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[BrownTurd]

JR is a good team defender, and a great knock down shooter... The thing that makes JR so good is that you have to always keep a body on him or else he will kill you with the knock down shot.. This is what is opening up driving lanes for the Cavs, as far as the Hawks they are a one trick pony with no plan b.. If you have height and athleticism you will give them all types of problems, as is the case tonight vs N.O.. Asik is killing them and he is practically a clone to T-Mo... I called they will be exposed real soon, just like I called how the Wiz, Raptors and even the Bulls would also...

You can't call a team being exposed off of one game. Eventually every NBA team will lose. The Hawks are dominate and at some point you will have to respect them and give props.

They are 37-4 and two of those games were loss on a last 2nd shot or they would have been 39-2

After watching JR smith for year I simply can't trust him

 

[BrownTurd]

You dont really believe none of what you just typed

I was thinking the same thing

 

[RoadRage]

You dont really believe none of what you just typed

Yall keep talking Irving can't play defense, JR isn't all that, T-Mo is average and slow, LeBron is over rated, Love is a bum, yet all they do is stomp the shit out of everyone they played against, since they got their team in order..
Name one team that came close to beating this team ever since they got their lineup in order..
For the question, yes JR does give the Cavs good spacing, as for the Hawks, yes they are soft as baby shit, they were -20 in rebounds vs N.O. Do that against the Cavs and its lights out quick..

 

[curryshotta]

Yall keep talking Irving can't play defense, JR isn't all that, T-Mo is average and slow, LeBron is over rated, Love is a bum, yet all they do is stomp the shit out of everyone they played against, since they got their team in order..
Name one team that came close to beating this team ever since they got their lineup in order..
For the question, yes JR does give the Cavs good spacing, as for the Hawks, yes they are soft as baby shit, they were -20 in rebounds vs N.O. Do that against the Cavs and its lights out quick..

The Hawks have been doing most of the season whatthe Cavs are now beginning to do.

Calling them a one trick pony shows that you couldnt have watched most of their games....the Hawks are consistently running a smooth motion offense predicated on crisp ball movemnt.

Have the Cavs improved....by leaps and bounds but it is sheer insanity to call Atlanta soft for their play.

You go completely off the rails sometimes

 

[RoadRage]

You can't call a team being exposed off of one game. Eventually every NBA team will lose. The Hawks are dominate and at some point you will have to respect them and give props.

They are 37-4 and two of those games were loss on a last 2nd shot or they would have been 39-2
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After watching JR smith for year I simply can't trust him

The difference between you and me, is that I look for weaknesses and patterns, a team could be winning and not impress me, with you (just like Wiggins and Thompson last week, you'd think you learn by now), you look for the hot player or hot team and ride with them cause they are hot.
I was saying all along the the Hawks was soft and weak, and how their lack of big men was going to do them in.. And what happened N.O. beat their asses wire to wire, with no resistance due to them having no answers for their size..
Now everybody loses games, and that is part of the game, but when you lose wire to wire, with out any runs, then that usually points out that, that team has some match up problems..

 

[BrownTurd]

The Hawks have been doing most of the season whatthe Cavs are now beginning to do.

Calling them a one trick pony shows that you couldnt have watched most of their games....the Hawks are consistently running a smooth motion offense predicated on crisp ball movemnt.

Have the Cavs improved....by leaps and bounds but it is sheer insanity to call Atlanta soft for their play.

You go completely off the rails sometimes

Road Rage can say some wild things. He never likes to give other teams their due credit

 

[RoadRage]

I was thinking the same thing

Did you really believe the Blazers was going to beat the Cavs with LeBron also, like you said?

 

[curryshotta]

The difference between you and me, is that I look for weaknesses and patterns, a team could be winning and not impress me, with you (just like Wiggins and Thompson last week, you'd think you learn by now), you look for the hot player or hot team and ride with them cause they are hot.
I was saying all along the the Hawks was soft and weak, and how their lack of big men was going to do them in.. And what happened N.O. beat their asses wire to wire, with no resistance due to them having no answers for their size..
Now everybody loses games, and that is part of the game, but when you lose wire to wire, with out any runs, then that usually points out that, that team has some match up problems..

I'll bite

Would you pick NO to beat Atlanta in a 7 game series.....

cause I sure as hell wouldnt

 

[RoadRage]

Road Rage can say some wild things. He never likes to give other teams their due credit

Name one instance where you was right and I was wrong... Lets see what you can come up with ..

 

[RoadRage]

I'll bite

Would you pick NO to beat Atlanta in a 7 game series.....

cause I sure as hell wouldnt

Yes, because match ups >>>> coaching and style... They do not match up well vs a bigger athletic team, and the Hawks have not shown me anything to make be believe that can change up...
Also they been playing under the radar with very few games nationally televised and this is what happens when they finally get a big chance..
Look its easy to be a big fish in a small lake...

 

[BrownTurd]

The difference between you and me, is that I look for weaknesses and patterns, a team could be winning and not impress me, with you (just like Wiggins and Thompson last week, you'd think you learn by now), you look for the hot player or hot team and ride with them cause they are hot.
I was saying all along the the Hawks was soft and weak, and how their lack of big men was going to do them in.. And what happened N.O. beat their asses wire to wire, with no resistance due to them having no answers for their size..
Now everybody loses games, and that is part of the game, but when you lose wire to wire, with out any runs, then that usually points out that, that team has some match up problems..

Ok you look for patterns...but what negative patters are you seeing from a team that is 37-4 in their last 41 games

So you are now judging a team off one loss? The Heat, Spurs and Dallas have lost wire to wire on many occasions and still one a title. If that is what you use to analyze that is crazy

 

[curryshotta]

Yes, because match ups >>>> coaching and style... They do not match up well vs a bigger athletic team, and the Hawks have not shown me anything to make be believe that can change up...
Also they been playing under the radar with very few games nationally televised and this is what happens when they finally get a big chance..
Look its easy to be a big fish in a small lake...

sure strength of schedule could be a factor but you can say that about any win streak

And How is New Orleansa big athletic team....they have AD and Asik...

all that big athleticism isnt reflected in their record....if they were so imposing they should have something to show for it

This was one game that you are using to extrapolate a whole lot of stuff from

 

[BrownTurd]

Yes, because match ups >>>> coaching and style... They do not match up well vs a bigger athletic team, and the Hawks have not shown me anything to make be believe that can change up...
Also they been playing under the radar with very few games nationally televised and this is what happens when they finally get a big chance..
Look its easy to be a big fish in a small lake...

You keep ignoring they are 37-4 in the last 41 games and coming off a 19 game win streak and a 12 game before that.

So how exactly are they playing under the radar?

 

[RoadRage]

Ok you look for patterns...but what negative patters are you seeing from a team that is 37-4 in their last 41 games

So you are now judging a team off one loss? The Heat, Spurs and Dallas have lost wire to wire on many occasions and still one a title. If that is what you use to analyze that is crazy

Teams win and go on streaks all the time, a few years back the knicks went on a big winning streak and people was swearing up and down they were the truth. Look stop dreaming and ask yourself, do you see that small ass light weight team beating this Cavs team? The cavs could easily put LeBron at pf and he would beast them by himself.. Once you contest their jump shots, the Hawks don't have shit..

 

[RoadRage]

sure strength of schedule could be a factor but you can say that about any win streak

And How is New Orleansa big athletic team....they have AD and Asik...

all that big athleticism isnt reflected in their record....if they were so imposing they should have something to show for it

This was one game that you are using to extrapolate a whole lot of stuff from

They just match up well vs the Hawks, but may not have those same advantages vs other clubs.. Likewise the Hawks practically play with three guards and for clubs who don't that the personnel to keep up with them, Atlanta will have advantages on them.. Believe it or not there are not that many teams who are both athletic and big, so this also can explain their winning streak...

 

[BrownTurd]

Teams win and go on streaks all the time, a few years back the knicks went on a big winning streak and people was swearing up and down they were the truth. Look stop dreaming and ask yourself, do you see that small ass light weight team beating this Cavs team? The cavs could easily put LeBron at pf and he would beast them by himself.. Once you contest their jump shots, the Hawks don't have shit..

So now the Cavs are the team to beat?

 

[Mask]

I'm say there's nothing like a Lebron James thread...


You get some of everything typed...

 

[RoadRage]

So now the Cavs are the team to beat?

They are the team with the least amount of weaknesses right now... Them Memphis and the Spurs... You can beat those teams, even the Cavs but you are not going to beat them because of a weakness or some big flaw...
You want to know how flaws work... Ok remember last two weeks ago and I said how the Bulls could beat the Hawks in the playoffs and how everyone thought that shit was crazy... What did they do after that? Beat another smaller hot jumps shooting team G.S. and they did it exactly the same way I said they would beat Atlanta...
I am not psychic I just knew GS weakness is towards larger teams due to the match up, and sure nuff thats how they lost..

 

[gene cisco]

So now the Cavs are the team to beat?

They might be the team to beat in the spring. Seven game series are different animals. Don't let Kevin Love finally get his mind/body connection back with his shot. Shit will be ugly. He is tight mentally right now.

 

[BrownTurd]

They are the team with the least amount of weaknesses right now... Them Memphis and the Spurs... You can beat those teams, even the Cavs but you are not going to beat them because of a weakness or some big flaw...
You want to know how flaws work... Ok remember last two weeks ago and I said how the Bulls could beat the Hawks in the playoffs and how everyone thought that shit was crazy... What did they do after that? Beat another smaller hot jumps shooting team G.S. and they did it exactly the same way I said they would beat Atlanta...
I am not psychic I just knew GS weakness is towards larger teams due to the match up, and sure nuff thats how they lost..

All of your so called analysis are skewed towards your bias. Are you able to see what you are doing?

 

[BrownTurd]

They might be the team to beat in the spring. Seven game series are different animals. Don't let Kevin Love finally get his mind/body connection back with his shot. Shit will be ugly. He is tight mentally right now.

Love is done. He plays no defense and will be a non factor because any good team with a decent 4 will go at him all night forcing Blatt to sit him again

 

[Mask]

We'll see what up Thursady when the Clippers come to town...that should be a good one

 

[gene cisco]

Love is done. He plays no defense and will be a non factor because any good team with a decent 4 will go at him all night forcing Blatt to sit him again

Everyone knew about the defense before this. He wasn't brought here for that. It was for rebounding and to spread the floor. He has held the rebounding part up.

Also, they have a rim protector now and wings who can keep people out the lane. All love has to do know is get his mind right and start hitting shots.

 

[Mask]

As of today I don't know who's the 2nd best team in the East?

1. Hawks
2. Bulls???
Raptors???
Cavs???
Wiz???

 

[Mask]

Michael Scotto @MikeAScotto about 8 minutes ago
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[curryshotta]

Teams win and go on streaks all the time, a few years back the knicks went on a big winning streak and people was swearing up and down they were the truth. Look stop dreaming and ask yourself, do you see that small ass light weight team beating this Cavs team? The cavs could easily put LeBron at pf and he would beast them by himself.. Once you contest their jump shots, the Hawks don't have shit..

You have no practical reason to say that the Hawks are a worse team than the Cavs right now

The Hawks play has spoken for itself...

Now am I sold on them winning the title.....I dont know because we have a whole bunch of ball to play in the second half of the season and the playoffs

But to act like the Cavs have suddenly leapfrogged them is disrespectful.....it is a process..

And whats more if it doesnt work out the way you think you will throw those same Cavs players under the bus

 

[curryshotta]

The way the Cavs have started defending pick and rolls has been really impressive....

Their passing has become better but they are still a bit iso heavy at times for my taste..

But I cant lie they are starting to build the foundations of something there...that even if they get knocked out this year there is a lot to work with next season..

I simply cant call them better than the Hawks yet because they havent done anything to merit that.....

And the notion that the Pelicans exposed the Hawks is absurd....The Pacers stayed big on them last year..this is true...but the Hawks are better than last year and would probably run that Pacers team out the gym this year

 

[RoadRage]

If you watch college football, there is always a undefeated team that plays in a weak conference that everyone thinks is going to be good regardless of their weaknesses.. Yet every year they wind up losing in the big games by teams who match up well against them..
In reality sports is all about match ups and weaknesses.. If you were to ask me what are the weaknesses of finesses, jump shooting teams like the Hawks and the Warriors, with out a doubt it would be size, athleticism and their inability to control the boards, so do you think its a coincidence that the teams that broke their streaks were larger teams who had the ability to crash the boards..
Also consider this, when Alpha teams go on winning streaks you usually have to beat the crap out of them, just look at how the Bulls broke the Heat streak a few years back, they played their top game in a fiery stadium and played rough and tough like a playoff game. Yet the Heat battled back an almost won even when they lost you got the sense that they were still better than the Bullls, and that loss was due to them being tired and the Bulls playing better that day, no one could blame it on match up problems..
Compare that to Golden St and now the Hawks losing, where the Bulls didn't play extraordinary matter of fact you can argue that they played poorly vs GS and last night N.O. didn't do nothing remarkable regular numbers and regular stat lines, the one thing both games had in common was that the three point shot was contested well and both G.S. and the Hawks got killed on the boards..
If you look at those cases plus the history of smaller finesse teams having problems with teams who can play half court and control the boards, then you would see why these types of teams always have problems in the playoffs..

 

[RoadRage]

Also everything you guys are basing the Cavs on is based on before they got their team together, Let me warn you guys, this team is nothing like that other team... Bo back in the thread and you will see how people who follow the team immediately picked it up, way before the current streak..
You can go back in this thread and you will see that when the Cavs had an earlier streak, no one was convinced. So this proves that this is no where the same team that was up and down earlier, all you have to do is check out the defensive numbers they are putting up, right now they are playing some of the best defense in the NBA..

 

[gene cisco]

Also everything you guys are basing the Cavs on is based on before they got their team together, Let me warn you guys, this team is nothing like that other team... Bo back in the thread and you will see how people who follow the team immediately picked it up, way before the current streak..
You can go back in this thread and you will see that when the Cavs had an earlier streak, no one was convinced. So this proves that this is no where the same team that was up and down earlier, all you have to do is check out the defensive numbers they are putting up, right now they are playing some of the best defense in the NBA..

I remember when they made those trades and lost. We spoke on how different the team looked -- even when they lost. I remember we both said something about how T-Mo changed the look of the Cavs. We knew having athletic wings would help keep folks out the middle.

The old Cavs ALWAYS had penetration. The lane was like people running into stores on Black Friday. Combined with the Cavs pathetic interior D, it was a horror show.

This is a different team. They added 2 fucking starters and a 6th man(call shump or smith that). So out of their top 6 players, 3 are new. That's a huge fucking change to an NBA team.

Also, there is no more Andy running around like a wild man. He just added more confusion to the offense. Also seemed to have Lebron in old Cavs offense mode with that Andy/Bron 2 man game instead of adapting to new teammates.

Furthermore, Lebron seems more into it and Kyrie seems to be fitting in better. Sure, they still tend to dribble too much, but shit isn't nearly as bad as it was. Even when assists are down, there is more ball movement than before.

Only thing still in the shitter is Love's shooting. Otherwise, he is hitting the boards like he is supposed to. On defense, he is who we expected.

Let's play Brown Turd for a minute. IF this team started out as constructed AND Lebron didn't miss those games, what is this team's record????? Probably have 10 losses tops. Good as any in the NBA.

 

[RoadRage]

I remember when they made those trades and lost. We spoke on how different the team looked -- even when they lost. I remember we both said something about how T-Mo changed the look of the Cavs. We knew having athletic wings would help keep folks out the middle.

The old Cavs ALWAYS had penetration. The lane was like people running into stores on Black Friday. Combined with the Cavs pathetic interior D, it was a horror show.

This is a different team. They added 2 fucking starters and a 6th man(call shump or smith that). So out of their top 6 players, 3 are new. That's a huge fucking change to an NBA team.

Also, there is no more Andy running around like a wild man. He just added more confusion to the offense. Also seemed to have Lebron in old Cavs offense mode with that Andy/Bron 2 man game instead of adapting to new teammates.

Furthermore, Lebron seems more into it and Kyrie seems to be fitting in better. Sure, they still tend to dribble too much, but shit isn't nearly as bad as it was. Even when assists are down, there is more ball movement than before.

Only thing still in the shitter is Love's shooting. Otherwise, he is hitting the boards like he is supposed to. On defense, he is who we expected.

Let's play Brown Turd for a minute. IF this team started out as constructed AND Lebron didn't miss those games, what is this team's record????? Probably have 10 losses tops. Good as any in the NBA.

Exactly!!! But isn't it funny people can't come up with one real weakness this team has, based on the play of the new lineup.. They will say shit like T-Mo can't hang with the speed of the Hawks yet Asik (his clone) was able to put a hurting to them, and T-Mo himself manged to score 14 pts off 5 of 6 shooting while grabbing 11 rebounds and 2 blocks in his only game vs them. Those are the same exact numbers he is putting up now...

 

[gene cisco]

Exactly!!! But isn't it funny people can't come up with one real weakness this team has, based on the play of the new lineup.. They will say shit like T-Mo can't hang with the speed of the Hawks yet Asik (his clone) was able to put a hurting to them, and T-Mo himself manged to score 14 pts off 5 of 6 shooting while grabbing 11 rebounds and 2 blocks in his only game vs them. Those are the same exact numbers he is putting up now...

T-Mo will be fine.

Living and dying with jumpers is a dangerous game with the Cavs. Love will fuck around and have 7 boards in the first quarter. Cavs are now a team that can take a hot streak and beat you up.

If they beat the Clippers again, let's see if people still talking that shit.

 

[curryshotta]

You are both missing the point.

Nobody is saying that the cavs have not improved....

However it is disrespectful to say that the Cavs have leapfrogged Atlanta when in reality the Cavs have only now begun to do what Atlanta has been doing for awhile.

And you are on bad fucking drugs if you think the Pelicans could take atlanta in a 7 game series...

GTFOH...losses happen. Extrapolating the world from one game is extremely foolish.

You would think the Pelicans were the only big athletic team(his words not mine because I find that theory a joke) Atlanta has played this season.

The only thing that I would go as far as to say is that the gap between Atlanta and Cleveland is closing.

 

[gene cisco]

You are both missing the point.

Nobody is saying that the cavs have not improved....

However it is disrespectful to say that the Cavs have leapfrogged Atlanta when in reality the Cavs have only now begun to do what Atlanta has been doing for awhile.

And you are on bad fucking drugs if you think the Pelicans could take atlanta in a 7 game series...

GTFOH...losses happen. Extrapolating the world from one game is extremely foolish.

You would think the Pelicans were the only big athletic team(his words not mine because I find that theory a joke) Atlanta has played this season.

The only thing that I would go as far as to say is that the gap between Atlanta and Cleveland is closing.

It's not disrespectful. I'm not taking anything away from Atlanta. Cavs have just really improved and it's not a slight to wonder if the current Cavs are better than Atlanta. The Cavs play defense now. They hit the boards. And they have enough offensive firepower to give any team nightmares.

The Hawks have beat quality teams during their wins streak, but so have the Cavs. I just think the Cavs are built better for a 7 game series.

 

[Mask]

Joe Gabriele @CavsJoeG
18 minutes ago
Numbers and pretty pictures from the Cavs' 11-game win streak:



Cavs Goin' Streaking ... By the Numbers
February 3, 2015

"...straight victories for the Wine and Gold – longest current streak in the NBA and two from tying the franchise-high, accomplished in early 2010."

"...games during the 11-game streak that the Cavs have drilled at least 10 three-pointers, including each of the last four."

"...J.R. Smith’s scoring average, number of games he’s notched double figures and number of games he’s canned at least two three-pointers, respectively, during the streak."

"…. points, rebounds and assists that LeBron James has averaged during the streak."

"… points Kyrie Irving scored in a 99-94 win over the Blazers at The Q, breaking Allen Iverson’s Quicken Loans Arena mark and setting the new record for points by a Cavalier at The Q."

"… double-doubles that Kevin Love has posted during the win streak."

"... Cavs' record against the Western Conference during the streak."

"… Iman Shumpert’s field goal and three-point percentage since entering the lineup on January 23."

"… margin of victory over the Hornets at The Q on January 23, the largest in the arena’s history. Cleveland also set the mark for most points in regulation, 129, in Quicken Loans Arena history, tallied 75 points by halftime and had all 13 players that saw the floor covert at least one field goal."

"… Kyrie Irving’s shooting percentage, three-point percentage and free throw percentage during the streak."

"… rebounds Kevin Love has averaged during the streak and over the past four games, respectively."

"… teams that have topped the century mark against Cleveland over the 11-game win streak – 0 counting the last nine games."

"… starters in a wire-to-wire MLK Day win over Chicago that scored at least 15 points – a feat that hadn’t been accomplished by a Cavalier team in 22 years. In the very next game two days later, all five starters did it again."

"… rebounds per game for Tristan Thompson , now the NBA’s leading reserve rebounder off the bench – averaging 7.6 boards, 3.5 offensive boards and tallying 289 total boards as a sub."

"… opponents points and field goal percentage during the win streak."

"… points, rebounds and blocked shots Timofey Mozgov is averaging during the 11-game run, shooting .547 from the floor and tallying at least one block in every game but one and averaging 3.0 swats per contest over the last three."

"… days in between the end of the Cavaliers’ previous double-digit win streak and the start of the current one."

"… average points that the Cavaliers are beating opponents during the streak."

"… players named Eastern Conference Player of the Week over the course of the last 11 games."

"… Cavs record and points they’re outscoring opponents by at Quicken Loans Arena over the course of the streak."