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sean69 said:
celtics better figure out how to limit the turn overs.

Rondo needs to be more disciplined on the ball.

Ray allen needs to get his act together or sub that nucca early.

Pierce needs to have that killer instinct on tuesday. Heck, the whole team.

Oh. And one last thing for you la laker hos.

Celtics defense bitch!

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cosign the above.

The celtics are lucky to have played so sloppy basketball and still be up 3-2.... I dont even know what to say about Ray Allen...
 
Offense wasn't the problem for LA in the third quarter. It was defense. Kobe's touches were in the flow of the offense.

But they let the Celts hit 74% that quarter. Game DONE!!

eewwll said:
Im still shocked that cats dont see how being that ball dominant after a half-time break completely freezes your teammates out of the offense and will likely never recover..too long of a stretch without touches.... that is why it is key to be effective like that in the 4th...

He made big shots...im not knocking him for that..but he took entirely too many shots in that quarter... and it is obvious the Lakers can win games without him scoring a lot of points IF given the opportunity...

The lakers play best when they run the triple post... not when Kobe (whether missing or making) is being ball dominant like that..
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sean69 said:
celtics better figure out how to limit the turn overs.

Rondo needs to be more disciplined on the ball.

Ray allen needs to get his act together or sub that nucca early.

Pierce needs to have that killer instinct on tuesday. Heck, the whole team.

Oh. And one last thing for you la laker hos.

Celtics defense bitch!

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:yes::yes::yes::yes::yes:

KG in particular. He still hasn't shown up in a road game.

We're also gonna need Ray to find his 3 pt shot. If that happens and the team shows up like they showed up tonight....:itsawrap:
 
ewwll said:
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Let me ask you a question. Im serious man.

Do you think the Lakers are most effective when Kobe is taking 50-75 percent of the FGAs or when the Lakers are running the triple post effectively and everyone is getting touches.

It depends on how the game is going, at the start of the game running the triple post is the best option but when things start getting out of hand in a crucial game then the leader has to step up

Personally, I think the lakers are unbeatable and by far the best team in the league when they are running the triple post.

And that can even incorporate Kobe taking a lot of shots.

My problem is that he was so ball dominant that he was the only person even touching the ball at all....im not even talking about taking the shot....i mean literally, no other offensive player even TOUCHED the ball.

He can take the shot...but the ball needs to go into the post and be rotated to distribute the ball so the offense can flow fluidly.

Also, you have to understand how much of a negative effect that has on your big men when they dont get touches. Im not even talking about even shots...i mean just a touch on the offensive end....they need to be INVOLVED in the offensive production.

They were involved, i think Gasol and someone else attempted shots before Kobe went on the shooting spree and i think only 2 or 3 of those shots he took were when he was the only one that touched the ball
 
tdotlocs said:
Offense wasn't the problem for LA in the third quarter. It was defense. Kobe's touches were in the flow of the offense.

But they let the Celts hit 74% that quarter. Game DONE!!
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I still dont think yall are getting it so Im just going to leave it alone.

That was right after the half-time break. So you had players who hadnt touch the ball for a long stretch. Then you had one player taking 80 percent of the field goal attempts in one quarter.

What Im saying is that how do you expect other players to contribute in the fourth when they had not even touched the ball since the first half. They are cold and out of sync after that long ass stretch with no touches or field goal attempts.

No one player should be that ball dominant in the 3rd quarter.

Just subtract Kobe from the scenario...if that were derek fisher, I would be saying the same shit.... the triple post offense doesnt work with one player being ball dominant.... the laker squad is built specifically for that offense and it most effective running it..

They need to get back to it...seriously... Kobe shooting 21 three pointers in 2 games is not going to do it.

If Kobe has another game in double digits from 3, I wouldnt be surprised if it ends with another Loss for the Lakers....regardless of whether he makes a majority of them or not... it is a clear sign that LA is not being the MOST effective on the offensive end considering their personnel
 
pookie said:
Let me ask you a question. Im serious man.

Do you think the Lakers are most effective when Kobe is taking 50-75 percent of the FGAs or when the Lakers are running the triple post effectively and everyone is getting touches.

It depends on how the game is going, at the start of the game running the triple post is the best option but when things start getting out of hand in a crucial game then the leader has to step up

Personally, I think the lakers are unbeatable and by far the best team in the league when they are running the triple post.

And that can even incorporate Kobe taking a lot of shots.

My problem is that he was so ball dominant that he was the only person even touching the ball at all....im not even talking about taking the shot....i mean literally, no other offensive player even TOUCHED the ball.

He can take the shot...but the ball needs to go into the post and be rotated to distribute the ball so the offense can flow fluidly.

Also, you have to understand how much of a negative effect that has on your big men when they dont get touches. Im not even talking about even shots...i mean just a touch on the offensive end....they need to be INVOLVED in the offensive production.

They were involved, i think Gasol and someone else attempted shots before Kobe went on the shooting spree and i think only 2 or 3 of those shots he took were when he was the only one that touched the ball
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I think for LA to win game 6, they need to feed the post...put the pressure on the Celtic big man... get high percentage shots in the post and also force the refs to make the calls... both Gasol and Bynum are good free throw shooters..

They need to stick to the script.

Also, they need to limit the amount of 3 pointers. Kobe is shooting too many perimeter shots when he can get into the lane and not only get better shots for himself but create for teammates.

Artest shouldnt be shooting ANY three pointers :smh:
 
shaddyvillethug said:
yes

because 4 > 2
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Hahahahahhaah take whatever victories you can. So Tim Duncan is the greatest player of our generation.

Like Jordan he doesn't lose in the finals.

Two mvps

Three finals mvps

Four rings.

Oh and think bout this a Lakers team that is suppose to be stronger and better lose to the same older team two years later. Minus PJ brown cassell powe and posey.

While LA just spent money to lock on this core.
 
tdotlocs said:
Was the offense a problem when the Celts shot over 75%...?

Defense wins championships yet so many of you keep talking about Offense.
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The offense for LA is the issue. The Celtics have shot well but they only scored 92 points. That is not a high scoring game, even for Boston. However, the Lakers only scored 86. That is a very LOW scoring game for the Lakers.
 
eewwll said:
I still dont think yall are getting it so Im just going to leave it alone.

That was right after the half-time break. So you had players who hadnt touch the ball for a long stretch. Then you had one player taking 80 percent of the field goal attempts in one quarter.

What Im saying is that how do you expect other players to contribute in the fourth when they had not even touched the ball since the first half. They are cold and out of sync after that long ass stretch with no touches or field goal attempts.

No one player should be that ball dominant in the 3rd quarter.

Just subtract Kobe from the scenario...if that were derek fisher, I would be saying the same shit.... the triple post offense doesnt work with one player being ball dominant.... the laker squad is built specifically for that offense and it most effective running it..

They need to get back to it...seriously... Kobe shooting 21 three pointers in 2 games is not going to do it.

If Kobe has another game in double digits from 3, I wouldnt be surprised if it ends with another Loss for the Lakers....regardless of whether he makes a majority of them or not... it is a clear sign that LA is not being the MOST effective on the offensive end considering their personnel
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Yeah Kobe has to do a better job with the ball, with all those turnovers and chucking the ball with 2-3 secs on the shot clock. Only time I need to see Kobe chucking the ball like that is if nobody can't make anything or if it's a "last resort shot", not when he feels it's Kobe-time and it isn't.

Shit, if Kobe and Fish fed Drew and Pau the ball more often from the VERY BEGINNING in the first quarter and let them make their shots or their FTs, the Lakers wouldn't need to play so hard in the second half. Then people get frustrated when Kobe, Ron or Lamar can't make their shots or FTs.

Plus the Lakers need to hustle and get more rebounds. It's like they just stand around and watch Rondo, who is my size at 6'1, get more rebounds than a 6'10 or 7'1 player on the Lakers. It just makes you :smh:.
 
killa kadafi191 said:
Hahahahahhaah take whatever victories you can. So Tim Duncan is the greatest player of our generation.

Like Jordan he doesn't lose in the finals.

Two mvps

Three finals mvps

Four rings.

Oh and think bout this a Lakers team that is suppose to be stronger and better lose to the same older team two years later. Minus PJ brown cassell powe and posey.

While LA just spent money to lock on this core.
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CaliChampNo.1 said:
Yeah Kobe has to do a better job with the ball, with all those turnovers and chucking the ball with 2-3 secs on the shot clock. Only time I need to see Kobe chucking the ball like that is if nobody can't make anything or if it's a "last resort shot", not when he feels it's Kobe-time and it isn't.

Shit, if Kobe and Fish fed Drew and Pau the ball more often from the VERY BEGINNING in the first quarter and let them make their shots or their FTs, the Lakers wouldn't need to play so hard in the second half. Then people get frustrated when Kobe, Ron or Lamar can't make their shots or FTs.
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A Laker fan who gets what I am saying...that is all Im saying...It should be obvious.


im out..will chat you fellas for game 6
 
tdotlocs said:
Was the offense a problem when the Celts shot over 75%...?

Defense wins championships yet so many of you keep talking about Offense.
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True, but I just think Lakers need to make better decisions on getting rebounds and what plays to run, instead of someone dribbling forever, or passing the ball around for 10-15 secs and then passing it to Kobe who has to make a shot from almost at half-court. That shit makes me mad. :lol::angry:
 
tdotlocs said:
Offense wasn't the problem for LA in the third quarter. It was defense. Kobe's touches were in the flow of the offense.

But they let the Celts hit 74% that quarter. Game DONE!!
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Um, no, the game wasn't done....they were only down 8 heading into the 4th.

eeewl's point, which is a good one, is that although Kobe made his shots to keep the Lakers in it, because he completely took over the game and turned his teammates into spectators, they were out of rhythm in the 4th when Kobe needed him.
 
My problem with the game is not even on the offensive side. Sure LA sucked offensively, but defensively they didn't step up at all. That could have been the game really, a couple good stops. Also some calls didn't go LA's way that should've, but they weren't the home team. I expect LA to have a good amount of those borderline calls go their way.

I think offensively my biggest grips is that Ron Artest has lost confidence in his shot. He needs to take those threes in that first quarter. By taking himself out the game offensively he just as well should have shot the ball on those open looks.

He bails out the Celtics in more than one way like that. They only have to concern themselves with four offensive players if Ron passes up open looks, and Paul Pierce doesn't have to work as hard defensively.

I think LA is going to have to abandon the triangle for game 6 in the first half and try to get the ball to Gasol closer to the rim.

I think exactly the opposite of eewwell. Ron Artest HAS to take those open looks in the first quarter.

But still, la was within 6 when they shot around 30% to Bostons 60%. Defensively LA let Paul Pierce get all the looks he needed.
 
there was a thread b4 the season started when Boston got Rasheed where I said if KG stays healthy this is gonna be the season of Boston's Revenge...I'm not gonna lie there was a lot of times where i was ready to write them of but I should of listen to Rudy T "never underestimate the heart of a champion"
 
Thing that scares me is that Celtics played really good this game but still the lakers stayed right behind them the entire game and ALMOST took it from them @ the last 1:30 in the game.

We need another one of those Ray Allen performances -- but I don't want them to count on it and I also want KG to be better at come down with those rebounds instead of tipping that shit out in the open :smh: I was very satisfied with with Pierce and Rondo(beside that slight episode of bad decisions) tonight.

Basically too many turnovers, if they come out here to LA with that shit the lakers will make them pay.

I hope they know this, and I will be cheering from my remote bunker as I am one Green jersey surrounded by nothing but Purple and Gold fans out here.

See ya'll Tuesday FTW.


:lol::lol::lol::lol:
 
eewwll said:
I still dont think yall are getting it so Im just going to leave it alone.

That was right after the half-time break. So you had players who hadnt touch the ball for a long stretch. Then you had one player taking 80 percent of the field goal attempts in one quarter.

What Im saying is that how do you expect other players to contribute in the fourth when they had not even touched the ball since the first half. They are cold and out of sync after that long ass stretch with no touches or field goal attempts.

No one player should be that ball dominant in the 3rd quarter.

Just subtract Kobe from the scenario...if that were derek fisher, I would be saying the same shit.... the triple post offense doesnt work with one player being ball dominant.... the laker squad is built specifically for that offense and it most effective running it..

They need to get back to it...seriously... Kobe shooting 21 three pointers in 2 games is not going to do it.

If Kobe has another game in double digits from 3, I wouldnt be surprised if it ends with another Loss for the Lakers....regardless of whether he makes a majority of them or not... it is a clear sign that LA is not being the MOST effective on the offensive end considering their personnel
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Wrong. The Lakers were already far out of sync. If Kobe doesn't get hot, LA gets blown out.

This game is lost on the defensive end. They couldn't come up with key stops.

Boston did a great job protecting the paint. That would be the biggest offensive issue for LA. Not kobe keeping them cold like you assume.
 
tdotlocs said:
Was the offense a problem when the Celts shot over 75%...?

Defense wins championships yet so many of you keep talking about Offense.
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Actually, yes it is the problem. Despite all of that, the Celtics only scored 92. The lakers offensive efficiency in the game was horrible, which normally happens whens teams can't go inside or take low percentage jump shots.
 
SM0k3 said:
Thing that scares me is that Celtics played really good this game but still the lakers stayed right behind them the entire game and ALMOST took it from them @ the last 1:30 in the game.

We need another one of those Ray Allen performances -- but I don't want them to count on it and I also want KG to be better at come down with those rebounds instead of tipping that shit out in the open :smh: I was very satisfied with with Pierce and Rondo(beside that slight episode of bad decisions) tonight.

Basically too many turnovers, if they come out here to LA with that shit the lakers will make them pay.

I hope they know this, and I will be cheering from my remote bunker as I am one Green jersey surrounded by nothing but Purple and Gold fans out here.

See ya'll Tuesday FTW.


:lol::lol::lol::lol:
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LA has to stay confident, otherwise they'll lose game 6 easily.

They have to be confident that despite a terrible shooting first half by the team as a whole, and a terrible shooting second half by everyone but Kobe after the second half, a terrible defensive game throughout, they were within 6 I believe in the fourth quarter (or 8). Some missed free throws and blown (home) calls by the refs and they could have been as close as 3.

So if LA comes to play, on the DEFENSIVE end even more than the offensive end, they can come away with two straight.
 
Shady is going to live in 2009 for the next couple months. It's okay the future isn't for everyone. Like a turtle just go in your shell when reality is too much.

Sorry I don't feel like posting any pics of Tim Duncan celebrating with his four rings two mvps trophies or mvps finals.
 
xfactor said:
:lol: the stans are bringing the comedy (and excuses) tonight.
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What?

This is a fact man. If Kobe doesn't catch fire they aren't in the game in the fourth quarter. The boston defense was great, they suffocated the paint, rebounded well, and hit their open shots.


How is that an excuse man? I mean seriously. You guys always just attack the poster, and not the argument, then act like dicks.

It's funny to me, you see men having discussion about a topic, and you clowns stand on the outside pointing fingers and laughing like children. :confused:
 
i've learned not to fuck around and debate basketball with most ninjas on BGOL. peepin in this thread confirms the fact that a lot of you don't know shit about the game of basketball.

eewwll, fam-o! you are wasting your time. kats watch the game, but they don't see the game!
 
Even thought the Lakers lost, I'm interested to see how they respond to being down in a series. They haven't faced real advertisty since 2008 and I wanna see if winning a ring last year gives them the resolve to atleast push this to 7 if not win the whole thing.
 
eewwll said:
I still dont think yall are getting it so Im just going to leave it alone.

That was right after the half-time break. So you had players who hadnt touch the ball for a long stretch. Then you had one player taking 80 percent of the field goal attempts in one quarter.

What Im saying is that how do you expect other players to contribute in the fourth when they had not even touched the ball since the first half. They are cold and out of sync after that long ass stretch with no touches or field goal attempts.

No one player should be that ball dominant in the 3rd quarter.

Just subtract Kobe from the scenario...if that were derek fisher, I would be saying the same shit.... the triple post offense doesnt work with one player being ball dominant.... the laker squad is built specifically for that offense and it most effective running it..

They need to get back to it...seriously... Kobe shooting 21 three pointers in 2 games is not going to do it.

If Kobe has another game in double digits from 3, I wouldnt be surprised if it ends with another Loss for the Lakers....regardless of whether he makes a majority of them or not... it is a clear sign that LA is not being the MOST effective on the offensive end considering their personnel
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I agree with this eeww but on the flip side them ninjas wasn't helping him out one bit in making shots... I believe Kobe has to be back how he played game 1 driving to the basket creating plays and dishing the rock. He does that Lakers going to game 7
 
Nobody said:
So if LA comes to play, on the DEFENSIVE end even more than the offensive end, they can come away with two straight.
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But what you don't seem to realize (a point that me and eewwll have already made) players aren't going to bust their ass on the defensive end of the floor if they know they are being let down time after time due to poor offensive efficiency.

Have you ever played the game before?:confused:

If guys are consistently frozen out on the offensive end of the floor, due to lack of ball movement, do you really think they'll continue to give full effort on the other end of the floor?
 

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