win on points unless they're giving him decisions like the 2 fights against Marquez or he's fighting a coward-like Clottey who was too afraid to open up.
Cotto also fought a totally wack fight gameplan wise. He never held Manny when he got too close, and he let Manny force him back, a no-no against Pacman, he also attacked way too much instead of circling, controlling lanes and counterpunching.
I doubt it, because Roach wanted Cotto again at a catchweight, Roach knows his fighters limits, Cotto's team(Emmanuel) said no, it takes place at 154 or it doesn't happen. All the talk up until about 2 weeks ago was that he was gonna fight Cotto again, they even sat with Cotto and said things were going good. When Cotto's team demanded a non-catchweight 154 fight, Margarito became the frontrunner. It'll be some bullshit catchweight, they got Margarito by the balls, he's desperate and would fight a mannequin for a good paycheck right now. I'm convinced, Cotto/Pac at 154 with Steward in his corner is something they don't want to risk since he didn't even really fight him at welter the first time. But if Pac fights Margarito and loses then Arum's still got an already well hyped up MArgarito/Cotto rematch. Which would be huge, considering Margarito came back to beat the p4p and Cotto wants revenge. Arum is Satan.
He does but he intentionally puts on blinders to hold on to points that can't stand up on their own.
Let's do some math here, from 145 to 154, nicca that's NINE pounds, whole weight classes don't span NINE pounds. That's not nine pounds he had to put on, it's nine pounds he didn't have to take off. My point is, if the 2 pounds from 147 to 145 didn't make any difference as you so insist, Why did Roach and Pac INSIST on it in the first place. BECAUSE IT MATTERED!!! God damm dude, how is that so difficult to grasp. Clottey was obviously there to lose against Pac and make him look good so it didn't matter what weight he came in at, he was there just to be an opponent. If weight doesn't matter, why did they refuse to fight Cotto at 154 without a catchweight? Freddie knows exactly what Pac can and can't do, and matches him accordingly. He also knows that making Cotto come in that close to 140 as opposed to closer to 150(not to mention the difference in rehydration) does make a difference, since Cotto couldn't take a punch at 140 but took Judah and Mosley's and Clottey's best shots at 147 without dropping. The nicca was getting rocked with plaster and only took a knee. So yeah, to me those 2 pounds definitely made a difference and Roach knew it.
The FACT of the matter is that they asked Cotto to come in 2 pounds below the limit, something they didn't ask of Clottey his VERY NEXT OPPONENT. With all your wisdom can you answer me WHY, if like you say, the 2 pounds didn't matter?