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*********Official Lakers vs. Celtics NBA Finals Thread********
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You know what that means to me? You need players on your team with a better mental makeup. These are the pros, not rec center guys.But what you don't seem to realize (a point that me and eewwll have already made) players aren't going to bust their ass on the defensive end of the floor if they know they are being let down time after time due to poor offensive efficiency.
Have you ever played the game before?
If guys are consistently frozen out on the offensive end of the floor, due to lack of ball movement, do you really think they'll continue to give full effort on the other end of the floor?
I won't even bother with your "played the game before" nonsense, because I don't think you played professional basketball before, so even if I never even touched a basketball before, our experience as pro NBAers is the same.
Guys on that team weren't looking for an offensive rhythm from jump. Ron Artest passed up at least three open threes in the first quarter alone. Now, if Kobe takes those shots and they're poor shots, I'm with you - but if he's hitting them, you ride the hot hand - especially if your guys aren't getting it done. I'd much rather see LA do well as a team than Kobe score 19 alone.
I've never seen it where someone could be as hot as he was and still derided for it.
Like I have kept saying though, LA's issue is on the DEFENSIVE END.
Have you played the game before to realize the biggest issue was on DEFENSE?
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That's what i was saying. You can't really argue with these cats on here because they are really Kobe haters disguised as "i'm just talking about basketball" guys. They are really only watching one person so anything that doesn't involve him they turn a blind eye to it.
his supporting cast was nonexistent! they can't sit by with their thumbs up their ass waiting for Kobe to turn it up, Kobe showed up in the 3rd and everyone with a brain was in here like
because we knew he would be burnt out when they needed him to REALLY get all the way turned up in the 4th.Phil Jackson needs to lay in to every last one of those pussies. they looked like a JV jr highschool team out there, one guy with 38 and the best the next high scorer could do was like 10?
and rondo... rondo ... fucking rondo
dude always manages to save himself from looking like a complete fuck up, but if that dude doesn't learn to control the ball and stop bumming it they don't even guard dude at the top of the key or anywhere else outside for that matter, son has NO shot. you see the difference in D when nate robinson comes in, they press that boy. nate is too fast and if they gave him the space they give rondo he'd be raining MONEY from outside all day
Kobe Bryant did his thing tonight. If Kobe doesnt do what he did tonight this is a blowout game.
The Lakers have got to play better D. No let me rephrase that, the Lakers need to play some defense.
Ron Artest and Lamar Odom have to find and use the balls that God gave them because these 2 guys arent doing anything.
The celtics offense was out of this world tonight.
tuesday will be different. celtic fans enjoy because its a wrap for yall
The Lakers have got to play better D. No let me rephrase that, the Lakers need to play some defense.
Ron Artest and Lamar Odom have to find and use the balls that God gave them because these 2 guys arent doing anything.
The celtics offense was out of this world tonight.
tuesday will be different. celtic fans enjoy because its a wrap for yall
Boston has been underachieving in this series, imo. They make entirely too many mistakes to be a veteran team. They should also be stronger in closing out games. They're going to have to do a better job of that in game six.
As far far as the Lakers are concerned, i'm just not impressed with their roster outside of a couple of players. Boston could've closed this out in five. The only way they lose this series is if they choke.
Ron Artest needs to do 3 things;
1. When you take it to the rim go up hard. you can't shoot free throws bruh, you know it and so does the rest of the world
2. STOP shooting so many 3's. on an open look? sure, fuck it... why not go for it?! but the rest of em
son you are no reggie miller3. just STOP being such a toned down pussified version of yourself. I KNOW you can ball son, I still give you props for being the only NBA cat from NY that enters damn near every summer tournament out here... play like it
Celtics NBA Finals Thread********
don the cape and look for the silver lining.
tobe did what he did and got an L.
but of course, it's everyone else's fault. because doing "his thing" can't hurt a team.
when the celtics fans left TD, he should've read the back of their t-shirts: "we not me"
don the cape and look for the silver lining.
tobe did what he did and got an L.
but of course, it's everyone else's fault. because doing "his thing" can't hurt a team.
when the celtics fans left TD, he should've read the back of their t-shirts: "we not me"
Bingo. LA fans are delusional sometimes.
How can you be OUT OF SYNC two minutes into the 3rd quarter..that is not even time to get into a rythym. How do you know what other players will do on the offensive end of they arent even touching the ball.
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he's damned if does and damned if he doesn't
after the first half his team looked like shit really and everyone was crying "Kobe didn't show up" then he showed up in the second half and now he "did to much" and "didn't seem to trust his teammates" well why the hell should he trust them? they were bumming it HARD
I'll say this with caution because they seem to have you painted as the resident Kobe hater here...
he's damned if does and damned if he doesn't
after the first half his team looked like shit really and everyone was crying "Kobe didn't show up" then he showed up in the second half and now he "did to much" and "didn't seem to trust his teammates" well why the hell should he trust them? they were bumming it HARD
If Kobe does this in game 6 and 7, the Lakers will win this series. The Lakers are easy pickins with Kobe is the only one shooting the rock. When the Lakers run the triple post and Kobe is scoring but ALSO creating for his teammates ...LA >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
How can you help out of you dont touch the ball on the offensive end
Yall still arent getting it. Have you noticed that I havent even being saying shots...i mean just simple touches. The ball is not being distributing at all. LA wont win with Kobe dominating the ball on the offensive end. Notice Im not even saying scoring a majority of the points or even taking a high percentage of the shots.... I mean completely dominating the ball..... it makes the game so much easier for Boston when they dont have to defend in the post...
thank you.
it's so obvious when the stans don capes.
forget being rational; they just MAKE UP a handful of excuses and pray something sticks.
didn't you know tobe carries a miniature crystal ball to consult, which allows him to know when the O isn't going to work, and when his teammates are going to be "off"?
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false dilemma.
nobody said "don't shoot".
we've heard the whiners trot out the bullshit about "this would've been a blowout if not for..."
really?
was it a blowout at the half?
no. the game was manageable.
but somebody panicked, threw discipline and team goals out the window, and started chucking.
i'm completely happy with that.
I'll say this with caution because they seem to have you painted as the resident Kobe hater here...
he's damned if does and damned if he doesn't
false dilemma.
nobody said "don't shoot".
we've heard the whiners trot out the bullshit about "this would've been a blowout if not for..."
really?
was it a blowout at the half?
no. the game was manageable.
but somebody panicked, threw discipline and team goals out the window, and started chucking.
i'm completely happy with that.
Yea, I saw that... so much better than Magic and Kevin Wilbon.
This was a great game. I give credit to the Celtics defense and Kobe's offense... he kept them in the game and close within 5 points until Artest missed the layup and the free throws.
But what you don't seem to realize (a point that me and eewwll have already made) players aren't going to bust their ass on the defensive end of the floor if they know they are being let down time after time due to poor offensive efficiency.
Have you ever played the game before?
If guys are consistently frozen out on the offensive end of the floor, due to lack of ball movement, do you really think they'll continue to give full effort on the other end of the floor?
Even if you get a full effort on the defensive end..... it is not like Boston scored a lot of points. 92 points is NOT a high scoring nba game by any assessment.... and yes, it is common knowledge that big men lose enthusiasm when they bang on the boards on the defensive end and then dont get a TOUCH on the offensive end...
The problem is that LA has gotten away from what works best for them.... running the triple post and taking advantage of the size advantage with Bynum and Gasol and putting pressure on the frontline of Boston. Remember in game one how Gasol and Bynum got lots of touches and also both shot over 20 free throws.
Lakers are a much easier team to beat when Kobe (whether shooting well or not) is shooting a lot of perimeters shots and especially when he becomes a black hole...
Celtics NBA Finals Thread********
the most amusing part of the offense/defense question is that so-called fakers fans don't even comprehend how the triple post O properly sets up the fakers D.
but that's fakers fans for you.
if the shots are taken within the O, it leads to proper set-up for D.
but that's light years beyond fakers fans.
in the meantime, i'll continue rooting for tobe to continue taking more and more shots.
the most amusing part of the offense/defense question is that so-called fakers fans don't even comprehend how the triple post O properly sets up the fakers D.
but that's fakers fans for you.
if the shots are taken within the O, it leads to proper set-up for D.
but that's light years beyond fakers fans.
in the meantime, i'll continue rooting for tobe to continue taking more and more shots.
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Im completely baffled by this. How can they not see this.
It is so fucking simple..the entire playoffs and even in this series. The Lakers have looked their best when they have been disciplined and ran the triple-post.
The games have gotten away from them when they have gone away from the triple-post.
And yes... I dont care who it is... Farmar, Artest, Kobe.... when the Lakers resort to perimeter-only shooting (without any post touches or rotations) and get away from the triple post, the offense becomes a fucking mess and also the transition defense.
This shit is very simple. Run the triple post and win a title... get away from it and watch Boston raise another banner...
Im completely baffled by this. How can they not see this.
It is so fucking simple..the entire playoffs and even in this series. The Lakers have looked their best when they have been disciplined and ran the triple-post.
The games have gotten away from them when they have gone away from the triple-post.
And yes... I dont care who it is... Farmar, Artest, Kobe.... when the Lakers resort to perimeter-only shooting (without any post touches or rotations) and get away from the triple post, the offense becomes a fucking mess and also the transition defense.
This shit is very simple. Run the triple post and win a title... get away from it and watch Boston raise another banner...
Playing with Kobe is difficult. His trust in his team is very thin. He trust them as long as they are playing well. When they are not playing well then he feels the need to go Mamba. When he does this he still expects his teammates to play strong defense. It's obvious when he lose his trust in his team. He unknowingly shatters the confidence of his teammates.
I think this is no longer a game of just basketball. Throw away all stats because they are meaningless. This is now officially a game of character and mental toughness. If Kobe wants to win this series then Mamba should be caged.
I don't think it's going to be any different in LA. I can see the role players of LA coming out in the first half and having their way with Boston, but they will fade under pressure later in the game. Kobe will go off in the 3rd again and use all his energy to only become stagnate in the 4th. From then on in the 4th while Boston is still focusing on making stops, role players will try and make one last attempt to savage any confidence that may still remain in their million dollar souls. They will fail and the Mamba will make his final strikes to keep them close......will he finish?
Considering how LA won their two games (G1: dominance in the paint & G3: Off night shooting for Boston and D. Fisher will in the 4th)
I think this is no longer a game of just basketball. Throw away all stats because they are meaningless. This is now officially a game of character and mental toughness. If Kobe wants to win this series then Mamba should be caged.
I don't think it's going to be any different in LA. I can see the role players of LA coming out in the first half and having their way with Boston, but they will fade under pressure later in the game. Kobe will go off in the 3rd again and use all his energy to only become stagnate in the 4th. From then on in the 4th while Boston is still focusing on making stops, role players will try and make one last attempt to savage any confidence that may still remain in their million dollar souls. They will fail and the Mamba will make his final strikes to keep them close......will he finish?
Considering how LA won their two games (G1: dominance in the paint & G3: Off night shooting for Boston and D. Fisher will in the 4th)
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this is where i feel tobe gets an unfair shake.
i don't think he doesn't trust his teammates. i think he trusts them just fine. he just trusts himself more.
unfortunately for tobe, he's not playing singles tennis, ping pong or boxing.
tobe participates in a team sport, and his inability to read situations and have a feel for the ebb and flow of a game is crystal clear. he has zero basketball sense.
this is where i feel tobe gets an unfair shake.
i don't think he doesn't trust his teammates. i think he trusts them just fine. he just trusts himself more.
unfortunately for tobe, he's not playing singles tennis, ping pong or boxing.
tobe participates in a team sport, and his inability to read situations and have a feel for the ebb and flow of a game is crystal clear. he has zero basketball sense.
Considering how LA won their two games (G1: dominance in the paint & G3: Off night shooting for Boston and D. Fisher will in the 4th)
I mean....how obvious does it have to be........
But what you don't seem to realize (a point that me and eewwll have already made) players aren't going to bust their ass on the defensive end of the floor if they know they are being let down time after time due to poor offensive efficiency.
Have you ever played the game before?
If guys are consistently frozen out on the offensive end of the floor, due to lack of ball movement, do you really think they'll continue to give full effort on the other end of the floor?
C/S bruh! It's about trusting in your teammates, black mamba up to that old shit he use to do with Shaq, one of the main reasons they lost to Detroit in the Finals. Either you trust in your teammates or you don't. Jordan learned that by his first championship, he never lost in the Finals.
Considering how LA won their two games (G1: dominance in the paint & G3: Off night shooting for Boston and D. Fisher will in the 4th)
Boston won Game 2 by all-time Finals performances by Allen & Rondo and both Games 4 & 5 have gone down to the last couple minutes with Boston being at home.
Lakers will come to play in Game 6 and we'll be set for a Game 7 for the championship.
All the Lakers have to do is win on their home court and they will have Game 7 at home.
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They can't run the triple post anymore. It is shattered. Boston have sealed and stamped the triple post. They know everything about it. They are forcing LA's bigs out the paint and cutting off passing lanes (specifically the first one or two initial passes that will end the offense automatically). This resorts to pick and rolls which the keeps the ball in one person hand. This makes playing LA easier because they do not move well once the offense has been disrupted.
They can't run the triple post anymore. It is shattered. Boston have sealed and stamped the triple post. They know everything about it. They are forcing LA's bigs out the paint and cutting off passing lanes (specifically the first one or two initial passes that will end the offense automatically). This resorts to pick and rolls which the keeps the ball in one person hand. This makes playing LA easier because they do not move well once the offense has been disrupted.
Yep... the two keys in that series (im a pistons fan) were Kobe completely hijacking the offense when we couldnt do shit with Shaq in the post and Billups completely embarrassing GP...
true they all have been close but that how Boston wins. All LA have to do is show up as a team and play well the whole game on both ends of the court. I'm not sure that the Lakers can still dominate in the paint like they did in the first 2 games.
So it was all Kobe's fault they lost to Detroit? Its crazy how Shaq gets 100% of the credit for the three-peat but 0% of the blame for losing to Detroit. Shaq couldn't dominate against Ben Wallace.
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By now his trust in Artest in minimum. He has proven not to be reliable in the Finals.
By now his trust in Artest in minimum. He has proven not to be reliable in the Finals.
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